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Nest 1st gen and 2nd gen thermostats no longer supported from Oct 25
- RyanShook 1y agoAPI access is being ended as well, so third-party apps and services will not work.
- sedatk 1y agoI was hoping that at least my Home Assistant integration would keep working. That sucks terribly. Lesson of the day: Avoid any IoT device that you can't use without an external service.
- cheald 1y agoFWIW, I replaced my Nests with Centralite Pearls a few years ago, and have been extremely happy with them WRT Home Assistant. The Pearl doesn't seem to be widely available anymore, but any Zwave or Zigbee thermostat + a local hub gets you a thermostat that should work with Home Assistant and will be immune to being sunsetted like this.
- sedatk 1y agoThat's a good suggestion. Thanks!
- _mlbt 1y agoI highly recommend Ecobee if you want an alternative to Google Nest.
- themerone 1y agoI've had both and am much happier with Ecobee.
- jjtheblunt 1y agosame here. had 2 nests and 2 ecobees. the only ecobee quirk i find after 9 years of ecobees is that the weather calculation is way off if you live near microclimates. i'm not sure if they use your postal zipcode, or use a map from IP address to more accurate weather, but it's normally showing weather from 10 miles away.
- worthless-trash 1y agoMy wife can ask google home for the weather forecast and it is correct. I ( the account holder ) can ask it when right beside her and it will provide weather prediction for a location 30km away.
- jjtheblunt 1y agofor extra fun. weird bugs in both it seems
- emchammer 1y agoDoes Ecobee require an app and account to be activated, or is it something that HomeKit just detects on the LAN?
- sanex 1y agoI know they used to be Home Assistant capable but required an API key which they will no longer give out. Seems like no fully local control to me. I believe my app stops working when the Internet goes out but it's been a bit.
- SV_BubbleTime 1y agoMy ecobee has been working a for year with no internet. Of course the app stops working, but that’s expected from a WiFi product.
- xp84 1y agoOh really? Weird. I did need to do some developer API key thing to get mine in HA, and it's awesome. All sensors and controls work great[1]. Since it's Homekit compatible though, you can go that route. HA easily discovers anything HK compatible as soon as you connect it to your network. So you connect Ecobee to HA with the HomeKit protocol in lieu of connecting it with Apple's stuff. [1] ...and anything's better than the asinine on-device UI that Ecobee "updated" to a couple years ago (ask yourself: what would a foolish inexperienced "uX dEsIgNeR" do to ruin a plain old thermostat UI? It's that.)
- dasmoop 1y agoI was really disappointed with the lack of analytics / historical data. Thankfully the open source beetstat makes ecobee a lot more useful, with full history and graphs for heat/cool runtime, aux heat, indoor/outdoor humdity, etc
- rolph 1y ago"an email from Google stating that they are no longer it's going to support the Nest 1st gen and 2nd gen thermostats. While they will continue to operate locally, it appears that they will no longer work with the Nest app or Home app controls." at least they dont seem to be planning a mass bricking.
- _mlbt 1y agoDoes operate locally retain any smart features or does it just essentially become a dumb thermostat?
- hangonhn 1y agoFrom what I understand it just means the app will no longer work for that thermostat. All the other features that you access from the device itself should still work. At least that's how it was presented to me on the Nest app.
- willidiots 1y agoI had one of the second-gen units, it was programmable locally, and you could locally enable the learning mode (which was not good)
- ChrisArchitect 1y ago[dupe] Some earlier discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45033555 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45033555 And when it was announced in April: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43802574 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43802574
- IAmGraydon 1y agoA rule of thumb when dealing with anything Google: never become too reliant on anything made by Google. They tend to depreciate almost everything eventually.
- jjtheblunt 1y agodepreciate by deprecation
- bobbylarrybobby 1y agoDeprecate* But yes, this is why I'm staying away from Gemini. Seems like an amazing product! But no way am I putting my AI eggs in the Google basket.
- LoganDark 1y agoTo be fair, it's not like the thermostat is worth as much after it's discontinued
- cjbgkagh 1y agoIt’s far easier to open a new tab than it is to change a thermostat, which also isn’t that hard… I still think google is doing itself and the rest of us a disservice when they don’t facilitate off-boarding or continuation of services that would be trivially cheap to maintain.
- IAmGraydon 1y ago>Deprecate Yes it was an unfortunate autocorrect and it’s now too late to fix it!
- benhurmarcel 1y agoThere is no switching cost or even effort with LLMs. You can use Gemini now if you think it’s the current best option and switch whenever it isn’t.
- gyomu 1y agoI wonder what year they’ll sunset Gmail. Nothing is forever, surely some PM in 2033 will decide that email is over and it’s time to push everyone to Gemini Messenger.
- dekhn 1y ago"That alarm cannot be silenced here"
- jeffbee 1y agoThat's what my Nest was saying as it flew out the 3rd floor window.
- jajuuka 1y agoDidn't those come out in 2012? That's better than most appliances.
- delfinom 1y agoWorse than most thermostats that aren't made by Google though.
- wrs 1y agoWhich says something about how bad modern appliances are.
- jajuuka 1y agoOnly if you look at appliance official support windows. In terms of energy consumption, efficiency, noise, storage area, weight, and regular maintenance modern appliances are pretty amazing.
- bluGill 1y agomy car is from 1999 and I can still keep it working. I replaced a perfectly working furnace from 1973 a couple years ago (nearly double the efficiency). I still use my 1939 tractor and can get parts for it. I have plenty of other appliances older than that - many modern ones don't work as well
- asdff 1y agoMost thermostats last for decades and decades. It is simple equipment.
- boringg 1y agoNEST protect has been a thorn in my side. Aside from just completely eating batteries - it constantly has to reconnect. I wish the internet of things was soo much better than it is. There was a dream once of a world that worked efficiently, and then profit models came in and destroyed it.
- scrumper 1y agoYou’ve got to use the one specific brand and type of battery they insist on. It’s some energizer lithium thing I’ll have to check for you and comment later. Anything else fails very fast, the correct ones last for years.
- boringg 1y agoI used that one brand that the specified -- still died in 6 months.
- asdff 1y agoThat parallel universe exists its just on aliexpress.com not amazon.com. Cheap hardware and open protocols as promised.
- boringg 1y agoFair but how many hours of tinkering do you need to do to maintain them...
- asdff 1y agoNot much at all. Setup is pretty easy with a lot of guides out there for setting up open hardware on open standards. Once its set up its rock solid forever unless you decide to change something for whatever reason. Way better than the alternative where the company decides to push an update no one asked for and breaks some feature you relied upon or enshittifies the device without your consent.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 1y agoTo each their own, but the idea of an internet connected thermostat (at great expense!) never made sense to me. A $20 Honeywell lets you program 4 regions per day (waking, day, evening, night) and will be fine almost every day of the year. Has a battery backup and never failed me. I guess it would be cute to get some analytics dashboard, but that’s about where my interest ends.
- xyzelement 1y agoThe key usecases for me are: Adjusting the thermostat (which is downstairs) from bed. At the airport - oh shit did I turn off the AC for the two weeks we'll be away? Ok I just did.
- slipnslider 1y agoSame. My Nest has probably paid for itself in terms of me being able to remotely disable it while away on trips
- dogcow 1y agoLuckily, this can all be achieved using a Wi-Fi or (even better) a Z-Wave thermostat that is 100% locally-controlled using something like Home Assistant or any number of other solutions.
- xyzelement 1y agoThe guy I replied to was asking why you'd want an Internet connected thermostat. I am a HA guy and prior to my ecobee I ran an American Radio Thermostat with local HA support and you could control over curl. But the wifi module was so old that no modern device connected to it when I had to reset it up. But I agree zwave plus HA are a great option too.
- jkestner 1y agoI got a Honeywell Sensi thermostat that can do that, and also works without an internet connection. Better things are possible.
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- lioeters 1y agoWhen I think of Google, killing products is one of the first things that come to mind.
- dade_ 1y agoI am surprised they weren’t already killed. Switched to Ecobee after the acquisition. I gave my friend my Nest. A year later there was a software problem, Google was like, it’s old, buy a new one. Glad I ditched it.
- tomhow 1y agoWe try to avoid predictability on HN, which means we don't always need there to be someone making this comment every time Google sunsets a product. Yes, Google has shut down a lot of products. They've also launched a lot of products. It doesn't need a comment like this each time. Comments are always fine if they're thoughtful and substantive, but this kind of comment isn't one of those.
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- ddingus 1y agoThis crap is exactly why I do not ever purchase devices like these. Yeah, I don't have a smart home, but all my old stuff works great and that will continue until after I have left this place. Maybe I do have a smart home.
- nwellinghoff 1y agoAnything that requires a cloud account and does not offer a self hosted option, even a limited one, should be considered throw away. Would be nice if google released a self hosted server for these as a nod and thanks to the early customers.
- bobmcnamara 1y agoOr just open up a little JSON server on the thermostat.
- metaltyphoon 1y ago> Would be nice if google released a self hosted server These mofos are too greedy to do this.
- IlikeKitties 1y agoSo, this will happen to ANYTHING that requires a server that you don't control eventually, including cars, smart-anything, smarthome stuff etc. I find this quite obvious to be true, yet the market seems to ignore this, from the consumer and manufacturers side. Why is that?
- wltr 1y agoMoney
- zahirbmirza 1y agoConnected thermostats are great in theory! But they should not have to rely on a cloud connection. A local network with the option of internet connectivity would be awesome; but, it seems, no company is going to become uber successful if there isn't the option of forced upgrades and cloud subscriptions. Look at Ring...
- gxs 1y agoThey are so shady about this stuff I have a Honeywell t6 that I got when they installed a new unit - Honeywell INSISTS that you create an account and download the app to connect it to your home network Thankfully this is bullshit and you can connect it directly from the thermostat to HomeKit - you will not find a single piece of documentation on this though and will be told it’s not possible The real kicker is that there is a notification to register your device that you can’t get rid of unless you register your device You can only snooze it for a couple weeks at a time How I’d love to have one on one conversations with the evil people who approve this type of crap
- rpcope1 1y agoHoneywell's z-wave thermostat basically does all of the shiny shit you'd want out of a connected thermostat while making basically impossible to lock the user out because Honeywell decided it didn't like the product anymore. Why people have to keep relearning this with IoT devices baffles me, and that Z-wave or maybe Zigbee isn't what's insisted upon.
- SV_BubbleTime 1y agoEcoBee is happy to work without WiFi.
- stavros 1y agoI bought a $20 Zigbee thermostat from AliExpress and it has been fantastic. It turns on when it's cold, and off when it's hot. Anything else, I can do with software, because it's just Zigbee.
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- sneak 1y agoSerious question: how long do you expect cloud hardware vendors to support the servers for their products? 10 years? 20? 30?
- unethical_ban 1y agoYes. Unless Google is going out of business?
- modeless 1y agoWhen it's a device intended to be installed permanently in a house that could last 100 years, controlling a device that could last 20-30 years, and the company still exists (and is worth trillions to boot), I think 30 years of support would be a completely reasonable expectation.
- rappatic 1y agoI don’t know how these were advertised when originally sold, but I think products like these ought to clearly display a minimum sever lifetime. Something like “Nest connected thermostat, with 10 years of guaranteed cloud connectivity” displayed relatively prominently on the packaging. Otherwise, if the vendor can arbitrarily remotely yank access to a key feature, then the consumer is being sold a false bill of goods.
- sneak 1y agoProducts are not services. If you buy a product that needs services to work, and at the time of purchase you are clearly informed that those services are subject to change at any time, you are sufficiently aware of the fact that product functionality may change at any time. You’re still in the return window when you are presented with the service ToS.
- Dylan16807 1y agoEven if we're not going to require functionality last more than 0 years, the 0 year promise should have to be written on the box in medium or large text.
- walterbell 1y agoIs there a list of devices which have been rescued or extended by open-source software? Lyrion Music Server (formerly Logitech Media Server) is open-source server software for Squeezebox audio players, https://lyrion.org/ https://lyrion.org/ Tasmota is open-source firmware for ESP8266 and ESP32-based devices, https://templates.blakadder.com/preflashed-stand.html https://templates.blakadder.com/preflashed-stand.html & https://github.com/tasmota https://github.com/tasmota Some IP cameras have open firmware replacements. Some Chromebooks are supported by mainline Linux.
- tomr75 1y agoyou can buy these sensors off aliexpress cheap
- xp84 1y agoThe shameful part is that the only thing that even remotely (no pun intended) needs a server to even be online, is the out-of-home control, just for NAT traversal. It should be free to Google for these to have at least in-home smart functionality forever. Well, that, and the moving target of updating an "app" every year for all the breaking changes Google and (especially) Apple do to the mobile OS. Although honestly I'd rather have a QR code that links you to a PWA hosted on the thermostat itself.
- ryandrake 1y agoThis should be pretty much true for every "connected" device out there. They should all have a mode that works by directly connecting over the local LAN. Why do device manufacturers refuse to support this configuration? If I want to change the volume of my "smart speaker" from my phone that's also on my LAN, it shouldn't require a round trip to a server on the Internet, or an account with credentials, or any of that nutty stuff.
- lstamour 1y agoIt’s crazy that Sonos used to* have local wifi mesh networking and they decided “the cloud is better”. * technically still does, but they tried to switch before they backpedaled
- xp84 1y ago> Why do device manufacturers refuse to support this configuration? My theory is that it checks boxes for "sEcUrItY." There aren't enough enthusiasts who know the first thing about computers or security to be a market for any mass-market hardware, so they're designed for the proverbial "grandma" to be able to plausibly use. Therefore, you can't ask them to establish, remember, and maintain the secrecy of any credentials. Therefore, they either need to make the devices permissively trusting on the LAN (which IoT devices got a lot of criticism for a few years ago) or they need these fluffy login methods that introduce dependencies: Usually they require email for forgotten-password recovery, SMS for a "sEcOnD fAcToR", and of course, because it would confuse people if the control only worked on the LAN without integrating into a home hub, they need every device to connect directly to the cloud and therefore for the app control to go through the WAN. Or at minimum, the LAN<->LAN communication is only permitted by possession of a JWT or similar that's been recently authorized by the cloud server.
- apparent 1y agoIs there a stated reason for this EOLing?
- anonymars 1y agoI'll venture a guess: https://youtu.be/W63bcKnmdqU https://youtu.be/W63bcKnmdqU
- dreamcompiler 1y ago"Dumb" home devices work as expected for 25-50 years, and then you replace them. "Smart" home devices work as expected for about a year and then they fail in new and exciting ways, and then you replace them.
- j45 1y agoWell said. Smarthome tech like this is just trying to make a quick buck at the expense of a lifelong relationship with a customer.
- daviddavis 1y agoThis is exactly why I’ve started only buying smart devices that work with Home Assistant and don’t rely on cloud services.
- UnlockedSecrets 1y agoWhat are the best ways of finding such devices? Almost all the time when I look into some product it ends up being connected to some random cloud service with its own login.
- asdff 1y agoIt isn't easy, but you just have to do your due diligence and really explore the featuresets available for a given category of product. A shortcut however is checking out the homelab subreddit. People will post about the gear they are using in their stack.
- Izkata 1y agoHomeAssistant supports a bunch of home automation systems, including local-only ones like ZWave and Zigbee*. A search for "zwave thermostat" comes up with a lot of results, though I couldn't say how difficult it might be to configure them (I'm only using simpler devices like switches and sensors). * There are internet-connected controllers and local controllers so you'd also want a local controller. I've used an Aeotec Z-Stick for ZWave devices for around a decade, it plugs into USB, HomeAssistant accesses it directly, and the ZWave network itself is connections between the Z-Stick and the devices without the internet.
- winrid 1y agoThey must have found some really bad security issues in the old backend they can't fix, or something. It's a bad look.
- Havoc 1y agoIf you want IoT...ensure it's home assistant compatible.
- testbjjl 1y agoWyze is asking folks on Reddit if they’re willing to pay monthly for RTSP access.
- asdff 1y agoI shied away from wyze when they killed some features in some wifi cams I had years ago. It used to work like most others where it would detect movement and record a 30 second clip. Somewhere along the way that became a paid subscription only feature. Should have never updated that firmware... I'm using reolink now for doorbell and will probably stick to them and other such brands going forward. poe of course too since all battery based cams suck in comparison (no live streaming capability or preroll recording before detection, needing regular charging). Wifi units are kind of crappy too compared to poe. Running cable is kind of satisfying in a strange way imo.
- GiorgioG 1y agoGoogle have the gaul to "offer" their newer devices at a discount - yes I want to pay you again for something I've already paid for...trusting that you don't this again in 10 years. I have 3 of these devices. Fuck you Google.
- nullc 1y agoOTOH, lack of ongoing support means a greatly diminished, but not eliminated, risk that they push a firmware update in the middle of an extreme weather event, disabling your hvac and endangering the occupants lives.
- RyanShook 1y agoCan someone at Google explain why the company can’t end formal support for the thermostat but make the API open? It’s a thermostat. It has 3 real functions - cool, heat, fan. What could it possibly hurt to let owners access the endpoints without touching Google servers?
- asdff 1y agoBut then the customer might not buy a new nest....
- nasretdinov 1y agoThey might not buy a new one regardless because they are upset with the company :). Just saying
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- Uvix 1y agoThis assumes Google's servers are pushing to the thermostat. It seems more likely that the thermostats are pulling from Google's servers, so that they don't have to worry about firewalls.
- fastest963 1y agoWith a big company like Google I'm sure lawyers are the ones preventing an open API and not the developers. The API is a liability for Google. It could infringe on patents or it could have a bug.
- drob518 1y agoAs a wise man once said, “Anything plus computer equals computer.”
- thangalin 1y agohttps://www.sinopetech.com/en/collections/temperature-control https://www.sinopetech.com/en/collections/temperature-contro... I replaced all my thermostats for both of my homes with Sinopé products. Smart, allows integration with locally hosted home automation, and compatible with ZigBee networks. Purchased my first batch in late 2021 and haven't had any issues. Physical temperature controls if the LAN goes offline. Highly recommend. Here's the hardware installed for on-prem home automation using the open-source Home Assistant software: * Raspberry Pi[1] CPU, heatsink, A/C adapter, and case * ConBee II Zigbee USB gateway[2] * USB ADATA Micro SD card reader and USB cable * Micro SD card (for operating system and Home Assistant) * Ethernet cable (optional if using onboard WiFi) There's a tutorial walking through the setup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJEwrSSFe9s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJEwrSSFe9s It takes a little more labour to make it remotely accessible via smart phone, but once you have it locally hosted, that world is your oyster. [1]: https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/ [2]: https://phoscon.de/en/conbee2 https://phoscon.de/en/conbee2
- CraftThatBlock 1y agoSame for myself. Sinooé devices are extremely solid (at least the Zigbee ones I've used) and work perfectly with Home Assistant. Would highly recommend.
- amatecha 1y agoNice, thanks, I was curious what kind of zigbee thermostats are out there. Great to hear a positive anecdote about one!
- whilenot-dev 1y agoI always check out the list at Zigbee2MQTT for compatible devices: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/supported-devices/ https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/supported-devices/
- datahack 1y agoImagine if Google, which presents itself as a supporter of open source, had clear support policies so that when it ended support for a product, the open source community could take over. Think about how much e-waste that could prevent and how quickly it could make Google the default recommendation. At this point I’ve thrown out so much Google hardware that was end of life but still operating I’ve become just the opposite — I constantly suggest people don’t use their hardware.
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- Mistletoe 1y agoI'm gonna flip a table, our Nest 2nd gen I got for my girlfriend was a gift and we love it so much, she had always wanted one. We bought newer ones and they were complete trash so we went back to it. It has been such a struggle even dealing with everything after Google acquired them. We are exiting the Google thermostat Home Assistant world and never looking back. Way to ruin another quality thing you assholes.
- briHass 1y agoI got burned recently by Ecobee in the same way. The problem with 'smart' interfaces for traditionally mechanical devices is that the useable lifetime (support period) of low-end microprocessors and software, especially online APIs, is often far shorter than the mechanical device it's attached to. Similar to how people that keep cars around for 10+ years are stuck with dated and worthless 'infotainment' systems, Google and Ecobee can't even honor their product for long enough to outlast the HVAC units. What burns me is that it wouldn't be much of an ask for them to push one final (optional) update that would open LAN-only access to core functionality. I and many others in the HA/ESPHome community have written hardware integrations to devices over RS485/UART with unpublished/black-box protocols, so a simple HTTP API would have an integration within days. It would maybe cost an engineer at Nest/Ecobee a day or two of work, and the goodwill would make me far more likely to purchase a newer model. As it is, I've committed to avoiding (where possible) devices that aren't local-first.
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- badc0ffee 1y agoI got lucky with my 2011 Toyota because the inputs are standard Bluetooth, an aux port, and iPod-style USB. The display is also a VFD pixel display and not some crappy LCD with a resistive touchscreen. Of course, new devices might use some incompatible Bluetooth standard in the future.
- kevin_thibedeau 1y ago> What burns me is that it wouldn't be much of an ask for them to push one final (optional) update that would open LAN-only access to core functionality. The last dev who understands the code and the build tooling left years ago.
- throwaway2037 1y ago> The last dev who understands the code and the build tooling left years ago. I'm confused. Are you writing this with first hand insider's knowledge? Or is this sarcasm?
- natnatenathan 1y agoI don’t understand the appeal of smart home devices. My Honeywell thermostat may not be as optimal as the nest but I’ve had it for thirty years and it just works without thought.
- BryanA 1y agoMy "smart" thermostat was past being supported when I bought it from Home Depot, lol, I put back the mercury switch thingie from 60 years ago because I had no idea how to get rid of it anyway.
- WalterBright 1y agoI don't understand why anyone would buy these things. Any device that requires a connection to a remote server is doomed to being bricked sooner.
- willis936 1y agoThe truth is a lot of consumers do because they trust companies. Companies are happy to convert that trust into a few hundredths of a point on a quarterly statement.
- BuckRogers 1y agoI have an Amazon smart thermostat. I don’t worry about it being bricked. I’ve had it for years. I did look at the Google stuff. But I’m generally moving away from products from certain companies going forward. Namely, Samsung and Google. I had many concerns, but I’m not surprised to hear how Google is handling their own products.
- ewoodrich 1y ago"Bricked" in this case just means reverting back to a "dumb" thermostat.
- th2o344234234 1y agoClassic "internet-of-shit" material. Worse are all these home-automation IoT devices etc. that "need" to re-route and ping servers outside even to get commands sent from devices on the same subnet! How absurd is this design ? This ads-ification and "productization" of the user is the bane of tech industry. Such a scummy practice...
- xutopia 1y agoThis pisses me off to no end. I paid a lot... I expected my Nest gear to work for as long as I own my house. I paid extra to get someone to install it with my home system. Now I see that my Nest Protect is saying it needs to be changed... not some small module... the whole thing. Next will be my thermostats... I can't understand why I'd pay for them again.
- erikerikson 1y agoAgreed, I bought into Google mesh Wi-Fi and they updated it to remove vlan bridging which made it useless for my ISP which required that. When I reached out they gaslit me awhile before saying yeah, we nerfed you, sucks for you.
- z3ugma 1y agoThis is one of the reasons I am working on an enclosure-compatible open-source version of the 2nd gen Nest thermostat. It reuses the enclosure, encoder ring, display, and mounts of the Nest but replaces the "thinking" part with an open-source PCB that can interact with Home Assistant. Nest has been pretty-badly supported in Home Assistant for over a year anyway, missing important connected features. I've got the faceplate PCB done and working; the rotary encoder and ring working; and the display working but with terrible code with a low refresh rate. I need to ship at the end of October to beat the retirement date. Plans to get some regular development report-outs and pre-orders are coming quite soon. It's open source, and uses ESP32-C6 so it can be Wifi, BLE, or Zigbee, whatever software you intend to load onto it.
- klysm 1y agoDo you have a link?
- z3ugma 1y agoVery close to having one! I've been working on getting a blog published and a store to pre-order the finished product. I'll reply back here with the link when it's ready.
- skinner927 1y agoYou’re bad at marketing. This was your chance to capture a ton of users. Make a google form that just takes people’s emails for you to notify us when it’s ready. Because I’m not going to remember to track you down at some unknown time in the future.
- z3ugma 1y agoWell here's your reminder not to forget - you can put your email in at https://sett.homes/ https://sett.homes/
- z3ugma 1y agoStore is published now: https://sett.homes/ https://sett.homes/
- causality0 1y agoDid anybody not see this coming the day Google fucked over all their Revolv customers in order to force them to buy into the Nest ecosystem?
- sciencesama 1y agoOnly if they can enable local home assistant access !
- neilv 1y agoMarketing/brand question: How do brands like Google (Alphabet) get away with moves like breaking products like this? Is it because they continue to offer valued other services? Is it because the affected people of any untrustworthy move are acceptable casualties? Is it because they've been cashing in goodwill created by earlier generations of leadership? Something else?
- anonym29 1y agoGotta love proprietary software. Not your code, not your property. Example #17,859 of Stallman being right yet again.
- corranh 1y agoMeanwhile, my old Honeywell thermostat is still working!
- BuckRogers 1y agoSo is my dirt cheap Amazon smart thermostat. Many years. No issues. The difference is it’s just not from Google.
- ryankshaw 1y agoIf I am looking to get something that works with Home Assistant or esphome to replace my first gen nest thermostat, what should I get?
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- aaron_m04 1y agoI feel so good about never connecting the previous owners' Nest to my WiFi.
- fortran77 1y agoMy 92 year old mom still lives in the house we moved into in 1965. It still has the original thermostat. And it’ll probably keep working another 60 years.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoA Nest E thermostat and a video doorbell came with the house. Already replaced the doorbell with a Eufy, but I'll ride the thermostat into the ground, which might be around 6 years at this rate. Another hurdle is that the Nest thermostat is tied into the local electricity co-op's peak-time usage reduction rebate program. They currently only support by Google (Nest), ecobee, Amazon, and Honeywell.
- casey2 1y agoThey were barely "supported" by google at all. I've been locked out for years at this point
- ExoticPearTree 1y agoA friendly reminder: Google is an advertising company with hobbies.
- StillBored 1y agoGonna shill Venstar's colortouch line despite not having any financial relationship with them. Only because I don't see anyone else mentioning them, and I've had good luck with them for the past ~10(?) years in multiple houses. They are AFAIK the only "smart" wifi thermostat that both provides a standalone local JSON API (https://developer.venstar.com/documentation/ https://developer.venstar.com/documentation/) , and have a pretty wide ecosystem of devices and supporting infra that covers as much if not more than what some of the larger players do. They are pretty niche, so much so that it took me maybe a year of half-hearted searching before I found a smart thermostat that wasn't dependent on an internet connection. And of course there is a home assist integration/etc https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/venstar/ https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/venstar/ Read some reviews before you buy them, or you might be surprised by the resistive touch on some models (which works fine with the UI), audible click when the relays go on/off (this is actually a big advantage in failure modes), and other features some people might not like.