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Trump injured but ‘fine’ after attempted assassination at rally
- aurareturn 2y agoBad title. Not the same as the article. He was not shot. There was gunfire at his rally but he was not shot. Edit: this article did not specify that he was shot. Other articles showed that he was.
- jjmarr 2y agoNo, he was shot. It's coming out.
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- autoexec 2y agosource?
- mattbillenstein 2y agoBelieve I heard it in the CNN feed, I don't have a link.
- ksherlock 2y agoVideos of the event show two intact teleprompters. That said, when Ronald Reagan was shot, it was from a ricochet off the limousine.
- Blackstrat 2y agoBleeding from the ear. It happened.
- hollerith 2y agoAgreed: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/07/13/donald-trump-speech-shooting-latest-news/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/07/13/donald-trump-...
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoI was going to say the same thing. But then I looked at the photo at the top of the article. Pretty sure that's blood. Looks like maybe a piece missing from the top rear of his right ear?
- dotnet00 2y agoIt's interesting that they avoid saying shot, while describing the consequences of being shot near the ear. Are they thinking he might've scratched the ear when his security jumped on him? It might just be a bias from me, but it feels like a double standard that the media that are known for irresponsibly rushing stories out and issuing retractions after the fact might be trying to wait and see for the facts to come out this time.
- hollerith 2y agoAfter the popping noises and before anyone jumped to protect him, Trump raised a hand and put it on the ear that is the site of most of the blood that we can see in this photo: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/07/13/donald-trump-speech-shooting-latest-news/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/07/13/donald-trump-...
- ww520 2y agoLet's call a spade a spade. It's an assassination.
- hanniabu 2y ago*attempt
- briantakita 2y agoSame difference.
- clipsy 2y agoI'd say there's a pretty important difference!
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- jkic47 2y agoHow the hell did we get here? At a fundamental level, we seem to have lost our sense of what Democracy means. The rules are "I can think you are crass, wrong, bigoted, geriatric, etc., but if a majority of my countrymen think otherwise, we accept we are not successful in the battle of ideas, and fight another battle of ideas in 4 years". Unless this is a lone, unstable individual, it is more evidence that our system needs more balance. Truly sad that we've descended to this level
- daseiner1 2y agoThis is a horrible thing, but sadly nothing new. Pardon the Wikipedia block quote: > Four sitting presidents have been killed: Abraham Lincoln (1865, by John Wilkes Booth), James A. Garfield (1881, by Charles J. Guiteau), William McKinley (1901, by Leon Czolgosz), and John F. Kennedy (1963, by Lee Harvey Oswald). Additionally, two presidents have been injured in attempted assassinations: former president Theodore Roosevelt (1912, by John Schrank) and Ronald Reagan (1981, by John Hinckley Jr.) If anything we’ve been “overdue”.
- gnicholas 2y agoIt's not very common in the modern era, though I would add in RFK Sr., who was assassinated while running for president several decades ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Robert_F._Kennedy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Robert_F._Ken...
- LarsDu88 2y ago6/45 presidents have been shot today. Today that number is 7/45 So it went from 13% to 15%. Not only that, but firearms technology has advanced considerably. If anything, statistically speaking we've been incredibly lucky in the past 30 years
- spaceship__sun 2y agoCurious how the shooter missed though. And just, how they seem to miss quite often in general.
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- replwoacause 2y agoThis is really bad news for the upcoming election.
- datameta 2y agoYeah, martyr effect is likely it seems.
- kemayo 2y agoIn the short term perhaps, but with four months to go I doubt it'll have staying power unless Trump can (miraculously given his personality) avoid any other scandalous story about himself cropping up. Relatedly, the US election timeframe is ridiculous.
- datameta 2y agoYou know, I've changed my opinion since my initial reaction after thinking more. Teddy Roosevelt getting shot in 1912 didn't get him a third term. I'm not sure how much independents and undecided will be swayed.
- skissane 2y agoThe 1912 election was very unusual though – in rather different ways from the current one. It was a three way contest between Wilson (Democratic), Roosevelt (Progressive) and Taft (Republican) – all three of whom won electoral college votes – plus Debs (Socialist), who while he didn't win any electoral college votes, got 6% of the popular vote. I'd be very careful drawing any conclusions from the 1912 election, unless we were dealing with a similar sort of 3/4-way contest – which we aren't, RFK Jr might get 5-6% of the popular vote like Debs did, but no way he's winning anything in the electoral college.
- kemayo 2y agoThere's three different assassination attempts on major-party candidates in the 70s (Ford twice, Wallace once), none of which propelled them to victory. Situations are quite different, of course.
- skissane 2y agoAlready being discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40957344 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40957344 (albeit flagged)
- ww520 2y agoThis one is flagged as well.
- skissane 2y agoNow it is. It wasn't when I made that comment.
- spencerchubb 2y agowhy are these being flagged on hackernews? i understand it's highly controversial, but this is literally a historic moment unfolding before us
- oska 2y agoHN isn't the right place for this discussion and that is made explicitly clear in the Guidelines [1] : > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. I'm here browsing the thread out of curiosity but I'm also onboard with it being flagged. There's not going to be any shortage of other places to discuss this (historic) event. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ImJamal 2y agoSeems kind of weird since the Japanese guy (president or prime minister or whatever) getting assassinated didn't get flagged.
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- skissane 2y agoThe original meaning of the Second Amendment was the federal government couldn't take away your right to own a gun – but whether state or local governments could was outside of the scope of the federal constitution, it was a matter for state constitutions and state laws to determine. At the time it was passed, state and local laws imposing limits on gun ownership were widespread (often on grounds of race or property ownership) – and the Second Amendment was not seen as contradicting those laws in any way. Then they passed the 14th Amendment. And the original intention behind the 14th Amendment, was nothing to do with guns at all – it was to protect the rights of the recently freed slaves – nobody was even thinking about guns at the time they voted for it. And then, decades later, the Supreme Court started to interpret the 14th Amendment as applying parts of the Bill of Rights to the states. They used the 14th to apply the 1st to the states in the 1925 case of Gitlow v. New York. And then in the 2010 case of McDonald v. Chicago they did that to the 2nd as well. It was hard to argue not to do it with the 2nd when they'd already done it with most of the others.
- elmerfud 2y agoThe way you're talking about the second amendment I expect that you don't want the same interpretation applied to the first amendment the Fourth amendment or the 5th amendment. Because if that was the case then it simply the federal government is the ones that cannot compel you to be a witness against yourself or the federal government cannot deprive you of your security of property or papers and the federal government is the one that cannot limit your freedom of speech but the state can do all of those things at will without regard to any federal powers. If that's your official position please state that clearly because the supreme Court has said that the second amendment is not a second class freedom compared to the others. And it was never the intention for it to be by the founders.
- sergiotapia 2y agoWhy can I no longer vouch for threads? Did I vouch too many things that other deemed flaggable or was it a deliberate choice by a mod to remove this ability from my account?
- krapp 2y agoMaybe. I lost my vouching privileges long ago because the mods didn't like the comments I vouched for.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoI can't vouch for it either. But there are a bunch of dead threads on the "New" page, and I can vouch for them. So it's the article. But given some of the dead comments on this thread, I might not let people vouch for it either...
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- skissane 2y agoEDIT: I was wrong. Please see my reply further down in which I realise this. ---- IIRC, people have never been able to vouch for flagged articles, only for flagged comments. You gain your ability to vouch for flagged comments once your reputation hits a certain cutoff; rarely, you might lose it if dang feels you are abusing your vouching ability. I believe the only way to vouch for flagged articles, is an informal vouching process in which you email dang and try to convince him to turn the flag off manually. Sometimes, that works.
- dotnet00 2y agoSometimes you are able to vouch for articles, I think it depends on if it's flagged naturally or if it's flagged by an admin. I should add though that it being flagged by admins is less about political bias and more about the topic immediately resulting in a flame war.
- HaZeust 2y agoI am not looking forward to these next few months. For 50 years we’ve had symptoms of an eroding democracy, and they’re becoming terminal now.
- IAmGraydon 2y agoSpend less time watching social and mass media. You've been brainwashed.
- HaZeust 2y agoYour wishful thinking is wisting away. When tens of millions of people base their real-world behaviors and beliefs from their social media experience, the influence of those feeds seep into our collective reality. Look at the last 10 years for concrete evidence.
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- dragontamer 2y agoPresidential assassination attempts were far more common back in the day. RFK, Regan, etc. etc. Its something the USA has dealt with many many times.
- HaZeust 2y agoAnd you can type this with a straight face, unwilling to acknowledge that we’re devolving to our previous, more primitive roots at a more desperate hour than usual? I’m not sure how to tell you this, but going back to what we used to do is not a good sign. Just because there’s precedent doesn’t mean it’s fine.
- arp242 2y agoIt never changed. People have wanted to murder Biden. And Obama. And Bush. And Clinton. And Bush Sr. And Reagan. And Carter. etc. etc. etc. It's part of being the president, which is why the secret service exists. Just being such a public figure alone is enough to make you a target – Reagan was shot by some delusional guy to impress Jodie Foster. For e.g. Obama there's an entire page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_incidents_involving_Barack_Obama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_incidents_involving_B... and Bush: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_incidents_involving_George_W._Bush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_incidents_involving_G... And Trump: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_incidents_involving_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_incidents_involving_D... And I'm sure there's tons more events we never heard about. Or people prevented from doing something just because there was enough security (who only needed to be present to prevent any attack).
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- wslh 2y agoI would love to read an analysis of the bias on HN. I see that depending on which side of politics the topic is, it is flagged much more. This is not a pro-Trump statement but an opportunity to improve the flagging system. A simpler solution would be to ban political news no matter where they came from, even if they are historical. I prefer the first choice about innovation. It's easy to see that past articles about "JFK Assasination" are not flagged at all [1]. Is the present the problem? BTW, I tested ChatGPT time accuracy for news [2]. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=jfk+assasination+site%3Anews.ycombinator.com https://www.google.com/search?q=jfk+assasination+site%3Anews... [2] https://chatgpt.com/share/6f918b0a-7d28-4405-8826-87becf5079bd https://chatgpt.com/share/6f918b0a-7d28-4405-8826-87becf5079...
- tw04 2y agoIt's directly called out in the guidelines - I'm not entirely sure what you're curious about. Right up there at the top: >Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. "The JFK Assassination" as a discussion of politics would be immediately flagged. Your linked [1] search is almost entirely comments and not a topic of discussion, which you would've realized quickly had you clicked through any of the results.
- wslh 2y agoThat was just an example, and that is why I started saying that it will be interesting to study flagging of articles. I have been around HN since 2009 and the flagging has been increasing in the last year. Most probably because of international and national conflicts.
- tw04 2y agoI browse new pretty frequently, I think what you're seeing is more nation state actors or just newbies flooding HN than any change in policy. The stuff getting flagged has always gotten flagged, there's just more of it. Any accusations of political bias feel pretty misguided unless you want to present some specific examples.
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- mandeepj 2y agoI was just talking with someone today - T is off news cycle; post debate it’s all about Biden, and then this happened
- maxglute 2y agoMaybe shock, maybe media savvy, but that decision to fist pump photo op just demonstrated how cognizant Trump is under fire... Everything Biden is not. Crazy how many different scenarios will play out depending on shooters race and affiliation, all of which bad.
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago>how cognizant Trump is under fire... Everything Biden is not. How can you compare? Biden hasn't been shot in the ear... [I'm an EU person. No skin in this game.]
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- rcbdev 2y ago> I'm an EU person. No skin in this game. You, my friend, are an Ostrich. I'm an EU person. Lots of Ukranian and Russian skin in this game.
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- ei23 2y agoConspiracy theories in 3... 2.. But hey, as far as i know, the USA are the best storytellers so far..
- mensetmanusman 2y agoHistory book event flagged on HN.
- not_really 2y agoPar for the course.
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- tempaccount420 2y agoWish all political news were flagged this way, but this time it was probably because it's about Trump.
- fastball 2y agoI think an assassination attempt on the front-running US Presidential candidate slightly transcends "political news".
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- jug 2y agoI know. I was surprised because very notable non-tech events use to not get flagged.
- webninja 2y agoPerhaps it was a good thing, because he’ll be more careful from now on. Many interviewers including Tucker Carlson saw this coming from a mile away. Pun intended. Hopefully further attempts will be less successful than otherwise. Look at how many were tried on a certain famous Cuban politician and how many were successful on Mexican presidential candidates every election cycle. The tallies of both will surprise you unless you already know your numbers. It’s a good thing that he’ll be more careful now, hopefully.
- seattle_spring 2y agoDid Tucker Carlson see the 8 attempted assassinations of former president Obama?
- oooyay 2y agoThe original HN thread is littered with people calling to kill all liberals and talking about taking specific people's heads. The reporting that followed that post suggests the shooter donated $15 to Act Blue when he was 17 and registered as a Republican at 18. All of this within the context that this young man is from a very rural town in Pennsylvania that Trump easily won. The whole situation is just odd. The best thing for everyone to do is to do nothing, because nothing good comes from this point. No point in making things worse.
- listless 2y agoThis is the right take. There’s a lot here we don’t know and tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance. We have none of the nuance right now. But I fear that even when we do, nobody will care. Because isn’t that kind of the current state of affairs on pretty much every issue?
- _zagj 2y agoThe contradiction is easily explained by him registering as a republican to vote in R. primaries (against Trump and for downballot candidates likely to lose against presumptive democratic opponents): https://newhampshirebulletin.com/briefs/ahead-of-primary-nearly-4000-democratic-voters-switch-affiliation-to-republican-or-undeclared/ https://newhampshirebulletin.com/briefs/ahead-of-primary-nea... But I wouldn't be surprised if he was just some lone nut who fell down some conspiracy rabbit hole, or if some history of drug abuse and psychiatric problems is unearthed.
- oooyay 2y agoRight, and a conservative that doesn't want Trump is still a conservative. It's just as easy to surmise that this is a conservative who would rather have anyone but Trump. What I dislike is that immediately there was a reaction to kill liberals. Anecdotally, I have group text messages with my friends from the military and the theme was similar to what it was on HN last night. Hence, people should probably hold their horses.
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- t0bia_s 2y agoBoth, Fico and Trump are right (conservative) represented politics. It looks like left is more radical. Actually no, just stop this evil driven by politics. When we learn and abandon concept of voting for politics that drives this evil among citizens?
- southernplaces7 2y agoOdd. I posted this same essential news story on the day it occurred only to have it flagged for no apparent reason, despite being major news about a famous figure, on a site where notifications about famous figures and major non-tech news aren't uncommon.
- AndrewKemendo 2y agoIt’s not odd if you consider that hacker news is not really the place with that kind of discussion generally If you’ve been around long enough, you’ll see that massive topics like that are intentionally kept off the front page for a while so that it doesn’t overwhelm everyone Frankly, I’m glad that’s the policy because Reddit (and I assume all other media) yesterday was just completely covered top to bottom in the story
- Ylpertnodi 2y agoAs a regular reddit trawler, i was quite happily surprised at how little there actually was.
- 00_hum 2y agoim sure the same standard would apply if some other huge political news broke… like biden resigning. oh wait
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- pc2g4d 2y agoMedia profit from our outrage. And we go along with it. Politicians derive power from our outrage. And again we go along with it. We must befriend our political rivals. Consider their viewpoint long enough to appreciate it. See that the other, is really ourselves. If we aren't doing that, then we are part of the problem, and we are creating the atmosphere that moves people to take such horrible and drastic actions. We have noone to blame but ourselves.
- steakscience 2y agoAll it took was one person with one gun. I don't know why people are trying to make this a sign of a big societal trend about media outrage, etc.
- psadri 2y agoThat person is (was) a product of our society, which is shaped by our media.
- yabatopia 2y agoIt’s what happens when you erode the rule of law - even as a democracy - and push a simplistic narrative of good guys and bad guys. Us versus them, the left versus the right - and of course we are the good ones. As a democracy we must hold ourselves to the highest standards, anything else is a slippery slope. Look at the assassination of the Iranian general Qassem Soleimani in 2020, ordered by president Trump. Or the numerous innocent victims of long distance drone strikes in Afghanistan during Obama’s presidency. Or the current strikes on refugees in Gaza. I really don’t like the Taliban or Hamas; Soleimani was a horrible person, an oppressor and war criminal. However, as a democracy, we just can’t just go and kill people we don’t like. Taking "collateral" victims for granted. We can’t ignore international law and human rights. We didn’t really care because, meh, bad guys in foreign countries. But at some point, this mindset comes home and erodes our moral thinking: "It’s okay to eliminate someone I consider to be a bad guy. It’s okay to insult, harass and attack someone who doesn’t share my righteous values and beliefs. Who needs (international) laws, a juridical system and human rights when you can do it yourself?" It’s poisonous and it’s getting worse. I wish I could see a light at the end of the tunnel, but I really don’t see one at the moment.
- matrix87 2y agoWhat's the motive here? Either the FBI is withholding information or the shooter didn't leave a trace. If it's the latter, there could be other parties (e.g. foreign governments) involved The fact that they can't find a motive is very fishy. This isn't just something someone can do on a whim, the guy must've planned this out months in advance. He must have some documents somewhere
- Gud 2y agoWhat he did was really not that difficult because of the incompetence of the Secret Service. He climbed up on a rooftop and pulled the trigger. He wasn’t even very stealthy, many saw him minutes before shooting. Somehow, nobody from the security team thought to keep an eye on the most obvious spot for a sniper.
- matrix87 2y ago> What he did was really not that difficult I don't know about that, he probably had to scout the area and find a line of sight. Also he got a bunch of bombs from somewhere
- wiesel2024 2y agoTrump is truly capable of staging his own assassination attempt. They meaning Trump's inner circle found a young innocent guy who was bad at shooting we will never know what he got promised. Even the sniper who shot the boy said this must be an inside job otherwise with all the security how in God's way could he possibly made it to the rooftop??? Security inside the building security everywhere and the shooter walks by with an automatic rifle in his hand or on his back???? The only one who wins is Donald Trump if president elected he wipes out all his felonies puts all his enemies in jail etc.etc.etc. Think about it .
- wiesel59 2y agoTrump is truly capable of staging his own assassination attempt. They meaning Trump's inner circle found a young innocent guy who was bad at shooting we will never know what he got promised. Even the sniper who shot the boy said this must be an inside job otherwise with all the security how in God's way could he possibly made it to the rooftop??? Security inside the building security everywhere and the shooter walks by with an automatic rifle in his hand or on his back???? The only one who wins is Donald Trump if president elected he wipes out all his felonies puts all his enemies in jail etc.etc.etc. Think about it .
- fennecbutt 2y agoI just make myself apathetic towards these politics otherwise I end up too angry. Republicans are furious about reactions to this violent event, yet so many of them call for gays (like me) to be tortured, murdered and actively hunted down as jokes all the time?