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Samsung embeds IronSource spyware app on phones across WANA
- ggm 1y agoWould sufficient people change purchase decisions in ways which they could recognise this as a root cause?
- nguyenkien 1y agoThere not much of choice if you don't have money.
- Zak 1y agoUsed premium phones often cost as little as new entry-level phones. There may be some markets where things get weird because of carrier subsidies though.
- like_any_other 1y agoIt's time to start treating such actions, including/especially when done by corporations, as criminal hacking or an act of war, because as many commenters noted, that is what it amounts to. It's frustrating seeing the consequence be an open letter, where if an individual did this, there would international warrants issued against them.
- aszantu 1y agoCouldn't get rid of some assistant that I would have to have registered with Samsung last phone. When it broke I switched over to a used Nokia. Little bit less convenient but I wish they wouldn't keep pushing that annoying spyware stuff on us... I'm perfectly fine to just use my phone for browsing and staying in touch with ppl... Why the f. Do I need Google Assistant which I also can't cancel...I swear, next phone will be one of those bricks for the elderly...
- AbuAssar 1y agoIronSource spyware is made by an Israeli company
- 31337Logic 1y agoSoooo... What do y'all recommend if I want to run a rooted Android phone? Seems like our options are becoming more and more limited each year. :-(
- Henchman21 1y agoThe manufacturers will continue to take user choice away until users start tossing their devices in the trash. Sooner is better IMO.
- djrj477dhsnv 1y agoPixel with self-built userdebug version of GrapheneOS. (It's quite easy, just modify one step of their published buiod instructions.)
- autoexec 1y agoSamsung embeds spyware on every device they sell in the US too, we just don't have any privacy laws to stop them.
- midtake 1y agoSupply chain compromise is maybe one of the most cyberpunk aspects of modern security. It's not mathematical but it depends on allegiances, power, and money. Is it too late to introduce cryptographic verification into the supply chain in a way that the customer can be secure, or is it too late and a cyberpunk dystopia is the only future? Can mathematics change the meta?
- codedokode 1y agoGood to learn this. Was considering buying Samsung because it seems to be the only non-Chinese [non-spyware ridden] smartphone under $150. But what choices I have left now. Maybe buy a phone that can be reflashed with something open source. And of course I don't keep anything valuable on the phone, do not login anywhere, do not install apps etc. It is an untrusted device because it does not run Linux.
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- CriticalRegion 1y agoThe article and the post title make it sound like Samsung phones come with NSO software preinstalled and a drone strike is making its way to your living room. It's adware bloat. It's a privacy nightmare. It's predatory on the part of the OEM, be it Samsung or Lenovo or Microsoft or all the other OEMs that preinstall bloatware. It happens to be Israeli (though even that's not true - Unity is an American company). There's no need to present it as anything less than what it is, it is enough of a scandal already. Fear mongering using the words "Israeli Spyware" just undermines the very just point being made.
- whacko_quacko 1y agoWhile I generally agree that it's disingenuous, this framing could activate the reflexive hate against Israel that many people share and actually get something done. Would be funny if antisemitism led to good outcomes for once
- sneak 1y agoBuying a device that only runs OEN Android is ridiculous for this exact reason. We need to decouple phone hardware from phone software, as we did with computers.
- bilkow 1y agoWe do, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Many banking / government apps and even some games use the Play Integrity API, which AFAIK is starting to require remote attestation for newer devices. As it's usually not viable to opt-out of those, the solution seems to be having a separate device.
- watusername 1y agoFortunately (or unfortunately depending on your perspective), Play Integrity is bit of a joke at the moment thanks to a group of OEMs who just can't seem to secure their private keys. Unrevoked keyboxes are publicly available.
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- AlotOfReading 1y agoBecause the link is down: https://web.archive.org/web/20250506145643/https://smex.org/open-letter-to-samsung-end-forced-israeli-app-installations-in-the-wana-region/ https://web.archive.org/web/20250506145643/https://smex.org/... The article leaves out quite a lot about what AppCloud is, but it's essentially how Samsung monetizes their non-flagship device users and can do things like insert installation advertisements into the notification tray, and silently install apps. Personally, if I found this on my device it'd be the final straw to grit my teeth and finally get a personal apple device.
- andrewflnr 1y agoOr just don't get Samsung? I guess I don't know for sure that my phone brand doesn't do anything similar, but it at least hasn't hit the news yet.
- boramalper 1y ago> AppCloud—pre-installed on Samsung’s A and M series smartphones. Samsung’s A and M series smartphones are their cheapest models so their buyers probably cannot afford better phones. I don’t know of any other brands selling in the region with similarly priced models that have better privacy practices than Samsung either—they’re all the same at that price point I’m afraid.
- hedora 1y agoLooking around, you can get an A series or unlocked iPhone 13 new from a prepaid mvno for $0. A refurbished iPhone 13 is $300 on amazon, which is close to the cheapest M ($250). I can’t find new 13’s for sale except via budget carriers. (Sent from my 12 mini which is better than all that followed it: $200-ish for excellent condition, refurbished.)
- bigyabai 1y agoYou're better off getting a preowned Pixel to flash with a secure ROM in this scenario. Getting an iPhone won't help if you if later down the line Apple decides to push an OTA update that forces the same functionality. A Pixel won't protect you from every vulnerability, but it goes much further towards stopping these sorts of attacks than the iPhone does. Now hey, I won't suggest that Apple would stoop as low as Samsung has here. But discerning customers might not want Tim Apple's phone if he's been cozying up to a crusty politician that can remember to stay for dinner but can't recall his name.
- akersten 1y agoIn my experience, Samsung is a label that means "stay far, far away." From the Galaxy Note fiasco to my microwave to my dishwasher to ... Probably at least three other products before I learned my lesson. I even refuse to buy QD-OLED monitors out of indignation that Samsung makes the panels. Maybe I'm alone but maybe one day we'll boycott lousy companies out of business.
- Gigachad 1y agoSamsung phones have been filled with preinstalled spyware since the beginning. Outside of fairly unusable Linux phones, Apple seems to be the only one taking privacy seriously.
- compootr 1y agomanufacturers aside, grapheneos and lineage work well because of Google's work on their phones
- sitzkrieg 1y agoapple privacy is marketing but ok
- newdee 1y agoAll marketing? None of it is real? Citation?
- int_19h 1y agoIf it's mostly marketing, why was Facebook so up in arms about forced opt-in for tracking in iOS?
- Grimeton 1y agoBecause Apple blocks everybody else from spying on you but Apple themselves are still perfectly spying on you. And not just that, by disallowing all other apps to get their hands on your data you even tell Apple which data it can sell for a higher price because it's only available via Apple and noons else... Let that sink in.
- grishka 1y agoThe "unremovable" part is inaccurate. While you can't completely remove it because it resides on the system partition, you most probably can still disable it with an adb command: adb shell pm uninstall --user 0 com.package.name This command is very powerful as it works for any app, even those that have "disable" greyed out in the settings. I disabled the Galaxy Store on my S9 this way for example.
- subscribed 1y agoIt's not trivial for most and will most likely get reenabled after the firmware upgrade.
- catlikesshrimp 1y agothat doesn't work for every package. Some packages aren't authorized to be disabled this way, i.e. you can't disable them this way. * Some packages can technically be disabled this way, but they cause unrelated issues like the phone wasting processing resources, even overheating the device; or bootloops. * Less relevant, but the package is disabled, but removed. The system can still reenable it, reinstall it, or upgrade it. * Edit: I can't find a way to format this. It shows as a text block.
- dotancohen 1y agoOK, I see that one can get a list of all installed packages via adb: $ pm list packages How does one know which are safe to disable? In the sense that there won't be unexpected side effects. Besides, not all the names make clear exactly what the package is for.
- Shocka1 1y agoEach one needs inspected one by one - but there is always the chance that package names have been purposefully obfuscated. It's really quite the uphill battle.
- awaisraad 1y agoDo you know if the same apps remain installed in "Secure Folder" as well?
- gmerc 1y agoIf anyone needed another reason to stay the fuck away from Unity
- boramalper 1y agoI suspect a strong link between mass surveillance (by corporations for advertising or by states for intelligence purposes) and the very recent targeting of the senior Iranian nuclear scientist and military officers at their homes in Iran. Wherever you are from or whatever side of the conflict you are on, I think we can all agree that it’s never been easier to infer so much about a person from “semi-public” sources such as companies selling customer data and built-in apps that spy on their users and call home. It allows intelligence agencies to outsource intelligence gathering to the market, which is probably cheaper and a lot more convenient than traditional methods. “Privacy is a human right” landed on deaf ears but hopefully politicians will soon realise that it’s a matter of national security too.
- htowi3j4324234 1y agoIf a state actor is after you, cookie and GAIA-id tracking should be the least of your concerns.
- VagabundoP 1y agoWhat always shocks me is how much negligence is shown by politicians and cyber inteligence wrt to standard mobiles. Anyone who runs a country, especially senior politicians, just shouldn't have a standard mobile. It should be a built from the ground up phone by your own countries government services. Running GrapheneOS or something. And you shouldn't have a second phone to have your affairs either.
- yapyap 1y ago> “Privacy is a human right” landed on deaf ears but hopefully politicians will soon realise that it’s a matter of national security too. lol. lmao even. this is the holy mary of security, politicians (US) will not give a damn as long as they’re not the ones being targeted and as long as the ad giants like google and co keep lining their pockets.
- Tokumei-no-hito 1y agomaybe the recent attack in minnesota will change their mind - the shooter used data brokers for his plan https://www.wired.com/story/minnesota-lawmaker-shootings-people-search-data-brokers/ https://www.wired.com/story/minnesota-lawmaker-shootings-peo...
- the-anarchist 1y agoAs this post is trending quicker and more than I would have expected it to, I would like to add to this story: It appears to be a similar case across the MENA region. While the SMEX post primarily focuses on WANA, it is possible to find other reports (e.g. [1]) from the MENA region that describe similar practices by Samsung. There, however, the stories talk about "Aura", rather than "AppCloud". [1] https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2025/06/212144/samsung-embeds-israeli-surveillance-app-on-phones-across-mena/ https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2025/06/212144/samsung-embe...
- eddythompson80 1y agoWhat is the difference between WANA and MENA. Sounds like the same territory
- the-anarchist 1y agoYes, but, no. It's one of these things where multiple terms mean the same thing but then again come from different times/areas and, upon closer inspection, mean different things. But they're the same. But not really. [1] A.k.a. I tried to be as politically correct and cite the term used by the respective reporting. The main point I was trying to bring across was that apparently there are two apps involved, not only a single one. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_and_North_Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_and_North_Africa
- eddythompson80 1y agoAh, I see. Trying to find a way to include Pakistani, Afghanistan, Somalia i.e non-Arab or Persian Muslim states in the vicinity.
- averysmallbird 1y agoSame same. SMEX is based in Lebanon — (S)WANA is an obnoxious term that’s going around for MENA.
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- userbinator 1y agomaking it nearly impossible for regular users to uninstall it without root access, which voids warranties and poses security risks Stop parroting the corporate propaganda that put us into this stupid situation in the first place. Having root access on devices you own should be a fundamental right, as otherwise it's not ownership.
- perching_aix 1y agoDidn't we backslide hard enough at this point that it is now architecturally ensured that there is a security downside to rooting? Prevents verified boot for example, since the attestation is tied to said corporations, and not you.
- fc417fc802 1y agoAFAIK that's true for many vendors but for example Pixels (and IIRC also OnePlus at least a few years ago) you can relock the bootloader with other keys. The crazy thing is that on all the devices I've had AVB is implemented on top of secureboot. Being able to set your own secureboot keys is bog standard on corporate laptops. The entire situation makes absolutely no sense. Also for the record I think it's a silly attack vector for the average person to worry about. A normal person does not have secret agents attempting to flash malicious images to his phone while he's in the shower.
- perching_aix 1y ago> AFAIK that's true for many vendors but for example [on] Pixels you can relock the bootloader with other keys Oh that's pretty cool, wasn't aware. > The crazy thing is that on all the devices I've had AVB is implemented on top of secureboot. Being able to set your own secureboot keys is bog standard on corporate laptops. The entire situation makes absolutely no sense. Hold on, could you elaborate a bit on this? I thought it was an either/or type deal cause they do the same thing.
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- ingohelpinger 1y agowe need a satslink now!
- OutOfHere 1y agoSamsung currently has an unremovable spyware app on North American phones that pastes (records) everything copied to the clipboard by any app. It is the Samsung Keyboard app. It cannot be removed. It doesn't matter if you're using any other keyboard app. Samsung Keyboard pastes (records) everything that gets copied to the clipboard by any app. The Samsung Keyboard app cannot even be disabled from Android. As an aside, I recall getting a lot more ads when I used Samsung Keyboard.
- noisy_boy 1y agoSometimes I will see a small random "copied" floating notification (not in the notification tray) and I always wondered where it came from. Maybe they have put in some code to suppress it but due to some bug, it leaks out. No proof but I can only hypothize.
- bapak 1y agoEvery day it feels like regulators need to increase enforcement by an order of magnitude. For every fine they dish out, 10 more abuses go unnoticed.
- logicchains 1y agoThe regulators work for the same governments and intelligence agencies that are making companies add such clandestine spyware.
- stevenhuang 1y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/samsunggalaxy/comments/mtakqq/how_to_disable_the_clipboard_history_this_is_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/samsunggalaxy/comments/mtakqq/how_t... Yeah, all Samsung software is a liability. Don't even get me started on the Samsung smart TVs. Just horrible all-around.
- spinlock_ 1y agoThats why my Samsung TV has no internet access and I'm using Apple TV instead.
- Atlas667 1y agoTHEY WILL TARGET YOU too if you ever find yourself against western and/or Israeli interests. Capitalist technologies are the surveillance state incarnate. They must study people in order to manufacture consent. Remember democracy is majority rule, when have you ever had true control over your political destiny? You KNOW the answer is never. Democracy =/= trust. Democracy = control.
- v5v3 1y agoMany 'democracies' are not democracies, as you can only really vote for one of 2 parties. The system is fully designed to supress smaller parties and independents. Only countries with regular coalition governments can be classed as a actual democracies.
- Atlas667 1y agoThe will of the masses is NEVER enacted. This is what bourgeois capitalism is. Oh you like phones? Well our phone companies require us to directly or indirectly create proxy wars in this region in order to acquire the raw materials necessary. This is the democracy of western nations: policy hidden behind capitalist interests that the people engage with through consumption. Its democracy for the rich not for the millions of us. That's why they NEED to manufacture consent, in order to get you on board with murder and fabricated poverty in order to have goods and services.
- beeflet 1y ago>Oh you like phones? Well our phone companies require us to directly or indirectly create proxy wars in this region in order to acquire the raw materials necessary. I think that is the will of the masses. I've got this fairphone in my pocket that has a replaceable cobalt-free battery and a replaceable OS for a reasonable price. But people by-and-large don't want fairphones, they want iphones. The third worlders fighting over cobalt don't want peace, they want wealth for themselves. People don't want niche third parties and alternative stuff, they want to be part of a larger cultural group. Captialism is based on individual voluntarism, and the problems you describe are not caused by manufactured sentiment but a lack thereof. The problems are caused by the distributed actions of a silent majority, as opposed to some greater rational plan.
- thenthenthen 1y agoAppCloud, developed by the controversial Israeli-founded company ironSource (now owned by the American company Unity) Yes the Unity 3D engine company wow.
- willtemperley 1y agoSo Unity can now be considered malware by association.
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- hoppyhoppy2 1y ago>Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. >Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- Dah00n 1y ago"lol" comments are not worth the energy.
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- TiredOfLife 1y ago"Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize."
- theyinwhy 1y agoShould we expect to have trojans in every unity game now?
- ArtTimeInvestor 1y agoI sometimes think that "track record" is the main value of Google and Apple. They have been around for decades, and except in their own interest to collect data for themselves, I am not aware of any blatant privacy violations of these companies. And one can hope that in their own interest, they keep it that way. That's not great, but it's better than the other companies. I don't see how any company can compete with this unless they somehow figure out how to make a vastly superior product.
- bapak 1y agoWhat's your definition of "collect data for themselves?" Because both do, albeit in substantially different amounts.
- ArtTimeInvestor 1y agoCan you elaborate on those "substantially different amounts"?
- dgb23 1y agoWhat about PRISM? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM
- ArtTimeInvestor 1y agoDo Apple and Google have a choice to legally opt out of it?
- danparsonson 1y agoWhat difference does that make to the outcome? If anything, being automatically subject to that without any option is worse.
- Zak 1y agoYes, by incorporating end-to-end encryption in their services.
- Abishek_Muthian 1y agoEven in India the entry level Samsung phones are subsidised by bloatwares, Unfortunately there’s not many options for an entry level phone with regular updates. So the question is who would we like to be exploited by?
- ehnto 1y agoSamsung Phone on Australia, it was present on my device also. So not just West Asia and Africa. I was able to disable it but not remove it, unclear if it will re-enable itself. It had sent about 35mb of data since March 1st, and was enabled as a background service.
- ahmedfromtunis 1y agoDid try to see if using blockada (or similar apps) to block the apps access to the internet would work or cause and side effects (like other core apps not loading, ...)?
- 0rzech 1y agoSame thing in Europe and North America. AppCloud is present on Samsung devices. Sometimes from the get go, sometimes after system update, sometimes after security update (the irony of that!). Carrier-locked or not, it doesn't matter. Sometimes it's visible only after switching the "Show system applications" toggle on application list in device settings. There are many people reporting that their Galaxy S series phones have it too. This AppCloud stuff is absolutely outrageous!
- mightyrabbit99 1y agoThe only phone brands that I am aware of which sells phones that are able to be rooted are Samsung and Xiaomi. I'm also in need of a phone that has an SD card slot so I don't see myself switching to any other brand.
- TZubiri 1y ago"AppCloud is developed by ironSource, an Israel-founded company (now acquired by American company Unity)" I did not expect the thing I made games with as a teen to be involved in a global war.
- anshumankmr 1y agoI observed this when I purchased a Samsung phone in 2022. My phone cost 35K INR. Even I found it alarming, apart from having bs apps pre-loaded. Switched to an iPhone a year or so later. Never looked back.
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- bdavbdav 1y agoIs this where we discover we’ve got another Pegasus preloaded.
- hd4 1y agoit's now a case of choosing between who you least care about spying on you - think I'll choose a Chinese phone next time, at least they're not currently engaged in genociding children
- danparsonson 1y agoThey're currently engaged in doing all kinds of awful things that we know about, and no doubt lots of even worse things that we don't. Try looking up Xinjiang, Tibet, or the Falun Gong for a taste. There are no innocent world superpowers.
- Dah00n 1y agoNo, but China has a better track record than the US.
- danparsonson 1y agoI disagree; I think all we can really say about China in this regard is that they have more control over the press.
- anticodon 1y agoWas situation in Tibet really good before China came? I've recently learned that movie "7 years in Tibet" is full of lies, starting with the fact that the main character was hardcore Nazi follower in real life. There are a lot of things that we don't know because media are not interested in enlightening people. They are interested in pushing the current agenda. E.g. Tibet was a poor feudal state with slavery, but you won't easily find this information, because all you can find now if you search for it is: "China is bad, bad, and Tibet is very good, enlightened people, very warm and kind". It is not like that.
- danparsonson 1y ago> Was situation in Tibet really good before China came? Well I imagine there was a lot less persecution by the Chinese government at that time. > media are not interested in enlightening people You're right, the media in China are mostly or exclusively mouthpieces for the state.
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- msgodel 1y agoI've given up on smartphones. They're all unacceptably bad and for the most part take value out of your life rather than adding it. I own a $50 Android tablet just for the required certificates to run DUO for work and other than that just use a UMPC with a modem card and VOIP for everything.
- djrj477dhsnv 1y agoThere is a lot of bad, but GPS maps (Google Maps for business reviews and public transport info and OSMAnd for hiking tracks) is extremely valuable to someone who travels a lot. And as much as I hate sending all the data to Google, their Translate app is indispensable for communicating in non-English speaking countries.
- msgodel 1y agoMarble-QT works fine for OSM maps on Linux, if you run gpsd you can even use a GPS receiver and have the pin move around with you, I used this to help survey some land I bought recently. Google Maps's search/review works fine on the web, I'd imagine the experience is probably nicer on the web than mobile. Qwen and gemma both run locally on Linux and are excellent for translation.
- djrj477dhsnv 1y agoThat's good to hear. I've been meaning to see how far I can get using a setup like that. What device do you use?
- msgodel 1y agoI use a gpd win max2. I think they have a smaller device with an optional built-in LTE card now although it has worse battery life (this one isn't great.) In retrospect I think I would have preferred something with a small celleron CPU to the AMD.
- v5v3 1y agoSamsung is a South Korean company. South Korean needs USA to protect it. Consider everything from South Korea to be under the blessings of the NSA.
- nottorp 1y ago> AppCloud, developed by the controversial Israeli-founded company ironSource (now owned by the American company Unity) Unity the ones doing a game engine?
- detaro 1y agoyes: https://investors.unity.com/news/news-details/2022/Unity-Announces-Merger-Agreement-with-ironSource/default.aspx https://investors.unity.com/news/news-details/2022/Unity-Ann...
- nottorp 1y agoSo in addition to the licensing controversy, it's a good idea to assume any Unity game contains spyware now?
- Iolaum 1y agoA user may not be able to uninstall it, but can they disable it?
- angst 1y ago1. Open Settings on your phone. 2. Scroll down and tap Apps. 3. Look for AppCloud in the list of apps. If it’s not visible, tap the three-dot menu in the top-right corner and choose Show system apps to find it. 4. Once you’ve found AppCloud, tap it, and then tap Disable to stop it from running. https://hackerdose.com/tips/remove-appcloud-from-samsung/#:~:text=1.%20Open%20Settings,it%20from%20running. https://hackerdose.com/tips/remove-appcloud-from-samsung/#:~...
- rs186 1y agoUser can uninstall via adb (computer required).
- xchip 1y ago> AppCloud, developed by the controversial Israeli-founded company ironSource (now owned by the American company Unity), is embedded into devices We have new spyware coming from Israel, let's update the list: - Pegasus - Candiru - QuaDream - Cellebrite - Paragon Solutions - Nemesis - AppCloud
- yahoozoo 1y agoThat feel when you’re going to make an Israeli spy joke then read the article headline and it’s ACTUALLY about an Israeli spy operation.
- mellosouls 1y agoEditorialized title. Even the original calls it bloatware not spyware.
- reccy 1y agoThis article has basically no technical details and scant evidence for the claims made by the authors. It's rage bait that is intended for emotional reaction rather than a curious and intelligent analysis.
- hamdouni 1y agoI think this is an open letter addressed to Samsung, not an article trying to convince readers... Perhaps, the takeaway can be the call for transparency as a minimum ?
- viktorcode 1y agoFact of life: cheap Android phones are funded by ads. Same holds true for TV sets.
- noisy_boy 1y agoThe only thing that is stopping me from switching to an iPhone is file level access and Syncthing - is that a solved issue? Anyone care to share?
- armsaw 1y agoYes, for ~7 years now the Files app has existed. Sandboxing is still a thing. Möbius Sync and Synctrain are the options for Syncthing. Both work, neither are official (nor is the currently-maintained Syncthing fork for Android).
- mousethatroared 1y agoNot in this field but, if you're willing to sacrifice performance for security (by avoiding closed, western, hardware) how hard would it be to for a group of top hardware and software engineers to make a secure smartphone? Id gather you could go very far with the following list: - Proved correct micro kernel - Encrypted messaging by default - Encrypted memory - Encrypted messaging between processes. - hardware switches for modems, peripherals and battery
- Henchman21 1y agoTechnical feasibility one way or the other is meaningless in the face of the power of Capital. IMO, Capital won’t allow the creation of devices it cannot control. So truly secure devices are a pipe dream — again my opinion.
- mousethatroared 1y agoI'm talking about a nation state doing this to communicate using cell infrastructure it has physical control
- elternal_love 1y agoI believe a proven correct micro kernel for a production system in smartphone scale is a sufficiently complex engineering task.
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- Grandeculio 1y agoI found the app on my Samsung phone but I also found something interesting. Go to Settings->Apps and find the app in the list. Click "Configure in AppCloud" and then click "Personal Data". A form shows up where you can request access to the data or request a deletion of the data. I just requested access to my data, received an email confirmation where I had to click a link. I am curious to see what they will send me (if they will send me anything).
- chrisjj 1y ago> Click "Configure in AppCloud" Not found on this Samsung phone.
- Grandeculio 1y agoThere was mention of GDPR so maybe this only exists for EU phones. --- I just received the data inside an email. It is just a HTML file with the headers "Data Privacy Report" and "Aura Up Privacy Report" but other than that it is empty. Obviously this is all just bullshit to pretend to comply with GDPR.
- chrisjj 1y agoBut we have GDPR here in UK too. Who is the email sender?
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