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Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta
- josefritzishere 2y ago[flagged]
- bazalia 2y agoIs it just me or is this post very low on the hacker news order even though it has much more upvotes in a short time than much of the posts above it.
- dang 2y agoThis is in the FAQ: see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#whyrank https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#whyrank ("Why is A ranked below B even though A has more points and is newer?"). But here's a longer answer. In the case of a story like this, which has significant new information (SNI) [1] on a major ongoing topic (MOT) [2], and at least some hope of a substantive discussion, moderators sometimes turn off the user flags on the story [3] so that it can spend time on HN's front page. In such cases, we usually adjust the degree to which we turn off the flags so that the tug-of-war between upvotes and flags isn't affected too dramatically. Usually the best way to support a substantive discussion is for the story to remain on HN's front page, but not in the highest few slots, where it would burn much hotter. Since upvotes and submission time are public data but flags aren't, it can appear like a story is being downweighted when in fact the opposite is the case, as with this thread. That's not a rule, though—we do also downweight stories sometimes. That's why the FAQ explains that you can't derive rank from votes and time alone. The reason moderation works this way, btw, is that HN is a curated site [4] (and always has been—here's me explaining this when I took over HN 11 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7494621 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7494621). Moderators' job is to jiggle the system out of the failure modes [5] it would otherwise end up in if the software were running unattended. Turning off flags on certain stories, and adding downweight to other stories, are two examples. The goal is the same: to support substantive discussion on interesting stories, and (as a necessary condition for that) prevent the site from burning too hot if we can. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22significant%20new%20information%22%20by%3Adang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20major%20ongoing%20topic&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20turn%20off%20flags&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [4] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20curated%20site&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... [5] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22failure%20modes%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- bazalia 2y agoThank you for the detailed and professional response. I'm glad I learend something new out of this as I was ignorant about the complexities of managing HN post rankings.
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- suraci 2y ago[flagged]
- Qem 2y agoArchived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20250411170102/https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/leaked-data-israeli-censorship-meta https://web.archive.org/web/20250411170102/https://www.drops...
- MPSFounder 2y ago[flagged]
- mperham 2y ago[flagged]
- robertoandred 2y ago[flagged]
- cool_dude85 2y agoIs it possible for a country where 80% of the population is black to be a white ethnostate?
- MPSFounder 2y agoThe leadership is Jewish. You can argue America in the early 1900s during Jim Crow was not technically segregated and disenfranchised. Looking at facts without context is very misleading. The leadership themselves described their neighbors as animals. It is a nation based on dehumanization for the establishment of a religious ethnostate (hence the law of return aimed at Jews and not Muslim or Christian arabs for instance). Making any excuse on behalf of Israel is frankly mind-boggling. It is a tale of the slave feeding his master. Although many Americans stood for South African apartheid, so it comes as no surprise when fed propaganda, most of us will choose what to believe. Part of me wishes we exposed more of those Israeli farms etc, but it will come at a dear price if you do so (remember Congress is controlled by AIPAC, and they will throw the book at you if you do)
- ethbr1 2y ago>> The data show that Meta has complied with 94% of takedown requests issued by Israel since October 7, 2023. Nice to see Zuckerberg taking free speech as seriously as he claims.
- natch 2y ago[flagged]
- Cyph0n 2y agoTell me: how do you define “actual” genocide when the goalposts keep moving and the top courts responsible for prosecuting genocide keep getting ignored and (in the case of ICC) sanctioned? At this point, anyone with even an ounce of awareness & empathy should realize that international law is dead until further notice.
- dingnuts 2y ago[flagged]
- skyyler 2y ago>You will also understand then, that the Jews defending their ninety mile strip by the sea are actually in their last stand in a fight for survival stretching back 1000 years It's really hard to keep this kind of rhetoric going when we have the internet showing us videos of hospitals being bombed. That's not defense.
- fortran77 2y ago[flagged]
- skyyler 2y agoI think it's a little presumptuous to call anyone that criticizes Israel an "islamist". Plenty of people that aren't Muslim would like to see the bombing of hospitals to stop. Plenty of people that aren't Muslim would like the ceasefire to actually be respected. Plenty of people that aren't Muslim are upset about the tens of thousands of children that have been killed in Israeli strikes.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago[flagged]
- rtkwe 2y agoOk don't follow those people then? Or mute their posts from your timeline? There are tools you can use to take responsibility for your own feed. My tool of choice is to just never scroll on the main feed on the rare times I do go to FB at all because the feed is 90% engagement slop from super safe pages I don't follow. Either way your personal preferences don't justify the mass suppression.
- hackerknew 2y agoI don't follow any of those people. But, I literally get ads for Palestinian causes on facebook from fake charities.
- cool_dude85 2y agoClick downvote, or don't read them, or since this is FB put the little angry face emoji on it. Just don't have a state apparatus dedicated to whining to the mods to please delete this post!
- zombiwoof 2y agoThat’s like following the NFL but complaining if the Cowboys are discussed too much.
- DAGdug 2y agoIf everything that anyone cared to not see was censored, there’d be no content on the internet. Also, not smart to conflate (lack of) personalization with government-induced content moderation.
- googlryas 2y agoI'd like to see examples of actual posts that were taken down, rather than talk of the quantity, or who filed the reports.
- mef51 2y agoThe HRW report[1] goes into details, at least on the 1050 takedowns they documented > A Human Rights Watch (HRW) report investigating Meta’s moderation of pro-Palestine content post-October 7th found that, of 1,050 posts HRW documented as taken-down or suppressed on Facebook or Instagram, 1,049 involved peaceful content in support of Palestine, while just one post was content in support of Israel." [1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-instagram-and https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/...
- PathOfEclipse 2y ago[flagged]
- smt88 2y agoIf a human rights org were highly critical of Russia but not Ukraine, is that a bias as well? Reality isn't politically neutral.
- PathOfEclipse 2y agoBias means you're more likely to amplify facts in your favor and discount those against you. I said nothing about reality. I 100% agree that the political left is far more detached from reality than the right, especially when it comes to the Israel-Hamas conflict.
- TimorousBestie 2y agoI cannot read your paywalled Atlantic link, but the other link is an account from an aggrieved ex-employee and should also be taken with a grain of salt.
- zombiwoof 2y agoPeople still use Facebook?
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- ben_w 2y agoPersonal anecdote: whever I log in to the feed, 1/3 of posts are ads, 1/3 are algorithmic recommendations, and 1/3 are pro-Palestine posts by a former partner. Almost none of my other connections post anything, though there are occasional exceptions.
- muddi900 2y agoGroups and Marketplace They ate still very popular
- zombiwoof 2y ago[flagged]
- drdeca 2y agoI don’t know what Islam says about this, but the Old Testament certainly speaks of God allowing enemies to do things to Israel (by which I mean biblical Israel — I don’t intend to express any position on the relationship between that country and the current day country ) for various reasons. So, if Islam’s view of things is similar, I don’t think this would be a refutation? (Now, to be clear, I believe that Islam is false. But I’m not convinced that “bad things are happening to them” is something they would have reason to conclude is good evidence for it being false. Of course, one could just see this as another instance of the question of theodicy (“Why does God allow bad things to happen?”), and I’m not sure this instance of it makes the question particularly more difficult to answer? Though I suppose if Islam includes claims about like, always winning or something, or always winning conditional on X,Y,Z when X,Y,Z are true, then it would contradict that.)
- dang 2y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly, and we've already asked you more than once to stop. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- randomNumber7 2y ago[flagged]
- iAMkenough 2y agoThere's also financial incentives from pro-Israel PACs to classify any pro-Palestine opinion as antisemetic, which I could see Meta accepting.
- MPSFounder 2y agoVery true. We just had training that mentioned any criticism of Israel would make some coworkers feel uncomfortable and thus is considered antisemitism. It is ridiculous
- pydry 2y agoMost accusations of anti semitism in the western public sphere are made by genocide-endorsing racists.
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- aucisson_masque 2y agoI like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you end up with most media complying with the official story pushed by government and friends, and most people believing that because no one has the time to fact check everything. One could argue that the difference with russia is that someone can actually look for real information, but even in russia people have access to vpn to bypass the censorship. Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Since everyone goes on mainstream media and they enforce the government narrative, you can't speak there. you are merely allowed to speak out in your little corner out of reach to anyone, and even then since most people believe the government propaganda, your arguments won't be heard at all. The more i think about it, the less difference i see.
- gooosle 2y agoThe difference with Russia is that they are much worse at hiding their corruption and censorship.
- rchaud 2y agoRussia doesn't bang the drum of "free speech" ad nauseam the way US social media magnates do.
- gooosle 2y agoSure, the 'free speech' propaganda is a conscious part of the (better/more effective) public opinion manipulation playbook.
- tryauuum 2y agoTrue. I was born in Russia and to be honest I wish Russia would at least "bang the drum of free speech" as well. If you pretend to have some values you actually make people start to believe in them a bit
- janalsncm 2y agoSo when the government pointed to the disproportionate support for Palestine on TikTok vs Instagram, it was actually because Instagram was suppressing it. It is ironic. https://x.com/hawleymo/status/1717505662601609401 https://x.com/hawleymo/status/1717505662601609401
- nashashmi 2y agoAnother reason why TikTok has to come under US ownership. How else are we going to censor things when they are under China’s (lack of) control?
- square_usual 2y agoAnd conversely, another reason why Trump's tariffs on China are a bone-headed move. They are not going to sell TikTok while the tariffs last, and the popular demand for it makes banning it a non-starter.
- bradly 2y agoExactly. China demands Apple Maps be ran on Chinese servers by Chinese workers. I would expect current U.S. administration to be frustrated with these imbalances as surveillance state measures increase. These imbalances were less important when there was less interest in information and truth suppression.
- bradlys 2y agoAt least for all the surveillance the Chinese do - the standard of life is improving overall. We don't even get that shit here in the US. Our life just gets worse by practically every measure as the years go on and we're taken advantage of on top of it.
- cj 2y agoWhat benchmark are you using for standard of life?
- mjevans 2y agoI think my country (USA) would be healthier if a common sense viewpoint was selected and held. Conflicts are always terrible, and the Eurasia / Africa region countries are particularly brutal. Every citizen of every country has a human right (in a civilized civilization / society) to live a life that does not involve violence. A life where they are not worried about RPGs, bombings, (etc,) or military invasions. Some sources of conflict involve places which various (different) religions hold as sacred / holy. Those sites should become UN world heritage locations and be managed by the UN in ways that only allow non-military peaceful access for any who want to visit. With respect to Gaza my personal opinion remains unchanged. Both an innocent civilian people who suffer, and a terrorist government, remain in that region. The civilians should be evacuated. The terrorists who remain after (or whom are caught and found guilty in a trial) should be purged. The country should then be cleaned up, rebuilt, and returned to the innocent people along with a training-wheels UN supported government that brings stability, peace, and prevents a resurgence of hate and terrorism. In a few generations the country can grow more stable and graduate from the guided government structure. That would be not just a two state solution, but a two states and global peace sites solution.
- devilbunny 2y agoI just don't see a way that a two-state solution works. A three-state solution might be feasible (Gaza and West Bank governed separately), but then you have to deal with internal Israeli politics, and I really don't know enough about them to make even an educated guess about how hard it would be to get that through (I would imagine very, but like I said, I know very little about their politics).
- Workaccount2 2y ago[flagged]
- mjevans 2y agoThat seems wasteful and excessive. Could you elaborate on the upsides of this proposal? They are not obvious from my perspective.
- bufferoverflow 2y ago[flagged]
- MPSFounder 2y agoRealistically, how can we uncover this type of foreign interference? As in, is there any hack someone in our community can perform to expose Israeli propaganda? Israel locked journalists out of Ghaza, and has pretty much dominion over social media in the US. How can someone remain informed or expose misinformation campaigns (ideally without repercussions, which is a dangerous control they have over our gov)?
- JKCalhoun 2y agoMeta could start by being transparent when they are asked to take down a post and could be transparent when they comply.
- disgruntledphd2 2y agoThey have released this data for at least ten years at this point. That's one of the sources the Human Rights group used.
- elihu 2y agoOne defense against it might just be to actively crawl Facebook and externally record the contents of posts as soon as they're posted. Then you have a record of everything that got deleted. I don't know how you scale that up to make it easy for everyone to find "disappeared" content on any platform. Maybe some kind of peer-to-peer system where everyone's browser cache basically acts as a searchable archive, with a browser plugin that inserts a button into web pages to show disappeared content. (It's also worth noting that probably a lot of content that was removed by moderators was removed for a legitimate reason. So, ideally you'd have some sort of crowd moderation to get rid of the stuff that really is spam or hate speech or whatever.)
- hackerknew 2y ago[flagged]
- Capricorn2481 2y ago[flagged]
- hackerknew 2y agoCase in point. Even the mainstream media does not tell what is actually happening in Gaza, despite the many journalists on the ground there, and you heard "genocide" and immediately think - or "know" - that is something that Israel is doing.
- Capricorn2481 2y ago"The abundant evidence of genocide is just Iran tricking you" is not the take I thought I'd see, but here we are. We are in a thread about how pro-Palestinian posts are being suppressed. You seem to be under some illusion that people who disagree with you are unaware of how content affects them. But what you're proposing is being a contrarian. I am not going to drink lead paint because the social media tells me not to. That Israel gave another state perfect ammunition to demonize them does not make what Israel's doing any less real. That's just a dumb mistake they made. I can monitor what content is making its way to me, because I don't trust Iran either. I am aware that things will be exaggerated and misreported. But I am going to evaluate evidence, not throw everything out the window.
- fortran77 2y ago> The October 7th attacks were a gift to Israel's government, so they could gaslight the world into thinking the horrible shit they were already doing was to stop Hamas. What did the village of Masafer Yatta do to them? This is one of the most disgusting, vile statements I've seen on hacker news.
- Capricorn2481 2y ago
- ajb 2y agoThis sort of thing has happened before in the US: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/05/how-the-robber-barons-hijacked-the-victorian-internet/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/05/how-the-robber-b...
- plsbenice34 2y agoWhy is the word Israeli removed from the title? and Meta added? Seems like quite a politically-important modification
- Maken 2y agoThe problematic point here is that Facebook is more than willing to obliterate certain topics and political views when requested, not which ones or by whom orders in particular.
- dang 2y agoEdit: ok you guys, all your responses have convinced me that I misread the room, and I'm going to reverse the title edit now. -- original reply: -- I did those title edits to (marginally) reduce the flamebait effect of the title, in keeping with standard moderation practice (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Titles have by far the biggest impact on discussion quality, so this is a big deal. Especially when the topic is divisive.
- alistairSH 2y agoThe entire endeavor was orchestrated by Israel - that’s kinda the point here. Meta didn’t act on its own, as the edited title would imply.
- dang 2y agoI know, but for HN purposes, the point I made about titles is the higher-order bit. Threads like this, at best, waver on the edge of a hell pit. If it plummets in, the discussion won't stay on HN's front page anyhow. Title de-baiting is a way to support having a discussion that doesn't completely suck, to the extent that this is doable.
- jiggawatts 2y agoThank you for your efforts to preserve the qualities of one of the few bastions of organic discussion on the Internet.
- switch007 2y ago[flagged]
- dang 2y agoNo, what it proves is that users will flag unsubstantive flamewar posts on Hacker News, regardless of the topic or the commenter's position on the topic. This is a good thing. Posts like your comment here break the site guidelines badly*, and the users who flagged it were quite correct to do so, regardless of your (or their) political opinion. * for example, this one: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.", and this one: "Don't be snarky.". Can you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop doing those things? We'd appreciate it.
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- esseph 2y agoCome back in a generation and ask the Palestinians what their experiences were like.
- somedude895 2y ago[flagged]
- turnsout 2y agoMark needs to go
- jsheard 2y agoI think he has a majority of the voting shares, so nobody can get rid of him unfortunately. Meta is too big to fail and Zuck is set to be dictator for life if he wants to be.
- abeppu 2y ago... so while we were all worried about TikTok, being owned by a Chinese company, would be a vector for that government to push a skewed/propagandized stream of content on the world, Meta has already been doing it for a foreign government despite not having foreign ownership.
- brewtide 2y agoIt's all skewed, obviously. It's all about alignment.
- submeta 2y ago[flagged]
- megaman821 2y agoSince service is manditory for most Isrealies, that just mean the 100 Isrealies in a company of 74,000 employees and somehow that is a conspiracy?
- submeta 2y agoThese are people having stronger loyalty to Israel than to the US. Also, would US conpanies employ people with strong ties to Russia, knowing they would suppress any criticism of Russia‘s war in Ukraine? Apparently that’s what these Meta employees with strong ties to Israel did: Suppress any criticism of Israel‘s apparent war crimes in Gaza, for which there are arrest warrants from the ICC.
- 9283409232 2y ago> knowing they would suppress any criticism of Russia‘s war in Ukraine? This is a leap in logic. You have no idea that they would know they would do this.
- submeta 2y agoAhh, that‘s why university presidents were fired because they allowed students to protest against Israel‘s war crimes in Palestine? But no Meta employee is fired for suppressing criticism of war crimes?
- 9283409232 2y agoFor all the illegal or immoral things Meta employees do and do not get fired for, this is very low on the list.
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- nahuel0x 2y agoJust like IBM on "IBM and the Holocaust" (a must read). A genocide being supported by the US companies / media just in front of our noses.
- nova22033 2y ago>Meta’s Director of Public Policy for Israel and the Jewish Diaspora, Jordana Cutler, has also intervened to investigate pro-Palestine content. Cutler is a former senior Israeli government official and advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Concerning...as another billionaire would say
- rcbdev 2y ago[flagged]
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- tdeck 2y agoThey really proved you wrong on this one.
- garbagewoman 2y agoWho is “they”?
- tdeck 2y agoWhen I replied to OP their post had already been flagged and downvoted to nothing. I had to vouch for it as I have seen the same thing.
- OhioMan2943 2y agoMy submissions on this issue have been routinely flagged, even when it is objective technology x this current crisis
- jmyeet 2y agoThe role of the media (including social media) is to move in lockstep with US domestic and foreign policy. This has been known for some time [1]. It's never as simple as the White House calling up Mark Zuckerberg and saying "hey, silence X". It's about a series of filters that decides who is in the media and who has their thumb on the algorithmic scales, as per the famous Noam Chomsky Andrew Marr interview [2] ("What I'm saying is if you believed something different, you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting"). Noam Chomsky is a national treasure. When a former Netanyahu adviser and Israeli embassy staffer seemingly has the power to suppress pro-Palestinian speech on Meta platforms [3], nobody should be surprised. If you're a US citizen who is a journalist critical of a key US ally, that ally is allowed to assassinate you without any objection of repercussions [4]. This is also why Tiktok originally got banned in a bipartisan fashion: the Apartheid Defense League director Jonathon Goldblatt said (in leaked audio) "we have a Tiktok problem" [5] and weeks later it was banned. Tiktok simply suppresses pro-Palestinian speech less than other platforms. [1]: https://chomsky.info/consent01/ https://chomsky.info/consent01/ [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvGmBSHFuj0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvGmBSHFuj0 [3]: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/metas-israel-policy-chief-pushed-removal-pro-palestinian-instagram-posts-report https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/metas-israel-policy-chief... [4]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/16/israeli-forces-killed-abu-akleh-without-justification-un-inquiry-says https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/16/israeli-forces-kil... [5]: https://x.com/Roots_Action/status/1767941861866348615 https://x.com/Roots_Action/status/1767941861866348615
- cypherpunks01 2y agoHey this Chomsky guy seems pretty smart! Would be great to get him on mainstream media sometime.. hah
- rdtsc 2y ago> It's never as simple as the White House calling up Mark Zuckerberg and saying "hey, silence X". The government got so comfy it really got to be that easy: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/zuckerberg-says-the-white-house-pressured-facebook-to-censor-some-covid-19-content-during-the-pandemic https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/zuckerberg-says-the-wh... (Aug 27, 2024) > White House, “repeatedly pressured” Facebook for months to take down “certain COVID-19 content including humor and satire.” > The officials “expressed a lot of frustration” when the company didn’t agree, he said in the letter.
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- tdeck 2y agoNot a surprise. I remember last year seeing that posts to https://www.birdsofgaza.com/ https://www.birdsofgaza.com/ were being blocked, and it's hard to think of a more innocuous way of speaking out.
- Ecstatify 2y agoIt’s not only about suppression; it’s about cultivating fear around expressing your opinions. There are groups actively working to have individuals fired for voicing support for Palestine. For instance, a woman wrote “Freedom for Palestine” in Gaelic on LinkedIn, prompting a group of Israelis in a WhatsApp chat to actively coordinate efforts to get her fired. The General Manager of Wix, Batsheva (Levine) Moshe, responded in a WhatsApp chat saying: “Hi yes we know. Being taken care of since it was published. I believe there will be an announcement soon regarding our reaction.” Wix were orderd to pay €35K for unfair dismissal. ref(s): https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-information https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-inf... https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/israeli-tech-firm-ordered-to-pay-e35000-to-irish-employee-fired-for-calling-israel-terrorist-state-1652426.html https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/israeli-tech-firm-ordere...
- gryzzly 2y agodo you feel like it is “Israel’s war on Gaza”? Does that represent reality fully? Is that what children should be taught, that there is a demonic people that kills children? You don’t see any problem with omitting the massacre of israeli civilians, the captured hostages and many thousands of rocket launches towards densely populated civilian communities? is that how we achieve peace in your view?
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- tdeck 2y ago> Do you feel like it is “Israel’s war on Gaza”? Does that represent reality fully? No, I didn't write the text on that website. I'd describe it as Israel's genocide in Gaza.
- anonfordays 2y ago[flagged]
- shihab 2y ago"Meta has complied with 94% of takedown requests issued by Israel...Meta removed over 90,000 posts to comply with TDRs submitted by the Israeli government in an average of 30 seconds...All of the Israeli government’s TDRs post-October 7th contain the exact same complaint text, according to the leaked information, regardless of the substance of the underlying content being challenged. Sources said that not a single Israeli TDR describes the exact nature of the content being reported"
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- shihab 2y agoWhat exactly did you mean by "globalists"? who do you refer to by "they"? Sorry if I got your sentence wrong, but terms like these are routinely used by some truly awful anti-semites, and I sincerely hope Pro-palestinian folks stay clear of those people and their vocabularies.
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- skyyler 2y agoHRW is funded by donations. More than 75% of its financial support comes from North America. If you are alleging that Qatar is motivating the ideology of a human rights organization, I don't think that's true at all.
- dang 2y ago> You are lying Please make your substantive points without attacking others. If someone else is wrong or has a bad argument, it's enough to post correct information or a better argument. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- skyyler 2y agoI suppose I should have included a source for the 75% number. https://web.archive.org/web/20090722190606/http://www.hrw.org/en/node/84512 https://web.archive.org/web/20090722190606/http://www.hrw.or... Apologies for missing the mark there.
- jmathai 2y agoWhere did you read they are funded by Qatar? Some quick searching indicates that's false. [1] https://www.hrw.org/financials https://www.hrw.org/financials [2] https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/human-rights-watch/ https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/human-rights-watch...
- breppp 2y agoHRW was caught in the past soliciting donations from Saudis in return for restricting their Middle East reporting [1] Project Raven, a UAE offensive cyber operation has leaked a document by the Qatar government concerning financing of HRW [2][3] [1] https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/human-rights-watch-took-money-from-saudi-businessman-after-documenting-his-coercive-labor-practices/ https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/human-rights-watch-took-... [2] https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/1700763578-human-rights-watch-under-fire-for-allegedly-accepting-millions-in-qatar-funds https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/1700763578-human-... [3] https://www.memri.org/reports/raven-project-leaks-alleged-qatari-support-3-million-euros-human-rights-watch https://www.memri.org/reports/raven-project-leaks-alleged-qa...
- DAGdug 2y agoJust want to call out that the head of the trust and safety/integrity division, Guy Rosen, is an Israeli citizen with a strong pro-Israel bias. He’s also a person of questionable morals. From Wikipedia: “ Guy Rosen and Roi Tiger founded Onavo in 2010. In October 2013, Onavo was acquired by Facebook, which used Onavo's analytics platform to monitor competitors. This influenced Facebook to make various business decisions, including its 2014 acquisition of WhatsApp. Since the acquisition, Onavo was frequently classified as being spyware, as the VPN was used to monetize application usage data collected within an allegedly privacy-focused environment.” That Meta considered his questionable ethics a feature not a bug, and repeatedly promoted him, is very problematic.
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- frob 2y agoI was there during the onavo scandal. It was straight up spyware. They would regularly show graphs of snapchat usage vs messenger vs whatsapp and the snapchat data was explicitly attributed to onovo logs.
- mmooss 2y agoIt's a conspiracy theory. Plenty of Israeli citizens support Palestinian rights and are opposed to what their government is doing. The guilt by association leads to things like antisemitism and anti-Palestinian hate and all the rest.
- edanm 2y agoIn what way is this a conspiracy theory or guilt by association? I don't think it is. (Except maybe the statement that he's an Israel citizen, though I think in this context it's a legit statement to make.) The parent post explicitly makes two separate statements - 1. that he's an Israeli citizen, and 2. that he has questionable morals. I don't necessarily agree with the second statement, but it's explicitly not saying he's immoral because he's Israeli (guilt by association).
- seydor 2y agoFacebook's boss has repeatedly shown that he's an amoral hypocrite , most blatantly after Trumps election. I m not particularly sympathetic to palestinians but what's going on here. Its not just Israel, facebook has succumbed to authoritarian governments like Turkey in the past. The ubiquity of facebook and its monopolies are directly contradicting the spirit of democratic Constitutions worldwide. What's the point of guaranteeing freedom of expression when a single entity/person controls the attention of billions and billions of people. I think we need a rethink of freedom of press laws in the age of international monopolies.
- bawolff 2y agoThe missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israeli government to be mostly concerned with incitements of violence against its citizens. In the context of this conflict i would expect such incitements to be mostly be made by the demographics cited in the article due to the nature of the conflict. The article seems like it could be entirely consistent with take downs being used appropriately. It needs more then this to prove its headline. Heck, from this post we dont even know relative numbers. How does this compare against take down requests from other groups?
- janalsncm 2y agoIf you have valid rules but in practice only enforce them against a single group, then in some sense you are asking the wrong question. In other words, for people who assume rule enforcement is supposed to be fair, they see unfair enforcement as hypocrisy. However, if you just see enforcement as another tool to wield against enemies, hypocrisy is irrelevant. What matters is power. It’s my basketball, I make the rules.
- bawolff 2y ago> If you have valid rules but in practice only enforce them against a single group I'd agree. Is there any evidence that that is happening here? The article reports on israeli take down requests but does not report on take down requests from other groups. Meta could very well be using the same rules against pro-israel groups, we just dont know because the leak didn't include that information.
- MasterIdiot 2y agoanecdotally Meta has pretty lax moderation against anti-palestinian in Hebrew, allowing tons of extremely racist/violent speech.
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- xp84 2y agoEdit: I'm deleting most of my post, to avoid politics part and only preserving my "point" Basically I'm saying: Nobody has a right to free wide distribution of their thoughts on social media anyway, and also, those who provide these free ad-supported platforms have many reasonable motivations to remove content -- including the belief that the speaker is wrong/spreading lies and propaganda. That doesn't 'silence' them any more than not letting them into my house silences them.
- onionisafruit 2y agoIt would be interesting to see a random sample of these posts. I know any sample they released would be groomed to make them look good, but it would be interesting if it were possible.
- basisword 2y agoFair enough, but the social media companies should be honest about it. Instead they brag hypocritically about free speech. I disagree with you though. These global social media platforms have an incredible amount of sway over our society. As long as they have that reach, they should not be allowed to distort and silence.
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- yieldcrv 2y agoIt’s good to suspect that but the article distinguished Although did not quantify I think it isn’t helpful when Israel designates all teenager and older males in Gaza as Hamas militants, even their own hostages because of the shares phenotypes, heritage, genetics Makes consensus impossible
- adhamsalama 2y agoGood thing nobody cares what you suspect. Try writing something insightful instead.
- dvdhnt 2y agoSalty much? I’ll assume you wear scarves and burn teslas
- spencerflem 2y agoJudges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" (read- supportive of peace in Palestine). They are literally arresting and deporting people for suspected thoughts. Student visas are being denied based on social media posts. This is fascism.
- hn_throwaway_99 2y ago> Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" Do you have a link to what you are referring to?
- spencerflem 2y agoQuote from Marco Rubio (confirmed 99-0 in the Senate) "Rubio said that while Khalil's “past, current or expected beliefs, statements, or associations that are otherwise lawful," the provision allows the secretary of state alone to “personally determine” whether he should remain in the country." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mahmoud-khalil-deported-serious-foreign-policy-consequences-rubio-memo-rcna200612 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mahmoud-khalil-deported... The article is a day old, the judges just affirmed that Rubio is allowed to do this today
- hn_throwaway_99 2y agoThanks for the information. FWIW, I think this is total bullshit and fascism, but your comments aren't telling the whole story. The most important thing to point out is that "the judges" in this case was actually a single immigration judge. Immigration judges belong to the executive branch, not the judiciary. I agree this law that says that the Secretary of State can essentially just deport anyone they want can't be squared with the constitutional rights of freedom of speech and due process. But that wasn't really this immigration judge's determination to make, i.e. questioning the constitutionality of the law that Rubio is using to deport Khalil. There is a separate case going on in federal court that should address that topic. This article has more info: https://archive.vn/D890d https://archive.vn/D890d
- herf 2y agoThis is a really hard problem. Just consider that there are ~150 Muslims for every Jew worldwide. In the USA it's the reverse - 2:1 in favor of Jews, concentrated in particular geographic areas. Imagine what it means to get ranking right here - if you let just 1% of the international population into the USA ranking system, you have a majority in favor of Palestine, and of course these ideas will spread in communities without a lot of people who can represent Jewish history. It's clear to me why this happens, but fixing in an algorithmic but fair way is also extremely difficult.
- wesselbindt 2y agoI think there's an erroneous implicit assumption in your reasoning, namely that to be Zionist is equivalent to be Jewish, and to be anti-zionist is to be Muslim (otherwise, why would you be talking about Jew:Muslim ratios). The fact of the matter is that not every Zionist* is Jewish (in fact, the vast majority of Zionists are christian), and vice versa not every Jewish person is a Zionist (Jewish voice for peace, the ultra orthodox, etc). But even beyond that, I think engaging in censorship to hide an ethnic cleansing is an affront to humanity. * Here, I'm taking Zionism to mean to be in support of the way Israel has formed and continued to form in the past 77 or so years. I am aware that there are many different interpretations of Zionism (to illustrate the breadth; Noam Chomsky considered himself a Zionist), but this particular interpretation is the one that is relevant to this conversation.
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- OhioMan2943 2y agoThe pager attack indiscruminantly attacked healthcare workers and killed a 9 year old girl and another child. It was the definition of untargeted, immoral and unprofessional. How does eliminating over 3% of a population, of which the majority are women and children amount to anything but deliberate extermination? There is nothing defensive about the IOF, or the army which calls palestinian citizens "human animals" and says "no child is too young to be a terorist"
- Cyph0n 2y ago“According to internal communications reviewed by Drop Site, as recently as March, Cutler actively instructed employees of the company to search for and review content mentioning Ghassan Kanafani, an Arab novelist considered to be a pioneer of Palestinian literature.” So this person is actively thinking about a Palestinian revolutionary that was assassinated by Mossad over half a century ago, and is using their position to push for internal censorship of him accordingly. Imagine if a Palestinian employee at Meta suggested censoring mentions of past members of Haganah.
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- dang 2y agoPlease don't post in the flamewar style to HN. Regardless of how right you are or feel you are, it's not what this site is for and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: We've already had to ask you this more than once: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42742340 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42742340 (Jan 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36577854 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36577854 (July 2023)
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- dang 2y ago> Israel is such a bitch. You can't post like this here, no matter how right you are or you feel you are. It just makes everything worse, and you owe this community better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- khaledh 2y agoNoted. I edited it out.
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- morkalork 2y agoWas anyone else confused reading the title? At first pass I was asking myself "metadata from what?" then figured out oh not metadata, data from Meta.
- yodsanklai 2y agoAnd then Zuckerberg says he's all about free speech, even mocking Europe as not being free-speech enough
- impossiblefork 2y agoHe's not wrong though, that Europe isn't free-speech enough. I don't care about the hypocrisy, because free speech is so good and so beneficial that I don't care if the proponent is iffy.
- jmpman 2y agoYesterday, my high school son was sitting on the couch. Asked him what he was doing… “social studies on the partitioning of Palestine in 1948”. More spicy a topic that I was expecting. Intrigued, I asked ChatGPT a few questions about the religious populations of modern Israel throughout the centuries. Got some interesting results and asked it for some clarification on the political sensitivity of this topic. It agreed it would be challenged by many. Anyway, decided to share it with my son, and texted it to him on his iPhone from my iPhone. Normally that would be sent via iMessage, fully end to end encrypted, and yet this time, when I was sending potentially politically charged views on israel, it was sent as SMS!! Now, I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist, but… that got me questioning why, on any of the thousands of messages I’ve sent my son, this specific one wasn’t sent encrypted. Hmm
- OhioMan2943 2y agoIzr revieves almost 50% of the worlds startup funding for cyber security in any given year. Think about what they do with this.
- Philpax 2y agoYou may be interested in seeing what Tal Broda, an executive at OpenAI, posted at the start of the war: https://x.com/StopZionistHate/status/1735471349278052584 https://x.com/StopZionistHate/status/1735471349278052584
- switch007 2y agoIsn't another wild thing here that Apple chooses whether to send it encrypted or not? Sorry, haven't used an iPhone with iMessage, not sure how it works. Try Signal instead perhaps?
- mlindner 2y agoSMS messages get sent when you're outside of data network.
- jmpman 2y agoOr when the phone detects questionable content and decides to? I was sitting on my couch, next to my son when I sent the message. We were both connected to the WiFi. Sure, I’ve had messages sent via SMS before, typically when I’m on a plane and just lose 5G connectivity - but never on my couch before. Just seemed like a strange coincidence which made me realize that could be a viable attack pattern against a population.
- casenmgreen 2y agoOne off test, but for this guy, with large BSky and Twitter accounts, made the same pro-UA post on both, the post on Twitter was suppressed for about 12 hours, until it was spammed by hate bots, and then was made widely visible. The BSky post had lots of responses, starting from the moment of posting, almost wholly pro-UA. https://bsky.app/profile/willhaycardiff.bsky.social/post/3lkjabe5wmk2v https://bsky.app/profile/willhaycardiff.bsky.social/post/3lk... On the face of it, Twitter itself is suppressing in line with Donald/Elon's agenda, and running hate/love bots. Also saw another BSky poster showing a horrific anti-immigration post on Twitter getting spammed by love-bots.
- sfx77 2y ago"Israeli Campaign" is it really that weird for someone to ask to take down posts calling for their annihilation?
- khaledh 2y agoThe posts are not calling for Israel's annihilation. They call for stopping the genocide. The posts merely document what Israel is doing in Gaza, since Israel doesn't allow independent journalists to verify and show the world the carnage it's causing to the people of Gaza.
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- nambamutta 2y agowhat a fantastic contribution to this forum!
- xbmcuser 2y agoThis is the same reason they want to buy TikTok and banned it had nothing to do with Chinese influence it was that the censoring of pro Palestinian content was not being done like in western platforms and Israel and Israel bought US politicians did not like it.
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- khaledh 2y agoThey do all the time, but Israel sabotages any attempt to reach a two-state solution. Take for example the so-called Great March of Return (2018), where thousands of Palestinians in Gaza, who lived under Israeli blockade (land, sea, and air) for over a decade, marched peacefully towards the border with Israel to protest the blockade. What did Israel do? - Israeli snipers shot a large number of protestors - 214 Palestinians, including 46 children, were killed, and over 36,000, including nearly 8,800 children have been injured - 81% of the gunshots were to the legs - 122 people had one or both their legs amputated (including 20 children) https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/co-iopt/report2018-opt https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/co-iopt/report2018-op... Also, what kind of peace Israel wants when they let their settlers attack Palestinians in the West Bank, aided by the Israeli military, and without consequences? All Israeli settlements are illegal under international law. Maybe they should start dismantling those settlements first? If Israel wants peace, they should accept the two-state solution and let the Palestinians have self-determination, instead of making their life hell on earth with their apartheid regime.
- YZF 2y agoYour comment completely lacks historical accuracy and context. Israel offered Palestinians a two-state solution multiple times. During the Oslo accords Israel allowed Palestinian leadership to return and established the Palestinian Authority and gave it control over many areas as a path towards peace and a two state solution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords It was Palestinians who through a wave of suicide bombings made sure there's no chance of any solution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_suicide_attacks#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_suicide_attacks#Ba... Your so called march was an attempt of Hamas to break the blockade. Similar to events that happened prior to Oct 7th to get Israel to drop its guard. Israel was justified in blockading Gaza as long as it was under Hamas control. Hamas fired numerous rockets at Israeli cities throughout the period since it took over the Gaza strip by force from the Palestinian Authority. Palestinians didn't need to march to remove the blockade. All they had to do is remove/disarm Hamas. Most Palestinians do not want a two state solution. They want Israel removed, all the Jewish people removed from the middle east, and one state in its place. I'm not going to defend settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank. It's not ok. But that is a relatively new phenomena that is a result of extremism in Israel due to decades of indiscriminate Palestinian violence against civilians. Before the first Intifada there were generally peaceful relationships (and a lot less settlers/settlement).
- botanical 2y agoIf Apartheid South Africa could last just a little bit longer, they would still be an apartheid state like Israel is today. Western media is just as complicit in this genocide as the fascists in charge of the Israeli government. And media are self-censoring which is reprehensible. The idea of Hamas wouldn't exist if Gaza (and the West Bank) wasn't occupied by land, air and sea; their land stolen on a daily basis, and Palestinian people treated as subhuman animals.
- YZF 2y agoPalestinian violence predates the 1967 and 1948. Also Gaza wasn't occupied since Israel left it in 2005. Here's is one example from 1954 when Israel did not control Gaza or the West Bank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27ale_Akrabim_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27ale_Akrabim_massacre "The Ma'ale Akrabim massacre, known in English as the Scorpions Pass Massacre, was an attack on an Israeli passenger bus, carried out on 17 March 1954, in the middle of the day. Eleven passengers were shot dead by the attackers who ambushed and boarded the bus. One passenger died 32 years later of his injuries, in a state of paralysis and partial consciousness. Four passengers survived, two of whom had been injured by the gunmen." Palestinians are largely in the reality they're in due to the violence.
- defrost 2y agoCan you remind us whether this bus attack in which 11 people died came before or after the 1948-1949 Plan Dalet during which over 500 Arab villages were destroyed or depopulated by military forces under the direction of later first prime minister of Israel David Ben-Gurion? The plan's tactics involved laying siege to Palestinian Arab villages, bombing neighbourhoods of cities, forced expulsion of their inhabitants, and setting fields and houses on fire and detonating TNT in the rubble to prevent any return. Zionist military units possessed detailed lists of neighborhoods and villages to be destroyed and their Arab inhabitants expelled. This strategy is subject to controversy, with some historians characterizing it as defensive, while others assert that it was an integral part of a planned strategy for the expulsion, sometimes called an ethnic cleansing, of the area's native inhabitants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet Israelis and Palestinians are largely in the reality they're in due to the violence.
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- sriram_malhar 2y agoOur minds have been so colonized or beaten down by powerful forces that _any_ support of the plight of the Palestine people is seen as pro-Hamas, even if I shout at the top of my voice that I don't care for the armed factions and political jockeying of either side. I will expect to be downvoted to hell for this.
- edanm 2y ago> Our minds have been so colonized or beaten down by powerful forces that _any_ support of the plight of the Palestine people is seen as pro-Hamas, What makes you say that? Plenty of people express support for the Palestinian people, including plenty of governments and heads of state, etc. I personally think that being pro-Palestine means you should be anti-Hamas, since they are a brutal dictatorship that's plundered its people's resources to engage in a war with Israel that has destroyed their lives. The main worrying thing is when someone is not pro-Palestinian, they're either pro-Hamas or anti-Israel.
- sriram_malhar 2y agoI agree with the last two paras, with the following addendum. I'm also pro-Israeli people, but I find their leadership (and the settlers) the same as Hamas. No different. As for the first para, I have very close friends who have been harassed for expressing support for plight. If you are a university student in the US today and said exactly what I have said, you can be found guilty as a terrorist-sympathizer. I have been downvoted to hell on reddit and elsewhere for putting it as mildly as I did here.
- simion314 2y agoReddit is full of paid trolls that will pile in huge number to kill any discussion that is percived against Israel, you can\t talk about the latest war crimes Israel is doing without a number of accounts piling on you, accusing you of fascism, racis, that you do not know history, that the articles are false and no childrens were murdered, if they were some children killed then for sure some terrorists were hidding there with the children etc. It is actually impossible to talk about this topic on reddit, I can shit on Putin and Ruzzians all day so it is clear Israel has more money invested in their cyber army then the Zeds.
- liorsbg 2y agoI just re-read the article, and there’s no evidence of wrong doing. There’s a bunch of circumstantial stuff that people are choosing to feed into their narrative. Facebook has some rules and community guidelines, the Israeli government recognized some posts that violate those and asked for them to be taken down, and Facebook complied in accordance to their own rules.
- nabla9 2y agoNothing illeagal. Just dirty.
- edanm 2y agoThe article doesn't even prove that anything is dirty. It's just carefully insinuating that these takedown requests are wrong, without actually showing any proof of this.
- whamlastxmas 2y agoManipulating the free flow of speech is inherently wrong. They are demonstrably censoring pro Palestine content without any regard at all to pro Israel content, or even pro Israel content that incites or calls for violence
- edanm 2y ago> Manipulating the free flow of speech is inherently wrong. That is an absurd statement. Almost every platform has mechanisms for taking down content, for good reason. Is asking to take down copyrighted content "inherently wrong"? Is asking to take down illegal content like child pornography "inherently wrong"? What about someone publishing the name and address of a pro-Palestinian activist and saying "let's get together and kill him"? Would taking down that be wrong? Without knowing the actual content that was asked to be removed, we can't judge whether it made sense or not. > They are demonstrably censoring pro Palestine content without any regard at all to pro Israel content, or even pro Israel content that incites or calls for violence Is this demonstrated in the article? I might have missed it but I didn't see any comparison to how pro-Israel content is handled.
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- mentalgear 2y agoNethanjahi's Government is, far from the whole country. There are every week thousands that go protest against him. Nethanjahi is not representative of the whole country.
- mlindner 2y agoThe problem is the pro-Palestine movement irrecoverably linked themselves to Hamas, a terrorist organization, it's made supporting Palestine a toxic position to hold for anyone of any significance.
- aussieguy1234 2y agoActually it's the other way around. Fascists in Israel and the US worked very hard to make it so that anyone seen to be sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians is seen as pro Hamas, or pro terrorist. Apparently there are some that even say the Palestinian flag itself is a "terrorist flag" and anyone flying it is also a terrorist.
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- OhioMan2943 2y agoActually the Israeli government (Netenyahu) funded Hamas as a way to destabilise the Palestinian authority and conflate palestinianism with terrorism (EU Policy chief Joesep Borrell has stated this on record https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-funded-hamas-claims-eu-top-diplomat-josep-borrell/ https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-funded-hamas-claims-e...)
- marcosdumay 2y agoJust because a bunch of war criminals keep saying it, it doesn't make it true.
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- aristofun 2y agoWhy shouldn't _any_ radical propaganda (unfortunately this is the case with most of pro-palestine content, even if for understandable or good reasons) be removed?
- sfx77 2y agoThis is John Spencer the chair or urban warfare studies at West Point Academy. The most prestigious military academy in the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25xaPTsmGGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25xaPTsmGGE
- isaacremuant 2y agoIf this appals or surprises you but then you call others conspiracy theorists when they're disseminating things that don't align with your mainstream political views, you need to learn from it and stop playing the game.
- overu589 2y agoOr there truly are conspiracies against our natural destinies, we are merely ignorant and incompetent in identifying what they might be. Covering own asses is natural enough. War crimes and crimes against humanity are serious concerns with serious considerations, yet what if we cannot ourselves be trusted by the very nature of our self lies?
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- sfx77 2y agoGlobalize the enchilada !
- hammeiam 2y agoRelated: https://www.engadget.com/ex-meta-engineer-sues-company-claiming-he-was-fired-over-handling-of-palestine-content-123057080.html https://www.engadget.com/ex-meta-engineer-sues-company-claim...
- za3faran 2y agoPeople who have been posting against the Israeli genocide have been familiar with this for a long time now. The censorship is extremely evident; thankfully the truth is coming out. Food for thought: if you are on the side of truth, you do not need to censor.
- PicassoCTs 2y agoHonestly who cares? They just fit into the region, which is one murderous, genocidal cesspool. The fact that it happens to the usual genocidal majority in the region (sunni-muslim) is the only thing that drives this artificial outrage and the muslim brotherhood oilstates who push it. They have wiped all minorities from nearly all middle-east countries over the course of the last 70 years, so if a thoroughly murdered minority wants to run a defensively structured ethno-state- be they copt, greek christians, armenians, belotschis, druse, kurds, jesidi, zhorthastrian, hindu or whatever - just go for it. The western delusional denial about the realities of the ground when it comes to multicultural societies (think Beirut) shouldn't pave the way for more murder and atrocities as it already did.
- neycoda 2y agoOnce again, the USA is #2 to their Israeli masters.