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Though it's popularized to blame social media and phones, economics should not be overlooked. Pay for young generations is lagging and restaurants and bar price
by dv_dt 1y ago
Though it's popularized to blame social media and phones, economics should not be overlooked. Pay for young generations is lagging and restaurants and bar prices are super high. Public spaces for informal gatherings has shrunk - eg fewer malls
- Bombthecat 1y agoAnd people started to work longer and longer now. Approaching 60 hours, after that you just won't go to gym or disco
- anal_reactor 1y agoBullshit. Most people can afford grabbing a beer in a supermarket and going to the park. They just choose not to. I think the real change is that nowadays it's just easier and more practical NOT to maintain friendships. Yes, it's lonely, but it's more efficient.
- roncesvalles 1y agoDrinking outdoors (let alone at a public park) is just not a thing outside Europe.
- HPsquared 1y agoLiterally illegal in many places. Edit: including much of Europe.
- janderson215 1y agoWhich in itself is a crime, IMO.
- HPsquared 1y agoMost places do have a few dedicated areas like beer gardens. No supermarket beer allowed, of course.
- trinix912 1y agoSo it's not true freedom for everyone; you're just staying at someone's place so the local rules of public space don't apply there.
- janderson215 1y agoYeah, that annoys me as much as registering for a camping spot in a park (that doesn’t have congestion issues).
- RugnirViking 1y agowhere is it illegal in Europe? I've not encountered this yet and I've lived here my whole life. It's always struck me as a weird puritanical American thing Looked online and found maps suggesting eastern Europe has more laws relating to it, although many of them in practice don't apply
- HPsquared 1y agoNordics, Eastern parts (except Czechia), even many parts of the UK have byelaws (e.g. Glasgow). Illegal in Russia and Ukraine too.
- watwut 1y agoRussians drink anywhere and everywhere. Including cops themselves. Polish and Slovaks too. Ukraine has war related prohibition, other then that? Where exactly eastern is it not allowed (or not completely normalized to the point locals would be surprised there is such law)?
- HPsquared 1y agoMaybe they just don't follow that law, but public drinking is apparently illegal in Poland, Romania, even some cities in Slovakia apparently. Supposedly the police in Poland take a strict approach? (See wiki article "Drinking in public / By country")
- trinix912 1y ago> Eastern parts (except Czechia) Which "eastern parts"? I've never seen that rule here, but have seen people drinking in public. Do you know that or are you just asking AI to confirm your biases?
- HPsquared 1y agoMy biases were that Eastern Europeans like a drink, I was surprised to see the laws. I already knew about Nordics and my hometown, Glasgow. Public drinking is generally illegal in Poland ('police take a strict approach'), Romania, Lithuania, Slovakia (apparently not enforced in Slovakia). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_in_public https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_in_public
- 9rx 1y agoTechnically. Enforcement is nonexistent, though. Hell, I've had police officers hand me drinks in public on numerous occasions.
- axoltl 1y agoJust from my limited experience: Barton Springs in Austin is always brimming with people and Shiner Bock makes a frequent appearance. Dolores Park in SF never has a dull moment and you can buy shrooms or edibles from vendors walking around. Golden Gate Park in SF is massive and there are tons of clusters of people socializing and drinking throughout the park (especially near the Conservatory of Flowers!) Central Park in NY in many ways mirrors Golden Gate Park only its way busier. Good luck finding a spot near the south side of the park on a sunny day. You might spot a mimosa or two, three…
- esseph 1y agoAustin, SF, NYC You are talking about 3 of the trendiest places in the United States. They are anomalies, not the norm.
- carlosjobim 1y agoHow about a public beach?
- haswell 1y agoDespite often being against the rules this is absolutely a thing all over Chicago during the warmer months. Boozy picnics at the beaches, wine in plastic cups at the parks, etc. And fully sanctioned alcohol at the dozens of neighborhood street fests held throughout the year. And it’s also a thing in suburbia, where backyard coolers full of beer are common at weekend gatherings.
- DrillShopper 1y agoThis is highly regional. I live in the Midwest US. The city government sponsors floating (as in they move around, not that they're in water) beer gardens across public parks in the summer, and our local Lutheran and Catholic churches will run outdoor beer gardens and barbecues as a way to enjoy the nice weather and bring in a little money. The various state fairs also sell beer, and a local outdoor, public music festival goes through a staggering amount of alcohol consumed in public. People are out in public, often with the authorities around, drinking beer and mixed drinks out of clear plastic cups (usually) and nobody cares. It's just a summer thing.
- parineum 1y ago> This is highly regional. Maybe openly but I don't know of a place where a cop will stop you and ask what's in your red cup. Parent commenter is a narc.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 1y agoI imagine there are 3 different types of locale: * Drinking in public is legal * Drinking in public is illegal (strictly enforced) * Drinking in public is illegal (give cops discretion to arrest intoxicated troublemakers who are hollering, pestering people, or otherwise engaging in mild antisocial behavior)
- bee_rider 1y agoWe’re also talking about our perception of the law here, not the actual thing. So, the third case might include people that are worried (justifiable or both) that they’ll be more likely to get the bad side of that discretion.
- Aurornis 1y agoYou might be surprised to learn that many people in public parks are not, in fact, drinking water out of their water bottles or La Croix out of their La Croix cans. Also, drinking in public is not allowed in much of Europe. Don’t go there and assume it is. There are also many US locations and parks where alcohol is allowed.
- watwut 1y agoWhere it is disallowed? Other then nordic with prohibition?
- albumen 1y agoIreland. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal-law/criminal-offences/alcohol-and-the-law/#775974 https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal-law/c... Edit: Wikipedia page on drinking in public: "In some countries, such as Norway,[1] Poland,[2] India and Sri Lanka[3][non-tertiary source needed], some states in the United States,[4] as well as Muslim-majority countries where alcohol is legal, public drinking is almost universally condemned or outlawed, while in other countries, such as Denmark, Portugal, Spain, Germany,[5][6] the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Japan, Finland, and China, public drinking is socially acceptable."
- watwut 1y agoI find Poland suspicious. I dunno about the law, but Polish of all ages drink outside and don't think twice about it. I did it there too.
- loa_in_ 1y agoPoland lives in the era of fight against pathological alcoholism. With the advent of modern heavy machinery like forklifts (as opposed to truck beds and strong arms and backs), many workplaces became hostile towards alcohol where previously alcohol was just part of workplace culture. This lead to a huge fallout of people who either became functional alcoholic outside of work or became jobless and miserable.
- soulofmischief 1y agoIt is definitely a thing here in Louisiana. Drinking in public or while driving is a proud tradition. Take a trip to New Orleans for the extreme end of it, but we have drive-through Daiquiri shops all over and at least half of the people I grew up with have at least one DUI and I've never thought twice about being outside with a drink in my hand, as rarely as I do drink (I do refuse to drink and drive and am constantly lecturing others about it out here)
- smith7018 1y agoUnrelated to the conversation at hand but a strange fun fact is that it's actually legal to drink while driving in Mississippi and the Virgin Islands.
- multjoy 1y agoIn a lot of jurisdictions, the offence isn't drinking while driving, it's having a blood/breath alcohol level above a certain threshold.
- SoftTalker 1y agoSavannah Georgia is another example. Taking a "traveler" when you leave a bar is pretty common.
- deepfriedchokes 1y agoWe call these “roadies” where I live.
- pb7 1y agoHuh? It's very much a thing in California.
- anal_reactor 1y agoNeither is public access to quality education. Your point?
- freehorse 1y agoReplace alcohol with whatever is more culturally appropriate and you can definitely include a strict superset of europe in the statement where it definitely happens. The thing discussed is hanging out, not alcohol. I would be more concerned about lack of accessible public spaces.
- kjkjadksj 1y agoAbsolutely a thing in socal
- fipar 1y agoI guess TIL South America is a part of Europe :)
- watwut 1y agoI have seen it done in China. A lot.
- danlugo92 1y agoMy man it's a thing in like most of asia and latin america, how can you be so confident yet so wrong at the same time.
- mlinhares 1y agoI assume you've never been to Latin America.
- tekno45 1y agoignoring data for your feelings is how we got here.
- Den_VR 1y agoSo, who are you going to go drinking with at the park? And in reverse, you’re visiting the park and see someone there drinking. What’s your impression?
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- ruszki 1y agoThe same people with who I drink in pubs in other times. Which happens quite frequently because it’s completely legal where I live. Also almost everybody does it. So nothing extra compared to people who are drinking in pubs.
- shawabawa3 1y agoThis is very cultural In London on sunny days the park is 100% rammed with people sitting in circles on the grass drinking, from like noon to sunset
- Den_VR 1y agoFor sure. As others mentioned some locals have gone so far as to make drinking in public illegal. Now in your example, suppose you’re a lonely stranger. Do you just nudge in on a circle with your beer and “Hi I’m Shawa” ? Your answer may be yes, but in other cultures that’s going to get the police called, or maybe end in a stabbing. Which is why society is in the state it’s in
- exe34 1y ago> Bullshit. Most people can afford grabbing a beer in a supermarket and going to the park. They just choose not to. In the UK, most councils have made parks alcohol-free zones. Also, the parks are only nice about 3 months a year. The rest of the time it's damp and miserable.
- shawabawa3 1y ago> In the UK, most councils have made parks alcohol-free zones Uh, citation needed? Some small parks, cemeteries, kids playgrounds maybe Every large park in London at least is full of people drinking There's even a kids playground next to a pub in London fields where I often go drinking with other parents while the kids play
- throwaway22032 1y agoThey are just being daft. Most of the UK has laws or bylaws at least against antisocial drinking e.g. if you're being a twat, violent, homeless, etc you will be asked to pour it out and leave, in incredibly rare cases I guess you might be fined but probably not. Just having a beer in public at a picnic with friends is fine and is a national pastime.
- haswell 1y ago> Yes, it's lonely, but it's more efficient. It doesn’t make much sense to me to put loneliness against efficiency. What does it matter if it’s “inefficient” to maintain friendships of the easily is a lonely life without social connections? People are prioritizing the wrong things IMO.
- anal_reactor 1y agoLife is about gathering resources and using them to reproduce. Humans like being social because for thousands of years it was more efficient to do that socially. Nowadays it's not.
- throwaway18373 1y agoTo be able to disregard efficiency in one's life is a privilege—one that is not afforded to most.
- haswell 1y agoMy point more broadly is that it doesn’t make sense to frame this as merely a matter of efficiency, nor was my claim that one can just ignore efficiency. Humans need a variety of things to live happy lives. Strong social connection is as important as food in the long run when considering the overall health and survival of the species. Clearly not everyone has the same access to resources and there’s a spectrum of experiences available as a result. I think this lack of resources at the bottom is an existential risk. But what I find interesting is that people with resources are just as lonely as people without in many cases. Almost everyone in my extended circles laments the decline of social connection in their lives, and many of these people certainly have the resources. I think we’ve gotten lulled into a stupor by the social media / internet content drug, and it takes just enough of the edge off of our need for social connection they we don’t properly feed it anymore. In the short term, we kinda survive living “meh” lives. What worries me is the long term impact on social cohesion.
- esseph 1y agoPublic intoxication laws in the US prevent that in a lot of places
- kjkjadksj 1y agoThey go unenforced unless your party looks like a pack of belligerent teenagers. I drink in public all the time. Cops don’t like doing paperwork unless their hand is forced.
- esseph 1y ago"Why take the risk?" You end up on video for drunkenness with police, and assuming they don't shoot you or beat the fuck out of you, the video still ends up on the internet. The next day at work, you quickly get called in to talk to your manager and HR, and now you have to find a new job. Time to find a new job! And in this market? Not worth the risk. Now companies are searching for New Hires on social media, and guess what? Your video pops up. This is why people stay at home. Nobody trusts one another, or most of the institutions.
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- in_cahoots 1y agoI was going to disagree with you as that hasn't been my experience, but I think you're actually on to something. The younger generation doesn't drink as much as they used to. I'm sure I would have thought twice about some of the things I did in college if every person present had the potential to film me and post it on the internet, ending my career before it even started. It's better prevention than DARE or prohibition could ever be- the risk of having one single mistake recorded and available for everyone to see for the rest of your life.
- kjkjadksj 1y agoYou’d have to be trashed and making a huge scene for that to ever play out like that.
- Uehreka 1y ago> Most people can afford grabbing a beer in a supermarket and going to the park. This is illegal in almost all of the USA. Sometimes you can get away with it, but if the cops decide to enforce the law on a particular day you’ll get a ticket.
- throwaway98797 1y agounless you’re a kid or obnoxious police are quite reasonable made up fears are stealing your joy
- untrust 1y agoThese are not made up fears, this is illegal behavior and breaking the law means risking hefty fines and a criminal record. Drinking beer in a park is not worth the possible consequences
- coffeefirst 1y agoIt also varies wildly by jurisdiction and local attitudes towards alcohol. I’ve lived in places where it’s basically tolerated so long as everyone is civil and discrete. I’ve also lived in places where they enforce it to the letter and they’re not messing around. I think people forget how big and messy the US can be.
- Uehreka 1y agoOh not my joy, back during Covid I must’ve done this dozens of times over the course of a year so I could hang out with my friends. However I’m pretty sure we only got away with it because cops just weren’t looking at all since aside from us, the park was fully empty. On the whole I would not use the term “reasonable” to describe police. They’re power tripping infants who love to lord authority over people, and to the extent we get away with things it’s because they’re also lazy.
- AngryData 1y agoYou either live in an extremely privileged and wealthy area or have not dealt with US police before. You don't get 25% of the world's prison population by being "quite reasonable"
- vincnetas 1y agoWhen mall is called a public space... Public space situation is really sad.
- Hoasi 1y ago> When mall is called a public space... Public space situation is really sad. Absolutely, but still, that is a reality in many cities. They are places where "going to the mall" is the main form of entertainment left.
- chubot 1y agoUh I grew up in NJ suburbs in the 80’s and 90’s - that was already the case, and there was a hit movie 3 decades ago about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mallrats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mallrats (But malls are much less popular now, probably mainly due to the rise of Internet retail)
- fugalfervor 1y agoMallrats grossed 2 million against a 6 million budget. It wasn't a "hit"
- fakedang 1y agoIronic that the US is embracing Middle Eastern culture (specifically the Gulf countries). Honestly it's funny when Americans criticize cities like Doha and Dubai for being lacklustre and cultureless when most American tier-2 cities and towns are boring af. I've been told in some towns and suburbs that the best thing to do for leisure was to visit the local Walmart.
- saagarjha 1y agoI don't think Doha or Dubai are "tier 2" cities of the Middle East.
- pizzly 1y agoI don't know if all places are the same but one time when we were working on laptops at a mall in a common area we were told by security guards 1 hour later to leave so not sure if they can be considered public areas.
- socalgal2 1y agoThis doesn't match my experience. In fact one thing I noticed living in Japan is how much more willing people are to spend money to meet up. Lots of events costs 3000-7000 yen. Clubs and bar have a cover charge. People will organize parties where they rent a bar and tell their friends it's 4000 yen each (about $27 currently but was closer to $40) in the past. They'll even have house parties and tell everyone to pitch in 1000-2000 yen. In the states, my experience is even a $5 and people will complain. The point being it's culture not economics. In fact Japanese generally make less money. IT salaries are in the $50k range. Minimum wage is $7.5 Yet they still go out.
- bapak 1y ago> they still go out It's vastly cheaper to go out in Japan, even if there are more expensive options. Not many cheap hangout options in a lot of places.
- dfxm12 1y agoThis is more a function of dense population centers. Having lived in many places, I went out more in the denser areas. There are more options and they are all up and down the price spectrum. In sparse areas, going to the same few options over and over again isn't fun, and they tend to be more expensive, maybe due to lack of competition.
- armada651 1y agoIt's a result of mix-use neighborhoods. In Tokyo your house is usually in the middle of a neighborhood that includes restaurants, shops and other businesses rather than a suburb completely devoid of everything except single-family homes.
- Den_VR 1y agoThis is a big part of it. Or more generally, zoning and the cost of housing (now investments) is behind many socioeconomic issues in 2025.
- eboynyc32 1y agoPeople have plopping themselves in front of a tv for 100 years. Now you can talk to your tv and it talks back.
- bebeskids 1y agoParks, libraries are cheap and free and they're dead where I live, a metro area of 2+ million The only people I see out are families with grandpa in tow to pay for a mediocre overpriced wood fired pizza. No one has analog skills. Just social analysis skills. Very briefly dated a 39 year old who admitted she had never baked, boiled, or microwaved her own potato. Already got 2 kids. We reach endgame sooner in life. We grind all the content immediately because we aren't growing the potatoes and sewing the clothes, weaving textiles.
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- andrepd 1y agoParks and libraries are always full where I live, a metro area of 1.5mil.
- bilbo0s 1y agoPhew! I thought I was weird or something? Parks, public pools, libraries and museums are the main things we do as a family. We also live in a metro of about 1.5 M. Maybe other metro areas charge for parks, libraries and museums? Especially museums now I think about it? Museums in small metro areas can be free. Likely because there's nothing in them. (Still fun, just not as many exhibits as museums in large metro areas.) I mean, just imagine trying to run something like the Museum of Science and Industry, Museum of Natural History, or the Field Museum for free. I'm thinking at some point they would break down and have to start charging?
- jhbadger 1y ago> I mean, just imagine trying to run something like the Museum of Science and Industry, Museum of Natural History, or the Field Museum for free. While it is possible they'll get gutted and/or forced to charge admission in the current craze to cut government funding, by far the best museums in the country -- the Smithsonian ones in DC -- are absolutely free to visit.
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- mgraczyk 1y agoThis isn't true in the US. Young people in US consume much more of those things you listed than people over 40 did at the same age. Young people have more purchasing power than previous generations. EDIT: Data from the fed and payroll providers show this overwhelmingly to be the case, but just to add some color/anecdote. I found all of the first jobs I had in highschool and just after. 3/3 of my first roles now advertise a minimum salary over twice what I was paid 14-18 years ago. Prices have gone up around 20-30% since then overall so I would have had 40% more purchasing power today with the same jobs.
- kjkjadksj 1y agoA night out literally costs 5x as much as 10 years ago
- mgraczyk 1y agoFirst, young people make a lot more than they did 10 years ago (both nominally and inflation adjusted). Second, no it does not cost 5x as much, closer to 15-20% more based on all the data I could find. Anecdotally in San Francisco, NYC, and Austin it is maybe 2x more at the most expensive places. EDIT: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LEU0252882200Q https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LEU0252882200Q
- TheOtherHobbes 1y agoThis would be more convincing if you quoted data. Nothing on FRED suggests you're correct.
- Buttons840 1y agoThe average age of first home owners has risen to 38. In another decade or two the American dream will probably be to buy a house when you're 50 and then settle down, get married, and have a family. I wonder how that's going to work out?
- fzzzy 1y agoNarrator: It did not work out.
- NoLinkToMe 1y agoPart of this is simply a function of the average age. There's a much bigger squeeze of life events when everyone dies at 60 instead of 90. We become older, meaning our life events are stretched out further, we leave school later, begin work later, buy a house later, have kids later, retire later, die later. Secondly, within the population the share of old is becoming bigger, meaning the average buyer is older, and also the average age of first buyers is older. If you look through the statistics we are actually richer in terms of housing than ever before. There's two stats: home size, and persons-per-house. In the past half century or so, home size doubled while persons-per-house dropped by 25%. So we live in bigger homes and share them with fewer people, housing-per-person has been increasing decade after decade to the point it's almost 3x what it was since the war.
- randomNumber7 1y ago> have kids later This doesn't work for women.
- NoLinkToMe 1y agoYes it does, women have been getting children later and later. There is a natural limit to this of course, but that's true for everything and everyone.
- latentsea 1y agoThat seems to be working out really well.
- waaaaaaaaahhhh 1y ago(Scene: People meeting on an "internetscreen" and bs'ing around) So if any type in just some big names... like that with the madonna true blue CD selling 1986 for US$40,- per CD, how do you think her and the studio label became richier, and specially founding a Copyright-war just after the ridigious pricedrops (around 2001/-2)? +++ Ask: Do you made the populous take from you? Mark? > You virtually starve them doing so. Oh. > Muahahaha! +++ Now let me disturb You, 1st:) You consumed content, you have created content, now the machine kicks in creating content consuming you. 2nd:) Machines programming kicks in while consuming you - just a random guy on the internet said: "App deals are the way to go if you are 'cheap' and wanting to die fast." Conclusion: Many can't pay for anything anymore, cos no work left via been consumed by AI (-absorbing), so even changed in-app-advertising for "better products" will result in prices no one in the masses may be able to pay anymore. And quality of "food" ('stuff for thought' you may think) needed for experience so (tough capitalistic view, as before in the scene told above) may sank more and more, to meet ends, prices... And no, it wasn't my intention to write something that damned mixed up dark-and-ugly-thinking...but ...yet i did, or consumed it, hey there it was... and sure, "via easy distractions!" ^^ Regards...
- NikolaNovak 1y agoIs the change universal? In 90s in Europe, my socializing was predominantly "walk down to the pedestrian zone and meet your friends for a walk". Not sure how it is there these days - Canadian social life today is indeed highly correlated with movies / restaurants / expenses.
- trinix912 1y agoI'm one of the people who do that nowadays (I'm also from Europe). I've friends who find no problem with just sitting in a public park / square, but the amount of other young people I see doing that seems to be going down year by year. Slightly, but steadily. Same with bars, at least in my city, most bars have raised prices significantly due to tourism. Wages for student jobs have gone up (the minimal student wage almost doubled in the last 5 years), but not at the same rate as prices at bars, restaurants, and cinemas.
- malux85 1y agoAbsolutely the case here in NZ - in the last approx 1 year restaurant and bar attendance has plummeted as cost of living rises.
- ojosilva 1y agoNah, they could just throw cheap BYOB parties with plastic cups with your name written on it, but they don't anymore: https://www.derekthompson.org/p/the-death-of-partying-in-the-usaand https://www.derekthompson.org/p/the-death-of-partying-in-the...
- mjevans 1y agoHousing, transportation, TIME and energy to even go and do things. Let alone the insane costs of gathering. Even solo hobbies are in decline. The war on attention that began with mass media and has accelerated through Television and the Internet to Smartphones has not been good for a society not ready for it. None of those TOOLS are evil things. It's how they're allowed to be used by corporations who bombard people's attention all the time.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoParks and trails are/were non commercial meeting spaces. City recreational parks in America used to have water fountains and cool stuff like climbable sculptures for kids and decommissioned Korean War era fighter jets in sand pits. That all went away with the helicopter parents.
- giantg2 1y agoStill plenty of those sorts of things around me. Maybe this varies by state.
- amake 1y ago> That all went away with the helicopter parents Insane to blame parents when Republicans have been destroying all manner of public goods for the last however many decades.
- vel0city 1y agoThey definitely didn't all go away. My kids still play on a tank in the middle of the playground nearby. And I can't imagine any parks around me without water fountains. Where are these places where playgrounds don't have climbable structures and parks don't have water fountains? Maybe you should vote differently or move.
- fugalfervor 1y ago> That all went away with the helicopter parents. I want you to complete that thought. Stay with it. Explain exactly how the helicopter parents are responsible for removing the things you liked in American city recreational parks.
- StopDisinfo910 1y agoI think a culture which views suing for everything as legitimate and the very peculiar and frankly weird specificity which enabled it to - the existence of punitive damages and them going to the other party - has a lot more to do with it than helicopter parenting. I always find it surprising that American lament the death of shared spaces - because that’s what public spaces are - when it’s pretty obvious that they don’t actually want to spend time with each other. I mean two comments under this one you will find a commenter explaining that the situation is to be blamed on the other half of America they dislike. Well, that’s not very conductive to an environment where public spaces thrive.
- giantg2 1y agoIt's probably a role that varies by location or group. There are cheaper ways to hangout and be social. A 30pk and garage/basement/woods can usually be had for pretty cheap. College students are notorious for being cheap and also social.
- saidinesh5 1y agoEven more the reason to socialize and share the bill instead of ordering in/cooking for one no?
- imtringued 1y agoWe have an economic system that is actively hostile to new generations because the idea behind neoclassical economics is that you have an endowment you turn into money to buy things, but that very endowment isn't passed onto younger generations in a guaranteed fashion due to rising inequality. As a member of the younger generations you notice that everything is owned by the older generations, which means you have to beg the older generations to let you live in dignity. But this doesn't end once the younger generations turn into the older generations, because their parents also suffered the same problem, which means they might have enough for themselves, but they didn't have enough to pass down for you, leading to a spiral of immiseration. Smart parents notice this pattern and decide "If I was unwanted and my children are or will be unwanted, then how about I don't have any at all?"
- nazgulnarsil 1y agoWe have eliminated the ability to discriminate against those displaying anti-social behaviors or commons damaging externalities in the name of fairness, leaving monetary discrimination the only remaining legally viable recourse and are destroying every other form of commons.