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Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives. Seriously, America, this is like Brexit but 1000x. A voluntary decision, ta
by rich_sasha 2y ago
Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives.
Seriously, America, this is like Brexit but 1000x. A voluntary decision, taken with gusto, to chop off arms and legs and ears and fingers and whatnot, cut off the deadwood, be light and free, a lone vessel on the ocean of prosperity, free of the burden of the stupid foreigners who are the sole reason why everything was going wrong.
- eunos 2y agoEspecially F-35 where lack of American support means total brick. Hey, at least Ukraine can use their S-300 systems and Sukhois against their maker.
- bborud 2y agoThis is top of mind for all European countries that bought the F-35. They are painfully aware of this. So is the US defense industry which will notice softening sales kicking in a few years down the line as European countries are less inclined to buy US arms. This was predictable though. The markets have already rewarded those who saw this coming.
- eunos 2y agoBut if the EU has no 5th gen fighters then they'd have a hard time maintaining Air Superiority against Russia if they manage to mass produce Su-57 or Su-75 and I am betting the Russian can do it before EU can have 5th gen fighters or FCAS.
- postingawayonhn 2y agoThe Russian aviation industry has a terrible track record on delivering new aircraft.
- eunos 2y agoI'm willing to entertain the possibility that the Russian can improve the track record faster than the EU develops 5th gen fighters.
- eitland 2y agoSo far their 5th generation fighter program has been an even worse embarrassement than the T14 Armata. Their own press photos shows uncovered Philips screws on a supposedly stealth aircraft, and their "loyal wingman" drone used the first opportunity near the frontlines to try to defect.
- SiempreViernes 2y agoSure, but that risk is just something Europe has to eat as punishment for buying F-35 instead of building their own, it doesn't affect the new reality that US aircraft cannot be trusted in wartime.
- eunos 2y agoI'm highlighting more about EU conundrum here and I'm still amused that they still have energy to pick up fight with say China.
- rich_sasha 2y agoThankfully, Russia doesn't really have 5th Gen either. Europe has a lot of solid 4+ gen planes: Rafale, Eurofighter, maybe Gripen. And I'm willing to guess that, especially with better trained pilots, these are potentially better than Russia's assortment. But there remains a question of quantity and determination.
- varjag 2y agoThe surviving Russian pilots are pretty competent at this point.
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- fullstackwife 2y ago> Russia if they manage to mass produce Su-57 or Su-75 They can only do that if US provides them with required components oh wait...
- eunos 2y agoI'm willing to bet they can do it with possible financial assistance from India (they need 5th gen fighters too) and generic chips from China. P.S. Many mocked Russian munitions came with chips made by Texas Instruments among others, but thing is those chips are so damn generic you can get that from random shops in Shenzhen.
- eitland 2y agoIndia already got burned. Their previous orders have still not been delivered since they were sent to the frontlines in Ukraine. I doubt India will want to repeat that.
- eunos 2y agoNot many options for India. F-35 is also very risky and unclear delivery date, not to mention they also got burned by delayed F414 engines delivery for their Tejas. With rumours of Pakistan getting J-35, 5th Gen fighters are necessity I guess. Besides they can force Russian to manufacture them in India like Su-30 MKI.
- matthewdgreen 2y agoRussia doesn’t have air superiority in Ukraine and they chose the time and place of the war.
- mhog_hn 2y agoGood, can we skip the 5th gen and move towards autonomous aerial systems faster?
- thewinnie 2y agoRussia already lost Su-57 in Ukraine when ukrainians didn't even had F-16.
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- ben_w 2y agoI think Russian capabilities depends almost entirely on who the US and China are willing to sell weapons to — Russia has huge corruption problems, arguably this is why they were dumb enough to not only start a war but also why they weren't able to actually pull off a blitzkrieg against Ukraine, so I don't think Russia will be able to combine high volume and high quality for anything any time soon. EU industrial capabilities may also have issues, but they are (mostly) different ones than Russia faces.
- maxglute 2y agoYeah a lot of RU dismissing here. Whatever shit tier RU MIC/performance has been, it has manage to consistently defeat or mitigate what US+EU has thrown against her. Which includes highend gear like PAC3 MSE. Meanwhile half the reason RU had a hard time was due to facing UKR's abundant legacy USSR systems. At this point it's not unreasonable to dismiss everything in EU arsenal as wunderwaffe tier especially without US support. Including F35... which even if US doesn't restrict usage against EU-RU scenario, could still be borderline paperweight without US tier ISR. People also forget NATO fought a much shitter/temu RU in Yugoslavia where NATO threw everything at even more legacy soviet systems. All of the awacs, prowlers, F117 barely chiped away at 20% of Yugoslav anti air, something like 700 harms were fired and destroyed less than handful of SA6 batteries. Hard to argue EU part of NATO has better military capability than 20 years ago. IMO there's a strong chance US would heavily restrict/limit F35 operations against RU. Because one shot down F35 by S400 let alone anything shittier completely evaporates narrative around 5th gen (and what that entails for IndoPac). They'd rather see RU hit F35s in hangers with standoff munitions because at least they can point to JP and SKR and say, see, you need to build harden air shelters.
- eunos 2y ago> People also forget NATO fought a much shitter/temu RU in Yugoslavia where NATO threw everything at even more legacy soviet systems. All of the awacs, prowlers, F117 barely chiped away at 20% of Yugoslav anti air, something like 700 harms were fired and destroyed less than handful of SA6 batteries. Hard to argue EU part of NATO has better military capability than 20 years ago Likewise the reason why Russia couldn't steamroll Ukraine swiftly is because Ukraine anti air is very formidable (using Soviet hardware no less). That is why it is wrong to simply assume Russia is weak.
- bojan 2y agoThat's the thing - having F-35s doesn't mean any more you actually have them, even though you paid through your teeth for them.
- cratermoon 2y agoSounds like Kindle books.
- CoastalCoder 2y agoSo, F-35 Kindle edition.
- Spooky23 2y agoIf. They have less than 30 airframes, probably 30-40% have some level of operational airworthiness. The Russians get a lot of glazing on social media about military prowess. The reality is they’re fighting a tiny, poor country, got their asses kicked early on when nobody was really helping Ukraine substantially, mostly by virtue of their own incompetence. The Russians version of the USAF is their information operations. They’ve helped to nurture right wing shitheads in the US for decades culminating in two freakshow presidential administrations. They’ve done the same in Germany in the former GDR and in the UK with the leave wankers.
- rich_sasha 2y agoI wonder if we'll see a coordinated wave of F-35 cancellations. They must all be aware they are potentially buying bricks. The time to do it, thus, is now - the situation isn't improving while time and money are wasted. But that's an enormous political escalation. Or maybe Europeans, as "founding members", are able to support the planes on their own? I doubt it though. The engine alone is US made, ans that alone is probably unmaintainable without their support.
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoIt is not going to happen. There is no european manufacturer or a consortium that can build a similar airplane with comparable capabilities. They can't even match the F-22 which is more than two decades old. The only way Europe can match Russia/China is to keep buying american made weapons. Maybe in 20-30 years the situation will be different and Europe will have the same capabilities of the US, but until then... buy, baby, buy!
- lou1306 2y agoAny warplane that _works_ has comparable, nay even better capabilities than a brick.
- generic92034 2y agoThere are three superpowers, only one of which has shown no hostility towards Europe. Draw your conclusions.
- cutemonster 2y agoThere are two. Russia is not a super power. Putin has nukes, apart from that Russia is a pretty irrelevant country. More like this: Two super powers, and a terror nukes nation.
- generic92034 2y agoIt does not really change my argument, if you exclude Russia from the group. It was about possible alignment options Europe now has. However, any power able to incinerate large parts of the planet is a bit more than a regional power, in my eyes.
- StayTrue 2y agoCanada’s largest newspaper published an opinion piece [0] calling for the cancellation of F-35 purchases. The article calls out source code availability in its argument. [0] https://archive.is/2LLkO https://archive.is/2LLkO
- mc32 2y agoEurope does not produce a 5th gen fighter. By the time they get one out, the big three will have 6th gen fighters.
- amarcheschi 2y agoEurope is developing 6th Gen fighter(s) already though. And yes, Europe produces a 5th Gen fighter. The f35 is made only in USA and Italy, although I share the worries on having a potentially brickable device
- bborud 2y ago5th gen is a nonsense marketing term. It is far less about the plane itself and more about how it integrates into a force. This is why russian figthers are pretty useless: they are not integrated with the rest of the force and they lack coordination. The russians do not even have the ability to discriminate between their own planes and enemy planes when making decisions to launch AA missiles.
- mrweasel 2y agoWhile I doubt that it solves all the issue, subcontractors, imported parts and so on, but the Italian F-35s are build be Leonardo in Cameri in Italy. How long would it take BAE, SAAB or Leonardo to un-brick an F-35? Again, not ideal, but the first F-35 have been delivered an need to be serviced and maintained until they can be replaced,... or maybe just until the next US election.
- acdha 2y agoI think there’s an interesting question about how important updates are: say they unbrick it, how often do you have before there’s some change you’d actually want to have but it’s no longer easily available? This feels like the much higher-stakes version of people trying to jailbreak phones without losing security updates.
- jandrewrogers 2y agoHardware is not the issue. The US strictly controls the software whence many differentiated capabilities of the aircraft come. This includes a lot of secret computer science R&D that no one has access to. Countries were buying it for the advanced software.
- notpushkin 2y agoCan they reverse engineer it?
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- Eupolemos 2y agoUK and Israel have a deal where they can replace the software or some such. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKNPCk-fd8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKNPCk-fd8I
- jandrewrogers 2y agoThe Israelis weren’t given a choice in the matter. The challenge is that parts of the software required for some key capabilities use advanced computer science R&D that is not in the literature. You can fly the airframe but there is a significant reduction in capability unless you can also produce equivalent algorithms and data processing technology.
- Spooky23 2y agoThe Mossad is great at industrial espionage, and as the US gov alienates and lets “big balls” exfiltrate critical information, they’ll probably see advancements.
- tempest_ 2y agoProbably don't even need to work that hard. The Saudis got a bunch of nuclear secrets the first round so I am sure F35 info can be brought to Mar a lago.
- spitfire 2y agoI have a copy of the original cognitive radar papers. You can find most of them, the real work is doing a real world implementation. I’m not aware of any computer science breakthroughs required for the f35.
- jandrewrogers 2y agoThe cognitive radar stuff is old tech. I don’t think that concept is really considered a differentiated capability beyond being a sophisticated implementation. Almost by definition, any classified computer science research would be non-obvious.
- casenmgreen 2y agoF-35 going off the menu means the two Brit aircraft carriers have no aircraft.
- eunos 2y agoLol Royal Navy would soon have more admirals than military hardwares.
- metalman 2y ago"their S-300 systems and Sukhois against their maker" by "thier" you of course mean every single last operational legacy system from the former soviet block and customers.....so all of those ,ummmm, suppliers, are now realising the worth of the promesary "upgrades" they got for thier systems, plus knowing that even glancing east, is not going to go well, and that central europe now has them....."(insert unpleasant imagery here)" Trump been at this?, what 50 days? whole classes of sinecures getting shut down, no end in site
- Someone 2y agoI don’t know how much it’s worth but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_procurement#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning...: “On 27 May 2006, President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair announced that "Both governments agree that the UK will have the ability to successfully operate, upgrade, employ, and maintain the Joint Strike Fighter such that the UK retains operational sovereignty over the aircraft." In December 2006, an agreement was signed which met the UK's demands for further participation, i.e., access to software source code and operational sovereignty. The agreement allows "an unbroken British chain of command" for operation of the aircraft.”
- gonzo41 2y agoIf you can't make every part of the plane it's not really yours.
- Aachen 2y agoI can't forge metal but I feel like my forks in my kitchen are mine because I can operate and maintain them until they fundamentally break. I do think that's ownership But I agree there's more than one way to view ownership and I can see your point, even if I don't think I agree so long as the UK can truly operate it in every way, including software that might need adapting (like how I might bend my fork's prong back into shape, or out of shape for adaptations)
- gonzo41 2y agoFor forks fine. But military equipment breaks all the time. And the maintenance requirements on things like jets are 4:1 or greater. So having a jet down because a part is missing and not able to be supplied is a real issue.
- Someone 2y agoCan the USA make every part of the F35? https://www.czdefence.com/article/europeanisation-of-the-f-35 https://www.czdefence.com/article/europeanisation-of-the-f-3...: “The F-35's manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, states that currently around 25% of the F-35's components are manufactured in Europe.” That doesn’t say the USA cannot make every part, but I think it’s likely they will have trouble producing some of them. For example, https://simpleflying.com/how-many-international-parts-us-f-35-fighter-jet/ https://simpleflying.com/how-many-international-parts-us-f-3... states the F35 has Martin Baker ejection seats and the F35B has Rolls-Royce engines.
- bboygravity 2y agoSince when was the US in the European Union or even near Europe? How is it like Brexit in the slightest? Why is it the US's responsibility to finance and organize the majority of EU's defense? PS: I'm from and in Europe. I don't get why it is a good or logical thing that the US should be responsible for the majority of "Western" defense on our territory.
- goosedragons 2y agoBrexit damaged the UK's economy and partnerships. The actions the US keep taking are like that but worse. They are pissing off allies in Europe by doing things like this, they are damaging their own economy and partnerships by threatening and placing tariffs on allies for no real reason.
- apeescape 2y agoBecause it's been a really good deal for the US. 1. European countries have (for the most part) not had an incentive to build military might, which means they won't be adversaries to the US. 2. This dependency on the US has given the US a lot of soft power in terms of diplomatic pull. In the past, the US could just ask Europe to jump, and Europeans would ask how high. 3. In addition to Europe, it's also kept Russia in check, because it has prevented them from expanding to the west.
- mijamo 2y agoIt was a win win arrangement of sorts. Europe got to spend less on defense. US won a reliable ally that would not challenge them much, and help enforce worldwide US dominance. Basically a near vassal situation.
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- QuadmasterXLII 2y agoI think you need to reassess your instrumental subgoals, because this isn’t a game you can win by owning the libs: if Trump fucks the US hard enough, your life is still gonna suck even if everyone blames Biden and hates democrats.
- timbit42 2y agoMore countries are already considering building nuclear deterrence for the past month or so.
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- nonrandomstring 2y agoThere is actually a psychiatric disorder (from an Oliver Sacks book) where the patient wakes up one day with a terrible conviction that their own healthy limbs are not theirs, and with an overwhelming urge to amputate them. Sometimes it's so distressing that amputation is actually done. This kind of happened to the US.
- xnx 2y agoGreat analogy! "Body integrity identity disorder (BIID), or body integrity dysphoria, is a mental health condition where you feel that a limb or healthy body part shouldn’t be part of your body." https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/body-integrity-identity-disorder-biid https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/body-integrit...
- labster 2y agoWhile I agree with you, I think the problem goes beyond military equipment. There’s a lot of risk now in doing business with America in every field, because it’s so unpredictable. Why get cloud or SaaS from the US if they’re one executive order away from being forced to break the GDPR — or shut off service completely, like Maxar in Ukraine. Why build supply chains through America if the price of raw materials can arbitrarily change with tariffs? Sure, it’s a huge market to sell to, but all of those risks have real costs.
- rich_sasha 2y agoYes, I agree. There was a view that Trump is at least transactional - that so long as you pay (NATO defense spending target, US weapons etc) he'll have your back,.in a subscription basis. Likewise outside defense I guess. But that's going up in smoke rather quickly.
- PartiallyTyped 2y agoThe word for what you describe is racketeering.
- svara 2y agoYes, exactly. I'm beginning to think that being somewhat reined in by the Republican establishment in his first term, a weakness that the MAGA-crowd sought to correct, ultimately worked in his favor in protecting him from his poor instincts. It's like he doesn't understand that trust and reliability have a real, tangible value. That's simply a misjudgment. Maybe he actually believes that America is so exceptionally strong that any sort of cooperation ultimately works against it? It's terribly sad and depressing frankly. A small part of me still has hope that this is going to end badly, in that it turns into a useful lesson, but not badly enough to cause lasting damage. I might be naive.
- labster 2y agoWe’re only seven weeks in, and the damage so far will probably take a decade to fix. I’m not as optimistic as you about the remaining 201 weeks — if that in fact is the number.
- dopidopHN 2y agoI have friends working on the French Rafale. Really expensive plane, mildly successful so far. They are really busy right now.
- noisy_boy 2y agoIronically India's decision to go with Rafale looks great in the current circumstances.
- phlakaton 2y agoAnd you know who we call that lone vessel on the ocean of prosperity? Bob.
- pokstad 2y agoUkraine wasn’t a buyer. They were given those F16s. Be careful when something is given for “free”.
- adamors 2y agoThe Netherlands for instance, who gave Ukraine a batch of F16s _was_ a buyer. Logic still stands, US made anything is worthless if it includes a kill switch that can be toggled any time post-purchase.
- pokstad 2y agoGood point, but I wonder if there was something in the agreement between the US and the Netherlands when those were originally sold.
- delfinom 2y agoThey all create export agreements where countries have to seek permission to reexport and more. Usually for political plays. It's also the same reason the Swiss defense industry is now in collapse. Because they refused to allow re-export of ammo to Ukraine citing Swiss neutrality. It immediately made all Swiss made ammo worthless for all european countries in event of war. Lol Apparently the Swiss are still talking of revising their law while their defense industry is crying because nobody wants to buy their shit as European countries want to be able to help other European countries. Especially circles like the Nordic or Baltic regions where the countries are extremely buddy buddy.
- magicalhippo 2y agoSome sources on this: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign-affairs/is-the-swiss-weapons-industry-in-danger-of-misfiring/73451471 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/foreign-affairs/is-the-swiss-we... https://breakingdefense.com/2023/03/the-cost-of-neutrality-swiss-defense-industry-just-losing-our-market-amid-ukraine-conflict/ https://breakingdefense.com/2023/03/the-cost-of-neutrality-s...
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- RobotToaster 2y ago"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoPost the rest of the quote. If I recall he was warning against alienating an ally. He didn't want the quote to become true.
- RobotToaster 2y agoYes, he was basically warning that short termism, and constantly throwing people under the bus, will be bad for American imperialism in the long term. "Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." Thieu did meet the same fate, well, he wasn't killed, but he was overthrown and lived life in exile as a recluse. Zelenskyy will almost certainly suffer the same fate.
- wyldfire 2y agoThe agenda that Trump advanced during campaigns was not "cut ourselves off from the rest of the world". Do his supporters really want this? What's the rationale he advances for this stance and the tarrifs? What would a president who was beholden to Russians do once elected? I mean -- what's the point of provoking Canada, of all countries? Canada as the 51st US state would be the new most populous state and would cause a huge change in US politics. Not to mention it could only arrive through conquest. So why even propose it if not merely to cause a rift?
- jisnsm 2y agoThe agenda was to leave Ukraine and to have Europe pay for its own defence which is what’s happening here. Nothing more, nothing less. Don’t let yourself get manipulated by Reddit-tier arguments.
- snozolli 2y agoThe agenda is to abandon US allies and let Russia expand however it wants, because that's what Putin wants. Putin wants to erase the Ukrainian cultural identity, which is what Russia has tried to do for centuries.
- af78 2y agoIt goes beyond that: - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7435pnle0go https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7435pnle0go US sides with Russia in UN resolutions on Ukraine (the US rejected a resolution that named Russia as the aggressor). - https://news.online.ua/en/the-us-is-ending-support-for-ukrainian-f-16s-but-there-is-a-way-out-891472/ https://news.online.ua/en/the-us-is-ending-support-for-ukrai... The US is ending support for Ukrainian F-16 - https://www.reuters.com/world/us-cuts-off-intelligence-sharing-with-ukraine-ft-reports-2025-03-05/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us-cuts-off-intelligence-shari... US cuts intelligence sharing for Ukraine, adding pressure for Russia peace deal - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-08/us-vetoes-g-7-shadow-fleet-task-force-plan-signals-more-change https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-08/us-vetoes... US Vetoes G-7 Shadow Fleet Task Force Plan There's a pattern: Trump wants to force a capitulation of Ukraine.
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- apwell23 2y ago> Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives. they are doing what they should've been doing this whole time?
- ajmurmann 2y agoIt's a big advantage if allies use compatible or identical kit.
- stouset 2y agoDoes Europe lessening their desire to buy US-designed and US-made military hardware benefit or harm the US? Extend this to other areas of commerce. If the US is no longer a reliable trade partner and its allies lessen their economic ties, is that a positive outcome for the US?
- ascorbic 2y agoA week ago Trump killed the western alliance when he made it clear that allies could not rely on the US. This week he has killed the US weapons export business. Not a single country will trust them now. It would be quite an interesting thing to watch if we didn't have to live here.
- jcgrillo 2y agoHe also may have killed US agriculture, we'll find out in the next few months.
- nxm 2y ago*They can’t rely on USA and the American tax payer for the defense of their country. Finally some defense spending will have to take place
- mlyle 2y agoThe spending that happens, though, will not be flowing to the US like a very large share has in the past.
- chgs 2y agoEurope has spent trillions on defence since the fall of the Berlin Wall, most of which went to US weapons manufacturers. What the last decade has shows is relying on external oligarchs for energy and defence is not sensible. The us has encouraged this for a long time. I just hope that Europe actually steps up quickly enough. It will hurt the us a lot more than Europe, and China will be massively emboldened in the Pacific. It’s a new world order.
- MrDresden 2y agoSpending among NATO member nations had already started growing considerably since Trump's first term. And a lot of that spending went towards buying US made weapons, though not exclusively. With this move, any nation will think twice about buying US made weapons. Trump effectively kneecapped the US arms industry by this move.
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- jmye 2y agoIt’s “great” in the sense that this will decimate the US military industry (great or “great” depending on your view of American hegemony). China and Europe will be stronger, and America is absolutely finished as a world power. So much winning, eh?
- nxm 2y agoEurope has had 20 summits and talks about what they plan to plan to plan to do… eventually. USA will be fine.
- amarcheschi 2y agoWeapons procurement expenses has been shooting up in Europe, I do not get why you only talk about the spoken plans and not the actual things that eventually happens after these plan are designed. Just a few days ago, Leonardo signed a treaty to develop uavs together with Baykar. A month or so ago, Italian government announced the creation of a joint venture between rheinmetall and Leonardo, sharing technologies to Leonardo and producing some of the >1000 ifvs to buy for the italian army in italy and some in Germany
- maxlin 2y agoRemember those Iranian F-14s? Yeah. What you said has zero relevance. It's not like US is taking away the jets. They are just reducing proactive support because it's a democracy and the people don't want the country to be on the leash of anyone. It's time for Europe to do its own work on this. As a Finnish guy I know plenty of that, and don't view other European nations as acting very responsible having had their self defense capabilities and believability wither.
- anonzzzies 2y ago> Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives. I don't know anything about fighter jets but for a lot of other things, Trump could not have done a nicer thing for China. Whatever issues many countries had with China, they are not actively beating most of them in the face. Probably the best years for Xi these are going to be.
- elevaet 2y ago> this is like Brexit but 1000x This sums up what I've been thinking too - it looks like the USA is sick of being the center of the world and is stepping down from the position right now. I guess this means it's China's moment. :/
- chgs 2y agoWarehouse 14 time
- elevaet 2y agoWhat's warehouse 14?
- chgs 2y agoTV series warehouse 13, which houses all the world’s “odd” artifacts. The warehouse was always in the strongest empire through history, it moved itself when world order changes - warehouse 12 was in the U.K. up until the 20th century for example. The finale had it trying to love itself to China and becoming warehouse 14, but that eventually stopped and American Superiority won over. Those days seem at an end. The actions Trump had made over the last two months will reverberate for the next two decades at least.
- outer_web 2y agoOn the heels of 40-year old American kit demonstrating its capability against their biggest arms export competitor. What a reversal.
- gonzo41 2y agoThe best era ever to be selling French of German arms.
- hkyu12 2y agoThat is good. Don't know why you are saying in mocking way. We should move away from unipolar world. There should be stronger US, Europe, Asia, Africa like everyone. Monopoly is bad.
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- bagels 2y agoI cant wait for the inevitable EU sanctions against the US.