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PayPal to support Ethereum and Bitcoin
- imcritic 1y agoPayPal locks people out of their money. Screw them, never using this shit again.
- Kelteseth 1y agoIs this a legit PayPal domain?Sounds like a fake domain.
- merolish 1y agoYes, the newsroom is linked to at the bottom of paypal.com.
- clickety_clack 1y agoSomeone mentioned this kind of thing in the npm breeches last week. You get desensitized to non-standard “official” urls and it makes it easier for phishers.
- kragen 1y agoAha, thanks!
- SirFatty 1y agoI assume this is a trolling effort on your part?
- vorticalbox 1y agohttps://who.is/whois/paypal-corp.com https://who.is/whois/paypal-corp.com
- RandomBacon 1y agoAnyone can put anything in their WHOIS. I could create an account, buy a domain name with a gift card, and put your username in the WHOIS.
- coretx 1y agoAnd supply real credentials & host bestiality and CP on it.
- esafak 1y agohttps://www.paypal.com/us/digital-wallet/manage-money/crypto https://www.paypal.com/us/digital-wallet/manage-money/crypto
- dwringer 1y agoBitcoin trading on PayPal has been available for the past five years.
- Macha 1y agoOnce upon a time, their corporate and developer sites were x.com even, before they moved to a more professional domain and later sold that one back to Elon.
- baobabKoodaa 1y agoPayPal, teaching users to become phishing victims since 2019 https://www.attejuvonen.fi/paypal-sends-phishing-emails/ https://www.attejuvonen.fi/paypal-sends-phishing-emails/
- CalRobert 1y agoI thought the whole point of a decentralised ledger was not needing companies like PayPal…
- ecb_penguin 1y agoThat is the point! You don't need companies like Paypal... Companies often offer services that are "not needed" because people like convenience, ease of use, etc. You don't need Paypal to use Bitcoin, but there's nothing in the spec that prohibits it.
- Night_Thastus 1y agoI think their point is that in the end, most people want convenience. That convenience requires centralization, which eliminates a lot of the supposed benefits that something like cryptocurrencies were promoted with. We've already seen it play out very poorly several times in crypto already.
- pants2 1y agoThis adds convenience because I can instantly send ETH from Robinhood to PayPal to Coinbase to my Ledger, without dealing with banking rails or creating a taxable event.
- kragen 1y agoI don't think convenience requires centralization. Centralization makes some things easier and other things impossible, and things in both of those categories can be useful for convenience. BitTorrent, the WWW, and VisiCalc on the Apple ][ are three examples of distributed or decentralized systems that were much more convenient to use than their centralized predecessors.
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- 1970-01-01 1y agoThis point is conveniently missing. There's simply more money to be made! Now get out of here with your nonsense ideas of decentralizing money. It's bad for business.
- raincole 1y agoCool. Wake me up when Paypal isn't trying to police what kind of porn people can watch online.
- dewey 1y agoThey are probably not the one that care, it's most likely Visa / MasterCard that have an issue with that.
- raincole 1y agoNope. If there is someone more eager to police content than Visa, it's Paypal. There are sites that still support Visa / Mastercard but removed their Paypal support. SubscribeStar, for example.
- sneak 1y agoYou can be sure that the “anyone, anywhere” claimed is a lie.
- egorfine 1y agoOh absolutely. They even explain it right in the press-release: "users in the U.S. can [...] with international expansion [...] starting later this month". Of course it will be as far from "anyone" or "anywhere" as possible, because they will start the crypto expansion in a much more restrictive fashion than TradFi.
- dzonga 1y agoone thing with these stablecoins is they're pushing to buying of 'us-debt'. congrats if you buy a stablecoin - you've effectively financed the US gvt at 0%. now the US gvt can inflate away that debt at 0 cost to them, and pass on the cost to you. that's why a bunch of these stablecoin companies are pushing it as a way to save for people in distressed economies. what a way to steal from the poor. that's why the crypto act was called GENIUS act.
- mothballed 1y agoUS govt is financed at whatever rate the stable-coin issuer finances at, which is likely a mixture of T-bills, fed overnight interest rates (via bank accounts), and other assets.
- attila-lendvai 1y agodidn't you just explain the USD game? (fleecing the poor worldwide through inflation...) stablecoins don't change much in this.
- bilbo0s 1y ago...fleecing the poor worldwide...stablecoins don't change much in this Just Devil's Advocate, but isn't that a reason not to use stablecoins? I mean, I can participate in the fleecing of the poor without changing anything at all apparently.
- smoyer 1y agoIs this using x402 under the covers?
- HardwareLust 1y agoExcellent question.
- Tarball10 1y agoHolding money (or crypto) in PayPal is a terrible idea. They are not a bank, they do not abide by banking regulations. They can lock you out of your account and your money at any time and leave you going in circles with their offshore support. Yes, they are somewhat of a necessary evil if you do any online peer-to-peer buying/selling, since they are the only money transfer service that provides some level of "buyer protection", but you want to do the bare minimum with PayPal to avoid unnecessary risk. Link one bank account (not your primary) to PayPal to receive money, and transfer received money immediately. Link one credit card for purchases. Nothing else. Do not link debit cards, do not sign up for their "balance account" where money is held in PayPal (no matter how hard they push it with UI dark patterns in their app), do not sign up for their crypto account.
- BinaryIgor 1y agoJust treat it as your checking account; for anything substantial, move it to the self-custody
- seydor 1y agoIn europe, Paypal Sarl is a bank subject to bank regulations
- Tarball10 1y agoGood point. I should have clarified that I'm referring specifically to PayPal in the US, which themselves state that "PayPal is not a bank, does not take deposits and is not FDIC insured". https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/paypal/program-banks-tnc https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/paypal/program-banks-tnc
- layer8 1y agoIt isn’t subject to the EU statutory deposit insurance, however. Edit: The above means that deposits on your PayPal account aren’t insured, different from regular bank accounts in the EU. This is a frequently emphasized caveat regarding the use of PayPal as a bank account in the EU.
- dotancohen 1y agoWhat is this paypal-corp.com website? I immediately suspected phishing when I saw that. Doubly so when the feature being discussed is crypto related.
- fweimer 1y agoAdd the end of https://www.paypal.com/us/home https://www.paypal.com/us/home there is a Hewsroom link to https://newsroom.paypal-corp.com/ https://newsroom.paypal-corp.com/ . They use https://about.pypl.com/about-us/default.aspx https://about.pypl.com/about-us/default.aspx as well. At one point, employee email accounts used paypal-inc.com. It might not even be a SEO thing, it could just reflect their corporate structure and the different IT teams. I agree that it is confusing.
- pbhjpbhj 1y agoIt's a little annoying, but as long as the main domain has a paste that links to the dodgy-looking domain then it's bearable. Ideally, companies would have a page "all the domains we use" as part of their footer links. So many companies that should know better are helping to enable phishing by using random domains.
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- reconnecting 1y agoFraudulent by design. (also thought that it's phishing or scam domain).
- tootie 1y agoWhen Bitcoin first hit public consciousness the knock from economists was that it had a built-in deflationary spiral and that seems to be true. The price keeps going up and up with a few noted bumps. Rising value is great for speculators but it's a death knell for an actual spending currency. You'd be nuts to spend it if you expect it to appreciate. That's why central banks aim for low but positive inflation.
- hippich 1y agoI think the difference here is that Bitcoin is predictable deflationary vs fiat being unpredictable. If you can know in advance the rate, it becomes sorta like an investment vehicle, where instead of dividends you get appreciation of the assets. To look at it another way - why one would spend $100 from their brokerage account if they know a year later they can spend $110?
- tootie 1y agoBitcoin is not remotely predictable. The value has swung wildly over the past 5 years. Dropping more than 50% then gaining 200%. By comparison, USD has been rock solid even with the recent run of inflation. An actually circulating currency causes a panic at an 8% drop in value and yet there was zero macroeconomic impact from BTC dropping 50%. BTC is less stable than Turkish Lira.
- majkinetor 1y agoThe same can be said for stocks, and they are considered a good investment if you are in the knows. As an example, Tesla lost a third of its value this year.
- tootie 1y agoStocks convey equity, pay dividends, must do quarterly disclosures, must disclose insider trading activity and, most importantly, are never used for payments. The topic is payments, not investments.
- lagniappe 1y agoAs they say not your keys not your money
- johnwheeler 1y agoI don’t understand all the immediate negativity surrounding this. Can someone in the know explain what the ramifications are?
- baobabKoodaa 1y agoPeople who hate crypto will hate anything that has anything to do with crypto. People who love crypto will hate anything that has anything to do with legacy censorship-prone fraudulent financial institutions like PayPal. Who is this for?
- dudefeliciano 1y agothe people that neither hate nor love crypto?
- majkinetor 1y agoThe people who embrace both! I love having options.
- yieldcrv 1y agoPeople that like convenience and pretending that they love crypto. Which is much larger than these partisan takes.
- iammrpayments 1y agoI hate paypal, because they froze my money for 6 months and destroyed my mental health for weeks. Compared to other people my situation was not even bad.
- lucb1e 1y agoWhat's not to understand? If you have a specific question about the 'immediate negativity', perhaps comment on one of the puzzling comments to ask for clarification For a general background, searching for 'paypal' reveals a thing or two: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=paypal https://hn.algolia.com/?q=paypal > - Thinking of Selling on eBay using Paypal? Think Again > - “We found PayPal vulnerabilities and PayPal punished us for it” > - We got banned from PayPal after 12 years of business > - PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub > - More Paypal nonsense That's five of the top eight results. The last one pretty much sums up the sentiment of the whole page
- olivia-banks 1y agoOne of the reasons I don't think crypto can succeed is because people will only use it if it's convenient, which very likely means corporate involvement, which of course ultimately defeats the whole argument of being decentralized.
- cturner 1y agoWithout convenience it will not be successful as a common currency. It does not need convenience to succeed in other ways. For example, as a store of value.
- olivia-banks 1y agoSorry, I should have been more specific. "Succeed as a common currency" is more-so what I meant, I think the store of value argument stands.
- Pxtl 1y agoLiterally any scarce and durable good can be a store of value. A pound of Osmium is about a million bucks. So building massive server farms to store something equivalent to an inert rock is kind of uninteresting.
- DennisP 1y agoCorporate involvement isn't that bad as long as the user can exit to fully decentralized operation in case of abuse.
- olivia-banks 1y agoThis is true!
- baobabKoodaa 1y agoWhat a weird timeline we live in. Absolutely bonkers.
- linhns 1y agoCash is king for me.
- righthand 1y agoYes, I switched my bank account to a Cash Management account (Fidelity) and get ATM fees and international fees reimbursed, this has renewed my cash usage and eliminated my card usage. I love it!
- majkinetor 1y agoI can't tell if you are joking, but cache is probably the worst type of asset one can have.
- yownie 1y agohow did you manage to still misspell it when directly replying to the comment?
- 1970-01-01 1y agoWake me when eBay accepts BTC in exchange for silver dollars or even collector coins. They're still afraid to do the very hard thing and challenge the status quo on an even playing field.
- adamors 1y agoI’ve happily avoided Paypal in the last .. 6 years or so. Ever since Revolut came up with disposable cards I’m much less hesitant to give my card details to someone, also PP never stopped being shady and user-hostile in the meantime. So I’ll continue to avoid them in the next 6 years as well.
- kundi 1y agoI find it hard to trust and believe any corporation incapable of rendering a responsive website on mobile
- ionwake 1y agoI’m so confused I remember this headline from like 8 years ago
- crimsoneer 1y agoSo hold on, does this mean I can pay with crypto anywhere that accepts Paypal? Because if so that's kind of a big deal, but not at all clear to me if that is the case...
- egorfine 1y agoGreat. I can't wait to attach recent utility bills with every stablecoin transaction.
- egorfine 1y agoTitle: PayPal [..] Reimagining How Money Moves to Anyone, Anywhere. Text: PayPal users in the U.S. can begin [..] today, with international expansion [..] starting later this month. So immediately out of the box it is exactly NOT for "anyone" and NOT "anywhere". This is contagious: a couple of years ago Gnosis tried to launch their Gnosis Card[1] on Berlin DappCon with the exact same slogan: "Anyone, anywhere" while only accepting applications from a select group of people living in select EU countries. I have had discussion with their CEO right there regarding this marketingspeak but he did not seem to grasp what's the problem at all here. You can't make this shit up. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4_6aOUagY4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4_6aOUagY4
- DennisP 1y agoWell in fairness they really have reimagined how money moves to anyone anywhere, they just haven't changed it yet. Plus they used a verb tense suggesting the process is ongoing. If they said "we changed how money moves to anyone anywhere" then that would be inaccurate, but that's not what they said.
- egorfine 1y agoIt is almost like there were two departments in play. One that did reimagine how the global crypto money works, and the other who cannot image transacting without a recent utility bill. And they met in the press release.
- heap_perms 1y agoYeah, it’s textbook USdefaultism. "Look how global we are… as long as you have a U.S. address, the correct passport, a bank account in a supported country, a smartphone with the correct OS."
- yieldcrv 1y agoPaypal has supported Ethereum and Bitcoin for years, in the US, most of the comments on this thread are irrelevant and unrelated to the current press release
- dev1ycan 1y agoYeah bro Im not sending crypto through paypal so I get charged like 5%+ on too of withdrawal fee by my bank of like 10% extra...
- Revamp 1y agozero reason to use this instead of something like sling.money you wallet is self custodial there
- 1oooqooq 1y agowhat's the end goal of stablecoins, besides the immediate grift? do they think countries' populations will "opt in" into dolarizing that country econony (a la argentina in the 80s) bypassing their central bank opinions? or is this much simpler and is just "ebay now works as crypto escrow for your bids"?
- asim 1y agoJust to echo other sentiments. Don't use PayPal to hold your crypto. Yes it will open the gateway to existing PayPal users and enable them to transact in these currencies. But the reality is that these centralised entities do not operate under an ethical code the way you would expect them to. They make unilateral decisions about what happens to your account and funds without asking you a single question. Be very careful. I was not a banking skeptic before. I have quite happily used my bank account, credit cards, PayPal and everything else. But now. I am not so sure. The level of control they have over your finances and ability to transact is unnerving. What they do with your money you can't control. When they decide you are no longer a favourable actor you can't control. Minimise exposure to these entities please.
- bapak 1y ago> you can't control Well, they're not above the law. They're effectively a bank and must follow the laws in the countries in which they operate.
- mrguyorama 1y agoPaypal is very specifically not a bank and does not have to follow banking regulations
- fluxusars 1y agoI will never trust Paypal with anything again after they completely botched up the closing of my deceased parent's account. It was a dystopian nightmare to try and get them to understand the situation, and every support person who replied to the ticket started from scratch to give a wholly new, and yet equally unhelpful, take on the situation. It took nearly six months to fully close down the account and many, many phone calls, which were equally difficult because it's nearly impossible to speak to a real person, and when you do finally get connected to a real person they just hang up on you when they realize they can't solve your issue in under five minutes. Paypal is one of the worst companies I have ever had the misfortune of dealing with, and money or crypto is the last thing I would trust them with.
- qingcharles 1y agoLike with most things, if you put a serious amount of money through your account they will assign you a personal account manager who will bend over backwards for you. Otherwise they couldn't care less :( source: experience
- AfterHIA 1y agoIn Soviet America Pay pals you!
- unleaded 1y agoreal question because i don't know, what do people actually buy with crypto other than other money or illegal stuff? i presume paypal won't be happy with you buying/selling drugs with it
- codyb 1y agoA long time ago someone bought a pizza. Most large company entries into the crypto space seem to fizzle out and disappear due to lack of use, and how annoying it is to deal with currencies which fluctuate in value between the time you've spent them and the time the transaction is approved (I understand there are lightning networks), and then there's the issue with maintaining wallets. It really just adds nothing but extra complexity to the existing electronic payment methods. And takes away tons of things like regulators, regulations, consumer protections, strong case law.
- XorNot 1y agoGiven that I basically never use PayPal anymore I'm thinking this might be a desperate attempt to find any new market to grow in. There's plenty of alternatives these days so now I just use the direct credit card option on most sites.
- codyb 1y agoYea Paypal seems to have the _most_ friction in my experience. That being said, they bought Venmo in 2013 so I'm still using 'em. Although, they're pretty late to the game. Company must not be integrated super tightly since Venmo's had some crypto support for years now.
- PartiallyTyped 1y agoGray market stuff.
- mortoc 1y agoThe only use-case I've heard for cryptocurrencies that doesn't just sound like a get-rich-quick-speculative-betting-scam is providing financial services to the un-banked.
- 5350-uiop-1130 1y agobeing able to spend stablecoins via paypal wallet seems convenient but i assume there is some ethereum sized fees that makes the whole thing redundant
- sharadov 1y agoThe current administration is fully embracing crypto - the Trump family is reaping significant benefits. Hence, all the banks are getting into all the action as well. It's grift time baby!
- Cameri 1y agoWith their history of freezing clients funds, no thanks PayPal.
- FabHK 1y agoWorst of both worlds!
- Pxtl 1y agoWith the expensive and slow transactions of BTC and Ether, is there any crypto currency that is actually practical to spend on something like Paypal?
- kinakomochidayo 1y agoYou probably need to update your sources. It’s super cheap to send ETH https://www.gasfees.io/ https://www.gasfees.io/
- Pxtl 1y agoHuh, I was basing this on NFT gas prices since that's the part of blockchain I've always been most curious about, I didn't realize that simple ETH transfers required far less gas than things like minting and selling NFTs.
- kinakomochidayo 1y agoMinting and selling NFTs in general require more computation, but many smart contracts with NFTs have been gas optimized compared to 2021, sometimes requiring less approvals and transactions. A lot of activity moved to L2s, making L1 gas cheaper, and so simple ETH and token sends are cheaper. L2s will continue to get cheaper, with the next hard fork around November and L1 gas should be even cheaper with the hard fork after the next.
- esskay 1y agoI'm both surprised they didn't already, and am more surprised people are still willing to even use PayPal at this point.
- unixhero 1y agoIn the real world, not in computer user world, people use what is avilable to them that works. Paypal is that.
- lucb1e 1y agoOnly when it's the literal only option at checkout. Then it's the merchant's choice, not my problem. When possible, I'll always opt to use a different instantaneous method (e.g. iDeal or direct debit), or give the merchant my money directly and wait 3 days for the IBAN transfer to go through. Using paypal just risks the money being indefinitely frozen on either side and them taking a cut for the privilege, if it works on a particular day in the first place (no mysterious errors or infinite loading screens) As for "the real world", there's cash and chip+PIN. Never used paypal IRL. Is that a thing in your country, did you mean that literally? If so, where are you from?
- tgsovlerkhgsel 1y agoIf the merchant screws you on a transaction paid via IBAN transfer, how do you get your money back?
- lucb1e 1y agoSame as if Paypal screws me, or the store I just bought something in... you talk to them and if they don't cooperate you take it to court (small claims hopefully). So far, nobody I know has needed to take a shop to court. It's extremely rare, but yes it sure happens If I really don't trust the seller, I can always still get some sort of insurance thing, but an X% insurance fee needn't be the default for every transaction. (Even if the % is invisible to you, then the seller updates their product's prices. The seller won't choose to eat less just to finance your transaction fees... the only way to not pay those is operate a deficit, which eventually leads to bankruptcy and loss of your warranty, which isn't a desirable situation either)
- theodric 1y ago*in the USA
- k__ 1y agoSeems like they all come crawling back.
- joahnn_s 1y agoThe whole purpose of crypto is to exchange money online like we exchange cash in person, so who wants PayPal as a middleman on a tech designed not to have a middleman? Who will use that
- DebtDeflation 1y agoDecentralized Finance!
- freefaler 1y agoFor people who won't setup any wallet this can be useful. Self custody wallets are scary for some users.
- saghm 1y agoWhat's the intersection of people who are afraid to set up their own wallet, want to use Ethereum and Bitcoin, and are happy to have PayPal as the one performing their transactions for them? Any of those might be reasonable independently, but it's hard to imagine someone fitting all three.
- somenameforme 1y agoQuite a lot, because you're forgetting one key group - existing Paypal users who are interested in crypto but not interested enough to proactively pursue it.
- justinator 1y ago"Trust PayPal with your not-wallet" oh sure.
- em3rgent0rdr 1y agoPayPal 20 years ago made it easy to engage in internet commerce across various world currencies. And now users of PayPal have an easy way to commerce with two more world currencies using a familiar trusted interface. Another way PayPal as the middle man helps: "Unclaimed links expire after 10 days", which sounds like it avoids the problem of accidentally sending bitcoin into the void.
- kayson 1y agoI've bought bitcoin a few times using paypal, and while it says you can transfer it to any address, it would never actually let me complete the process. Support was utterly useless. Presumably it's some fraud risk sort of issue, but ultimately just cost me a few dollars in losses and fees to get my cash back. Never again.
- kragen 1y agoYou mean, they wouldn't let you withdraw the Bitcoin you had nominally bought from them?
- Karrot_Kream 1y agoThis post is about Paypal links. Unclear what this has to do with ETH or BTC given Paypal has had support for those for years.
- selinkocalar 1y agoThis is more about regulatory compliance than technical capability. PayPal already had the infrastructure - they've been waiting for clearer guidance from regulators. The interesting part will be how they handle the AML requirements. Traditional payment processors have decades of experience with compliance, but crypto transactions create new challenges for transaction monitoring.
- justinator 1y agoHey is this the same PayPal that freezes accounts and locks you from those funds? pass.
- kragen 1y agoIs this a legitimate alternative domain name for PayPal, or is it a parody or phishing site? It's not paypal.com. Apparently it's legit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45250319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45250319
- unstatusthequo 1y agoNice of them to cause confusion to make phoning easier. No, corp.paypal.com/news or PayPal.com/corp/newsroom etc weren’t a good idea. I’d love to hear how decisions like this get made.
- JonathonW 1y agoThis approach (using a separate domain for content that isn't part of their service itself) has security advantages-- for example, this way a compromise of their news site CMS can't expose users' PayPal session tokens. It's decently common for websites to do this-- this is the same reason why Github Pages is hosted at github.io rather than github.com, and why static blobs are at githubusercontent.com. Those have a somewhat different threat model than PayPal's news site (hopefully PayPal isn't letting any random person add news stories...), but the premise is the same: if the thing does not need authentication tokens for the main service, make it so that it's impossible for it to get them. (You could get some of the same effect by scoping your cookies to a specific subdomain rather than allowing them to apply to all subdomains, but (1) that's not always how you want to structure your site, and (2) it's really easy to mess up and inadvertently scope a cookie too broadly (or for the browser to misbehave and send to subdomains anyways, which was the default behavior of one very prominent browser for a really long time). Using a different domain entirely sidesteps all of this completely.)
- bilekas 1y agoMaybe I'm missing something but you can't separate you're session and authentication with a different subdomain? Eg. My session on corp.paypal.com would be locked down to solely corp.paypal.com. From a practical sense, what different does a subdomain and a dedicated domain offer if you're managing your certs correctly?
- martindale 1y agoPayPal deleted my account in 2017 for having a relationship with Bitcoin-associated banks. Fuck you, that was war.
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- Uptrenda 1y agoIn the early days of Bitcoin (like 2013 and earlier) there were soo many entrepreneurs that tried to use Paypal for their fiat on-ramps. There even used to be a service that let you buy Bitcoins with credit cards and used Paypal to process payments. They did their own KYC and everything, with very low fraud rates despite the double-spend risk. Even with an interesting result: Paypal caused them nothing but misery. Every single merchant, trading system, wallet, or platform that tried to rely on Paypal came to regret it. Paypals reputation in the FinTech space is that of creating a service that restricts as much as possible what can be done with your own money. All in the name of "security." Even though they seem to offer the worst security of any platform, coupled with the now infamous risk of having your funds "frozen" for any arbitrary reason. In short: I literally cannot think of a company I would trust less with digital currencies than Paypal. And seeing them support any of them just makes me think "wow, you fucking phonies."
- nunobrito 1y agoFascinating. Now do it for Monero.
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- notsydonia 1y agoI tried some Woo-Commerce? plugin to accept Bitcoin on my sites a few years ago and Paypal baulked at it or made it incredibly complicated to the point that I gave up. Stripe said to wait until their cryptocurrency was released. The main issue at the time seemed to be that it couldn't really work as a medium of exchange. Eg; $100 paid on the Monday might be $80 or $150 by the time it actually cleared. Maybe I was really inept but I got sick of the complexity and bailed, even though I liked the idea of having these options. I wouldn't try Paypal's offering as they don't have any kind of quality support for merchants.
- shudza 1y agoSo they've finally found a way to make a wrapper around a blockchain with a database, nice.
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