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Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?
- joeisaveggie 2y ago[flagged]
- loloquwowndueo 2y agoFUD. Vegan food also has protein.
- arktos_ 2y ago[dead]
- dp-hackernews 2y agoAll protein derived from veggies are considered incomplete when compared to animal derived protein, which also require substantially more volume to obtain the same nutritional content. You only need to look at the amount of waste (feces) between a veggie based diet and an animal based diet - the difference is staggeringly different. I.e. far less waste is produced, because far less is required when eating animal based foods.
- Etheryte 2y agoThis argument isn't even anywhere close to making any sense. The amount of waste that's left after food is digested doesn't indicate anything about the nutritional values of the food you've consumed. The reason there's more waste after eating veggies is because veggies generally contain high levels of fiber and the human body cannot digest fiber. (Aside: this doesn't mean fiber isn't good or useful for you, consuming fiber is a key component in keeping your gut fit and healthy because your gut has to do work to deal with the fiber, similar to lifting weights for your other muscles.)
- dp-hackernews 2y agoIt males sense if you consider the volume/weight/quantity values and compare them to the basic requirements for life - rather than what the psych wants, which is often overindulgent due to the other non-animal based type of nutrition(?) being consumed. I wonder what the Inuit use as a natural source of fiber.
- aziaziazi 2y ago> All protein derived from veggies are considered incomplete when compared to animal protein You’ be interested to have a look at amino acid in quinoa, tempeh and most of the mushrooms
- loloquwowndueo 2y agoDunno man, I poop a lot more (and stinkier) when I eat more meat as compared to vegetarian dishes. Considered incomplete by whom? References?
- aziaziazi 2y ago+1 for the stinkness. Also you very feel those fibers that helps everything slide as a soap. Or is it a the fence hydratation level, lower for animal proteins that stays longer in the belly?
- sva_ 2y ago> Considered incomplete by whom? Probably means incomplete in that most plant based protein sources do not contain all essential amino acids.
- fnordian_slip 2y agoYou probably will dismiss it, based on your username, but people like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian completely demolish your argument.
- WithinReason 2y agoOlympic athletes are not allowed to take steroids, while strongmen take as much as humanly possible.
- dkdbejwi383 2y agoGorillas are vegan and they have a ton of muscle.
- HPsquared 2y agoYeah, but gorillas have a different digestive system to humans.
- whelp_24 2y agoGorillas are not vegan, they eat a significant amount insects. They also opportunistically eat small (vertibrate) animals. They also eat a whole lot more than humans.
- sshine 2y agoOnly humans are vegan. Few gorillas were seen distributing pamphlets and letting their local community know of their superior dietary philosophy. Animals are classified as herbivores, omnivores, or carnivores. Gorillas are omnivores with a predominantly plant-based diet. Can gorillas become vegan? Good question.
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- samldev 2y agoI was a college swimmer, qualified for Olympic Trials in 2012 and 2016. There are absolutely slow and fast pools. It basically comes down to two things: 1. The depth - which is only 7ft in Paris, unusually shallow for a competition pool. 2. The sides. Does the water spill over the sides into the gutters, or smash into a wall and bounce back, creating more chop. A trained eye can see all the swimmers in Paris struggling in their last 10-20 meters (heck, an untrained eye can spot some of these). Bummer that it makes the meet feel slow but at least it generally affects all the swimmers equally
- davidmurdoch 2y agoTo a lesser effect, there's also the surface tension of the water, which can be adjusted with salt and borates.
- HPsquared 2y agoDensity and viscosity must also play a role, or are those managed via temperature control?
- davidmurdoch 2y agoSeems very plausible. I haven't noticed a speed difference in my own pool with temperature changes, but that might just be because the temperature itself can be so distracting. But I do feel like a salty pool makes me faster (maybe from buoyancy), and borates makes the water feel smoother and less "sticky" (something about surface tension changes with borates, it even makes the surface look different).
- HPsquared 2y agoOh and of course the cooling effect. That's a factor for long distances especially if the water is too warm.
- mysterydip 2y agoWould the swimmers in the center lanes have any advantage by being furthest away from the wall-induced chop?
- tokai 2y ago[flagged]
- candlemas 2y agoThe pool in Beijing was said to be fast (25 world records broken). But they were also using a now banned swimsuit. https://www.npr.org/2008/08/10/93478073/chinas-olympic-swimming-pool-redefining-fast https://www.npr.org/2008/08/10/93478073/chinas-olympic-swimm...
- 5555624 2y agoBut you don't need to compare these results to 2008. It's not the suit. There wasn't a banned swimsuit used by everyone in Tokyo three years ago. (The 2020 Olympics were postponed a year.) As the first sentence of the article says, the eight men in the men’s 100-meter breaststroke final would have finished no better than eighth in Tokyo. Mactinenghi won in 59.03 seconds, more than two seconds slower than the current world record (and slower than the then-world record set at the 2008 Olympics).
- djtango 2y agoThe water cube was such an epic pool - extremely deep and the level perfectly flat rather than elliptical. I still have dreams of swimming in it
- sswezey 2y agoWhat do you mean the level was perfectly flat vs elliptical? The surface of the pool? I'm confused
- djtango 2y agoI had the memory that race pools were deeper in the middle but I think that may have changed especially as I haven't competed since 2008 Here is a source from 2012 which shows pool depths weren't always uniform but it seems more modern pools are https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/olympic-pools-where-are-they-now-part-four/ https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/olympic-pools-whe...
- haunter 2y ago>Could we have seen a sub-4 minute 400 IM by Marchand Marchand beat the rest by more than 5 seconds in the end but basically "gave up" after 300 meters. Shoulda coulda woulda but he didn't need to push himself at all for the gold (his last split was the 2nd worst against everyone else).
- raspasov 2y agoHas anything in the drug testing changed that can affect swimmers?
- Waterluvian 2y agoI hadn’t really considered the energy bouncing off and interfering swimmers. I was just imagining the plausibility given the limited science I know about water flow in a stream and cross sectionally how the furthest from edges (drag) will be fastest. Which got me wondering if there’s any detectable correlation on record setting and what lane you’re in (closer to the side of the pool might be slower?)
- lacoolj 2y agoSo it's more shallow, which is a problem. Like if you trained for track on pavement vs rubber vs sand, you're going to have different results, even if "everyone has the same environment" not everyone's body will have the same relative response. I don't like that assumption that just because it's the same for everyone means the difference will affect everyone the same. Are France competition pools across the country just always that shallow? What are dimensions of the pools from the past 10-15 Olympics? Should this have been an established standard? (gonna say yes to that one)
- p0ckets 2y ago"minimum standard of 2 meters that was still in place when Paris 2024 plans were approved; but below the new World Aquatics minimum of 2.5 meters." Although the recommendation has been 3 meters for a while.
- morepork 2y agoIt's nowhere near the difference of a rubber all weather track vs pavement or sand, it's a difference of maybe 1-2%. In any sport different venues can have favourable vs unfavourable conditions that would exceed this
- hot_gril 2y agoPlenty of pro sports have variation in conditions. World Cup soccer is played outdoors with rain, heat, whatever. Rain matters even more in Le Mans, where time records are being set. It doesn't really matter as long as it's cool to watch.
- spike021 2y agoIn baseball too, you have things like playing in LA or NY vs playing in Denver with thin atmosphere that completely affects movement of pitches as well as how well they fly through the air.
- BoringTimesGang 2y agoWe've just finished Copa America, where players and managers complained about the pitch and its dimensions.
- tonymet 2y agoa good tech talk about the venue & technology and it's impact on olympic scores. tl;dr the surfaces and shoes likely account for 95% of the record breaking https://www.ted.com/talks/david_epstein_are_athletes_really_getting_faster_better_stronger?subtitle=en https://www.ted.com/talks/david_epstein_are_athletes_really_... As with any tech talk, think critically. Athletes train more vigorously, and have much better nutrition. Earlier athletes in the Olympics and Tour de France drank alcohol and smoked during performance. It's still helpful to pay attention to the venues, like the swimming pools, tracks , wrestling mats etc. My verdict is that venue plays a big part, and records are not comparable from different venues.
- MisterBastahrd 2y agoWell, if this is the case, then wouldn't a person who gets out to an early start have a tremendous advantage over the rest of the group since she'd be swimming largely without interference for the first length of the race while the trailers would have more turbulance? Also, I've never understood why there aren't more standards for Olympic tracks / pools / gear. For example, everyone should be required to train in and wear identical apparel when in a timed event like swimming so that nobody gets a technological advantage.
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago...would they all have to train the same, eat the same food, etc?
- MisterBastahrd 2y agoLet's not be intentionally obtuse.
- jacobgkau 2y agoI don't think it's obtuse when you're saying they should be required to wear the same thing while training. If you want to regulate what they wear for the competition itself, fine. But I don't see how regulating what they wear while training is different than regulating what exercises they do while training, what their diet is while training, etc.
- MisterBastahrd 2y agoI didn't say anything about training, because training has nothing to directly do with competing. I was talking about competing. I don't care how they train. The purpose of competing in the event is to win, and in those circumstances, gear should be normalized as much as possible. There are always going to be differences in size, strength, etc. The purpose of the competition is to find the best in the world, and gear prevents at the competition that if some teams have items that give them a huge advantage over others.
- mlsu 2y agoI wonder if there is some kind of mesh that you could put on the bottom of the pool to absorb the interior waves. Sort of like soundproofing in a recording studio.
- expression1sh 2y agoA lining of triangular foam blocks would make for an interesting pool. It might work, but practicality (installation, cleaning etc.) would likely rule it out
- f_allwein 2y agoWhat I remember from the London Olympics is that records don’t fall from the sky, but venues can be planned/ optimised for them. Maybe this did not happen in Paris so much? See this bit on the Velodrome in London: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/making-tracks-building-the-olympic-velodrome-53916 https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/making-tracks-building-th...
- morepork 2y agoIn Paris they didn't want to build a white elephant swimming venue that will never get filled outside of the Olympics. So instead they converted an indoor stadium, the Paris La Défense Arena that is normally used for rugby and concerts. You can see in the timelapse video here[1] the pool being built above the surface. They built it to a depth of 2.15m, the minimum required is 2m, but the recommended depth is 3m. I can only assume that making it deeper would have cost more, and perhaps reduced the sightlines from the stands as the pool would have been higher in the arena? [1] https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/29555045/paris-2024-olympics-swimming-rugby/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/29555045/paris-2024-olympics-...
- hnburnsy 2y agoUmmmm.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Aquatic_Centre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Aquatic_Centre
- beloch 2y agoIf this is a "slow" pool, then should we toss world records from "fast" pools? There are a lot of other events where factors affecting performance aren't completely controlled. Perhaps comparing records across different times and places is meaningless.
- BobAliceInATree 2y agoNo, in the same way that all Marathon records are set in only a few marathons which have very favorable conditions.
- beloch 2y agoIt's hard to control conditions for a Marathon, but what's to stop some future Olympic host from intentionally creating the fastest pool possible that wouldn't be objected to, just so they could watch "their" Olympics break all the records?
- bitmasher9 2y agoDon’t we want Olympic hosts to create optimal conditions for athletes to demonstrate their skills?
- Scarblac 2y agoWe want Olympic host cities not to go into billions of debt that they'll never make back, as that will make it hard to find good hosts. Paris tried to be prudent tinancially.
- mb7733 2y agoThat is exactly what happens almost every time... Just not this time
- BoringTimesGang 2y ago>Perhaps comparing records across different times and places is meaningless. This is a line of thought that leads to the consideration that sports as are whole are rationally meaningless. That leads to hobbies being meaningless. That leads to emotions and ethics being meaningless. You can't apply rationality to explain why people care about things. But people do care about it, so it matters.
- MichaelBurjack 2y agoIn addition to physical issues raised (7ft depth, configuration of sides), I wonder if there might be any other reasons that aren't mentioned at all in the article… Something causing these elite athletes to be a bit off their game? Whatever could it possibly be… - https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2024/07/31/us-swimmers-david-johnston-luke-whitlock-covid-19/74615267007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2024/07/31/us... - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/team-gb-swimmer-makes-shock-29647914 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/team-gb-swimmer-m... - https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/30/paris-olympics-australia-swimming-lani-pallister-tests-positive-covid https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/30/paris-... - https://svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10061397 https://svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10061397 Yup, no idea. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- khuey 2y agoThat's not a very satisfying explanation because everyone seems to be slow and it's pretty unlikely that everyone has COVID.
- MichaelBurjack 2y agoCovid is a highly contagious virus that spreads and lingers in the air, and we have athletes in close quarters without any virus control procedures [1] (other than the Olympic organizers providing hand sanitizer [2], which is an odd choice for airborne virus prevention). Given lack of testing and that many countries (including European countries) are seeing Covid surges right now, I think it's highly likely that most competitors are competing with either current or recent Covid infections affecting their peak performance capacity. Edit: I wouldn't suggest it's the sole cause of performance issues. But for an entire article on the topic of swim performance to completely ignore multiple reports of viral infection from top performers seems a glaring omission. ----- 1: "The 29-year-old does not have to isolate from other athletes and does not have to test negative before competing again": https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/40672610/olympics-2024-adam-peaty-covid-paris-silver-medal https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/40672610/olympics-2... 2: "For now, nothing has been put into place by the organizing committee … but hand sanitizer is available in its clinics and restaurants.": https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2024-paris-olympics-covid-cases-organizers-seem-unfazed-outbreak-risk/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2024-paris-olympics-covid-cases...
- outside1234 2y agoFeel like we should probably be looking deeper into the lack of doping (be it Chinese or otherwise) as probably a bigger factor here.
- gwbas1c 2y agoHonestly, my first reaction was "oh, they just stopped doping." Good thing there's credible explanations about the differences in pools and how that effects swimming speed. Otherwise, I'd assume that no one wanted to "'fess up" to prior doping.
- jeppebemad 2y agoAs a counterpoint to the Parisian pool being slow, China beat the world record in 100m free 10 minutes ago.
- elliottkember 2y agoThat's not a counterpoint, it doesn't imply the pool is fast or even normal. In a faster pool his time could've been even lower.
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- willsmith72 2y agoIt is if the only data is lack of world records, and mixed opinions from experts (per the article)
- rty32 2y agoNitpick: for individual sports, probably better to refer to participants as "Pan Zhanle from China" than "China".
- samatman 2y agoNitpick of the nitpick: in international sports, the preposition used is "of", as in "Pan Zhanle of China", as an elision of "of the Chinese team". Now, I could make up reasons for this, like not every athlete is strictly "from" the place they compete for, but a just-so story isn't needed here, prepositions are what they are, often arbitrary but always specific. Citation: https://apnews.com/article/paris-olympics-china-swimming-pan-zhanle-b1fd49307846db909a11a5033027a14c https://apnews.com/article/paris-olympics-china-swimming-pan...
- matsemann 2y agoI'm fairly certain I read a thorough analysis linked on here a few years ago, about how there was a kind of draft/current in the pool used in the championship at the time. Some analysis determining that certain lanes were favorable or not. But unable to locate it. Fairly certain it was Barcelona.
- jlarcombe 2y agoFinally an explanation for my hopelessness at childhood swimming lessons. It was a slow pool!
- notatoad 2y agofrom the washington post version of this article, the winners are slower but everybody else is faster... >But the “slow pool” theory does not hold up as well when one looks beyond the winning times. In fact, it appears a bit, ahem, shallow. >When you consider the times it has taken to earn a spot in the finals in Paris — which is to say, the eighth-place times from either preliminary heats (in events 400 meters or longer) or semifinals — those times have been faster than in Fukuoka in 10 of the 12 events and faster than in Tokyo in five of 12. In the women’s 400 free, for example, it took a time of 4 minutes 3.83 seconds to make it into the final, faster than in Fukuoka (4:04.98) or Tokyo (4:04.07). https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2024/07/30/paris-olympics-slow-swimming-pool/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2024/07/30/pa...
- jjulius 2y agoThis is entirely just my own opinion... I completely understand why you might not want a slow pool in a competition like this, but the emphasis on it being "not ideal for record setting" is weird to me. I guess I just don't understand the constant quest to set better and better records. Do we really always need to be hitting new world records? What's the point of that, why does that need to be a thing? If records like that are expected to be broken at every Olympics, what's the point of striving to break them if they're just going to be broken again? Meh, I'll go back to yelling at clouds, I guess.
- jwrallie 2y agoI think it might be a motivation for competitors when they are already at the top, it is a way they can compare their performance with all past (and future) performances, and most importantly, with their own performance in other competitions.
- XorNot 2y agoThe Olympic committee mandates that new facilities get built for every Olympics, which is partly why the games are so damn expensive everytime. With that in mind though, what is the point of a world event like this if, given the time and resources, we're not going to try and optimize for peak performance for the participants given that for many of them it's the career peak? I'd argue plenty of blame to go around though: for one, why is there not a standard pool design and dimension?
- jjulius 2y agoI guess, at least to me, there's a bit of a difference between "optimizing for peak performance in order to best your opponent(s)" and "expecting to break world records". /shrug
- glitcher 2y agoSetting a new world record is part of making history, and many are not broken at every Olympics. Consider this example - the men's 100m sprint world record was last broken by Usain Bolt 15 years ago! Now if you're not into that particular sport then maybe that doesn't mean much to you, fair enough. But wow, when someone comes along who is able to break that record it will really be something special.
- EternalFury 2y agoWorld records don’t matter in the Olympics. Medals go to those who show up and prevail.
- knodi123 2y agoWorld records matter on their own, as long as the measurement is trustworthy. The way we know this matters at the Olympics, is that world records are being tracked and discussed at the Olympics. But you're right, they don't affect medals.
- EternalFury 2y agoMy point is that it’s not the spirit of the games. Ancient Greeks didn’t even keep a record of any metrics. Back then, there was no assumption that “modern” competitors should exceed the performance of those who competed decades or centuries before. This type of focus leads to unhealthy expectations and doping in my opinion.
- Flop7331 2y agoIndeed. I also don't find fractional seconds very exciting. I call a difference of .02 seconds a tie.
- meling 2y agoThere was a pretty strong world record tonight in the men’s 100 m freestyle of 46.40. Actually more than a second faster than the second place and beating the previous wr by 0.4 seconds.
- Strongbad536 2y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/world/asia/chinese-swimmers-doping-olympics.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/world/asia/chinese-swimme... Worth noting that the WR was from a Chinese swimmer and there's a current controversy around whether or not a large contingent of swimmers from the Chinese team violated anti-doping rules after a banned substance was found in their test results several months prior. Reports are self-policed because it would spread the IoC or other international bodies too thin (ahem... convenient), and the Chinese reporting body "Chinada" dismissed it after saying "trace amounts were found in the kitchen where the athletes were staying at a meet". I attempted to track down the report to see if the 100m world record breaker was amongst those who tested positive, but wasn't able to find it posted online anywhere. So he may have NOT been incriminated there, or may have been, can't say either way. I want to celebrate the increased emphasis on swimming internationally as a former college swimmer, but it's also hard to ignore some of the clouds of controversy that have formed surrounding Chinese athletes. I understand the Olympics are a focus point for the country, and again as a former D1 swimmer I can empathize with wanting to do well, but at the same time I hope they're not crossing any lines in effort to win, as that defeats the spirit of competition. Also worth noting that Phelps and Alison Schmitt testified before Congress and spoke about the intrusive frequency and nature of how often they were drug tested. The NYT/The Daily did some great reporting and follow-up podcast on the situation. https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Rcc852dmPSPytDdRCKInU?si=240bc6d2448f450e https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Rcc852dmPSPytDdRCKInU?si=2...
- trashface 2y agoI haven't been watching but I presume its a 50m pool. So the 100M would just have one turn, and so the swimmers would only be going through the "wall of chop" they generate once. In other words I'd expect shorter distance events to be less affected by pool depth and whatever turbulence effect that has. Also free might be less affected vs something like breaststroke due to the angle of the body in the water. (Without good technique breaststroke is really draggy, even amateurs can notice)
- expression1sh 2y agoSlow pools absolutely exist, as wave drag is the major impediment to speed and contributes about 55% of total drag. A shallower pool has more reflected wave energy in all directions. 2m is very shallow for a competition pool. This paper does a decent job of modelling how swimmers move through water: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/epdf/10.1098/rsif.2018.0768 https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/epdf/10.1098/rsif.201...
- Paddywack 2y agoYears ago Johannesburg put in an Olympic bid. Because of the high altitude (1753m) they had issues affecting a number of disciplines when it came to records due to the thinner air... If I recall correctly: - Javeline would go further (less air resistance) - High cardio events would go slower (less oxygen for athletes) That would have been a "slow pool" factor all things being equal!
- Loughla 2y agoThat's actually super cool. I ran cross country through high school and one year of college. I was fast. Very, very fast in Ohio. We traveled to Colorado for an invitational. I was so slow and so tired. 18 year old me didn't realize that air changes. Idiot. I also realized that if those guys ever came to the Midwest, they would absolutely dominate.
- michaelrpeskin 2y agoYeah. I’m an aged mountain biker. Very mediocre. But when I travel to low altitude, I feel like Superman when I ride. I live at 5000 ft now, but in my 30s I lived and slept at 9000 but did all my rides near 5000. That was an amazing time for my fitness. I could go hard at “low” altitude but recover at high which is what my body adapted for.
- kolja005 2y agoYou might find it interesting to know that for track cycling the penalty due to lower oxygen uptake is less than the advantage due to less air resistance. In other words track cyclists, at least in some of the longer disciplines, will go faster at higher altitudes despite there being less air to breathe.
- w_for_wumbo 2y agoAs we're probably familiar, dealing with an under spec computer for doing your job is frustrating. Even marginal differences in speed can be perceivable and lead to a growing dissatisfaction over time. I imagine these competitors face the same sort of frustration when dealing with a 'slow' swimming pool like this.
- jgalt212 2y agoIn perhaps the most Slate article ever, they attempt to blame the lack for record breaking Paris on (wait for it), Climate Change. https://slate.com/technology/2024/07/paris-olympics-2024-break-world-record-climate-change.html https://slate.com/technology/2024/07/paris-olympics-2024-bre...
- Loughla 2y agoI mean, if it's hotter, that will impact performance. Not for swimming necessarily, but track will suffer.
- BigParm 2y agoHow is there not a standard regulation design
- eddieroger 2y agoOne can ask the same about baseball diamonds and how it's remotely fair to compare home run records when the distance needed for one is different (though with a minimum) 30 times over.
- philip1209 2y agoIt’s also not ideal to try setting a high jump record right after the Olympics in Mexico City. So what.
- cl0ckt0wer 2y agoCould the percentage of deuterium in the water be affecting the speed too?
- djtango 2y agoWhy would we expect that to vary by any appreciable level?
- paganel 2y agoWe’ve just got a huge WR in the 100 men sprint by Pan Zhanle (just 19 years of age, the future is all his), I have no sympathy for those crying after WRs, maybe they’re not that good to begin with. More generally, and talking about being good, it’s noticeable how the US, the biggest force in swimming, is going through a change of generations, as their only remaining star is Ledecky, who’s on her fourth Olympics. The Russians are also missing, they always used to have one or two super-stars ready to push the Americans to the limit (think Popov and Pankratov). The Aussies are doing a very fine job, and fair-play to them for that, but they’re also kind of not up to the highest levels in the men’s competition.
- rurban 2y agoOf course it's slower. CFD simulations would also prove that. But maybe they wanted not to be too many world records be broken, to damage control the apparent doping problem. You can easily see on TV now, who is doped and who's not. All the dopers do have dark purple faces after the swim, usually the middle swimmers from the US, GB, AUS, Ireland, F, China, whilst the non-dopers keep their usual skin color. Italy, Hungary, Germany, ... Some hormone effect probably with these rushes.
- xanderlewis 2y agoSo you’re claiming the American, British, Australian, Irish, French and Chinese swimmers are all on drugs? And that everyone apart from you is unaware of that fact? Right.
- rurban 2y agoAre you claiming that all swimming medal winners are not on drugs? That's highly ridiculous. They are just not caught.
- drdebug 2y agoAccording to airparif.fr air quality is currently degraded in Paris, could air pollution be the culprit ?
- benob 2y agoDo they make anechoic swimming pools that would absorb waves like acoustic anechoic chambers?
- suyash 2y agoChinese swimmer just broke the record, this article is nonsense.
- renewiltord 2y agoIt's amusing that the day after this was published a monstrous world record beat occurred in the 100 m freestyle.