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4o Image Generation

• afafafaf 2y ago
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• minimaxir 2y ago
  OpenAI's livestream of GPT-4o Image Generation shows that it is slowwwwwwwwww (maybe 30 seconds per image, which Sam Altman had to spin "it's slow but the generated images are worth it"). Instead of using a diffusion approach, it appears to be generating the image tokens and decoding them akin to the original DALL-E (https://openai.com/index/dall-e/ https://openai.com/index/dall-e/), which allows for streaming partial generations from top to bottom. In contrast, Google's Gemini can generate images and make edits in seconds. No API yet, and given the slowness I imagine it will cost much more than the $0.03+/image of competitors.
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  • kevmo314 2y ago
    Maybe this is the dialup of the era.
    • ijidak 2y ago
      Ha. That's a good analogy. When I first read the parent comment, I thought, maybe this is a long-term architecture concern... But your message reminded me that we've been here before.
    • asadm 2y ago
      specially with the slow loading effect it has.
  • cubefox 2y ago
    LLMs are autoregressive, so they can't be (multi-modality) integrated with diffusion image models, only with autoregressive image models (which generate an image via image tokens). Historically those had lower image fidelity than diffusion models. OpenAI now seems to have solved this problem somehow. More than that, they appear far ahead of any available diffusion model, including Midjourney and Imagen 3. Gemini "integrates" Imagen 3 (a diffusion model) only via a tool that Gemini calls internally with the relevant prompt. So it's not a true multimodal integration, as it doesn't benefit from the advanced prompt understanding of the LLM. Edit: Apparently Gemini also has an experimental native image generation ability.
    • argsnd 2y ago
      Is this the same for their gemini-2.0-flash-exp-image-generation model?
      • cubefox 2y ago
        No that seems to be indeed a native part of the multimodal Gemini model. I didn't know this existed, it's not available in the normal Gemini interface.
        • lxgr 2y ago
          This is a pretty good example of the current state of Google LLMs: The (no longer, I guess) industry-leading features people actually want are hidden away in some obscure “AI studio” with horrible usability, while the headline Gemini app still often refuses to do anything useful for me. (Disclaimer: I last checked a couple of months ago, after several more of mild amusement/great frustration.)
          • tough 2y ago
            hey at least now they bought ai.dev and redirected it to their bad ux
        • vladf 2y ago
  • infecto 2y ago
    As a user, images feel slightly slower but comparable to the previous generation. Given the significant quality improvement, it's a fair trade-off. Overall, it feels snappy, and the value justifies a higher price.
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      • infecto 2y ago
        I just gave quick feedback on the new release. How should I be writing it? If anything, your feedback is of low value.
  • Taek 2y ago
    > it appears to be generating the image tokens and decoding them akin to the original DALL-E The animation is a lie. The new 4o with "native" image generating capabilities is a multi-modal model that is connected to a diffusion model. It's not generating images one token at a time, it's calling out to a multi-stage diffusion model that has upscalers. You can ask 4o about this yourself, it seems to have a strong understanding of how the process works.
    • low_tech_love 2y ago
      Would it seem otherwise if it was a lie?
      • Taek 2y ago
        There are many clues to indicate that the animation is a lie. For example, it clearly upscales the image using an external tool after the first image renders. As another example, if you ask the model about the tokens inside of its own context, it can't see any pixel tokens. A model may not have many facts about itself, but it can definitely see what is inside of its own context, and what it sees is a call to an image generation tool. Finally, and most convincingly, I can't find a single official source where OpenAI claims that the image is being generated pixel-by-pixel inside of the context window.
    • throwaway314155 2y ago
      Sorry but I think you may be mistaken if your only source is ChatGPT. It's not aware of its own creation processes beyond what is included in its system prompt.
  • keeganpoppen 2y ago
    i find this “slow” complaint (/observation— i dont view this comment as a complaint, to be clear) to be quite confusing. slow… compared to what, exactly? you know what is slow? having to prompt and reprompt 15 times to get the stupid model to spell a word correctly and it not only refuses, but is also insistent that it has corrected the error this time. and afaict this is the exact kind of issue this change should address substantially. im not going to get super hyperbolic and histrionic about “entitlement” and stuff like that, but… literally this technology did not exist until like two years ago, and yet i hear this all the time. “oh this codegen is pretty accurate but it’s slow”, “oh this model is faster and cheaper (oh yeah by the way the results are bad, but hey it’s the cheapest so it’s better)”. like, are we collectively forgetting that the whole point of any of this is correctness and accuracy? am i off-base here? the value to me of a demonstrably wrong chat completion is essentially zero, and the value of a correct one that anticipates things i hadn’t considered myself is nearly infinite. or, at least, worth much, much more than they are charging, and even _could_ reasonably charge. it’s like people collectively grouse about low quality ai-generated junk out of one side of their mouths, and then complain about how expensive the slop is out of the other side. hand this tech to someone from 2020 and i guarantee you the last thing you’d hear is that it’s too slow. and how could it be? yeah, everyone should find the best deals / price-value frontier tradeoff for their use case, but, like… what? we are all collectively devaluing that which we lament is being devalued by ai by setting such low standards: ourselves. the crazy thing is that the quickly-generated slop is so bad as to be practically useless, and yet it serves as the basis of comparison for… anything at all. it feels like that “web-scale /dev/null” meme all over again, but for all of human cognition.
  • cchance 2y ago
    i mean on free chat an image took maybe 2 seconds?
  • aurareturn 2y ago
    If you look at the examples given, this is the first time I've felt like AI generated images have passed the uncanny valley. The results are ground breaking in my opinion. How much longer until an AI can generate 30 successive images together and make an ultra realistic movie?
    • thehappypm 2y ago
      One day you’ll just give it a script and get a movie out
      • brrrrrm 2y ago
        a premise*
      • borgdefenser 2y ago
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• rvz 2y ago
  > ChatGPT’s new image generation in GPT‑4o rolls out starting today to Plus, Pro, Team, and Free users as the default image generator in ChatGPT, with access coming soon to Enterprise and Edu. For those who hold a special place in their hearts for DALL·E, it can still be accessed through a dedicated DALL·E GPT. > Developers will soon be able to generate images with GPT‑4o via the API, with access rolling out in the next few weeks. That's it folks. Tens of thousands of so-called "AI" image generator startups have been obliterated and taking digital artists with them all reduced to near zero. Now you have a widely accessible meme generator with the name "ChatGPT". The last task is for an open weight model that competes against this and is faster and all for free.
  • afro88 2y ago
    Yep. The coherence and text quality is insanely good. Keen to play with it to find it's "mangled hands" style deficiencies, because of course they cherry picked the best examples.
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  • dragonwriter 2y ago
    > Tens of thousands of so-called "AI" image generator startups have been obliterated and taking digital artists with them all reduced to near zero. Now you have a widely accessible meme generator with the name "ChatGPT". ChatGPT has already had a that via Dall-E. If it didn't kill those startups when that happened this doesn't fundamentally change anything. Now its got a new image gen model, which — like Dall-E 3 when it came out — is competitive or ahead of other SotA base models using just text prompts, the simplest generation workflow, but both more expensive and less adaptable to more involved workflows than the tools anyone more than a casual user (whether using local tools or hosted services) is using. This is station-keeping for OpenAI, not a meaningful change in the landscape.
    • famouswaffles 2y ago
      There are several examples here, especially in the videos that no existing image gen model can do and would require tedious workflows and/or training regimens to replicate, maybe. It's not 'just' a new model ala Imagen 3. This is 'what if GPT could transform images nearly as well as text?' and that opens up a lot of possibilities. It's definitely a meaningful change.
• occamschainsaw 2y ago
  Did they time it with the Gemini 2.5 launch? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43473489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43473489 Was it public information when Google was going to launch their new models? Interesting timing.
  • qoez 2y ago
    "Interesting timing" It's like the 4th time by my counting they've done this
  • aabhay 2y ago
    OpenAI was started with the express goal of undermining Google's potential lead in AI. The fact that they time launches to Google launches to me indicates they still see this as a meaningful risk. And with this launch in particular I find their fears more well-founded than ever.
• qoez 2y ago
  Looks about what you'd get with FLUX and attaching some language model to enhance your prompt with eg more text
  • afro88 2y ago
    Flux doesn't do text that good
  • echelon 2y ago
    Exactly. OpenAI isn't going to win image and video. Sora is one of the worst video generators. The Chinese have really taken the lead in video with Kling, Hailuo, and the open source Wan and Hunyuan. Wan with LoRAs will enable real creative work. Motion control, character consistency. There's no place for an OpenAI Sora type product other than as a cheap LLM add-in.
  • minimaxir 2y ago
    Flux 1.1 Pro has good prompt adherence, but some of these (admittingly cherry-picked) GPT-4o generated image demos are beyond what you would get with Flux without a lot of iteration, particularly the large paragraphs of text. I'm excited to see what a Flux 2 can do if it can actually use a modern text encoder.
    • echelon 2y ago
      Structural editing and control nets are much more powerful than text prompting alone. The image generators used by creatives will not be text-first. "Dragon with brown leathery scales with an elephant texture and 10% reflectivity positioned three degrees under the mountain, which is approximately 250 meters taller than the next peak, ..." is not how you design. Creative work is not 100% dice rolling in a crude and inadequate language. Encoding spatial and qualitative details is impossible. "A picture is worth a thousand words" is an understatement.
      • jjmarr 2y ago
        Yeah, but then it no longer replaces human artists. Controlnet has been the obvious future of image-generation for a while now.
• shaky-carrousel 2y ago
  Tried it, the "compise armporressed" and "Pros: made bord reqotons" didn't impress me in the slightest.
  • BoorishBears 2y ago
    Are you sure you were even using the model from the post?
    • shaky-carrousel 2y ago
      Pressed the "Try in ChatGPT", pasted the first prompt, became thoroughly unimpressed.
      • shaky-carrousel 2y ago
        Update: Seems like the update didn't roll to my account when I tested. I can see it behaves differently now and it's as promised. It's very good.
• pton_xd 2y ago
  Can you specify the output dimensions? EDIT: Seems not, "The smallest image size I can generate is 1024x1024. Would you like me to proceed with that, or would you like a different approach?"
  • minimaxir 2y ago
    I suspect you can prompt aspect ratios.
• xnx 2y ago
  Will be interesting to see how this ranks against Google Imagen and Reve. https://huggingface.co/spaces/ArtificialAnalysis/Text-to-Image-Leaderboard https://huggingface.co/spaces/ArtificialAnalysis/Text-to-Ima...
• resource_waste 2y ago
  LPT: while the benchmarks don't show it, chatGPT4>4o. It amazes me people use 4o at all. But hey its the brand name and its free. ofc 4.5 is best, but its slow and I am afraid I'm going to hit limits.
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  • minimaxir 2y ago
    OpenAI themselves discourages using GPT-4 outside of legacy applications, in favor of GPT-4o instead (they are shutting down the large output gpt-4-32k variants in a few months). GPT-4 is also an order of magnitude more expensive/slower.
    • zamadatix 2y ago
      I think both of these points are what sow doubt in some people in the first place because both could be true if GPT-4 was just less profitable to run, not if it was worse in quality. Of course it is actually worse in quality than 4o by any reasonable metric... but I guess not everyone sees it that way.
• jfoster 2y ago
  The character consistency and UI capabilities seem like they open up a lot of new use cases.
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    • Alupis 2y ago
      For creating believable fake images... We're largely past the days of 7 fingered hands - text remains one of the tell-tale signs.
    • jfoster 2y ago
      Well I definitely wouldn't say it's vital for humanity. Has anyone actually said that? Character consistency means that these models could now theoretically illustrate books, as one example. Generating UIs seems like it would be very helpful for any app design or prototyping.
    • olalonde 2y ago
      Never heard about professional photographers, stock photography, graphic artists, etc.?
    • colesantiago 2y ago
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      • BoorishBears 2y ago
        I work on a product for generating interactive fanfiction using an LLM, and I've put a lot of work into post-training to improve writing quality to match or exceed typical human levels. I'm excited about this for adding images to those interactive stories. It has nothing to do with circumventing the cost of artists or writers: regardless of cost, no one can put out a story and then rewrite it based on whatever idea pops into every reader's mind for their own personal main character. It's a novel experience that only a "writer" that scales by paying for an inanimate object to crunch numbers can enable. Similarly no artist can put out a piece of art for that story and then go and put out new art bespoke to every reader's newly written story. - I think there's this weird obsession with framing these tools about being built to just replace current people doing similar things. Just speaking objectively: the market for replacing "cheeky expensive artists" would not justify building these tools. The most interesting applications of this technology being able to do things that are simply not possible today even if you have all the money in the world. And for the record, I'll be ecstatic for the day an AI can reach my level of competency in building software. I've been doing it since I was a child because I love it, it's the one skill I've ever been paid for, and I'd still be over the moon because it'd let me explore so many more ideas than I alone can ever hope to build.
• bbor 2y ago
  Whelp. That's terrifying.
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• gs17 2y ago
  This is really impressive, but the "Best of 8" tag on a lot of them really makes me want to see how cherry-picked they are. My three free images had two impressive outputs and one failure.
  • do_not_redeem 2y ago
    The high five looks extremely unnatural. Their wrists are aligned, but their fingers aren't, somehow? If that's best of 8, I'd love to see the outtakes.
    • tiahura 2y ago
      Agreed. It seems totally unnatural that a couple of nerds high-five awkwardly.
      • do_not_redeem 2y ago
        Not awkward. Anatomically uncanny and physically impossible.
        • skydhash 2y ago
          While drawing hands is difficult (because the surface morphs in a variety of ways), the shapes and relative proportions are quite simple. That’s how you can have tools like Metahuman[0] [0]: https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/metahuman https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/metahuman
• aantix 2y ago
  Still seems to have problems with transparent backgrounds.
  • minimaxir 2y ago
    That's expected with any image generating models because they aren't trained with an alpha channel. It's more pragmatic to pipeline the results to a background removal model. EDIT: It appears GPT-4o is different as there is a video demo dedicated to transparancy.
    • BoorishBears 2y ago
      There's an entire video in the post dedicated to how well it does transparency: https://openai.com/index/introducing-4o-image-generation/?video=1069289433 https://openai.com/index/introducing-4o-image-generation/?vi... I suspect we're getting a flood of comment from people who are using Dall-E.
      • minimaxir 2y ago
        Huh, I missed that. I'm skeptical of the results in practice, though.
      • aantix 2y ago
        The video was helpful. I started with the prompt "Generate a transparent image. " And that created the isolated image on a transparent background. Thank-you.
    • throwaway314155 2y ago
      This one however explicitly advertises good transparency support.
    • Der_Einzige 2y ago
      There's a mod for stable diffusion webui forge/automatic1111/ComfyUI which enables this for all diffusion models (except these closed source ones).
• sergiotapia 2y ago
  am I dumb or every time they release something I can never find out how to actually use it and forget about it. take this for instance I wanted to try out their newton "an infographic explaining newton's prism experiment in great detail" example, but it generated a very bad result but maybe it's because I'm not using the right model? every release of theirs is not really a release, it's like a trailer. right?
  • throwaway314155 2y ago
    You're not dumb. They do this for nearly every single major release. I can't really understand why considering it generates negative sentiment about the release, but it's something to be expected from OpenAI at this point.
  • swalsh 2y ago
    This is what's so wild about Anthropic. When they release it seems like it's rolled out to all users, and API customers immediately. OpenAI has MONTHS between annoucement and roll out, or if they do it's usually just influencers who get an "early look". It's pretty frustrating.
  • guzik 2y ago
    This is hilarious. I'm also confused about whether they released it or not because the results are underwhelming. EDIT: Ok it works in Sora, and my jaw dropped
• carbocation 2y ago
  This works great for many purposes. One area where it does not work well at all is modifying photographs of people's faces.* Completely fumbles if you take a selfie and ask it to modify your shirt, for example. * = unless the people are in the training set
  • cess11 2y ago
    That's to be expected, no? It's a usian product so it will be a disappointment in all areas where things could get lewd.
    • briandear 2y ago
      What is usian? Never heard of that.
      • jakelazaroff 2y ago
        US-ian, as in from the United States.
        • briandear 2y ago
          So should we be using Eusians for citizens of the Estados Unidos Mexicanos?
          • cess11 2y ago
            Why? The Americas are quite a bit larger than the USA, so I disagree with 'american' being a word for people and things from mainland USA. Usian seems like a reasonable derivative of USA and US, similar to how mexican follows from Mexico and Estados Unidos Mexicanos.
  • BoorishBears 2y ago
    > We’re aware of a bug where the model struggles with maintaining consistency of edits to faces from user uploads but expect this to be fixed within the week. Sounds like it may be a safety thing that's still getting figured out
• alach11 2y ago
  It's incredible that this took 316 days to be released since it was initially announced. I do appreciate the emphasis in the presentation on how this can be useful beyond just being a cool/fun toy, as it seems most image generation tools have functioned. Was anyone else surprised how slow the images were to generate in the livestream? This seems notably slower than DALLE.
  • jermaustin1 2y ago
    I've never minded that an image might take 10-30 seconds to generate. The fact that people do is crazy to me. A professional artist would take days, and cost $100s for the same asset. I ran stable diffusion for a couple of years (maybe?, time really hasn't made sense since 2020) on my Dual 3090 rendering server. I built the server originally for crypto heating my office in my 1820s colonial in upstate NY then when I was planning to go back to college (got accepted into a university in England), I switched it's focus to Blender/UE4 (then 5), then eventually to AI image gen. So I've never minded 20 seconds for an image. If I needed dozens of options to pick the best, I was going to click start and grab a cup of coffee, come back and maybe it was done. Even if it took 2 hours, it is still faster than when I used to have to commission art for a project. I grew out of Stable Diffusion, though, because the learning curve beyond grabbing a decent checkpoint and clicking start was actually really high (especially compared to LLMs that seamed to "just work"), after going through failed training after failed fine-tuning using tutorials that were a couple days out of date, I eventually said, fuck it, I'm paying for this instead. All that to say - if you are using GenAI commercially, even if an image or a block of code took 30 minutes, it's still WAY cheaper than a human. That said, eventually a professional will be involved, and all the AI slop you generated will be redone, which will still cost a lot, but you get to skip the back and forth figuring out style/etc.
• byearthithatius 2y ago
  I remember literally just two or three years back getting good text was INSANE. We were all amazed when SD started making pretty good text.
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• afro88 2y ago
  Edit: Please ignore. They hadn't rolled the new model out to my account yet. The announcement blog post is a bit misleading saying you can try it today. -- Comparison with Leonardo.Ai. ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/share/67e2fb21-a06c-8008-b297-07681dddeed9 https://chatgpt.com/share/67e2fb21-a06c-8008-b297-07681dddee... ChatGPT again (direct one shot): https://chatgpt.com/share/67e2fc44-ecc8-8008-a40f-e1368d306e5a https://chatgpt.com/share/67e2fc44-ecc8-8008-a40f-e1368d306e... ChatGPT again (using word "photorealistic instead of "photo"): https://chatgpt.com/share/67e2fce4-369c-8008-b69e-c2cbe0dd61df https://chatgpt.com/share/67e2fce4-369c-8008-b69e-c2cbe0dd61... Leonardo.Ai Phoenix 1.0 model: https://cdn.leonardo.ai/users/1f263899-3b36-4336-b2a5-d8bc2598d6ac/generations/008a7ec0-2dc1-4031-8c5f-a19841795777/segments/4:4:1/Leonardo_Phoenix_10_a_warm_and_intimate_candid_photographystyl_0.jpg https://cdn.leonardo.ai/users/1f263899-3b36-4336-b2a5-d8bc25...
  • tetris11 2y ago
    Is the ”2D animation style" part you put at the beginning and then changed an attempt to see how well the AI responds to gas lighting?
    • afro88 2y ago
      My bad, I was trying the conversational aspect, but that's not an apples to apples conparison. I have put a direct one shot example in the original post as well.
      • jay_kyburz 2y ago
        I'm my test a few months ago, I found that just starting a new prompt would not clear GPT's memory about what I had asked for in previous conversations. You might be stuck with 2D animation style for a while. :)
  • wodenokoto 2y ago
    In all fairness you _did_ say 2D animation style
• KrazyButTrue 2y ago
  Is it live yet? Have been trying it out and am still getting poor results on text generation.
  • moffkalast 2y ago
    You're supposed to generate images, stupid /s
  • Maxatar 2y ago
    I don't think it's available to everyone yet on 4o. Just like you I am getting the same "cartoony" styling and poor text generation. Might take a day or two before it's available in general.
  • virtualcharles 2y ago
    So far it seems to be the same for me. It seems like an odd way to name/announce it, there's nothing obvious to distinguish it from what was already there (i.e. 4o making images) so I have no idea if there is a UI change to look for, or just keep trying stuff until it seems better?
    • fragmede 2y ago
      If only OpenAI would dogfood their own product and use ChatGPT to make different choices with marketing that are less confusing than whoever's driving that bus now.
  • throwaway314155 2y ago
    This is OpenAI's bread and butter - announce something as though it's being launched and then proceed to slowly roll it out after a couple of days. Truly infuriating, especially when it's something like this that makes it tough to tell if the feature is even enabled.
    • jiggawatts 2y ago
      They're also copying the Apple and Google style of refusing to show which version of the product you're using.
• user3939382 2y ago
  I’ll just be happy with not everything having that over saturated cg/cartoon style that you cant prompt your way out of.
  • jjeaff 2y ago
    Is that an artifact of the training data? Where are all these original images with that cartoony look that it was trained on?
    • minimaxir 2y ago
      Ever since Midjourney popularized it, image generation models are often posttrained on more "aesthetic" subsets of images to give them a more fantasy look. It also help obscure some of the imperfections of the AI.
      • HappMacDonald 2y ago
        .. either that or they are padding out their training data with scads of relatively inexpensive to produce 3d rendered images</speculation>
    • jl6 2y ago
      Wild speculation: video game engines. You want your model to understand what a car looks like from all angles, but it’s expensive to get photos of real cars from all angles, so instead you render a car model in UE5, generating hundreds of pictures of it, from many different angles, in many different colors and styles.
    • wongarsu 2y ago
      A large part of deviantart.com would fit that description. There are also a lot of cartoony or CG images in communities dedicated to fanart. Another component in there is probably the overly polished and clean look of stock images, like the front page results of shutterstock. "Typical" AI images are this blend of the popular image styles of the internet. You always have a bit of digital drawing + cartoon image + oversaturated stock image + 3d render mixed in. Models trained on just one of these work quite well, but for a generalist model this blend of styles is an issue
• coherentpony 2y ago
  > we’ve built our most advanced image generator yet into GPT‑4o. The result—image generation that is not only beautiful, but useful. Sorry, but how are these useful? None of the examples demonstrate any use beyond being cool to look at. The article vaguely mentions 'providing inspiration' as possible definition of 'useful'. I suppose.
• kh_hk 2y ago
  > Introducing 4o Image Generation: [...] our most advanced image generator yet Then google: > Gemini 2.5: Our most intelligent AI model > Introducing Gemini 2.0 | Our most capable AI model yet I could go on forever. I hope this trend dies and apple starts using something effective so all the other companies can start copying a new lexicon.
  • hombre_fatal 2y ago
    Maybe it’s not useless. 1) it’s only comparing it to their own products and 2) it’s useful to know that the product is the current best in their offering as opposed to a new product that might offer new functionality but isn’t actually their most advanced. Which is especially relevant when it's not obvious which product is the latest and best just looking at the names. Lots of tech naming fails this test from Xbox (Series X vs S) to OpenAI model names (4o vs o1-pro). Here they claim 4o is their most capable image generator which is useful info. Especially when multiple models in their dropdown list will generate images for you.
  • Kiro 2y ago
    What's the problem?
    • kh_hk 2y ago
      It's a nitpick about the repetitive phrasing for announcements <Product name>: Our most <superlative> <thing> yet|ever.
      • echelon 2y ago
        I hate modern marketing trends. This one isn't even my biggest gripe. If I could eliminate any word from the English language forever, it would be "effortlessly".
        • kh_hk 2y ago
          If you could _effortlessly_ eliminate any word you mean?
• TheAceOfHearts 2y ago
  I wanted to use this to generate funny images of myself. Recently I was playing around with Gemini Image Generation to dress myself up as different things. Gemini Image Generation is surprisingly good, although the image quality quickly degrades as you add more changes. Nothing harmful, just silly things like dressing me up as a wizard or other typical RPG roles. Trying out 4o image generation... It doesn't seem to support this use-case at all? I gave it an image of myself and asked to turn me into a wizard, and it generate something that doesn't look like me in the slightest. A second attempt, I asked to add a wizard hat and it just used python to add a triangle in the middle of my image. I looked at the examples and saw they had a direct image modification where they say "Give this cat a detective hat and a monocle", so I tried that with my own image "Give this human a detective hat and a monocle" and it just gave me this error: > I wasn't able to generate the modified image because the request didn't follow our content policy. However, I can try another approach—either by applying a filter to stylize the image or guiding you on how to edit it using software like Photoshop or GIMP. Let me know what you'd like to do! Overall, a very disappointing experience. As another point of comparison, Grok also added image generation capabilities and while the ability to edit existing images is a bit limited and janky, it still manages to overlay the requested transformation on top of the existing image.
  • famouswaffles 2y ago
    It's not actually out for everyone yet. You can tell by the generation style. 4o generates top down (picture goes from mostly blurry to clear starting from the top).
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• planb 2y ago
  To quote myself from a comment on sora: Iterations are the missing link. With ChatGPT, you can iteratively improve text (e.g., "make it shorter," "mention xyz"). However, for pictures (and video), this functionality is not yet available. If you could prompt iteratively (e.g., "generate a red car in the sunset," "make it a muscle car," "place it on a hill," "show it from the side so the sun shines through the windshield"), the tools would become exponentially more useful. I‘m looking forward to try this out and see if I was right. Unfortunately it’s not yet available for me.
  • Telemakhos 2y ago
    Reading other comments in other threads on HN has left me with the impression that iterative improvement within a single chat is not a good idea. For example, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43388114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43388114
    • planb 2y ago
      You‘re right. I’m actually doing this quite often when coding. Starting with a few iterative promts to get a general outline of what I want and when that’s ok, copy the outline to a new chat and flesh out the details. But that’s still iterative work, I’m just throwing away the intermediate results that I think confuse the LLM sometimes.
  • Workaccount2 2y ago
    You can do that with Gemini's image model, flash 2.0 (image generation) exp.[1] It's not perfect but it does mostly maintain likeness between generations. [1]https://aistudio.google.com/prompts/new_chat https://aistudio.google.com/prompts/new_chat
    • camel_Snake 2y ago
      Whisk I think is possibly the best at it. No idea what it uses under the hood though. https://labs.google/fx/tools/whisk https://labs.google/fx/tools/whisk
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• jashephe 2y ago
  The periodic table poster under "High binding problems" is billed as evidence of model limitations, but I wonder if it just suggests that 4o is a fan of "Look Around You".
• lxgr 2y ago
  Is there any way to see whether a given prompt was serviced by 4o or Dall-E? Currently, my prompts seem to be going to the latter still, based on e.g. my source image being very obviously looped through a verbal image description and back to an image, compared to gemini-2.0-flash-exp-image-generation. A friend with a Plus plan has been getting responses from either. The long-term plan seems to be to move to 4o completely and move Dall-E to its own tab, though, so maybe that problem will resolve itself before too long.
  • famouswaffles 2y ago
    4o generates top down (picture goes from mostly blurry to clear starting from the top). If it's not generating like that for you then you don't have it yet.
    • lxgr 2y ago
      That's useful, thank you! But it also highlights my point: Why do I have to observe minor details about how the result is being presented to me to know which model was used? I get the intent to abstract it all behind a chat interface, but this seems a bit too much.
      • famouswaffles 2y ago
        Oh I agree 100%. Open AI roll outs leave much to be desired. Sometimes there isn't even a clear difference like there is for this.
      • cchance 2y ago
        I mean in the webpage the dalle one has a bubble under that says "generated with dall-e"
  • n2d4 2y ago
    If you don't have access to it on ChatGPT yet, you can try Sora, which already has access for me.
  • tethys 2y ago
• blixt 2y ago
  What's important about this new type of image generation that's happening with tokens rather than with diffusion, is that this is effectively reasoning in pixel space. Example: Ask it to draw a notepad with an empty tic-tac-toe, then tell it to make the first move, then you make a move, and so on. You can also do very impressive information-conserving translations, such as changing the drawing style, but also stuff like "change day to night", or "put a hat on him", and so forth. I get the feeling these models are quite restricted in resolution, and that more work in this space will let us do really wild things such as ask a model to create an app step by step first completely in images, essentially designing the whole app with text and all, then writing the code to reproduce it. And it also means that a model can take over from a really good diffusion model, so even if the original generations are not good, it can continue "reasoning" on an external image. Finally, once these models become faster, you can imagine a truly generative UI, where the model produces the next frame of the app you are using based on events sent to the LLM (which can do all the normal things like using tools, thinking, etc). However, I also believe that diffusion models can do some of this, in a much faster way.
  • Mond_ 2y ago
    Pretty sure the modern Gemini image models can already do token based image generation/editing and are significantly better and faster.
    • famouswaffles 2y ago
      It's faster but it's definitely not better than what's being showcased here. The quality of Flash 2 Image gens are generally pretty meh.
    • blixt 2y ago
      Yeah Gemini has had this for a few weeks, but much lower resolution. Not saying 4o is perfect, but my first few images with it are much more impressive than my first few images with Gemini.
      • yieldcrv 2y ago
• krackers 2y ago
  So what's the lore with why this took over a _year_ to launch from the first announcement. It's fairly clear that their hand was forced by Google quietly releasing this exact feature a few weeks back though.
• Lerc 2y ago
  I think the biggest problem I still see is the models awareness of the images it generated itself. The glaring issue for the older image generators is how it would proudly proclaim to have presented an image with a description that has almost no relation to the image it actually provided. I'm not sure if this update improves on this aspect. It may create the illusion of awareness of the picture by having better prompt adherence.
• nprateem 2y ago
  The garbled text on these things always just makes them basically useless, especially it often text without being told to like previous models.
  • chairdoor 2y ago
    you are being served the old model
• mclau156 2y ago
  I would love to see advancement in the pixel art space, specifying 64x64 pixels and attempting to make game-ready pixel art and even animations, or even taking a reference image and creating a 64x64 version
• bbstats 2y ago
  that "best of 8" is doing a lot of work. i put in the same input and the image is awful.
• nycdatasci 2y ago
  Here's an example of iterative editing with the new model: https://chatgpt.com/share/67e30f62-12f0-800f-b1d7-b3a9c61e99d6 https://chatgpt.com/share/67e30f62-12f0-800f-b1d7-b3a9c61e99... It's much better than prior models, but still generates hands with too many fingers, bodies with too many arms, etc.
  • dmd 2y ago
    You know the images themselves don’t get shared in links like that, right? (It even tells you so when you make the link.)
    • rahimnathwani 2y ago
      I created a shared link just now, was not presented with any such warning, and have the same problem with the image not showing up: https://chatgpt.com/share/67e319dd-bd08-8013-8f9b-6f5140137fea https://chatgpt.com/share/67e319dd-bd08-8013-8f9b-6f5140137f...
      • dmd 2y ago
        Interesting. I see this: https://imgur.com/a/QNWeEoZ https://imgur.com/a/QNWeEoZ
        • rahimnathwani 2y ago
          Aha! I see different messages in the Android app vs. web app. In the web app I see: Your name, custom instructions, and any messages you add after sharing stay private. Learn more
        • tulip4attoo 2y ago
          I see it normally on PC, maybe not working well on app?
      • andai 2y ago
        The image shows for me.
• ravedave5 2y ago
  Everyone should try running their prompts and see how over hyped this is. The results I get are terrible comparatively.
  • nycdatasci 2y ago
    I don't think the new model is rolled out to all users yet.
  • WXLCKNO 2y ago
    This is literally the biggest leap in image generation in a long time.
• mayimchayim 2y ago
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• DrNosferatu 2y ago
  Could they have switched to *both* image and text generation via diffusion, without tokens?
• M4v3R 2y ago
  I’ve just tried it and oh wow it’s really good. I managed to create a birthday invitation card for my daughter in basically 1-shot, it nailed exactly the elements and style I wanted. Then I asked to retain everything but tweak the text to add more details about the date, venue etc. And it did. I’m in shock. Previous models would not be even halfway there.
  • swyx 2y ago
    share prompt minus identifying details?
    • M4v3R 2y ago
      > Draw a birthday invitation for a 4 year old girl [name here]. It should be whimsical, look like its hand-drawn with little drawings on the sides of stuff like dinosaurs, flowers, hearts, cats. The background should be light and the foreground elements should be red, pink, orange and blue. Then I asked for some changes: > That's almost perfect! Retain this style and the elements, but adjust the text to read: > [refined text] > And then below it should add the location and date details: > [location details]
      • nvalis 2y ago
        If anyone is interested in an example output for this exact initial prompt: https://x.com/0xmetaschool/status/1904804277341839847 https://x.com/0xmetaschool/status/1904804277341839847
      • swyx 2y ago
        that's lovely thank you. i am not very artistic so having stuff like this to crib is very helpful.
      • yaba_money 2y ago
        just did the same type prompt for my sons birthday. I got all the classic errors. first attempt looked good, but had 2 duplicate lines for date and time and "Roarrr!" (dino theme) had a blurred out "a" pointed these issues out to give it a second go and got something way worse. This still feels like little more than a fun toy.
• tantaman 2y ago
  Attention to every detail, even the awkward nerd high-five.
• danhds 2y ago
  To avoid confusion, why not always use a general AI model upfront, then depending on the user's prompt, redirect it to a specific model?
  • n2d4 2y ago
    The models are noticeably different — for example, o1 and o3 have reasoning, and some users (eg. me) want to tell the model when to use reasoning, and when not. As to why they don't automatically detect when reasoning could be appropriate and then switch to o3, I don't know, but I'd assume it's about cost (and for most users the output quality is negligible). 4o can do everything, it's just not great at "logic".
• polotics 2y ago
  well it failed on me, after many tries: ...Once the wait time is up, I can generate the corrected version with exactly eight characters: five mice, one elephant, one polar bear, and one giraffe in a green turtleneck. Let me know if you'd like me to try again later!
• n2d4 2y ago
  For those who are still getting the old DALL-E images inside ChatGPT, you can access the new model on Sora: https://sora.com/explore/images https://sora.com/explore/images
• ibzsy 2y ago
  Anyone else frightened by this? Seeing meant believing, and now that isnt the case anymore...
  • layer8 2y ago
    Look closer at the fingers. These models still don’t have a firm handle on them. The right elbow on the second picture also doesn’t quite look anatomically possible.
    • yieldcrv 2y ago
      > AI is bad and unconvincing > if its not unconvincing, its soulless (only because I was told in advance that its AI) > if its not soulless then its using too much energy
      • layer8 2y ago
        I’m not sure what your point is. This subthread is about whether AI-generated pictures can be distinguished from real photographs. For the pictures in the article, which are already cherry-picked (“best of 8”), the answer is yes. Therefore I don’t quite share the worries of GP.
  • wepple 2y ago
    This specifically? No. We’ve been on this path a while now. The general idea of indistinguishable real/fake images; yeah
  • quectophoton 2y ago
    Nah, I'll maybe start taking them seriously when they can draw someone grating cheese, but holding the cheese and the grater as if they were playing violin.
  • coffeefirst 2y ago
    Not really, but only because literally every person I've met that spends a lot of time on TikTok starts spouting unhinged nonsense at me. You don't even need deepfakes. https://www.newsweek.com/doug-mastriano-pennsylvania-senator-drone-star-wars-2002188 https://www.newsweek.com/doug-mastriano-pennsylvania-senator... The disaster scenario is already here.
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• kylehotchkiss 2y ago
  They still all have a somewhat cold and sterile look to them. Probably that 1% the next decade will be spent working out.
• ashvardanian 2y ago
  The pre-recorded short videos are a much better form of presentation than live-streamed announcements!
• freeopinion 2y ago
  It bothers me to see links to content that requires a login. I don't expect openai or anyone else to give their services away for free. But I feel like "news" posts that require one to setup an account with a vendor are bad faith. If the subject matter is paywalled, I feel that the post should include some explanation of what is newsworthy behind the link.
  • cyral 2y ago
    The linked post is not paywalled, did you click something else?
    • freeopinion 2y ago
      Thank you for the accurate correction. My whining was a bit unmerited. The link goes to a page that largely provides exactly what I asked for. It just starts out with an invitation to try it yourself. That invitation leads you to an app that requires a login. It was unfair of me to be triggered by that invitation. After that invitation there are several examples that boil down to: "Hey look. Our AI can generate deep fakes." Impressive examples.
• macleginn 2y ago
  A real improvement, but it still drew me a door with a handle where the should be one and an extra knob on the side where hinges are.
• trekkie1024 2y ago
  Interesting that in the second image the text on the whiteboard changes (top left)
  • longwave 2y ago
    It seems this is because the string "autoregressive prior" should appear on the right hand side as well, but in the second image it's hidden from view, and this has confused it to place it on the left hand side instead? It also misses the arrow between "[diffusion]" and "pixels" in the first image.
• BigParm 2y ago
  They say it must be an important OpenAI announcement when they bring out the twink.
• akomtu 2y ago
  The real test for image generators is the image->text->image conversion. In other words it should be able to describe an image with words and then use the words to recreate the original image with a high accuracy. The text representation of the image doesn't have to be English. It can be a program, e.g. a shader, that draws the image. I believe in 5-10 years it will be possible to give this tool a picture of rainforest, tell it to write a shader that draws this forest, and tell it to add Avatar-style flying rocks. Instead of these silly benchmarks, we'll read headlines like "GenAI 5.1 creates a 3D animation of a photograph of the Niagara falls in 3 seconds, less than 4KB of code that runs at 60fps".
  • dragonwriter 2y ago
    Why is that “the real test for image generators”? I mean, most image generators don't inherently include image->text functionality at all, so this seems more of a test of multimodal modals that include both t2i and i2t functionality, but even then, I don't think humans would generally pass this test well (unless the human doing the description test was explicitly told that the purpose was reproduction, but that's not the usual purpose of either human or image2text model descriptions.)
• sashank_1509 2y ago
  For the first time ever, it feels like it listens and actually tries to follow what I say. I managed to actually get a good photo of a dog in the beach with shoes, from a side angle, by consistently prompting it and making small changes from one image to another till I got my intended effect
• distalx 2y ago
  I wish AI companies would release new things once a year, like at CES or how Apple does it. This constant stream of releases and announcements feels like it's just for attention.
  • throw310822 2y ago
    Attention is all they need.
    • distalx 2y ago
      Maybe they need to Reform their strategy.
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  • coolspot 2y ago
    Apple held three big keynotes in 2024 plus multiple product announcements via press releases: May 7, 2024 - The “Let Loose” event, focusing on new iPads, including the iPad Pro with the M4 chip and the iPad Air with the M2 chip, along with the Apple Pencil Pro. June 10, 2024 - The Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) keynote, where Apple introduced iOS 18, macOS Sequoia, and other software updates, including Apple Intelligence. September 9, 2024 - The “It’s Glowtime” event, where Apple unveiled the iPhone 16 series, Apple Watch Series 10, and AirPods 4. Via Press releases: MacBook Air with M3 on March 4, the iPad mini on October 15, and various M4-series Macs (MacBook Pro, iMac, and Mac mini) in late October.
    • distalx 2y ago
      I really hadn't noticed all of those! I'm mostly intersted in Macs, so I probably subconsciusly filter out the other announcements. I guess I haven't developed that level of 'ignorance' towards AI yet."
• baltimore 2y ago
  My version of the full glass of wine challenge is "clock face with 13 hour divisions". Nothing I've tried has been able to do it yet.
• gcanyon 2y ago
  > we see the photographer's reflection Am I the only one immediately looking past the amazing text generation, the excellent direction following, the wonderful reflection, and screaming inside my head, "That's not how reflection works!" I know it's super nitpicky when it's so obviously a leap forward on multiple other metrics, but still, that reflection just ain't right.
  • jofzar 2y ago
    Haha it's almost like early 2000's game logic, the logic is that it's the opposite of the viewpoint then reversed. In games they did it by creating a duplicate then reversing it, I wonder if this is the same idea.
  • s3p 2y ago
    Could you explain more? I'm having trouble seeing anything weird in the reflection. Edit: are we talking about the first or second image? I meant to say the image with only the woman seems normal. Image with the two people does seem a bit odd.
    • gcanyon 2y ago
      The first image, with the photographer holding the phone reflected in the white board. Angle of incidence = angle of reflection. That means that the only way to see yourself in a reflective surface is by looking directly at it. Note this refers to looking at your eyes -- you can look down at a mirror to see your feet because your feet aren't where your eyes are. You can google "mirror selfie" to see endless examples of this. Now look for one where the camera isn't pointing directly at the mirror. From the way the white board is angled, it's clear the phone isn't facing it directly. And yet the reflection of the phone/photographer is near-center in frame. If you face a mirror and angle to the left the way the image is, your reflection won't be centered, it'll be off to the right, where your eyes can see it because you have a very wide field of view, but a phone would not.
• andrelaszlo 2y ago
  I try this on every new generation: Generate a photo of a lake taken by a mobile phone camera. No hands or phones in the photo, just the lake. The hand holding a phone is always there :D
  • Davidp00 2y ago
    Not when I tried https://i.imgur.com/1cPaXn5.png https://i.imgur.com/1cPaXn5.png
  • cloudsurf 2y ago
    ditto for me. prompted to remove hands, but no success.
  • LeoPanthera 2y ago
    Few image generation AI tools understand negatives. If you tell it "not" to do something, that something will always appear somehow.
• zjp 2y ago
  Has the meaning of the words "available today" changed since I learned them?
  • bigstrat2003 2y ago
    They're doing "vibe writing", where you just use words to mean random things regardless of whether they actually mean that.
  • CGamesPlay 2y ago
    Just curious, where do you see the words "available today"?
  • LeoPanthera 2y ago
    It is now available. It is still the same day of this release.
    • SirMaster 2y ago
      It's the next day and I am still only getting DALL-E images...
• 725686 2y ago
  Not a criticism, but It stands out how all the researchers or employees in these videos are non native English speakers (i.e. not American). Nothing wrong with that, on the contrary, it just seems odd that the only American is Altman. Same thing with the last videos from Zuck, if I recall correctly. Especially in this Trump era of MAGA.
• jofzar 2y ago
  Still failing the wine glass test, https://imgur.com/a/aS8e0UY https://imgur.com/a/aS8e0UY
  • oortoo 2y ago
    It was easy to fix though, I just said "all the way full" and it got it on the next try. Which makes sense, a full pour is actually "overfull" given normal standards.
  • golol 2y ago
    that's probably dalle
  • tymscar 2y ago
    This to me is the clearest example of why there is no actual physical simulation understanding of the world in these models
  • psolidgold 2y ago
    Worked for me with a clarification. Looks pretty great, actually. https://imgur.com/a/V8eQWi6 https://imgur.com/a/V8eQWi6
• feelingsonice 2y ago
  Why won't they add benchmarks against o1?
• beardbandit 2y ago
  The easy infographic generation scares me on the implications for society.
• nmilo 2y ago
  Visual internet content is completely over. Pack it up
  • oortoo 2y ago
    For starters, this completely blocks generation of anything remotely related to copy-protected IPs, which may actually be a saving grace for some creatives. There's a lot of demand for fanart of existing characters, so until this type of model can be run locally, the legal blocks in place actually give artists some space to play in where they don't have to compete with this. At least for a short while.
    • OhioMan2943 2y ago
      Despite likely being trained on and stealing from copy protected ips? Not sure if they've changed their approach to training data
    • z7 2y ago
      >For starters, this completely blocks generation of anything remotely related to copy-protected IPs It did Dragon Ball Z here: https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1jjtcn9/the_new_image_generator_released_today_is_so_good https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1jjtcn9/the_new_im... Rick and Morty: https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1jjtcn9/the_new_image_generator_released_today_is_so_good/mjpvh24 https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1jjtcn9/the_new_im... South Park: https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1jjyn5q/openais_new_4o_image_generation_is_insane/mjrdc4c https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1jjyn5q/openais_ne...
    • CaptainFever 2y ago
      Fan-art is still illegal, especially since a lot of fan artists are doing it commercially nowadays via commissions and Patreon. It's just that companies have stopped bothering to sue for it because individual artists are too small to bother with, and it's bad PR. (Nintendo did take down a super popular Pokemon porn comic, though.) So it's ironic in this sense, that OpenAI blocking generation of copyrighted characters means that it's more in compliance with copyright laws than most fan artists out there, in this context. If you consider AI training to be transformative enough to be permissible, then they are more copyright-respecting in general. Source: https://lawsoup.org/legal-guides/copyright-protecting-creative-artistic-business-work/fan-art/ https://lawsoup.org/legal-guides/copyright-protecting-creati...
• alex_young 2y ago
  I tried a few of the prompts and the results I see are far worse than the examples provided. Seems like there will be some room for artists yet in this brave new world.
  • famouswaffles 2y ago
    It hasn't actually rolled out to everyone yet in chat. You'll have to try it on sora to be sure.
• joseneca 2y ago
  It is amazing how far text generation in images has come over the past 1-2 years
• bongodongobob 2y ago
  Garbage compared to Midjourney. I don't even know why you'd market this. It's takes a minute or more and the results are what I'd say Midjourney looked like 1.5 years ago.
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  • WXLCKNO 2y ago
    Prompt adherence is far, far ahead of midjourney. FAR.
    • bongodongobob 2y ago
      I don't have an hour to work an image. It's slow as hell.
• prats226 2y ago
  Is there a technical paper released about the model architecture? Great resolution points to diffusion style generation rather than just token based?
• OhioMan2943 2y ago
  Similar to regular LLM plagarism, it's pretty obvious that visual artefacts like the loadout screen for the rpg cat (video game heading) which is inspired by diablo, aren't unique at all and just the result of other peoples efforts and livelihoods.
• ilaksh 2y ago
  The new model in the drop down says something like "4o Create Image (Updated)". It is truly incredible. Far better than any other image generator as far as understanding and following complex prompts. I was blown away when they showed this many months ago, and found it strange that more people weren't talking about it. This is much more precise than the Gemini one that just came out recently.
  • MoonGhost 2y ago
    > found it strange that more people weren't talking about it. Some simply dislike everything OpenAI. Just like everything Musk or Trump.
• ryanmcgarvey 2y ago
  Still can't show me a clock that isn't 10:10. Otherwise impressive.
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• OhioMan2943 2y ago
  This is incredibly impressive, but it's still theft of assets.
• cchance 2y ago
  question i have is when do we get an opensource version of this form of image generation will we see diffusion models moving to this space
• batata_frita 2y ago
  What is the api price?
• scarface_74 2y ago
  Something crazy, the old model couldn’t draw a 5.25 drive. I tried this myself at the time. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42628742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42628742 The new one can. https://chatgpt.com/share/67e36dee-6694-8010-b337-04f37eeb5cb4 https://chatgpt.com/share/67e36dee-6694-8010-b337-04f37eeb5c...
• TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
  The best thing about this is how the still of the livestream at the bottom is the most uncanny valley image.
• tracerbulletx 2y ago
  Wow this works really well at editing existing photos.
• dawatchusay 2y ago
  The reflections in the whiteboard are all off. Do they address this?
• huijzer 2y ago
  So Google released Gemini 2.5 and one hour later OpenAI comes with this. It’s almost childish at this point.
  • AuthConnectFail 2y ago
    its other way around, openai was gonna announce it so Google upstaged
• vunderba 2y ago
  Ran through some of my relatively complex prompts combined with using pure text prompts as the de-facto means of making adjustments to the images (in contrast to using something like img2img / inpainting / etc.) https://mordenstar.com/blog/chatgpt-4o-images https://mordenstar.com/blog/chatgpt-4o-images It's definitely impressive though once again fell flat on the ability to render a 9-pointed star.
  • jimbo_joe 2y ago
    Didn't work for me on the first prompting (got a 10-pointed one), but after sending [this is 10 points, make it 9] it did render a 9-pointed one too
  • ttul 2y ago
    Fantastic prompts!
  • algo_trader 2y ago
    Have u had any luck with engineering/schematics/wireframe diagrams such as [1] ?? [1] https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/pasted-image-0.png https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/pasted-ima...
    • vunderba 2y ago
      Great question. I haven't tested the creation of such an image from scratch, but I did add an adjustment test against that specific text-heavy diagram and I'd say it passed with "flying colors". (pun intended).
    • randomjoe2 2y ago
      Here's what it created based on a text description of your schematic https://i.imgur.com/sGfdtWo.png https://i.imgur.com/sGfdtWo.png
  • therealdrag0 2y ago
    Armless Venus with bread is true art
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• krishnasangeeth 2y ago
  Really liked the fact that the team shared all the shortcomings of the model in the post. Sometimes products just highlights the best results and isn't forthcoming in areas that need improvement. Kudos to the OpenAI team on that.
• wiradikusuma 2y ago
  Just curious if it works for creating a comic strip? I.e. will it maintain the consistency of the characters? I watched a video somewhere they demo'ed it creating comic panels, but I want to create the panels one by one.
  • nestorD 2y ago
    I believe so! Since it is good at consistency and can be feed reference images, you can generate character references and deed those, along with the previous panels, to the model working one panel at a time.
• glooglork 2y ago
  https://chatgpt.com/share/67e39ffa-3a98-8011-ab79-fe3ac7663228 https://chatgpt.com/share/67e39ffa-3a98-8011-ab79-fe3ac76632... Asking it to draw the Balkans map in Tolkien style, this is actually really impressive, geography is more or less completely correct, borders and country locations are wrong, but it feels like something I could get it to fix.
  • geysersam 2y ago
    Strange, I'm getting > I wasn't able to generate the map because the request didn't follow content policy guidelines. Let me know if you'd like me to adjust the request or suggest an alternative way to achieve a similar result. Are you in the US? ...why are we living in such a retarded sci-fi age
    • glooglork 2y ago
      No, I'm in Croatia. Just tried again and it's working https://chatgpt.com/share/67e3d18a-75e0-8011-ba67-fdcd13aa7feb https://chatgpt.com/share/67e3d18a-75e0-8011-ba67-fdcd13aa7f...
      • antihero 2y ago
        Weird, I can't see the image at all. Edit: Eventually it showed up
      • geysersam 2y ago
        Strange, I can see your second image but not the first.
• bb88 2y ago
  My experience with these announcements is that they're cherry picking the best results from a maybe several hundred or a thousand prompts. I'm not saying that it's not true, it's just "wait and see" before you take their word as gold. I think MS's claim on their quantum computing breakthrough is the latest form of this.
  • lottaFLOPS 2y ago
    it’s rolling out to users on all tiers, so no need to wait. I tried it and saw outputs from many others. it’s good. very good
    • bb88 2y ago
      Chat GPT requires logging in with an email. I hesitated on that. That's why I prefer to wait.
      • dkarras 2y ago
        You can create e-mail addresses for single use, even temporary ones.
  • kilroy123 2y ago
    Have you tried it? It's crazy good.
    • bb88 2y ago
      No offense but after years of vaporware and announcements that seemed more plausible than implausible, I'll remain skeptical. I will also not give them my email address just to try it out.
      • Maxion 2y ago
        Why are you making blanket statements on things that you haven't even tried? This is leaps and bounds better than before.
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• mtillman 2y ago
  The fact that it nailed the awkward engineer high five (image 2) is pretty impressive as someone who only gives awkward high fives.
  • rhubarbtree 2y ago
    One of the fingers is the wrong way around… it’s a big improvement but it’s easy to find major problems, and these are the best of 8 images and presumably cherry picked.
• nbzso 2y ago
  Where are the lawyers where you need them?
• StefanBatory 2y ago
  This technology should have never existed. Thank you OpenAI for being a contributing factor to destroying politics in future. And I hope that people who worked on this know this. They are pure evil.
• computergert 2y ago
  It does extremely well at creating images of copyrighted characters. Dall-e couldn't generate images of Miffy, this one can. Same for "Kikker en vriendjes" - a dutch children's book. There seems to be copyright protection at all?
• Garlef 2y ago
  > I wasn’t able to generate the image because the combination of abstract elements and stylistic blending [...] may have triggered content filters related to ambiguous or intense visuals. nah. i pass and stick with midjourney.
• system2 2y ago
  I am blown away by the hyperrealistic renderings, especially of humans. It is getting to the point where I can no longer distinguish ai ones.
• megamix 2y ago
  Are these models also based on copyrighted material? Can anyone provide a brief explanation if the datasets are scraped or CC super-public-images ?
• RobinL 2y ago
  It's very impressive. It feels like the text is a bit of a hack where they're somehow rendering the text separately and interpolating it into the image. Not always, I got it to render calligraphy with flourishes, but only for a handful of words. For example, I asked it to render a few lines of text on a medieval scroll, and it basically looked like a picture of a gothic font written onto a background image of a scroll
  • beala 2y ago
    This doesn't explain the whiteboard example at the link. The handwritten text on the whiteboard does not look like a font at all.
    • suddenlybananas 2y ago
      You could have a model that receives the generated raw text and then is trained to display it in whatever style. Whether it looks like a font or not is irrelevant.
• aurareturn 2y ago
  First AI image generator to pass the uncanny valley test? Seems like it. This is the biggest leap in image generation quality I've ever seen. How much longer until an AI that can generate 30 frames with this quality and make a movie? About 1.5 years ago, I thought AI would eventually allow anyone with an idea to make a Hollywood quality movie. Seems like we're not too far off. Maybe 2-3 more years?
  • kgeist 2y ago
    >First AI image generator to pass the uncanny valley test? Other image generators I've used lately often produced pretty good images of humans, as well [0]. It was DALLE that consistently generated incredibly awful images. Glad they're finally fixing it. I think what most AI image generators lack the most is good instruction following. [0] YandexArt for the first prompt from the post: https://imgur.com/a/VvNbL7d https://imgur.com/a/VvNbL7d The woman looks okay, but the text is garbled, and it didn't fully follow the instruction.
    • aurareturn 2y ago
      Do you have another example from YandexArt? https://images.ctfassets.net/kftzwdyauwt9/7M8kf5SPYHBW2X9N46OGZv/bb75c40a6b7a4044665dcb874664ada2/hero_image1-whiteboard2.png?w=1920&q=90&fm=webp https://images.ctfassets.net/kftzwdyauwt9/7M8kf5SPYHBW2X9N46... OpenAI's human faces look *almost* real.
      • kgeist 2y ago
        >OpenAI's human faces look almost real. Not sure, I tried a few generations, and it still produces those weird deformed faces, just like the previous generation: https://imgur.com/a/iKGboDH https://imgur.com/a/iKGboDH Yeah, sometimes it looks okay. YandexArt for comparison: https://imgur.com/a/K13QJgU https://imgur.com/a/K13QJgU
        • aurareturn 2y ago
          I can tell YandexArt's human faces are AI right away. They have the "shine" on their faces. They look too flawless.
• Gusarich 2y ago
  It produces amazing results for me! But the wow effect would have been greater if they had released it a few months ago.
• ant6n 2y ago
  One very neat thing the interwebs are talking about is the ghiblification of family pictures. It’s actually pretty cute: https://x.com/grantslatton/status/1904631016356274286 https://x.com/grantslatton/status/1904631016356274286 In the coming days, people will Anime all sorts of images, for example historical images: https://x.com/keysmashbandit/status/1904764224636592188 https://x.com/keysmashbandit/status/1904764224636592188
• alkonaut 2y ago
  The whiteboard image is insane. Even if it took more than 8 to find it, it's really impressive. To think that a few years ago we had dreamy pictures with eyes everywhere. And not long ago we were always identifying the AI images by the 6 fingered people. I wonder how well the physics is modeled internally. E.g. if you prompt it to model some difficult ray tracing scenario (a box with a separating wall and a light in one of the chambers which leaks through to the other chamber etc)? Or if you have a reflective chrome ball in your scene, how well does it understand that the image reflected must be an exact projection of the visible environment?
• amunozo 2y ago
  Thankfully. It was outrageous how inferior DALL-E 3 was to any other image generation system.
• voidUpdate 2y ago
  > All generated images come with C2PA metadata How easy is this to remove? Is it just like exif data that can be easily stripped out, or is it baked in more permanently somehow
  • GaggiX 2y ago
    Yeah it's just metadata.
• miletus 2y ago
  saw this thread on X. here are some incredible use cases of 4o image generation: https://x.com/0xmetaschool/status/1904804251148443873 https://x.com/0xmetaschool/status/1904804251148443873
• transitivebs 2y ago
  literally spent all day playing with this until I ran out of image gen capacity a lil while ago. so much fun.
• kerlue 2y ago
  I enjoy trying to break these models. I come up with prompts that are uncommon but valid. I want to see how well they handle data not in their training set. For image generation I like to use “ Generate an image of a woman on vacation in the Caribbean, lying down on the beach without sunglasses, her eyes open.”
• mohitgangrade 2y ago
  Can anyone tell me when this will be available in the API? Or is it already available? I couldn't find anything on the pricing page.
  • juliendorra 2y ago
    The page says in the following week, which is disappointing. It’s likely we will see openAI favor their own product first more and more, an inversion of their more developer oriented start.
• 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  Still can't generate an analog clock face with a given time.
• krick 2y ago
  Can it draw the notorious glass of wine filled to the brim yet?
  • sammy2255 2y ago
    It can indeed
• elif 2y ago
  Like it's predecessor this has most of its utility within the first response, and after that the quality rapidly degrades. I think it is too biased to use heuristics discovered in the first response to apply the same level of compute to subsequent requests. It makes me kind of want to rewrite an interface that builds appropriate context and starts new chats for every request issued..
• ksec 2y ago
  Can someone explain what is going with 4o and Anime with Ghibli Style? Why is it suddenly all over x/twitter?
  • JavierFlores09 2y ago
    it isn't Ghibli style in particular, just any style as 4o image gen is much better at maintaining a particular art style, the ghibli ones just stand out due to one tweet that blew up and people followed along
    • ksec 2y ago
      That makes sense. Although previous model's image gen wont bad as well with Ghibli style. I guess "maintaining a particular art style" is the point here. Thank You.
  • arrowsmith 2y ago
    Someone posted a mildly amusing tweet that blew up and went really viral. Now lots of other people are copying the idea. This dynamic happens on Twitter every day. Tomorrow it'll be a different craze.
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• dumpsterdiver 2y ago
  ChatGPT Pro tip: In addition to video generation, you can use this new image gen functionality in Sora and apply all of your custom templates to it! I generated this template (using my Sora Preset Generator, which I think is public) to test reasoning and coherency within the image: Theme: Educational Scientific Visualization – Ultra Realistic Cutaways Color: Naturalistic palettes that reflect real-world materials (e.g., rocky grays, soil browns, fiery reds, translucent biological tones) with high contrast between layers for clarity Camera: High-resolution macro and sectional views using a tilt-shift camera for extreme detail; fixed side angles or dynamic isometric perspective to maximize spatial understanding Film Stock: Hyper-realistic digital rendering with photogrammetry textures and 8K fidelity, simulating studio-grade scientific documentation Lighting: Studio-quality three-point lighting with soft shadows and controlled specular highlights to reveal texture and depth without visual noise Vibe: Immersive and precise, evoking awe and fascination with the inner workings of complex systems; blends realism with didactic clarity Content Transformation: The input is transformed into a hyper-detailed, realistically textured cutaway model of a physical or biological structure—faithful to material properties and scale—enhanced for educational use with visual emphasis on internal mechanics, fluid systems, and spatial orientation Examples: 1. A photorealistic geological cutaway of Earth showing crust, tectonic plates, mantle convection currents, and the liquid iron core with temperature gradients and seismic wave paths. 2. An ultra-detailed anatomical cross-section of the human torso revealing realistic organs, vasculature, muscular layers, and tissue textures in lifelike coloration. 3. A high-resolution cutaway of a jet engine mid-operation, displaying fuel flow, turbine rotation, air compression zones, and combustion chamber intricacies. 4. A hyper-realistic underground slice of a city showing subway lines, sewage systems, electrical conduits, geological strata, and building foundations. 5. A realistic cutaway of a honeybee hive with detailed comb structures, developing larvae, worker bee behavior zones, and active pollen storage processes.
• theptip 2y ago
  It’s pretty good, the interesting thing is when it fails it seems to often be able to reason about what went wrong. So when we get CoT scaffolding for this it’ll be incredibly competent.
• glonq 2y ago
  So did they deprecate the ability to use DALL-E 3 to generate images? I asked the legacy ChatGPT 4 model to generate an image and it used the new 4o style image generator.
  • youreth4tguy 2y ago
    I think you can still use it on Bing.
• guybedo 2y ago
  fwiw i've added a summary of this discussion here (https://extraakt.com/extraakts/gpt-4o-image-generation-discussion https://extraakt.com/extraakts/gpt-4o-image-generation-discu...) to keep track of the main points
• DotSauce 2y ago
  I created an app to generate image prompts specifically for 4o. Geared towards business and marketing. Any feedback is welcome. https://imageprompts.app/ https://imageprompts.app/
• HarshaNP 2y ago
  someone try to make an open source version of it. I need to know the inner workings of this cool thing.
• yus07 2y ago
  drug repositiong for sarcopenia
• yus07 2y ago
  drug repurposing for sarcopenia
• elif 2y ago
  Is anyone else getting wild rejections on content policy since this morning? I spent about 20 minutes trying to get it to turn my zoo photos into cartoons and could not get a single animal picture past the content moderation.... Even when I told it to transform it into a text description, then draw that text description, my earlier attempt at a cat picture meant that the description was too close to a banned image... I can't help but feel like openAI and grok are on unhelpful polar opposites when it comes to moderation.
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