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Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen
- ralusek 2y agoPretty incredible
- jprd 2y agoCompletely agree. I thought this was going to be some underwhelming nonsense, but that is legit impressive and something even a non-artist could benefit from.
- CSMastermind 2y agoArguably non-artists benefit the most. This is a time saver for skilled artists but a whole new ability unlock for the unskilled ones.
- mywacaday 2y agoI was going to write how this would be cool in a kids drawing app but the thought that they might never feel the need to draw something from a different angle. I wonder what other activities have been lost to time and technology.
- 082349872349872 2y ago> what other activities have been lost to time and technology - flintknapping - the distaff activities: carding, spinning, weaving, etc. - "teamster" as a very highly skilled occupation EDIT: compare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD2ua6q8FFA&t=475s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD2ua6q8FFA&t=475s with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZX6L5cnUg&t=11s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZX6L5cnUg&t=11s
- KaoruAoiShiho 2y agoSocrates was against the invention of writing because it meant people lost the skill to memorize and recite https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=3439 https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=3439
- pessimizer 2y agoIt really has been destructive. He anticipated the day in which you could change people's memories by editing the internet.
- kccqzy 2y agoWhy might a kid not want to draw something from a different angle? In my introduction to drawing course I was asked to draw my non-dominant hand every day for a week, each time from a slightly different angle.
- Vegenoid 2y agoBecause instead of doing that, they could have the computer rotate their drawing to a new angle.
- SoftTalker 2y agoDepends on whether the kid wants to learn to draw, or just wants to create drawings.
- ceejayoz 2y agoI'd love to see what this tool does with bad drawings, heh.
- SoftTalker 2y agoThis is basically like taking your 2D drawing to an artist and saying "draw this for me from different angles." Only now the artist is a computer, and probably costs you a lot less than paying a real artist every time you want to do this. Animators are even more out of a job I guess, but really have been for quite some time I think, almost no animation is entirely hand-drawn anymore.
- meebob 2y agoA large amount of animation made in Japan is still initially animated by hand on paper, actually! The anime industry is remarkably conservative, technologically, which makes it all the more impressive that its animation production output dwarfs that of most other places, including ones that have largely switched over to 3D or puppet rigging for animation productions...
- sharpshadow 2y agoAmazing this will give ancient GIFs a facelift.
- achow 2y agoThe source (Adobe MAX) 'demoes' full range of incredible scenarios.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfct0aH2COw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfct0aH2COw
- jampekka 2y agoNot bad, but what's up with the audience? Is there an Adobe cult or something?
- dylan604 2y agoOf course there is. Just like there's an Apple Cult, Android Cult, Facebook Cult, Sportsball team cult, blah blah blah. Any group that is large enough to attract that many users/followers/fans will naturally have a subset that is more gungho than the rest.
- johnisgood 2y agoYes. Forsyth's book titled Group Dynamics is a great one if one wants to know more about this kind of thing.
- dagmx 2y agoThere’s millions of Adobe product users out there. Almost all the design tool developers have keynote events. As an aside, I hate that people like yourself describe fans of anything they don’t personally understand as cults. It’s an antagonistic framing of a question designed to remove any good faith discussion.
- emsign 2y agoI think cult is really fitting for a massive group of customers who are locked in by a monopolist. Maybe eve; worse than a cult, because there's just the one,
- laborcontract 2y agoRegardless of whether these are adobe employees or not, I’d argue that a feature like this warrants such a response. It makes me miss Apple’s old keynote style that they’ve abandoned in favor of the bland, sanitized, over-polished and pre-recorded video keynotes. I’m honestly over so much of the corporate cynicism and Blind-indification that’s turned what was once a necessary precautionary stance to this demonization or ridicule of people who happen to love their work and where they do it.
- schnebbau 2y agoIncredible, but a shame you'll have to use Adobe to get it.
- nakedrobot2 2y agoYes. I absolutely despise Adobe, and I will not be using this. They were double charging me for photoshop for two years. I caught them and it took 60 minutes on the phone to get them to do something about it. They have an entire cancellation department. (!)
- stainablesteel 2y agoprobably not, there's a new and growing market of image editing software with a wide variety of tricks, i wouldn't be surprised to know this is already implemented on some niche website
- ryandrake 2y agoI'm making some big assumptions about Adobe's product ideation process, but: This seems like the "right" way to approach developing AI products: Find a user need that can't easily be solved with traditional methods and algorithms, decide that AI is appropriate for that thing, and then build an AI system to solve it. Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing: "Wall Street says we need to 'Use AI Somehow'. Let's invest in AI and Find Things To Do with AI. Later, we'll worry about somehow matching these things with user needs."
- ryanmcbride 2y agoYeah I much prefer this approach to the current standard of just putting a chat bot somewhere on the page and calling it a day.
- JohnMakin 2y agoPrecisely. There are many such use cases too! It's disappointing to see the industry go all in on chatbot wrappers.
- jthacker 2y agoThis is certainly a great immediately useful tool but also a relatively small ROI, both the return and the investment. Big tech is aiming for a much bigger return on a clearly bigger investment. That’s going to potentially look like a lot of useless stuff in the meantime. Also, if it wasn’t for big tech and big investments, there wouldn’t even be these tools / models at this level of sophistication for others to be using for applications like this one.
- HarHarVeryFunny 2y agoWhile the press lumps it all together as "AI", you have to differentiate LLMs (driven by big tech and big money) from unrelated image/video types of generative models and approaches like diffusion, NeRF, Gaussian splatting, etc, which have their roots in academia.
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- cloudking 2y agoThis is the true power of generative AI, enabling new functionality for the user with simple UX while doing all the heavy lifting in the background. Prompting as a UX should be abstracted away from the user.
- jprete 2y agoThis probably isn't backed by an LLM but instead some kind of geometric shape model.
- m3kw9 2y agoHow do you explain a horse 2 legs become 4 legs when rotated assuming they only drew 2 legs on the side view
- atq2119 2y agoThe second L in LLM stands for "language". Nothing of what you're describing has to do with language modeling. They could be using transformers, sure. But plenty of transformers-based models are not LLMs.
- kubrickslair 2y agoThey are probably looking for LGMs - Large Generative Models which encapsulate vision & multi-modal models.
- stevenhuang 2y agoThe model need only recognize from the shape that it is a horse, and would know to extrapolate from there. It would presumably have some text encoding as residual from training, but it doesn't need to be fed text from the text encoder side to know that. Think of the CLIP encoder used in stable diffusion.
- alfiedotwtf 2y agoSIGGRAPH from over a decade ago has entered the chat... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oie1ZXWceqM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oie1ZXWceqM It may not be AI, but this single video blew my mind back in *2013* and I find myself thinking about it often.
- imranq 2y agoThis is great -- I'm always amazed how effective classical algorithms are at doing so-called "neural tasks". What's strange is how few SIGGRAPH tech ever makes it out as a consumer product
- emmanueloga_ 2y agoThe video you shared very much looks deserving of the 'AI' label to me. Perhaps you mean it doesn't use some of the techniques driving the current AI boom, like LLMs or diffusion models.
- leviathant 2y ago>SIGGRAPH from over a decade ago has entered the chat... > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oie1ZXWceqM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oie1ZXWceqM A version of this was available in Photoshop for a long time, but I think the feature was deprecated and removed completely this year. I had used it for a few things here and there, but dedicated 3D tools were much better if you were working in that space.
- djmips 2y agoLooks time consuming
- imsaw 2y agoI thought this was one of those sarcastic headlines, highlighting the overuse of AI for basic processes.
- hprotagonist 2y agoNeRF or gaussian splatting?
- porphyra 2y agoI don't think either of those would work with a single 2D vector image.
- hprotagonist 2y agohttps://github.com/google-research/nerf-from-image https://github.com/google-research/nerf-from-image
- riiii 2y agoI'm pretty tired seeing AI slapped on everything but holy shit this is impressive.
- porphyra 2y agoI find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.
- ceejayoz 2y agoThey'll probably be better able to compete once Adobe ups prices to reflect the actual cost of all that processing.
- pbhjpbhj 2y agoPhotoshop is £30 a month. NASDAQ.com reports their net profit to be 40% and elsewhere they're reported to gross $20B revenue. I think they can afford the ML based content generation costs without increasing prices.
- egypturnash 2y agoThey might do it anyway though. I have the "all apps" subscription but it's not actually everything they make any more, all their "Substance 3D" tools are another $50/mo. I can easily see this feature getting most of its functionality locked behind that extra subscription the way Illustrator's new 3d tools just give you a tiny handful of materials without that.
- pbhjpbhj 2y agoOh for sure, their implementation is slicks and they're somewhat of a monopolist. The whole "free to educational institutions" really worked well for them and MS. I don't doubt they will put prices up, just boring they don't need to.
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- SirMaster 2y agoLooks like Adobe finally found a way to cut down on piracy. None of these new AI features will work on a pirated copy because it's all server-side processing.
- tombert 2y agoI spent so many hours trying to do rotations with a pirated copy of Flash as a kid, and I never really got the hang of it, and it always bothered me how deceptively hard rotation was; when I would show my parents my work, they would do their very best to try and act excited but I could tell that they weren't really impressed with the effort because it doesn't seem that hard, at least to a lot of people. This makes me irrationally happy.
- stavros 2y agoYeah, this is one of those things that seems trivial until you try to do it, and then it's impossible.
- PaulHoule 2y agoMakes me think of https://lookingglassfactory.com/looking-glass-go-spatial-photo-frame https://lookingglassfactory.com/looking-glass-go-spatial-pho... which needs multiple views of your image from different angle and tries to make it up with AI.
- o1o1o1 2y agoDoes anybody know a DIY solution to get a similar result? I am asking because 300$ seems like a lot of money for this.
- alexashka 2y agoPeople have been using 3D models for 2D graphics for at least a decade. 3D models rotate, by default. This demo shows generating a 3D model from a simple 2D shape. It'll fall flat on its face trying to 3D model anything non-trivial which begs the question - who cares? Also, you'll want to animate the 3D model - which this doesn't do, so you'll soon be back to your usual 3D toolkit anyway.
- fooker 2y agoThe difference is that you don't need a 3D model for this. You start with 2D vector graphics that is significantly easier to create.
- dishsoap 2y agoYes, and the OP did acknowledge as much.
- egypturnash 2y agoThis is in a wholly 2D program. The input is implied to be one completely flat vector drawing, which Illustrator turns into a 3d model, and renders back into flat vectors at multiple rotations, with no further work on the part of the artist. (I say "implied" because that's all they're showing in the video presentation, there may be additional setup involved that they're skipping. This is inside Illustrator though, which has a long history of 3d extensions being very awkwardly shoved into a corner of its toolset.)
- simpaticoder 2y agoThis captures the essence of what "modern AI" is great at! Relieving the tedium of a highly constrained task. Great demo. This will really help animators and artists.
- worksonmine 2y agoCame here assuming they were using AI for "rotate 90°" ready to drop a rant, but this was actually impressive.
- hackitup7 2y agoI had a similar negative reaction to the grandiose title but in this case it was totally deserved and I am pretty blown away.
- _qua 2y agoGood idea, but such a frustrating company to do business with as a consumer
- trox 2y agoThis looks very cool. I really hope the results are not overly cherry-picked like Adobe's first version of the text-to-vector generation that only worked particularly well for the showcased art styles.
- coldcode 2y agoI won't be excited until its live in an app, company demos are always exciting.
- 999900000999 2y agoI want the actual 3D models. This looks like the perfect tech for a cel shaded game!
- dweekly 2y agoI found the Project Turntable page on Adobe's site more interesting (with embedded video) on mobile than the linked CreativeBloq site: https://www.adobe.com/max/2024/sessions/project-turntable-gs3-9.html https://www.adobe.com/max/2024/sessions/project-turntable-gs...
- wslh 2y agoI am sure this is the right time for hobbysts to make your own movies, and animations. I personally started programming, in part, to make simple animations like the ones you see in Scratch, and it’s incredible how accessible the tools are today for anyone looking to bring their ideas to life.
- qwertox 2y agoIf you rmb-click on the video and select "show controls", you will not only be able to seek, but you'll also be able to unmute it. I don't know why it was embedded with the controls hidden.
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- rcarmo 2y agoAs someone who currently works in GenAI and analytics but paid their way through college doing design (for print media) and still keeps around old copies of Illustrator and Fireworks (running under Wine) as well as using Affinity Suite, this is STUPEFYINGLY more impressive than any LLM. Still not enough to make me pay for Adobe Creative Suite (I just dabble these days), but the target demographic will be all over it.
- changing1999 2y agoIt took me a while to understand that the second picture is actually a muted video with hidden controls.
- vivzkestrel 2y agohaven't been in the loop for a while, stupid question: why do people hate adobe
- dsign 2y agoNot a graphic designer, so I can't speak for their reasons, only for mine. First, I had a photoshop subscription and when I cancelled they wanted to fine me for cancelling. Then they bought the Substance suite and made it subscription only and very expensive (unless you buy the Steam version, whose price they doubled). That also hurt me, when I could barely afford those tools I'm better off now, but I have a long memory and prefer to vote with my wallet by paying multiples to any competitor...which generally speaking is better for me and everybody else, since competition is the mother of innovation. Apropo, Marmoset Toolbag 5 is out; it comes with a permanent license, it has a huge materials library, and the interface is very snappy and it doesn't feel like it has been programmed using Electron. You don't need to pay for Substance Painter this year. Ah, and Adobe's latest exploit was a confusing TOS that more or less stated they would use your work that you edited locally with their software to train their AI models. I think they walked that one back when the wave of outrage hit them.
- ilaksh 2y agoThere are actually multiple open source ML models for 2d to 3d which is clearly what they are doing. The difference with most of them is that this is vectors. There might actually be a similar open source model already. But I think to create it you would build it from a database of 3d assets that you could render from many angles. Probably quite similar to the way the 2d to 3d works. I don't know maybe the typical 2d to 3d models will work out of the box or with some kind of smoothing or parameterization. Maybe if you have a large database of parameterized 3d models then you combine that with rendering in 2d from different angles then you can basically use the existing 2d to 3d model. https://replicate.com/collections/3d-models https://replicate.com/collections/3d-models
- njtransit 2y agoAre you sure that’s what they’re doing? In the demo, they show that the vector sections have been preserved, so there’s clearly more to the story. Maybe 2D -> 3D, map path to vertex, rotate, project path back into 2D?
- dsign 2y agoWell, when is so big bad company going to bully us into using their tools to convert 3D sculpts into flawlessly animatable models? I'll submit to their abuse and surrender my lunch money to them. Though not if it is Adobe, I still have some self-love.
- AbraKdabra 2y agoOk that's VERY impressive, now give me the possibility of exporting it as an .stl to 3D print and then we'll be talking. Just imagine drawing something in 2D and be able to print it as a fully 3D object, it gives me chills just by thinking about it.
- horsawlarway 2y agoThis is here now. It's possible to set up a flow in a node based ai tool to go from text prompt to stl in a single shot. They current results using open license models aren't incredible in their fidelity, but it's literally here today.
- shunia_huang 2y agoLinks please?
- horsawlarway 2y agohttps://github.com/MrForExample/ComfyUI-3D-Pack https://github.com/MrForExample/ComfyUI-3D-Pack Edit to add - the meshes it generates aren't the cleanest, so consider a follow up with something like: https://www.meshlab.net/ https://www.meshlab.net/ Note - if 3d printing isn't your jam, you can also do things like generate game assets. Ex - take the output mesh and throw it into something like https://www.mixamo.com/#/ https://www.mixamo.com/#/ for auto rigging. Again - the open source tooling is a bit fiddly, but it's workable (you'll need to be familiar with python packaging to get the 3d pack up and running in comfyui). Quality of the meshes will vary a lot based on input. You can also find (somewhat) up to date info on new models and papers here: https://github.com/ActiveVisionLab/Awesome-LLM-3D?tab=readme-ov-file#3d-generation https://github.com/ActiveVisionLab/Awesome-LLM-3D?tab=readme... If you don't want to run it yourself - there are also several commercial offerings right now: https://www.meshy.ai/ https://www.meshy.ai/ https://www.3daistudio.com/ https://www.3daistudio.com/ https://3dfy.ai/ https://3dfy.ai/ etc
- m3kw9 2y agoone thing is you can't be lazy when drawing the initial vector like a car for example, you can't just draw from the top and expect it to generate a side shot after rotating. You need to draw maybe an isometric version first.
- Bjorkbat 2y agoAs someone who otherwise hates genAI, I must admit, this is actually a very cool demo and a very sensible application of AI.
- nullandvoid 2y agoHow very strange, my partner was mocking up a room for our home just a few hours ago, and I asked whether an AI tool existed to rotate the incorrect angle of a sofa in a photo being used within the mock up - and here it is on hackernews just an hour later, just that tool.. Edit/ apparently I misunderstood it's only possible with vectors - getting close though to the reality mentioned!
- seattleeng 2y agopreserving the vector art after transforming is really cool, anyone know the relevant papers? or was this original research done by Adobe?
- andrewstuart 2y agoBetter link with working video: https://www.adobe.com/max/2024/sessions/project-turntable-gs3-9.html https://www.adobe.com/max/2024/sessions/project-turntable-gs...
- redbell 2y ago> Adobe's Brian Domingo told Creative Bloq that like other Adobe Innovation projects, there's still no guarantee that this feature will be released commercially. Well, I confess I got a little bit confused here :/ . What's the purpose then for such an innovative solution if not commercialized?!
- bombcar 2y agoIt means it’s a tech demo that still has issues which they think they can solve but aren’t sure. Anything could happen and they need to be sure they don’t run afoul of securities law by “promising” something they don’t end up delivering.
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- andai 2y agoIs there another source? None of the images loaded for me.
- andai 2y agoEdit: The article embeds this video, but apparently it embeds without sound. Here's a direct link. https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/RnibKWuooxUZ7xptBz4UHd/Project%20Turntable%20by%20Zhiqin%20Chen.mp4 https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/RnibKWuooxUZ7xptBz4UHd/Pro...
- cchance 2y agoI've seen a lot of cool shit from adobe but its mostly rehashed stuff thats been cleaned up from public workflows from stuff we've seen done in comfyui and other flux/stable diffusion based expansion workflows... like the IC-Light style relighting they demod... But this... this is really fuckin cool
- philo23 2y agoI don't think quite the same kind of tech, but this kinda reminds me of the "3D" pixel art sprite editor thing in Smack Studio https://youtu.be/sM3ss-lY1zU?t=10 https://youtu.be/sM3ss-lY1zU?t=10
- adroitboss 2y agoI was just about to post the same link. It is really cool tech and Smack Studio is when I first fell in love with the concept. What Adobe has is cool, but I've seen it already.
- roryokane 2y agoIn summary, Smack Studio is a fighting game with a character editor that can rotate any 2D pixel art sprite as if it were 3D by extrapolating a depth map. You can export the resulting sprites for use outside of the game. The game was released on 2024-07-31.
- dibbla 2y agoIt looks cool and covinient for people like designers and other non-techinical content creators. One natural follow-up would be, can we find many other similar operations that are used by creativity people everyday and tackle them under a unified framework?
- fitsumbelay 2y agopretty much how I always assumed AI-powered tools'd work. still, mind blowing to see in action
- ipunchghosts 2y agoHas anyone actually use this tool? I wonder how cherry picked the example is.
- qalmakka 2y agoVery nice! If only Adobe did Linux builds, that would be great.
- fennecbutt 2y agoI do like AI stuff but isn't it simpler to just introduce 3d clipart essentially? Sure models could then be generated, but traditionally made models could be used too
- bhelkey 2y agoIt is a lot easier to make a 2d drawing than it is to make a 3d model.
- brokenmachine 2y agoYeah, nothing Adobe does is impressive enough to be worth dealing with them.