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Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

489 points by zora_goron 1y ago

echelon 1y ago
Can't each of these companies with IDE integrations slurp up the network traffic and distill Anthropic's models? If you can listen to billions of tokens a day, you can basically capture all the magic.
- jasonjmcghee 1y ago
  Terms of service specifically prohibits this.
  - echelon 1y ago
    The companies stole that data from the world, so I don't see why we couldn't take it back.
    - TimeBearingDown 1y ago
      It's a nice sentiment. The companies with the integrations are the ones that could take it back, but they don't have the incentive to break legal agreements and share with the world. Meanwhile the creative output of humanity is distilled into black boxes to benefit those who can scrape it the most and burn the most power, but this impact is distributed amongst everyone, so again there's little incentive among those who could create (likely legal) change.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    How much of the training set comes from websites with "no automated scraping" in their terms?
- adastra22 1y ago
  That is not how training works…
  - echelon 1y ago
    That's how model distillation works. DeepSeek is the most notable case, but it's been used lots. And the foundation model companies are scraping and exfiltrating each others' data.
varenc 1y ago
> In the OpenAI API, “GPT-5” corresponds to the “minimal” reasoning level, and “GPT-5 (Reasoning)” corresponds to the “low” reasoning level. (159135374) It's interesting that the highest level of reasoning that GPT-5 in XCode supports is actually the "low" reasoning level. Wonder why.
- lukasb 1y ago
  Yeah I don't get why they don't support Opus given that you're bringing your own API key.
  - nezubn 1y ago
    you can use the API key, and it’ll give you access to all the model. This is Claude sign in using your account. If you’ve signed up for Claude Pro or Max then you can use it directly. But, they should give access to Opus as well.
    - natch 1y ago
      They should document it that way.
Archonical 1y ago
This is great. I've been using Xcode with a separate terminal to run Claude Code, which has been a painful setup.
- kelnos 1y ago
  How so? I don't use xcode, but I much prefer having an agent in its own "app" so to speak.
  - jama211 1y ago
    Likely so it can auto suggest, directly edit code, integrate properly etc
- spaceywilly 1y ago
  I use VS Code with Claude Code, then I just use Xcode to build and launch
  - heywoods 1y ago
    I’m building my first iOS app ever so I know it has much more to do with me not understanding Xcode but getting builds to succeed after making changes with Claude code has been a nightmare. If you or anyone have any tips, guides, prayers, incantations for how to get changes in one to not clobber the other and leave me in xproj symlink hell I would be so grateful.
    - Terretta 1y ago
      > any tips, guides, prayers, incantations for how to get changes in one to not clobber the other One caveman way: 1. Start your project using Xcode, use it to commit to GitHub, GitLab, whereever. In terminal, change into the dir that has the .git in it and launch claude. 2. Teach Claude Code your own system's path and preferred simulator for build testing. From then on it will build-test every change, so teach it to only commit after build passes. (By teach, I mean, just tell it, then from time to time, tell it to propose updates to claude.md in your project.) 3. Make sure before a PR or push that the project still builds in Xcode, if it doesn't, you can eyeball the changes in Xcode's staged changes viewer and undo them. If you change files via IDE, when you're back in Claude just say: I changed [specific/file, or "a lot of files"]. No xproj or symlinks get harmed in the making of your .swifts.
CharlesW 1y ago
It's available now. Here’s short but more complete context than the submitted title or the Xcode release note: https://sixcolors.com/link/2025/08/apples-new-xcode-beta-adds-gpt-5-claude-account-support/ https://sixcolors.com/link/2025/08/apples-new-xcode-beta-add...
throwawa14223 1y ago
It's getting harder to find IDEs that properly boycott LLMs.
- internet2000 1y ago
  Just don't use the features.
- drusepth 1y ago
  Ironically, you could probably vibe code your own.
  - ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago
    Do you really think so? Have you ever explored the source of something like: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community
    - PessimalDecimal 1y ago
      Doesn't have to. The LLM will do it! We're done with code, aren't we?
      - wfhrto 1y ago
        Code is still there, but humans are done dealing with it. We're at a higher level of abstraction now. LLMs are like compilers, operating at a higher level. Nobody programs assembly language any more, much less machine language, even though the machine language is still down there in the end.
        ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago
        > Nobody programs assembly language They certainly do, and I can't really follow the analogy you are building. > We're at a higher level of abstraction now. To me, an abstraction higher than a programming language would be natural language or some DSL that approximates it. At the moment, I don't think most people using LLMs are reading paragraphs to maintain code. And LLMs aren't producing code in natural language. That isn't abstraction over language, it is an abstraction over your computer use to make the code in language. If anything, you are abstracting yourself away. Furthermore, if I am following you, you are basically saying, you have to make a call to a (free or paid) model to explain your code every time you want to alter it. I don't know how insane that sounds to most people, but to me, it sounds bat-shit.
aiisajoke 1y ago
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- MangoToupe 1y ago
  > Apple can’t even ship software that works. Hey they're doing better than anyone else.
  - aniforprez 1y ago
    Big disagree. My Macbook has hard crashed into restarting more times than my PC desktop has in years. The other day I literally just closed my M2 Macbook and it for some reason just completely crashed and shut itself off.
    - airstrike 1y ago
      FWIW I abuse my M2 daily and only reboot once a year basically, and only because of some update. Something could be wrong with your specific Macbook
      - MBCook 1y ago
        I haven’t seen a crash in at least a decade of daily use. Back in the older Intel days I did sometimes, perhaps due to the GPU switching and flakey Nvidia drivers. But even then it certainly wasn’t common.
      - lanstin 1y ago
        Bad memory maybe? I also have much less trouble with my personal Macs than my personal Linux boxes (although I push the edges on beta and cutting edge software a lot more on linux, while I treat the MacOS as something I can ignore the versions of, unless they notify me to upgrade). But haven't had a abrupt reboot outside of software updates in forever (on personal macs - work mac reboots at IT's whims).
    - whatevertrevor 1y ago
      My hot take is all OSes are kinda bad for daily driving. Apple has no qualms breaking backwards compatibility for core functions like bluetooth connectivity in MacOS. Windows has backwards compatibility, but increasingly worsening UX, throwing ads and subscriptions in your face before you can even log in, and a bad security/process isolation model. Desktop Linux is a case of "how many hours before I find out a critical part of my workflow is unsupported/bad/broken/unconfigurable/pain-to-configure in this particular distro/desktop environment".
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AndyKelley 1y ago
Apple.com advertising a Mac Mini: > Built for Apple Intelligence. > 16-core Neural Engine These Xcode release notes: > Claude in Xcode is now available in the Intelligence settings panel, allowing users to seamlessly add their existing paid Claude account to Xcode and start using Claude Sonnet 4 All that dedicated silicon taking up space on their SoC and yet you still have to input your credit card in order to use their IDE. Come on...
- geor9e 1y ago
  To run a model locally, they would need to release the weights to the public and their competitors. Those are flagship models. They would also need to shrink them way down to even fit. And even then, generating tokens on an apple neural chip would be waaaaaay slower than an HTTP request to a monster GPU in the sky. Local llms in my experience are either painfully dumb or painfully slow.
  - hu3 1y ago
    Hence the "come on".
    - geor9e 1y ago
      Not if they knew how terrible it would be.
- aetherspawn 1y ago
  I bet Apple are working on it, it’s just not ready yet and they want to see how much people actually use it. It’s the Apple way to screw the 3rd party and replace with their own thing once the ROI is proven (not a criticism, this is a good approach for any business where the capex is large…)
- jama211 1y ago
  Trust me, you wouldn’t want to use a model for agentic code editing that could fit on a Mac mini at this stage.
breadwinner 1y ago
It seems every IDE now has AI built-in. That's a problem if you're working on highly confidential code. You never know when the AI is going to upload code snippets to the server for analysis.
- jama211 1y ago
  Well that depends on whether you give it access or not, apple’s track record with privacy gives me some hope
- tcoff91 1y ago
  Neovim and Emacs don’t have it built in. Use open source tools.
  - simonh 1y ago
    They both support it via plugins. Xcode doesn’t enable it by default, you need to enable it and sign into an account. It’s not really all that different.
    - renewiltord 1y ago
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      - OsrsNeedsf2P 1y ago
        If you're worried about someone accessing your unlocked computer to install LLMs, you might need to rethink your security model.
        renewiltord 1y ago
        They could install anything. Including Claude Code and then run it in background as agent to exfiltrate data. I'm a security professional. This is unacceptable
mrtksn 1y ago
Weren’t the AI API’s converging? Why not let the users use whatever LLM they like.
user214412412 1y ago
Wow they're finally getting it. The AI breakthrough will not come from procedural generation of memojis - but rather enabling developers to use your platform. But with the nearly hostile stance of your 30% take, we will see how far this goes.
- noobly 1y ago
  What’s the ‘30% take’?
  - willio58 1y ago
    30% of all AppStore sales go right to Apple
    - sunnybeetroot 1y ago
      15% if you’re part of the small business program.
      - pritambaral 1y ago
        What program do I have to join for 0%?
        sunnybeetroot 1y ago
        The one where you create your own mobile operating system.
        zer00eyz 1y ago
        The one where you collect cash directly from users, and magically make handling that have zero overhead. Credit card processing is hard... Go price out stripe + customer service + dealing with charge backs and tell me if you really want to do processing your self.
        latexr 1y ago
        Being in the EU and releasing in an alternative marketplace.
Jaxkr 1y ago
The “Cursor for Xcode” startups just got Sherlocked…
- siva7 1y ago
  Were there really such startups? It's so obviously a bad idea..
  - Destiner 1y ago
    There's Alex (https://www.alexcodes.app https://www.alexcodes.app), YC-backed.
  - balder1991 1y ago
    Like… you’d expect a company to evaluate the potential for competition, right? But these AI companies are obviously not actual companies with any business model, most are just trying to grab some investors money while they can surf the hype. I always find this article something to get back to: https://www.inc.com/magazine/20110301/making-money-small-business-advice-from-jason-fried.html https://www.inc.com/magazine/20110301/making-money-small-bus...
natch 1y ago
Why would you limit users to Sonnet and not allow Opus when they are paying for their own account? I mean sure some people say Sonnet is good for coding but it seems needless to limit it in this way. Or they are just really slow to catch up… oh, right.
- MattDamonSpace 1y ago
  Another decade, another claim Apple’s behind and struggling to catch up
nsonha 1y ago
Does it have agent mode? Copilot for XCode has it and provides both GPT and Claude models, free or paid
drak0n1c 1y ago
Apple really should open it up to any model provider that has an “OpenAI-style API” by letting the user put in a base URL, api key, model id, and a few params like context limit as needed.
- Razengan 1y ago
  Xcode (26) already has that.
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Lammy 1y ago
Interesting to think about how Apple get to make product decisions based on Gatekeeper OCSP analytics now that every app launch phones home. They must know exactly how popular VSCode is. Facebook got excoriated for doing that with Onavo but I guess it's Good Actually when it's done in the name of protecting my computer from myself lol
- wahnfrieden 1y ago
  This won't make a dent. It still doesn't support any agentic operation. The real news is when Codex CLI / Claude Code get integrated, or Apple introduces a competitor offering to them. Until then this is a toy and should not be used for any serious work while these far better tools exist.
  - alwillis 1y ago
    I just installed it—definitely not a toy. Compared to stock Claude Code, this version of Claude knows a lot more about SwiftUI and related technologies. The following is output from Claude in Xcode on an empty project. Claude Code gives a generic response when it looked at the same project: What I Can Help You With • SwiftUI Development: Layout, state management, animations, etc. • iOS/macOS App Architecture: MVVM, data flow, navigation • Apple Frameworks: Core Data, CloudKit, MapKit, etc. • Testing: Both traditional XCTest and the new Swift Testing framework • Performance & Best Practices: Swift concurrency, memory management Example of What We Could Do Right Now Looking at your current ContentView.swift􀰓, I could help you: • Transform this basic "Hello World" into a recovery tracking interface • Add navigation, data models, or user interface components • Implement proper architecture patterns for your Recovery Tracker app
    - ako 1y ago
      Isn’t that easy to add with some rules and guidelines documents? I usually ask Claude code to research modern best practices for SwiftUI apps and to summarize the learnings in a rules file that will be part of the SwiftUI project.
wahnfrieden 1y ago
They also upgraded the GPT-4.1 (actually a special Apple variant) to GPT-5 by default, with the option to use GPT-5-thinking, using your ChatGPT subscription. I don't know if it's a special Apple variant of GPT-5 but this is a big upgrade and more exciting than Sonnet 3.7. I also wonder if it will have separate rate limits from ChatGPT (app/web) and Codex CLI (which currently has its own rate limits).
Razengan 1y ago
I have been trying to make iOS/macOS apps for years, but god, every time I have a go at it, Apple's documentation regime is still hot garbage. Eons ago I gave up Windows development because of Microsoft's inconsistent and uncertain APIs, but MS had great documentation. Apple is the opposite. The "best" way to get the "latest" details on Apple's APIs is to suffer through mind-numbingly vapid WWDC videos with their reverse uncanny valley presenters (where humans pretend to be robots) and keep your full attention on them to catch a fleeting glimpse of a single method or property that does what you were looking for. Even 1.5x/2x speed is torture. I tried to get AIs to sift through the transcripts of their videos, and may Skynet forgive me for this cruelty. Then when you go try to use that API, oops it's been changed in the current beta and there's no further documentation on it except auto-generated headers. They also removed bookmarks from Xcode's built-in documentation browser years ago, and it doesn't retain a memory of previously open tabs, and often seems to be behind the docs on their websites. I wish they would just provide open-source sample apps of each type (document-based, single-window etc.) for each of their platforms that fully use the latest APIs. At least that would be easier to ask AIs on, since that is what they seem to be going for now anyway.
- busymom0 1y ago
  I pretty much had the same experience recently when I had to deal with their Screen Time APIs. Had to go through the wwdc videos because the documentation was lack lustre.
- balder1991 1y ago
  Something you might find useful: https://askwwdc.com/ https://askwwdc.com/
- Terretta 1y ago
  Ever notice Claude struggling to write Swift code? It might not be their fault! Apple Developer docs are locked behind JavaScript, making them invisible to most LLMs. If they try to fetch it, all they see is This page requires JavaScript. Please turn on JavaScript in your browser and refresh the page to view its content. This service translates Apple Developer documentation pages into AI-friendly Markdown. https://sosumi.ai/ https://sosumi.ai/
Razengan 1y ago
Does anybody know why Anthropic doesn't let you remove your payment info from your account, or how to get support from them? I bought a Pro subscription, the send button on their dumb chatbot box is disabled for me (on Safari), and I still get "capacity constraints' limits. Filed a chargeback with my bank just because of the audacity of their post-purchase experience. ChatGPT-5 works good enough for coding too. From my experience with Claude Opus it seems like it tries to be "too smart" and doesn't seem to keep up with the latest APIs. It suggested some code for a iOS/macOS project that was only valid on tvOS, and other gaffs.
- adastra22 1y ago
  The Pro plan ($20/mo?) is not and never was unlimited.
not_your_vase 1y ago
3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent drivers, and for some reason it enabled monkey test support (but not test support). 2. I asked it to create 7x10 monochromatic pixelmaps, as C integer arrays, for numeric characters, 0-9. I also gave an example. It generated them, but number eight looked like zero. (There was no cross in ether 0 nor 8, so it wasn't that. Both were just a ring) What am I doing wrong? Or is this really the state of the art?
- eggsandbeer 1y ago
  Write some hooks dawg
- designerarvid 1y ago
  I guess many find comfort in being able to task an ai with assignments that it cannot complete. Most sr developers I work with take this approach. It's not really a good way of assessing the usefulness of a tool though.
  - xoac 1y ago
    He asked what he was doing wrong?
    - _boffin_ 1y ago
      too big of tasks. break them down and then proceed from there. have it build out task lists in a TASKS.md. review those tasks. do you agree? no? work with it to refine. implement one by one. have it add the tests. refactor after awhile as {{model}} doesn't like to do utility functions a lot. right now, about +50k lines in to a project that's vibecoded. i sit back and direct and it plays. Imagine the CS 100 class where they ask you to make a PB&J. saying for it to make it, there's a lot of steps, but determine known the steps. implement each step. progress.
benjismith 1y ago
Sonnet only?
- CharlesW 1y ago
  I'd encourage you to read TFA, but why bother? The submitter clearly didn't either.
  - benjismith 1y ago
    I read it. I also searched the page for the word "Opus" and it didn't appear anywhere. The word "Sonnet" appears, but only once. There's also "GPT-4.1 or GPT-5", but that's not what my question implied, which was that it's weird to offer Sonnet but not Opus.
aziya 1y ago
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pjmlp 1y ago
The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions that used to be all about UWP with the same vigour as they are all AI nowadays, and then puff, competition took over even if they started later, because Microsoft messed up delivery among everyone trying to meet their KPIs and OKRs. I also love the C++ security improvements on this release.
- jgalt212 1y ago
  MSFT stock price deeply differs with your opinion.
- greggsy 1y ago
  Just because you can’t or won’t win the market with your opportunistic investment, doesn’t mean you should let your competitors completely annihilate you by taking that investment for themselves. Google, Apple, FB or AWS would have been suitors for that licensing deal if MS didn’t bite.
- yokoprime 1y ago
  CoPilot isn't anything Microsoft is trying to sell outside of their own products. And with GitHub Copilot there is no "copilot" model to choose, you can choose between Anthropic, OpenAI and Google models. Sure UWP never caught on, but you know why? Win32, which by the way is also Microsoft, was way to popular and more flexible. Devs weren't going to re-write their apps to UWP in order to support phones.
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  - pjmlp 1y ago
    UWP was more than just phones, https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2015/03/02/a-first-look-at-the-windows-10-universal-app-platform/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2015/03/02/a-firs... And Windows 11 was the reboot of Windows 10X, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrmrIlgbIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrmrIlgbIc
camillomiller 1y ago
>> Coding intelligence provides inconsistent results when modifying files that contain thousands of lines. Under the known issues
- adastra22 1y ago
  This is true of all LLM agents. It’s a context window problem.
misiek08 1y ago
"Be ready for AIpple Revolution! We are making programming something different that hasn’t happen before! We are the first to introduce AI assisted agent coding with full integration with Siri, visionOS and so much more. New, holistic approach to creativity and efficiency"
einrealist 1y ago
Its not shipping the model in Xcode. You are still sending your data off to a remote provider, hoping that this provider behaves nicely with all this data and that the government will never force the provider to reveal your data.
- ygritte 1y ago
  They are already forcing OpenAI to keep all logs. Go figure.
  - einrealist 1y ago
    And people talk to GPT about very private things, using it as a shrink. What can go wrong.
    - kridsdale1 1y ago
      China wishes they had that level of access to their people’s thoughts.
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- marci 1y ago
  Anthropic has a strong stance on privacy. They won't rug pull. /s https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45062683 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45062683 (Anthropic reverses privacy stance, will train on Claude chats)
hollowturtle 1y ago
But they won't fix the infinite number of bugs Xcode has, its slowness and subpar ux
jonplackett 1y ago
Anything’s better than the current Xcode autocomplete. My pet peeve is it will try to autocomplete any string you start typing with just random crap it thinks you might want in a string.
- raxxorraxor 1y ago
  I think all autocomplete solution are crappy, no matter how sophisticated the AI. It is surprising how often the obvious choice is wrong, but it often just is. I deactivated it. Generating some code is fine, but I now prefer the deterministic autocomplete for my types I have available in my current context.
  - TiredOfLife 1y ago
    Maybe you have not used a good one. Even the small locall only 100MB models Jetbrains uses are fine. Codeium/Windsurf one is good.
  - jonplackett 1y ago
    It now seems to be a choice of ‘let it autocomplete everything’ which because it’s shit so often is just draining and distracting. Or no autocomplete at all. I just want it to fill in the names of function and variables and enums etc. just stuff that is sometimes hard to keep in your head but such a small suggestion it doesn’t mess up your line of thinking.
suyash 1y ago
Still shocked Apple has not created thier own LLM, they have bought so many AI companies and have a rich talent pool and money so what's stopping them ?
- grumple 1y ago
  Maybe they figure it’s just going to be hot swappable models and they’d rather save the 10s of billions on training for a commodified service.
  - hu3 1y ago
    But what about data privacy? These commodified services slurp all user data [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45062683 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45062683
- CodeLikeHell 1y ago
  They have their Foundational Models [1], so I think they’re focusing more on device-level LLMs than larger ones. [1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/foundationmodels https://developer.apple.com/documentation/foundationmodels
- vessenes 1y ago
  Terrible, terrible leadership at the top of the AI org. Plus a fundamental commitment to being a 'product first' company. This same commitment would be why I wouldn't count them out on the AI side, btw. It's not clear that a private internal foundation model is any kind of required competitive moat. It's also not clear that having one is useless, and all the cool kids do have one or want one, but from a product view it might be that integrating makes sense. Llama 4 (a terrible release) shows also that making such a model is still really hard. There are not enough ML leads at the pointy tip of the spear to support even 10 high quality foundation model teams globally. If you have billions of dollars in cash and you are secure in your customer base, and you don't believe AGI liftoff will happen or change your business model, maybe you work out the kinks on product integration now using best in breed providers, not getting locked in on one of them, keep spending 1/10 to 1/100th to stay relevant and on it internally, use your incredibly powerful silicon buying power to get a next gen version of TPUs done, and wait until you know for sure you can spend under $10bn in cash on getting a great proprietary model done, one that you are certain will serve your needs. Also this will give you time to get better leadership in the AI org. Upshot - I think it's a mix of reasons, but not fatal, I'm not sure being slow erodes their product customer base, personally I'd like much better and more private AI out of Apple ASAP. We'll see what we get. I predict they'll move internal by 2031.
thefoyer 1y ago
I haven't opened up xcode in years (thank god) I suppose this was inevitable. They have to keep up
pzo 1y ago
"Claude in Xcode is now available in the Intelligence settings panel, allowing users to seamlessly add their existing paid Claude account to Xcode and start using Claude Sonnet 4" Headline quite misleading. So not exactly that it will ship in Xcode but will allow connect to paid account.
terminalbraid 1y ago
I find the xcode experience so awful I generally keep a few terminals with some curated nvim and other tools to make up for things like anything git-related, diffs, LLM integration, etc. (fwiw the swift LSP is also pretty good) This isn't going to change my workflow at this point.
devinprater 1y ago
Yay Apple's gonna buy Anthropic and Anthropic's inaccessibility ethos will slowly infect the rest of the company. Great.
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havefunbesafe 1y ago
Why would this be an improvement to using Claude in the terminal? Xcode does not have an integrated terminal.
DiabloD3 1y ago
That's a weird way for Apple to announce Xcode is being sunset.
throwawayaiai 1y ago
I used this last night to vibe-code a simple iOS game using the GPT-5 model. I found the developer experience to be quite awful and shockingly more regressive than a CLI (I.e. Cloud Code). Totally unbecoming of a company that claims to never be the first but do it always better than the rest. This should have been a POC for a demo to the Xcode sponsor program. At best, this should have been part of the first beta — not beta 7…. First sin: someone decided to expose the chat window on the same side as the file explorer as an alternate tab. On an IDE where you can’t move things around freely like in VSCode, how one can make that design decision is beyond me. Any developer trying to use this feature, regardless of the model picked, will have to constantly physically switch between the file explorer and the chat window (or conversation window). This feels like a silly thing to crib about but it starts becoming irritating for long coding sessions. Then comes the baffling user experience where sometimes the question asked by the response from the LLM is randomly answered automatically by the IDE itself with a vague entry that says “Project context” with not much visibility into what the actual response was from the IDE. And then there are random times where the question is left unanswered and now I as a developer have to now decide how to answer the question. It almost feels to me like there is zero system prompt from Xcode itself. This will never ever compete with agentic coding tools. Apple has a lot of incompetent PMs and EPMs but this is next level garbage. Zero thought has gone into how a developer today uses these “vibe-coding” tools in their workflows. It almost feels like this was shoved down the throat of the Xcode development team for whom orthodoxy was a higher priority. Pardon my rage here because I have seen enough from inside to understand why Apple is behind in AI and it is frustrating as fuck.
tensility 1y ago
Oddly, I thought that the irony was that this was released at the same time as Anthropic changing Claude's terms of service to eliminate user privacy. So much for Apple being a privacy-first company. I guess it's okay as long as they are just piping their developers' code to a third party, eh?
elpakal 1y ago
it’s funny how much i’ve seen mods here nitpick titles, yet this one gets to slide? Not only does the title summarize one small part of this page, but it’s also a bit misleading. Models will not ship IN Xcode, Xcode can now send your code to the API.

489 points by zora_goron 1y ago

Can't each of these companies with IDE integrations slurp up the network traffic and distill Anthropic's models? If you can listen to billions of tokens a day, you can basically capture all the magic.

jasonjmcghee 1y ago
Terms of service specifically prohibits this.
- echelon 1y ago
  The companies stole that data from the world, so I don't see why we couldn't take it back.
  - TimeBearingDown 1y ago
    It's a nice sentiment. The companies with the integrations are the ones that could take it back, but they don't have the incentive to break legal agreements and share with the world. Meanwhile the creative output of humanity is distilled into black boxes to benefit those who can scrape it the most and burn the most power, but this impact is distributed amongst everyone, so again there's little incentive among those who could create (likely legal) change.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  How much of the training set comes from websites with "no automated scraping" in their terms?
adastra22 1y ago
That is not how training works…
- echelon 1y ago
  That's how model distillation works. DeepSeek is the most notable case, but it's been used lots. And the foundation model companies are scraping and exfiltrating each others' data.

varenc 1y ago

> In the OpenAI API, “GPT-5” corresponds to the “minimal” reasoning level, and “GPT-5 (Reasoning)” corresponds to the “low” reasoning level. (159135374) It's interesting that the highest level of reasoning that GPT-5 in XCode supports is actually the "low" reasoning level. Wonder why.

lukasb 1y ago
Yeah I don't get why they don't support Opus given that you're bringing your own API key.
- nezubn 1y ago
  you can use the API key, and it’ll give you access to all the model. This is Claude sign in using your account. If you’ve signed up for Claude Pro or Max then you can use it directly. But, they should give access to Opus as well.
  - natch 1y ago
    They should document it that way.

Archonical 1y ago

This is great. I've been using Xcode with a separate terminal to run Claude Code, which has been a painful setup.

kelnos 1y ago
How so? I don't use xcode, but I much prefer having an agent in its own "app" so to speak.
- jama211 1y ago
  Likely so it can auto suggest, directly edit code, integrate properly etc
spaceywilly 1y ago
I use VS Code with Claude Code, then I just use Xcode to build and launch
- heywoods 1y ago
  I’m building my first iOS app ever so I know it has much more to do with me not understanding Xcode but getting builds to succeed after making changes with Claude code has been a nightmare. If you or anyone have any tips, guides, prayers, incantations for how to get changes in one to not clobber the other and leave me in xproj symlink hell I would be so grateful.
  - Terretta 1y ago
    > any tips, guides, prayers, incantations for how to get changes in one to not clobber the other One caveman way: 1. Start your project using Xcode, use it to commit to GitHub, GitLab, whereever. In terminal, change into the dir that has the .git in it and launch claude. 2. Teach Claude Code your own system's path and preferred simulator for build testing. From then on it will build-test every change, so teach it to only commit after build passes. (By teach, I mean, just tell it, then from time to time, tell it to propose updates to claude.md in your project.) 3. Make sure before a PR or push that the project still builds in Xcode, if it doesn't, you can eyeball the changes in Xcode's staged changes viewer and undo them. If you change files via IDE, when you're back in Claude just say: I changed [specific/file, or "a lot of files"]. No xproj or symlinks get harmed in the making of your .swifts.

CharlesW 1y ago

It's available now. Here’s short but more complete context than the submitted title or the Xcode release note: https://sixcolors.com/link/2025/08/apples-new-xcode-beta-adds-gpt-5-claude-account-support/ https://sixcolors.com/link/2025/08/apples-new-xcode-beta-add...

throwawa14223 1y ago

It's getting harder to find IDEs that properly boycott LLMs.

internet2000 1y ago
Just don't use the features.
drusepth 1y ago
Ironically, you could probably vibe code your own.
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago
  Do you really think so? Have you ever explored the source of something like: https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community
  - PessimalDecimal 1y ago
    Doesn't have to. The LLM will do it! We're done with code, aren't we?
    - wfhrto 1y ago
      Code is still there, but humans are done dealing with it. We're at a higher level of abstraction now. LLMs are like compilers, operating at a higher level. Nobody programs assembly language any more, much less machine language, even though the machine language is still down there in the end.
      - ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago
        > Nobody programs assembly language They certainly do, and I can't really follow the analogy you are building. > We're at a higher level of abstraction now. To me, an abstraction higher than a programming language would be natural language or some DSL that approximates it. At the moment, I don't think most people using LLMs are reading paragraphs to maintain code. And LLMs aren't producing code in natural language. That isn't abstraction over language, it is an abstraction over your computer use to make the code in language. If anything, you are abstracting yourself away. Furthermore, if I am following you, you are basically saying, you have to make a call to a (free or paid) model to explain your code every time you want to alter it. I don't know how insane that sounds to most people, but to me, it sounds bat-shit.

aiisajoke 1y ago

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MangoToupe 1y ago
> Apple can’t even ship software that works. Hey they're doing better than anyone else.
- aniforprez 1y ago
  Big disagree. My Macbook has hard crashed into restarting more times than my PC desktop has in years. The other day I literally just closed my M2 Macbook and it for some reason just completely crashed and shut itself off.
  - airstrike 1y ago
    FWIW I abuse my M2 daily and only reboot once a year basically, and only because of some update. Something could be wrong with your specific Macbook
    - MBCook 1y ago
      I haven’t seen a crash in at least a decade of daily use. Back in the older Intel days I did sometimes, perhaps due to the GPU switching and flakey Nvidia drivers. But even then it certainly wasn’t common.
    - lanstin 1y ago
      Bad memory maybe? I also have much less trouble with my personal Macs than my personal Linux boxes (although I push the edges on beta and cutting edge software a lot more on linux, while I treat the MacOS as something I can ignore the versions of, unless they notify me to upgrade). But haven't had a abrupt reboot outside of software updates in forever (on personal macs - work mac reboots at IT's whims).
  - whatevertrevor 1y ago
    My hot take is all OSes are kinda bad for daily driving. Apple has no qualms breaking backwards compatibility for core functions like bluetooth connectivity in MacOS. Windows has backwards compatibility, but increasingly worsening UX, throwing ads and subscriptions in your face before you can even log in, and a bad security/process isolation model. Desktop Linux is a case of "how many hours before I find out a critical part of my workflow is unsupported/bad/broken/unconfigurable/pain-to-configure in this particular distro/desktop environment".

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AndyKelley 1y ago

Apple.com advertising a Mac Mini: > Built for Apple Intelligence. > 16-core Neural Engine These Xcode release notes: > Claude in Xcode is now available in the Intelligence settings panel, allowing users to seamlessly add their existing paid Claude account to Xcode and start using Claude Sonnet 4 All that dedicated silicon taking up space on their SoC and yet you still have to input your credit card in order to use their IDE. Come on...

geor9e 1y ago
To run a model locally, they would need to release the weights to the public and their competitors. Those are flagship models. They would also need to shrink them way down to even fit. And even then, generating tokens on an apple neural chip would be waaaaaay slower than an HTTP request to a monster GPU in the sky. Local llms in my experience are either painfully dumb or painfully slow.
- hu3 1y ago
  Hence the "come on".
  - geor9e 1y ago
    Not if they knew how terrible it would be.
aetherspawn 1y ago
I bet Apple are working on it, it’s just not ready yet and they want to see how much people actually use it. It’s the Apple way to screw the 3rd party and replace with their own thing once the ROI is proven (not a criticism, this is a good approach for any business where the capex is large…)
jama211 1y ago
Trust me, you wouldn’t want to use a model for agentic code editing that could fit on a Mac mini at this stage.

breadwinner 1y ago

It seems every IDE now has AI built-in. That's a problem if you're working on highly confidential code. You never know when the AI is going to upload code snippets to the server for analysis.

jama211 1y ago
Well that depends on whether you give it access or not, apple’s track record with privacy gives me some hope
tcoff91 1y ago
Neovim and Emacs don’t have it built in. Use open source tools.
- simonh 1y ago
  They both support it via plugins. Xcode doesn’t enable it by default, you need to enable it and sign into an account. It’s not really all that different.
  - renewiltord 1y ago
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    - OsrsNeedsf2P 1y ago
      If you're worried about someone accessing your unlocked computer to install LLMs, you might need to rethink your security model.
      - renewiltord 1y ago
        They could install anything. Including Claude Code and then run it in background as agent to exfiltrate data. I'm a security professional. This is unacceptable

mrtksn 1y ago

Weren’t the AI API’s converging? Why not let the users use whatever LLM they like.

user214412412 1y ago

Wow they're finally getting it. The AI breakthrough will not come from procedural generation of memojis - but rather enabling developers to use your platform. But with the nearly hostile stance of your 30% take, we will see how far this goes.

noobly 1y ago
What’s the ‘30% take’?
- willio58 1y ago
  30% of all AppStore sales go right to Apple
  - sunnybeetroot 1y ago
    15% if you’re part of the small business program.
    - pritambaral 1y ago
      What program do I have to join for 0%?
      - sunnybeetroot 1y ago
        The one where you create your own mobile operating system.
      - zer00eyz 1y ago
        The one where you collect cash directly from users, and magically make handling that have zero overhead. Credit card processing is hard... Go price out stripe + customer service + dealing with charge backs and tell me if you really want to do processing your self.
      - latexr 1y ago
        Being in the EU and releasing in an alternative marketplace.

Jaxkr 1y ago

The “Cursor for Xcode” startups just got Sherlocked…

siva7 1y ago
Were there really such startups? It's so obviously a bad idea..
- Destiner 1y ago
  There's Alex (https://www.alexcodes.app https://www.alexcodes.app), YC-backed.
- balder1991 1y ago
  Like… you’d expect a company to evaluate the potential for competition, right? But these AI companies are obviously not actual companies with any business model, most are just trying to grab some investors money while they can surf the hype. I always find this article something to get back to: https://www.inc.com/magazine/20110301/making-money-small-business-advice-from-jason-fried.html https://www.inc.com/magazine/20110301/making-money-small-bus...

natch 1y ago

Why would you limit users to Sonnet and not allow Opus when they are paying for their own account? I mean sure some people say Sonnet is good for coding but it seems needless to limit it in this way. Or they are just really slow to catch up… oh, right.

MattDamonSpace 1y ago
Another decade, another claim Apple’s behind and struggling to catch up

nsonha 1y ago

Does it have agent mode? Copilot for XCode has it and provides both GPT and Claude models, free or paid

drak0n1c 1y ago

Apple really should open it up to any model provider that has an “OpenAI-style API” by letting the user put in a base URL, api key, model id, and a few params like context limit as needed.

Razengan 1y ago
Xcode (26) already has that.

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Lammy 1y ago

Interesting to think about how Apple get to make product decisions based on Gatekeeper OCSP analytics now that every app launch phones home. They must know exactly how popular VSCode is. Facebook got excoriated for doing that with Onavo but I guess it's Good Actually when it's done in the name of protecting my computer from myself lol

wahnfrieden 1y ago
This won't make a dent. It still doesn't support any agentic operation. The real news is when Codex CLI / Claude Code get integrated, or Apple introduces a competitor offering to them. Until then this is a toy and should not be used for any serious work while these far better tools exist.
- alwillis 1y ago
  I just installed it—definitely not a toy. Compared to stock Claude Code, this version of Claude knows a lot more about SwiftUI and related technologies. The following is output from Claude in Xcode on an empty project. Claude Code gives a generic response when it looked at the same project: What I Can Help You With • SwiftUI Development: Layout, state management, animations, etc. • iOS/macOS App Architecture: MVVM, data flow, navigation • Apple Frameworks: Core Data, CloudKit, MapKit, etc. • Testing: Both traditional XCTest and the new Swift Testing framework • Performance & Best Practices: Swift concurrency, memory management Example of What We Could Do Right Now Looking at your current ContentView.swift􀰓, I could help you: • Transform this basic "Hello World" into a recovery tracking interface • Add navigation, data models, or user interface components • Implement proper architecture patterns for your Recovery Tracker app
  - ako 1y ago
    Isn’t that easy to add with some rules and guidelines documents? I usually ask Claude code to research modern best practices for SwiftUI apps and to summarize the learnings in a rules file that will be part of the SwiftUI project.

wahnfrieden 1y ago

They also upgraded the GPT-4.1 (actually a special Apple variant) to GPT-5 by default, with the option to use GPT-5-thinking, using your ChatGPT subscription. I don't know if it's a special Apple variant of GPT-5 but this is a big upgrade and more exciting than Sonnet 3.7. I also wonder if it will have separate rate limits from ChatGPT (app/web) and Codex CLI (which currently has its own rate limits).

Razengan 1y ago

I have been trying to make iOS/macOS apps for years, but god, every time I have a go at it, Apple's documentation regime is still hot garbage. Eons ago I gave up Windows development because of Microsoft's inconsistent and uncertain APIs, but MS had great documentation. Apple is the opposite. The "best" way to get the "latest" details on Apple's APIs is to suffer through mind-numbingly vapid WWDC videos with their reverse uncanny valley presenters (where humans pretend to be robots) and keep your full attention on them to catch a fleeting glimpse of a single method or property that does what you were looking for. Even 1.5x/2x speed is torture. I tried to get AIs to sift through the transcripts of their videos, and may Skynet forgive me for this cruelty. Then when you go try to use that API, oops it's been changed in the current beta and there's no further documentation on it except auto-generated headers. They also removed bookmarks from Xcode's built-in documentation browser years ago, and it doesn't retain a memory of previously open tabs, and often seems to be behind the docs on their websites. I wish they would just provide open-source sample apps of each type (document-based, single-window etc.) for each of their platforms that fully use the latest APIs. At least that would be easier to ask AIs on, since that is what they seem to be going for now anyway.

busymom0 1y ago
I pretty much had the same experience recently when I had to deal with their Screen Time APIs. Had to go through the wwdc videos because the documentation was lack lustre.
balder1991 1y ago
Something you might find useful: https://askwwdc.com/ https://askwwdc.com/
Terretta 1y ago
Ever notice Claude struggling to write Swift code? It might not be their fault! Apple Developer docs are locked behind JavaScript, making them invisible to most LLMs. If they try to fetch it, all they see is This page requires JavaScript. Please turn on JavaScript in your browser and refresh the page to view its content. This service translates Apple Developer documentation pages into AI-friendly Markdown. https://sosumi.ai/ https://sosumi.ai/

Razengan 1y ago

Does anybody know why Anthropic doesn't let you remove your payment info from your account, or how to get support from them? I bought a Pro subscription, the send button on their dumb chatbot box is disabled for me (on Safari), and I still get "capacity constraints' limits. Filed a chargeback with my bank just because of the audacity of their post-purchase experience. ChatGPT-5 works good enough for coding too. From my experience with Claude Opus it seems like it tries to be "too smart" and doesn't seem to keep up with the latest APIs. It suggested some code for a iOS/macOS project that was only valid on tvOS, and other gaffs.

adastra22 1y ago
The Pro plan ($20/mo?) is not and never was unlimited.

not_your_vase 1y ago

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent drivers, and for some reason it enabled monkey test support (but not test support). 2. I asked it to create 7x10 monochromatic pixelmaps, as C integer arrays, for numeric characters, 0-9. I also gave an example. It generated them, but number eight looked like zero. (There was no cross in ether 0 nor 8, so it wasn't that. Both were just a ring) What am I doing wrong? Or is this really the state of the art?

eggsandbeer 1y ago
Write some hooks dawg
designerarvid 1y ago
I guess many find comfort in being able to task an ai with assignments that it cannot complete. Most sr developers I work with take this approach. It's not really a good way of assessing the usefulness of a tool though.
- xoac 1y ago
  He asked what he was doing wrong?
  - _boffin_ 1y ago
    too big of tasks. break them down and then proceed from there. have it build out task lists in a TASKS.md. review those tasks. do you agree? no? work with it to refine. implement one by one. have it add the tests. refactor after awhile as {{model}} doesn't like to do utility functions a lot. right now, about +50k lines in to a project that's vibecoded. i sit back and direct and it plays. Imagine the CS 100 class where they ask you to make a PB&J. saying for it to make it, there's a lot of steps, but determine known the steps. implement each step. progress.

benjismith 1y ago

Sonnet only?

CharlesW 1y ago
I'd encourage you to read TFA, but why bother? The submitter clearly didn't either.
- benjismith 1y ago
  I read it. I also searched the page for the word "Opus" and it didn't appear anywhere. The word "Sonnet" appears, but only once. There's also "GPT-4.1 or GPT-5", but that's not what my question implied, which was that it's weird to offer Sonnet but not Opus.

aziya 1y ago

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pjmlp 1y ago

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions that used to be all about UWP with the same vigour as they are all AI nowadays, and then puff, competition took over even if they started later, because Microsoft messed up delivery among everyone trying to meet their KPIs and OKRs. I also love the C++ security improvements on this release.

jgalt212 1y ago
MSFT stock price deeply differs with your opinion.
greggsy 1y ago
Just because you can’t or won’t win the market with your opportunistic investment, doesn’t mean you should let your competitors completely annihilate you by taking that investment for themselves. Google, Apple, FB or AWS would have been suitors for that licensing deal if MS didn’t bite.
yokoprime 1y ago
CoPilot isn't anything Microsoft is trying to sell outside of their own products. And with GitHub Copilot there is no "copilot" model to choose, you can choose between Anthropic, OpenAI and Google models. Sure UWP never caught on, but you know why? Win32, which by the way is also Microsoft, was way to popular and more flexible. Devs weren't going to re-write their apps to UWP in order to support phones.
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- pjmlp 1y ago
  UWP was more than just phones, https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2015/03/02/a-first-look-at-the-windows-10-universal-app-platform/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2015/03/02/a-firs... And Windows 11 was the reboot of Windows 10X, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrmrIlgbIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrmrIlgbIc

camillomiller 1y ago

>> Coding intelligence provides inconsistent results when modifying files that contain thousands of lines. Under the known issues

adastra22 1y ago
This is true of all LLM agents. It’s a context window problem.

misiek08 1y ago

"Be ready for AIpple Revolution! We are making programming something different that hasn’t happen before! We are the first to introduce AI assisted agent coding with full integration with Siri, visionOS and so much more. New, holistic approach to creativity and efficiency"

einrealist 1y ago

Its not shipping the model in Xcode. You are still sending your data off to a remote provider, hoping that this provider behaves nicely with all this data and that the government will never force the provider to reveal your data.

ygritte 1y ago
They are already forcing OpenAI to keep all logs. Go figure.
- einrealist 1y ago
  And people talk to GPT about very private things, using it as a shrink. What can go wrong.
  - kridsdale1 1y ago
    China wishes they had that level of access to their people’s thoughts.
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marci 1y ago
Anthropic has a strong stance on privacy. They won't rug pull. /s https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45062683 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45062683 (Anthropic reverses privacy stance, will train on Claude chats)

hollowturtle 1y ago

But they won't fix the infinite number of bugs Xcode has, its slowness and subpar ux

jonplackett 1y ago

Anything’s better than the current Xcode autocomplete. My pet peeve is it will try to autocomplete any string you start typing with just random crap it thinks you might want in a string.

raxxorraxor 1y ago
I think all autocomplete solution are crappy, no matter how sophisticated the AI. It is surprising how often the obvious choice is wrong, but it often just is. I deactivated it. Generating some code is fine, but I now prefer the deterministic autocomplete for my types I have available in my current context.
- TiredOfLife 1y ago
  Maybe you have not used a good one. Even the small locall only 100MB models Jetbrains uses are fine. Codeium/Windsurf one is good.
- jonplackett 1y ago
  It now seems to be a choice of ‘let it autocomplete everything’ which because it’s shit so often is just draining and distracting. Or no autocomplete at all. I just want it to fill in the names of function and variables and enums etc. just stuff that is sometimes hard to keep in your head but such a small suggestion it doesn’t mess up your line of thinking.

suyash 1y ago

Still shocked Apple has not created thier own LLM, they have bought so many AI companies and have a rich talent pool and money so what's stopping them ?

grumple 1y ago
Maybe they figure it’s just going to be hot swappable models and they’d rather save the 10s of billions on training for a commodified service.
- hu3 1y ago
  But what about data privacy? These commodified services slurp all user data [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45062683 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45062683
CodeLikeHell 1y ago
They have their Foundational Models [1], so I think they’re focusing more on device-level LLMs than larger ones. [1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/foundationmodels https://developer.apple.com/documentation/foundationmodels
vessenes 1y ago
Terrible, terrible leadership at the top of the AI org. Plus a fundamental commitment to being a 'product first' company. This same commitment would be why I wouldn't count them out on the AI side, btw. It's not clear that a private internal foundation model is any kind of required competitive moat. It's also not clear that having one is useless, and all the cool kids do have one or want one, but from a product view it might be that integrating makes sense. Llama 4 (a terrible release) shows also that making such a model is still really hard. There are not enough ML leads at the pointy tip of the spear to support even 10 high quality foundation model teams globally. If you have billions of dollars in cash and you are secure in your customer base, and you don't believe AGI liftoff will happen or change your business model, maybe you work out the kinks on product integration now using best in breed providers, not getting locked in on one of them, keep spending 1/10 to 1/100th to stay relevant and on it internally, use your incredibly powerful silicon buying power to get a next gen version of TPUs done, and wait until you know for sure you can spend under $10bn in cash on getting a great proprietary model done, one that you are certain will serve your needs. Also this will give you time to get better leadership in the AI org. Upshot - I think it's a mix of reasons, but not fatal, I'm not sure being slow erodes their product customer base, personally I'd like much better and more private AI out of Apple ASAP. We'll see what we get. I predict they'll move internal by 2031.

thefoyer 1y ago

I haven't opened up xcode in years (thank god) I suppose this was inevitable. They have to keep up

pzo 1y ago

"Claude in Xcode is now available in the Intelligence settings panel, allowing users to seamlessly add their existing paid Claude account to Xcode and start using Claude Sonnet 4" Headline quite misleading. So not exactly that it will ship in Xcode but will allow connect to paid account.

terminalbraid 1y ago

I find the xcode experience so awful I generally keep a few terminals with some curated nvim and other tools to make up for things like anything git-related, diffs, LLM integration, etc. (fwiw the swift LSP is also pretty good) This isn't going to change my workflow at this point.

devinprater 1y ago

Yay Apple's gonna buy Anthropic and Anthropic's inaccessibility ethos will slowly infect the rest of the company. Great.

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havefunbesafe 1y ago

Why would this be an improvement to using Claude in the terminal? Xcode does not have an integrated terminal.

DiabloD3 1y ago

That's a weird way for Apple to announce Xcode is being sunset.

throwawayaiai 1y ago

I used this last night to vibe-code a simple iOS game using the GPT-5 model. I found the developer experience to be quite awful and shockingly more regressive than a CLI (I.e. Cloud Code). Totally unbecoming of a company that claims to never be the first but do it always better than the rest. This should have been a POC for a demo to the Xcode sponsor program. At best, this should have been part of the first beta — not beta 7…. First sin: someone decided to expose the chat window on the same side as the file explorer as an alternate tab. On an IDE where you can’t move things around freely like in VSCode, how one can make that design decision is beyond me. Any developer trying to use this feature, regardless of the model picked, will have to constantly physically switch between the file explorer and the chat window (or conversation window). This feels like a silly thing to crib about but it starts becoming irritating for long coding sessions. Then comes the baffling user experience where sometimes the question asked by the response from the LLM is randomly answered automatically by the IDE itself with a vague entry that says “Project context” with not much visibility into what the actual response was from the IDE. And then there are random times where the question is left unanswered and now I as a developer have to now decide how to answer the question. It almost feels to me like there is zero system prompt from Xcode itself. This will never ever compete with agentic coding tools. Apple has a lot of incompetent PMs and EPMs but this is next level garbage. Zero thought has gone into how a developer today uses these “vibe-coding” tools in their workflows. It almost feels like this was shoved down the throat of the Xcode development team for whom orthodoxy was a higher priority. Pardon my rage here because I have seen enough from inside to understand why Apple is behind in AI and it is frustrating as fuck.

tensility 1y ago

Oddly, I thought that the irony was that this was released at the same time as Anthropic changing Claude's terms of service to eliminate user privacy. So much for Apple being a privacy-first company. I guess it's okay as long as they are just piping their developers' code to a third party, eh?

elpakal 1y ago

it’s funny how much i’ve seen mods here nitpick titles, yet this one gets to slide? Not only does the title summarize one small part of this page, but it’s also a bit misleading. Models will not ship IN Xcode, Xcode can now send your code to the API.