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There might be a cultural issue here for the Dems. Many of the canvassers I met who were not retirees tended to be young women, often college-aged or a bit olde

There might be a cultural issue here for the Dems. Many of the canvassers I met who were not retirees tended to be young women, often college-aged or a bit older, very liberal and very much benefitting directly from the economic status quo. To them, voting for anyone besides Harris was just completely insensible and they did not even bother to try and understand the views of anyone they spoke with (from what I could tell), they were just pushing "get out the vote" but no substantial reasons as to why. I suspect that many of these young women are fairly out of touch with the sentiments of most americans and the daily hardships of those without college degrees, especially young men. I suspect that many of these young women will be forced out of the party for that reason, and if they aren't, then they will have to learn to actually talk to people with opposing viewpoints and figure out how to get along with the so-called "deplorables." But most likely they will just end up working somewhere else; not all at once, but the dems will be forced to change their platforms, new candidates will get elected who will change their staffs, and an entire cohort of well-to-do liberal poly sci majors will be gradually shifted out of Washington.

matsemann 2y ago
> then they will have to learn to actually talk to people with opposing viewpoints Why is there a different standard applied to one of the sides?
- halgir 2y ago
  It's an observation on what it takes to win for this particular "side", not a moral comparison of the two.
- zpeti 2y ago
  Because OP is talking about the side that lost. If you want to win, you probably need to change. This isn't about standards, it's about what works.
throwaway314155 2y ago
This is satire right?
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CalRobert 2y ago
My mom canvassed for Harris in PA and she’s 64…
- innocentdang 2y ago
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- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  Nobody who has time to travel from all over the country to canvass needs to work everyday to support themselves and/or their families.
  - verywellsaidsir 2y ago
    Very well said sir. They also don't understand the regular American. Who has to put food on the table without a college degree.
  - CalRobert 2y ago
    She lives in PA
lupusreal 2y ago
Dems won't change their strategy and probably won't have to, because after Trump is past his term limit the Republican party will be back to offering up wet noodles like Jeb and Romney, who won't be able to persuade the working class to vote. Against weaker less charismatic opponents, the poor strategy of the DNC will matter far less. And everything will continue to suck for the working class. Trump won't actually succeed in fixing much of anything for them, even if he tries, and nobody else is even going to pretend to care. The DNC will continue to be the party for yuppies that sneers at uneducated working men while the RNC takes off the mask stops pretending to care about anything besides the managerial class and Christian/Zionism issues.
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  Yes, wet noodles like JD Vance who completely wrecked Tim Walz in the debate.
  - redeux 2y ago
    That seems like a partisan take rather than an objective one.
    - nervousvarun 2y ago
      I wouldn't say the BBC is partisan...They called it for Vance: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y0863ry88o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y0863ry88o Overall though do agree it was a fairly close debate not particularly one-sided. Will say if guys like Vance & DeSantis are the future of the GOP that a significant upgrade over Trump. I still don't quite understand why DeSantis fared so poorly w/ the GOP for this election. He appears to be far more competent/palatable than Trump but here are.
      - eth0up 2y ago
        DeSantis has made a few mistakes that have shaken previous supporters and infuriated others. I've mostly scratched my head at most if it, but one that I couldn't ignore was the adorable plot to turn our State Parks into sports facilities. I simply cannot trust or support anyone who views our priceless preserves as untapped resources in need of strip malls and golf courses. Florida is already at or past a sustainable threshold with the diseased variety of "progress" that prevails here. For me, once we altogether lose the quintessence of this state (this isn't Disneyland or Lennar), it'll be little more than a Skinner Box with perennial cyclones, bad traffic and pestilence, surrounded by cement embellished views of red tide.
locopati 2y ago
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- sidcool 2y ago
  That's like insulting millions of people. I don't think it's that. Trump has to have some appeal that rest of the world is missing. It's not possible to win otherwise.
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  - column 2y ago
    It's not insulting millions, it's absolutely factual. All the comment you replied to was describing is Trump himself, and millions still voted for the guy. As to WHY they voted for him, I'm sure journalists/analysts/pundits will overflow us with reasons.
  - t-3 2y ago
    From the (preliminary) numbers I'm seeing it looks like Democrat turnout dropped back to normal levels, while Republican and independents were higher.
- mbg721 2y ago
  The impeachments and conviction were perceived by his voters, rightly or wrongly, as cheap political acts done by a corrupt administration. And his opponent, elected in the primaries, was pulled away for actual dementia. If you want to win people over, this is the exact opposite of the way to do it.
  - amarcheschi 2y ago
    So you don't have a way to win if you play by the rules, as long as you can make voters think that whatever you're doing is right and whatever the others are doing is wrong, am I right?
yapyap 2y ago
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- master-lincoln 2y ago
  Why not? I'd argue a racist or misogynist would make it worse for society than a pedophile (mainly because I think there is a very strong notion of protecting kids in society, but a less stronger notion when it comes to minority groups or women). Do you think a president would make bad policy choices because they are secretly attracted to minors?
  - sigh_again 2y ago
    In this case, the pedophile is _also_ a racist, misogynistic, violent, person, but pop off.
  - throwaway314155 2y ago
    wtf?
- ffsm8 2y ago
  Pedophile means to be attracted to girls that are pre puberty - not girls that are 50 yrs younger but still over 18.
  - lobsterthief 2y ago
    Yeah, I don’t support Trump but calling him a pedophile is disingenuous. Calling him a name that hasn’t been proven just alienates people further. What we should be calling him is a convicted rapist, because he is literally a convicted rapist.
    - arandomusername 2y ago
      Not a convicted rapist either. > The jury, which deliberated fewer than three hours, opted not to find Trump liable for rape but rather sexual abuse that injured Carroll. Also civil case not criminal. https://web.archive.org/web/20230512234952/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/05/09/donald-trump-liable-civil-sex-abuse-e-jean-carroll/70197179007/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230512234952/https://www.usato...
matthewmorgan 2y ago
Curious what you mean by benefitting directly from the economic status quo? Non-American here
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  Just the way it is. Most of the "growth" in the last 4 years went to top-wage earners; the bottom (that is, the majority of people) did not see their wages grow faster than inflation. The US has a very particular class of highly educated professionals who live in very specific neighbourhoods that tend to be fairly closed off socially from the rest of society; they have all benefitted tremendously from the Biden/Harris presidency and are her strongest supporters. On the other hand, many Americans who never went to college or never got a Bachelor's at least make much less money on average and have seen food prices and rents skyrocket over the last four years and if they had any savings they've essentially evaporated. These two groups of people don't generally talk to each other.
  - goosedragons 2y ago
    And those top-wage earners are college aged liberal women and not old rich conservative white dudes?
    - DiscourseFan 2y ago
      They're both? But the upper-middle class is far larger than the legitimate bourgeoisie, so they're class interests count for a lot more in politics.
    - bloqs 2y ago
      The old rich conservative dudes are the top brass and the incumbent but they often dont earn high wages, they exist outside the earning a living categories. Their income is gaining from their capital in ways that arent classed as income. The top of the upper middle classes are who he is talking about. The difference between the top middle classes and the bottom is larger than it has been for a while
    - 2y ago
audunw 2y ago
You're on to something. I think Scott Galloway got it right in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLmznS91kM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLmznS91kM The Democratic party has a problem communicating to young white men why they should vote democrat. The party doesn't speak to them at all. I don't think there's much wrong with the policies. It could perhaps use some more policies targeting men's rights. But it's mostly a communication problem. Young men don't feel seen by the democratic party, and the democrats need to realize this and fix it for the next election.
- 127 2y ago
  Looking from afar, the dominating far left elements of the DNC have been actively hostile to unmarried white men, and completely disconnected from young men (who don't fit into a very narrow mold of acceptability) in general.
  - guerrilla 2y ago
    The sad thing is that there isn't anything "left" in that "far left". It's just misandry without the socialism.
    - orwin 2y ago
      The sad thing is calling anything in the Democrat party 'left'. Historically, right means pro-power, pro status quo, and left pro reform and pro-distribution of power. At first it was political, then it was more generalized (far right is getting back to full monarchy/empire/whatever, basically going back in time). Do the Democrat seems left to you?
  - threeseed 2y ago
    > actively hostile to unmarried white men Feel free to name these policies you think are specifically hostile to white men.
    - siffin 2y ago
      You'll be waiting a long while, unmarried white women are too busy having their body autonomy taken away. Poor men.
sofixa 2y ago
Well, can you think of any reason why those young women didn't want to consider and understand the "opposing view"? Their rights are literally being stripped away, with threats of more. Even without that, the "opposing view" is voting for a convicted rapist, known pedophile, weirdly incestuous with his daughter, incapable of forming a coherent sentence, complete lack of understanding about any complex topic such as economy, admitted to spreading lies on many ocassions, started an insurrection, and on and on and on. For literally anyone sane, any of those reasons individually would be totally disqualifying in a candidate. Let alone for people such as young women who have a lot to personally lose from a misogynist rapist promising to strip their rights. (If you haven't being paying attention, abortion restrictions have resulted in women dying of preventable reasons because doctors are afraid to do anything which might be interpreted as an abortion, even if the pregnant woman is dying in front of them from sepsis due to an unviable pregnancy; add in the threat of removing non-fault divorces, and it's genuinely scary).
- DiscourseFan 2y ago
  I like that anger! Now that you can't postpone the inevitable, maybe you'll actually have to do something about it instead of wasting your time and energy whining about it.
  - DeliriousDog 2y ago
    This comment is disgusting. Voting is what they did about it, and they still have their rights at risk.
    - DiscourseFan 2y ago
      Turns out voting is not enough! Damn, if only those Black Panthers got out to vote, we would've fixed racism in America. Shame.
      - LunaSea 2y ago
        Maybe they should simply refuse to give up power like your candidate did the last time no?
justin66 2y ago
> they were just pushing "get out the vote" but no substantial reasons as to why. That's the focus of any canvasser, not just the young women you did not like.
chiefalchemist 2y ago
> they were just pushing "get out the vote" but no substantial reasons as to why Perhaps. But that's not their fault. Anecdotally, 100% of my left leaning friends and colleagues were pro-Harris but with no reason other than "not Trump." That's not a "message" the undecided independents can believe in. Imagine Pepsi's key msg to be "not Coke". Frank Luntz just said on ABC News that Harris began to lose ground ~6 wks ago when she resorted to name calling. Didn't HRC make the same mistake? How do undecided independents build trust in someone who was so guarded (e.g., zero press conferences)? And wastes time with name calling instead of hammering home her vision? It's gonna be another four yrs of left-hate for Trump. The DNC leadership won't own their failure (again). The Harris campaign won't own their bad decisions. It'll all be Trump's fault. Their incompetence is Trump's fault? That's lack of accountability isn't working. Again.
- johnny22 2y ago
  I dunno, seemed pretty obvious to me. I wanted Harris because I wanted her to finish what biden was doing, and keep people like Lina Khan in. I wanted to see more investment in infrastructure and all that jazz. Seems like a nobrainer.
  - chiefalchemist 2y ago
    You saw what you wanted to see, which is fine. However, for others her set of benefits wasn't as clear. For most, her closeness to Biden was a negative. For me her adverts were too abstract. "I'm going to stop the price gouging" but never said how. I get it, her campaign didn't have a lot of time. That said, the DNC should have a pulse on what voters are looking for, etc. As it is, this is the third candidate handpicked by the DNC and 2 of 3 lost to an inexperienced politician. That's not the victor's fault. Tho I'm confident there will be little to no accountability owned by the DNC. It's going to be four more years of blame the winner.
- ks2048 2y ago
  "not Trump" basically worked for Biden in 2020. I don't think Harris lost by name calling. Name calling works great for Trump. She just wasn't that strong a candidate.
wvh 2y ago
The "tolerant" left has become the intolerant blind block I've been raised to fear the far right for. As a typical European middle-aged (I guess) male, mostly apolitical, I don't really feel anybody speaks for me anymore. The failure of the left is what is driving the growth of the right, by losing those people who very much were reaching out to minorities, female and other "left" interests. Tune out the radicals and work with the "sensible" people in the middle, and that goes for both left and right... Why are we letting pure simplistic tribal emotion take over in this age of science and rationality?...
raldi 2y ago
It’s a waste of time for canvassers to try to change anyone’s position; people’s political positions come from their lived experiences. Canvassing is all about ensuring that the people who already agree with your position know how to express that on the ballot, and do.
matsemann 2y ago
Do you see the irony of complaining about them not "understanding your views" while you generalize a huge swath of young women? And why the hold-up on them being women at all?
kragen 2y ago
As I understand it, in the US, "get out the vote" efforts don't count as campaigning, so they aren't subject to campaign finance laws. Attempting to persuade voters to vote for something or someone in particular, or even trying to understand their views, would likely put them in a different organizational category.

matsemann 2y ago

> then they will have to learn to actually talk to people with opposing viewpoints Why is there a different standard applied to one of the sides?

halgir 2y ago
It's an observation on what it takes to win for this particular "side", not a moral comparison of the two.
zpeti 2y ago
Because OP is talking about the side that lost. If you want to win, you probably need to change. This isn't about standards, it's about what works.

throwaway314155 2y ago

This is satire right?

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CalRobert 2y ago

My mom canvassed for Harris in PA and she’s 64…

innocentdang 2y ago
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DiscourseFan 2y ago
Nobody who has time to travel from all over the country to canvass needs to work everyday to support themselves and/or their families.
- verywellsaidsir 2y ago
  Very well said sir. They also don't understand the regular American. Who has to put food on the table without a college degree.
- CalRobert 2y ago
  She lives in PA

lupusreal 2y ago

Dems won't change their strategy and probably won't have to, because after Trump is past his term limit the Republican party will be back to offering up wet noodles like Jeb and Romney, who won't be able to persuade the working class to vote. Against weaker less charismatic opponents, the poor strategy of the DNC will matter far less. And everything will continue to suck for the working class. Trump won't actually succeed in fixing much of anything for them, even if he tries, and nobody else is even going to pretend to care. The DNC will continue to be the party for yuppies that sneers at uneducated working men while the RNC takes off the mask stops pretending to care about anything besides the managerial class and Christian/Zionism issues.

DiscourseFan 2y ago
Yes, wet noodles like JD Vance who completely wrecked Tim Walz in the debate.
- redeux 2y ago
  That seems like a partisan take rather than an objective one.
  - nervousvarun 2y ago
    I wouldn't say the BBC is partisan...They called it for Vance: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y0863ry88o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y0863ry88o Overall though do agree it was a fairly close debate not particularly one-sided. Will say if guys like Vance & DeSantis are the future of the GOP that a significant upgrade over Trump. I still don't quite understand why DeSantis fared so poorly w/ the GOP for this election. He appears to be far more competent/palatable than Trump but here are.
    - eth0up 2y ago
      DeSantis has made a few mistakes that have shaken previous supporters and infuriated others. I've mostly scratched my head at most if it, but one that I couldn't ignore was the adorable plot to turn our State Parks into sports facilities. I simply cannot trust or support anyone who views our priceless preserves as untapped resources in need of strip malls and golf courses. Florida is already at or past a sustainable threshold with the diseased variety of "progress" that prevails here. For me, once we altogether lose the quintessence of this state (this isn't Disneyland or Lennar), it'll be little more than a Skinner Box with perennial cyclones, bad traffic and pestilence, surrounded by cement embellished views of red tide.

locopati 2y ago

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sidcool 2y ago
That's like insulting millions of people. I don't think it's that. Trump has to have some appeal that rest of the world is missing. It's not possible to win otherwise.
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- amarcheschi 2y ago
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- column 2y ago
  It's not insulting millions, it's absolutely factual. All the comment you replied to was describing is Trump himself, and millions still voted for the guy. As to WHY they voted for him, I'm sure journalists/analysts/pundits will overflow us with reasons.
- t-3 2y ago
  From the (preliminary) numbers I'm seeing it looks like Democrat turnout dropped back to normal levels, while Republican and independents were higher.
mbg721 2y ago
The impeachments and conviction were perceived by his voters, rightly or wrongly, as cheap political acts done by a corrupt administration. And his opponent, elected in the primaries, was pulled away for actual dementia. If you want to win people over, this is the exact opposite of the way to do it.
- amarcheschi 2y ago
  So you don't have a way to win if you play by the rules, as long as you can make voters think that whatever you're doing is right and whatever the others are doing is wrong, am I right?

yapyap 2y ago

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master-lincoln 2y ago
Why not? I'd argue a racist or misogynist would make it worse for society than a pedophile (mainly because I think there is a very strong notion of protecting kids in society, but a less stronger notion when it comes to minority groups or women). Do you think a president would make bad policy choices because they are secretly attracted to minors?
- sigh_again 2y ago
  In this case, the pedophile is _also_ a racist, misogynistic, violent, person, but pop off.
- throwaway314155 2y ago
  wtf?
ffsm8 2y ago
Pedophile means to be attracted to girls that are pre puberty - not girls that are 50 yrs younger but still over 18.
- lobsterthief 2y ago
  Yeah, I don’t support Trump but calling him a pedophile is disingenuous. Calling him a name that hasn’t been proven just alienates people further. What we should be calling him is a convicted rapist, because he is literally a convicted rapist.
  - arandomusername 2y ago
    Not a convicted rapist either. > The jury, which deliberated fewer than three hours, opted not to find Trump liable for rape but rather sexual abuse that injured Carroll. Also civil case not criminal. https://web.archive.org/web/20230512234952/https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/05/09/donald-trump-liable-civil-sex-abuse-e-jean-carroll/70197179007/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230512234952/https://www.usato...

matthewmorgan 2y ago

Curious what you mean by benefitting directly from the economic status quo? Non-American here

DiscourseFan 2y ago
Just the way it is. Most of the "growth" in the last 4 years went to top-wage earners; the bottom (that is, the majority of people) did not see their wages grow faster than inflation. The US has a very particular class of highly educated professionals who live in very specific neighbourhoods that tend to be fairly closed off socially from the rest of society; they have all benefitted tremendously from the Biden/Harris presidency and are her strongest supporters. On the other hand, many Americans who never went to college or never got a Bachelor's at least make much less money on average and have seen food prices and rents skyrocket over the last four years and if they had any savings they've essentially evaporated. These two groups of people don't generally talk to each other.
- goosedragons 2y ago
  And those top-wage earners are college aged liberal women and not old rich conservative white dudes?
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    They're both? But the upper-middle class is far larger than the legitimate bourgeoisie, so they're class interests count for a lot more in politics.
  - bloqs 2y ago
    The old rich conservative dudes are the top brass and the incumbent but they often dont earn high wages, they exist outside the earning a living categories. Their income is gaining from their capital in ways that arent classed as income. The top of the upper middle classes are who he is talking about. The difference between the top middle classes and the bottom is larger than it has been for a while
  - 2y ago

audunw 2y ago

You're on to something. I think Scott Galloway got it right in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLmznS91kM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLmznS91kM The Democratic party has a problem communicating to young white men why they should vote democrat. The party doesn't speak to them at all. I don't think there's much wrong with the policies. It could perhaps use some more policies targeting men's rights. But it's mostly a communication problem. Young men don't feel seen by the democratic party, and the democrats need to realize this and fix it for the next election.

127 2y ago
Looking from afar, the dominating far left elements of the DNC have been actively hostile to unmarried white men, and completely disconnected from young men (who don't fit into a very narrow mold of acceptability) in general.
- guerrilla 2y ago
  The sad thing is that there isn't anything "left" in that "far left". It's just misandry without the socialism.
  - orwin 2y ago
    The sad thing is calling anything in the Democrat party 'left'. Historically, right means pro-power, pro status quo, and left pro reform and pro-distribution of power. At first it was political, then it was more generalized (far right is getting back to full monarchy/empire/whatever, basically going back in time). Do the Democrat seems left to you?
- threeseed 2y ago
  > actively hostile to unmarried white men Feel free to name these policies you think are specifically hostile to white men.
  - siffin 2y ago
    You'll be waiting a long while, unmarried white women are too busy having their body autonomy taken away. Poor men.

sofixa 2y ago

Well, can you think of any reason why those young women didn't want to consider and understand the "opposing view"? Their rights are literally being stripped away, with threats of more. Even without that, the "opposing view" is voting for a convicted rapist, known pedophile, weirdly incestuous with his daughter, incapable of forming a coherent sentence, complete lack of understanding about any complex topic such as economy, admitted to spreading lies on many ocassions, started an insurrection, and on and on and on. For literally anyone sane, any of those reasons individually would be totally disqualifying in a candidate. Let alone for people such as young women who have a lot to personally lose from a misogynist rapist promising to strip their rights. (If you haven't being paying attention, abortion restrictions have resulted in women dying of preventable reasons because doctors are afraid to do anything which might be interpreted as an abortion, even if the pregnant woman is dying in front of them from sepsis due to an unviable pregnancy; add in the threat of removing non-fault divorces, and it's genuinely scary).

DiscourseFan 2y ago
I like that anger! Now that you can't postpone the inevitable, maybe you'll actually have to do something about it instead of wasting your time and energy whining about it.
- DeliriousDog 2y ago
  This comment is disgusting. Voting is what they did about it, and they still have their rights at risk.
  - DiscourseFan 2y ago
    Turns out voting is not enough! Damn, if only those Black Panthers got out to vote, we would've fixed racism in America. Shame.
    - LunaSea 2y ago
      Maybe they should simply refuse to give up power like your candidate did the last time no?

justin66 2y ago

> they were just pushing "get out the vote" but no substantial reasons as to why. That's the focus of any canvasser, not just the young women you did not like.

chiefalchemist 2y ago

> they were just pushing "get out the vote" but no substantial reasons as to why Perhaps. But that's not their fault. Anecdotally, 100% of my left leaning friends and colleagues were pro-Harris but with no reason other than "not Trump." That's not a "message" the undecided independents can believe in. Imagine Pepsi's key msg to be "not Coke". Frank Luntz just said on ABC News that Harris began to lose ground ~6 wks ago when she resorted to name calling. Didn't HRC make the same mistake? How do undecided independents build trust in someone who was so guarded (e.g., zero press conferences)? And wastes time with name calling instead of hammering home her vision? It's gonna be another four yrs of left-hate for Trump. The DNC leadership won't own their failure (again). The Harris campaign won't own their bad decisions. It'll all be Trump's fault. Their incompetence is Trump's fault? That's lack of accountability isn't working. Again.

johnny22 2y ago
I dunno, seemed pretty obvious to me. I wanted Harris because I wanted her to finish what biden was doing, and keep people like Lina Khan in. I wanted to see more investment in infrastructure and all that jazz. Seems like a nobrainer.
- chiefalchemist 2y ago
  You saw what you wanted to see, which is fine. However, for others her set of benefits wasn't as clear. For most, her closeness to Biden was a negative. For me her adverts were too abstract. "I'm going to stop the price gouging" but never said how. I get it, her campaign didn't have a lot of time. That said, the DNC should have a pulse on what voters are looking for, etc. As it is, this is the third candidate handpicked by the DNC and 2 of 3 lost to an inexperienced politician. That's not the victor's fault. Tho I'm confident there will be little to no accountability owned by the DNC. It's going to be four more years of blame the winner.
ks2048 2y ago
"not Trump" basically worked for Biden in 2020. I don't think Harris lost by name calling. Name calling works great for Trump. She just wasn't that strong a candidate.

wvh 2y ago

The "tolerant" left has become the intolerant blind block I've been raised to fear the far right for. As a typical European middle-aged (I guess) male, mostly apolitical, I don't really feel anybody speaks for me anymore. The failure of the left is what is driving the growth of the right, by losing those people who very much were reaching out to minorities, female and other "left" interests. Tune out the radicals and work with the "sensible" people in the middle, and that goes for both left and right... Why are we letting pure simplistic tribal emotion take over in this age of science and rationality?...

raldi 2y ago

It’s a waste of time for canvassers to try to change anyone’s position; people’s political positions come from their lived experiences. Canvassing is all about ensuring that the people who already agree with your position know how to express that on the ballot, and do.

matsemann 2y ago

Do you see the irony of complaining about them not "understanding your views" while you generalize a huge swath of young women? And why the hold-up on them being women at all?

kragen 2y ago

As I understand it, in the US, "get out the vote" efforts don't count as campaigning, so they aren't subject to campaign finance laws. Attempting to persuade voters to vote for something or someone in particular, or even trying to understand their views, would likely put them in a different organizational category.