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Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this becaus
by boochiboo12 2y ago
Hi yall, founder of Daylight here.
Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :)
I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer.
Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Paperlike epaper display that has no ghosting and high refresh rate - 60 to 120fps. We started working on this in 2018.
We developed our own custom epaper display tech we call LivePaper. We focused on solving the tradeoffs RLCDs traditionally have - around reflectance %, metallic-look / not Paperlike enough, viewing angle, white state, rainbow mura, parallax, resolution, size, lack of quality backlight, etc.
First proof of concept in late 2021, and then it took us 2.5 years to get it into production.
And we built a whole android tablet around it.
It’s essentially our attempt at making a remarkable tablet on steroids / kindle on steroids. Definitely some trade offs, but on the whole we think it’s worth it. (& on twitter a bunch of early customers seem to think so too)
Note: it’s 60fps epaper, not off the shelf Eink. We spent years developing what we think is the best epaper display in the world and it’s exclusively manufactured by our display factory in Japan.
There’s still many cases where traditional Eink is going to be better (bistability, viewing angle, white state color, etc), but we feel for more general purpose computers you can code on and do google docs on and do fast multitouch amongst a thousand other things, the speed and lack of ghosting totally makes it worth it.
Think of it as a Godzilla sized pebble watch with a decade of improvement
Or think of it as a gameboy advanced, advanced
- timmg 2y agoHow hard will it be to scale up resolution/dpi with your tech? Hopefully you’ll be successful enough to make more devices. Just curious if there is a path to “retina” displays.
- achow 2y agoIt does look great. Any plans of supplying the ePaper display to OEM's like Amazon, Remarkable, etc.?
- dcan 2y agoAny plans to sell just the display?
- cush 2y agoIt's interesting that Anjan compared the display tech to Pebble, because selling off the company instead of just the IP is where Pebble completely failed consumers. Pebble had something incredibly special, and then Fitbit bought Pebble and (for reasons I don't know) immediately killed all their projects and shelved all their tech. In a different reality, Anjan would have said, "Think of it as a Godzilla sized Fitbit watch with a decade of improvement". Selling just the screens seems like the obvious play here
- jsheard 2y agoThe Pebbles display wasn't Pebbles own tech, they used off-the-shelf MIP LCDs from Sharp. You can still buy them and they're still used in more utilitarian wearables, e.g. from Garmin, and in the Playdate. Sharp doesn't make anything tablet-sized though, so that's not what OP is using.
- utopcell 2y agoThey do have 5" and 31.5" reflective displays though, they call them Reflective IGZO Displays.
- thot_experiment 2y agohttps://github.com/Modos-Labs/Glider https://github.com/Modos-Labs/Glider if you're interested in DIY see here
- aresant 2y agoInstantly bought this to support your mission A "calm" computer interface is such a welcome idea and quality pursuit Participating in the good of the digital world - information access, communication, creativity While mitigating the bad - always on notifications, bio-hostile blue light interface, doom scrolling etc I hope that this V1 release of your philosophy is successful enough to keep building To that end what are your long term goals / plans?
- boochiboo12 2y agoholy moly dude you are articulating our value prop and philosophy even better than we can glad to be on the same team! long term goals/plans - make a whole ecosystem of healthier, distraction free computers.. phones, laptops, monitors, workstations, watches, PDAs, epaper whiteboards, etc - make awesome software that we can offer as public goods, funded by cash flow from hardware and memberships etc - make 'magical analogue objects' like actually good sunrise alarm clocks, time timers, calendars, habit trackers, better phillip hues, etc
- xnx 2y agoWow. Great looking device and great long term vision/mission. As someone who hacked an old Kindle to make a persistent weather display, I am wholly in support of what you're working on.
- ddingus 2y agoFantastic! I am definitely going to follow you and team with great interest! These ideas are SO needed right now.
- Difwif 2y agoIf you stick with an open source ethos and allow anyone to hack and write software for these things... you're going to find a highly devoted niche of lifetime customers. I am one of them. Great work!
- cfiggers 2y agoDefinitely lean into the phrase "calm computer interface" Access to the same stuff as your phone, but chill about it Love the idea of informative ambient objects as well—people love the Standby Mode on iPhones, this sounds like that but better
- dtx1 2y agoSo this is an advanced form of reflective LCD? Interesting. LTT recently tested a color display like that too[0]. A few Questions: Why is it black and white? Does the Image stay the same when the device is off? What is the surface like for the Pen? Is the Display recessed so there's parallax between pen and Display or is it laminated like an iPad? How is the repairability? Can the battery be replaced easily? How is software support going to be? Since I'm supposed to link all kinds of cloud accounts to it, I would not buy this without a statement regarding security updates and support lifetime. Looks cool though! [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0TcGjzKbag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0TcGjzKbag
- boochiboo12 2y ago1) black & white because bayer color filter will cut your brightness by 66% 2) alas we gave up bistability for speed, so the image doesn't stay when you turn it off (however, we maybe can do quasi-bistability with this tech for watch or kindle sized future devices) 3) the pen writing feel is similar to my favorite japanese paper campus kokoyu. you could argue comparable to a remarkable or maybe even better for some 4)its all laminated / optically bonded 5) we can improve on repairability, its fine, but nothing stand out. we have big plans in the future here though 6) we're aiming to build the business on customer trust so we better be good at software updates! android is hard though, so its definitely a learning curve and requires a lot of resources 7) we'll do better to earn your trust around using our accounts - lots of plans in the coming months and years to be the best privacy + security + sovereignty computers!
- kiliantorpey 2y agoSome more questions about software support. It seems the device is using android. Do you have any plan to support mainline linux kernel? It could allow the possibility to use native linux distro like PostmarketOS (https://postmarketos.org/ https://postmarketos.org/) for device longevity. Your team could also benefit from delegating some softare support effort to linux kernel team.
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- bestouff 2y agoWill I be able to install LineageOS on this - as I do on all of my devices ?
- boochiboo12 2y agoyes! we're going to come out with a bootloader unlock tool as well so you can do whatever you want our goal is to be DIY friendly, so we included things i've always wanted in a tablet like: - microSD card expandable - pogo pins for custom accessories (ie cyber deck FTW) - 2 extra physical buttons you can custom map
- bestouff 2y agoOooh nice ! You have one more customer
- dt3ft 2y agoI’ll buy one when I see this materialize.
- freedomben 2y agoI'm buying one now, believing in good faith that this will in fact materialize. GP, please follow through! :-D
- helf 2y ago[dead]
- up6w6 2y ago> Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Paperlike epaper display that has no ghosting and high refresh rate - 60 to 120fps. We started working on this in 2018. The website mentions 60hz, will it also support 120hz?
- boochiboo12 2y agowe're trying to underpromise and overdeliver, and our display can now do 60 - 120 fps, but believe it or not, our PDF renderer and software can't match that yet. So we're waiting till we can holistically do 120fps before announcing that. But if you do frame rate tests, you'll see its 120fps (for the nerds out there, its 6hz-120hz variable refresh rate IGZO)
- aidenn0 2y agoWhile we are talking "LCD" and "In direct sunlight" and "display is close to surface" were you able to fit circular polarizers in there, or will I need to take my sunglasses off when using?
- bschwindHN 2y agoHow is the latency from input to visuals? For example on an iPad pro 120Hz, it feels really close to actually just moving paper around. Does the Daylight Computer match that input latency?
- teecrow 2y agoThis is the big question. If they (or any company) can squeeze out sub-10ms latency for touch/pen interactions on an e-ink-like screen (like the Daylight), that will be a game-changer.
- cush 2y agoI'm so rooting for you! Got in on Batch 2 When can we expect our favourite tech vloggers to share their thoughts on review units?
- stevenschmatz 2y agoHuge congrats! I've been dreaming of something like this for a while - instant pre-order!
- boochiboo12 2y agoyour support means everything! thank you! i wish people could understand how hard it is to survive low volume novel consumer electronics.. not meant to solicit pity, but to appreciate why we're all just stuck with big tech after indie company after indie company fail
- amne 2y agomake a display for framework laptop. please
- ImPostingOnHN 2y agoI would buy this. I just bought a Boox Max Lumi 2, but being able to effectively code in a sunny park would be amazing.
- ryukafalz 2y agoI'd love one of these displays in my MNT Reform too. Another (tiny!) indie tech company :)
- xupybd 2y agoYour prices are impressive for low volume. I hope things go well for you. These are the kinds of devices I want to become mainstream.
- ramesh31 2y agoWhy no LTE?
- boochiboo12 2y ago$$$ certifications for mobile/modems are expensive our future gens will have it once/if we have the resources
- russdill 2y agoThe space of android tablets with LTE is frustratingly small.
- causality0 2y agoIt would be cool if we could cast our phone screens to it. That way we wouldn't have to deal with file and app synchronization, cellular tethering, or any of the other friction points of using multiple devices.
- boochiboo12 2y agoits a good idea, know any good firmware / encoding engineers who could help us build really good casting?
- chrisoconnell 2y agoLet's chat. I'd love to connect and see if we can make this happen.
- Intralexical 2y agoThere's a WiFi standard for screen casting. No idea how it works. Support seems spotty, though steadily growing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracast
- causality0 2y agoNope, but I offer a prayer that the end product performs more like Sunshine and less like Miracast.
- xnx 2y agoI think this might be possible out of the box with Android apps like ScreenStream: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.dvkr.screenstream&hl=en_US&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.dvkr.scre...
- yencabulator 2y agoThat seems to go in the other direction, show Android screen on browser.
- mikhailt 2y agoWhat's your refund policy if we don't like it? There's no mention of refund/return on the page at all. Thanks.
- boochiboo12 2y agofull refund if you dont like it its vulnerable for us as a small startup on a shoestring budget to offer this, but it is the right thing to offer (sorry we will update the page to add details to refund/return!)
- mikhailt 2y agoTotally get it and thank you for doing that. I’ve placed an order already. It’s just there’s also the risk of getting “scammed” by a new startup as well, having it on record would help.
- freedomben 2y agoa fellow traveller I see. After getting robbed of over a thousand dollars in different early-product purchases that never materialized, I'm skeptical as well. OP has felt very honest to me, and their tech choices are completely much inline with what I would have done, so I'm inclined to believe them, but the more "in writing" the better.
- azinman2 2y agoLooks great, albeit a high price point. Why not a newer Android?
- boochiboo12 2y agojust small dev team, updating to new android and porting over all your changes is a tremendous amount of work believe it or not if launch goes well, the team's gonna get a lot bigger and you can expect us being able to do much more on the AOSP/android side
- azinman2 2y agoI did order one, but what happens if you go out of business? What risk do I then have? I assume this supports the play store, right?
- 7thaccount 2y agoIs there a video of someone playing Doom?
- kennethrc 2y ago... or Crysis
- cmrdporcupine 2y agoWhat if I want this display tech but just as a monitor to use with my existing setup for doing engineering work? (E.g. emacs, tiling window manager, etc.) The device as it's presented looks like a consumption device ("tablet" etc), but tech like this seems like it'd be most useful for a production device (general purpose computing device, programming/development tools). I'd like the display, but uncoupled from the lifestyle assumptions that come with a consumer lifestyle tablet accessory...
- tapia 2y agoThis looks very exiting! I am a long-time Sony DPT/Fujitsu Quaderno user and love these kind of devices. My question would be whether you have plans in the future to make a 13.3" version. The 10" versions are just too small for my use (mostly reading scientific papers).
- boochiboo12 2y agoyes we do! ipad mini and 13.Xin versions are kawaii af
- stefanha 2y agoI have a hard time getting a sense of what the display is really like from the website and the embedded video (it cuts too quickly, uses depth of field shots of the tablet, etc). Given that this is all about a new display, it would be nice to show a more pragmatic demo video right upfront. A demo that gives a clear look at how the display behaves with respect to lighting, reflections, animation, touch screen, etc. That's what I would look for when deciding to buy this. Maybe YouTube reviewers will end up providing this information...
- floundy 2y agoThe lack of any 3rd party hands-on video reviews was the biggest red flag that halted any consideration I had to purchase this product.
- boochiboo12 2y agothey're coming!! but i appreciate your skepticism until there's more video proof, i am the same too many broken promises by other tech cos, i understand we have to earn your trust there should be more video reviews coming out on twitter though from early customers / testers .. if i wasnt drowning in launch, id try to find you a link, if anyone else could help !
- therein 2y agoI have both rM and rM2. I reverse engineered the rM refresh API and made an open-source framework out of it. This device looks very interesting and I actually wanted to grab one to play with but the next batch ships so far into the future that I decided to wait. If you could send me a unit (which I'll of course pay for) on a more accelerated schedule, I'd love to explore the device. Let me know.
- Hendrikto 2y agoWhat do you do with all the time you save on capitals and punctuation?
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- jojule 2y agoI would love to see terminal/unix being part of the story. I realize that one can install Termux, but telling the story without it would be super attractive for developers. It would also further differentiate from iPad. Any thoughts on this for us developers?
- freedomben 2y agoGP has said elsewhere that they are going to provide bootloader unlocking, so alternative OSes should be possible.
- divan 2y agoAny chance of the A4 size device and higher DPI in the future? Will pay any money for that. A4 e-ink has considerable audience that doesn't know they need it – people who read papers. All the academia is formatted for A4 and stored in PDFs, which is pretty unreadable even on 10". People literally print them on paper to read. I currently enjoying A4-sized Boox Tab X and it's a game changer, as I read a lot of papers and want to read more outside. Love it so much, and having Android is important (instead of some own walled OS), as I can sync my papers via ReadCube Papers app. I also tried to use it as a monitor for coding, but even with their superrefresh technology refresh rate is still a problem.
- dmos62 2y agoI do use a newer boox android eink tablet for coding via termux and ssh. Great for my needs. I wonder how this compares.
- Tepix 2y ago> A4 e-ink has considerable audience that doesn't know they need it They know it very well. There's been a void for an affordable eInk device for this purpose for decades.
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- Kichererbsen 2y agoyes, academia should totally love this, but my experience is that they just all got used to reading papers on their laptops or tablets. but I would totally love this. in fact, I have a remarkable tablet just for reading "papers" (ahem Dungeons & Dragons PDFs). but switching quickly between pages is tricky there...
- wuschel 2y agoThat depends. Back in the day, in my research institute, it was common practice to print out the papers that should be read thoroughly - after skimming them on a Laptop screen.
- brcmthrowaway 2y agoDid you build the display yourself.
- msephton 2y agoThis was also my question, and I found what seems to be the answer. It's not quite definitive enough for me, but it's the best I've found so far. > Note: it’s 60fps epaper, not off the shelf Eink. We spent years developing what we think is the best epaper display in the world and it’s exclusively manufactured by our display factory in Japan.
- boochiboo12 2y agoyes
- antisthenes 2y agoCould you please answer my question? Here, without typing it again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40459804 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40459804
- msephton 2y agoit's not eink
- mikhailt 2y agoI watched the videos here: https://daylightco.gorgias.help/en-US#article-509983 https://daylightco.gorgias.help/en-US#article-509983 But it looks like it suffers from backlight bleeding if the screen brightness is at medium or full. I'm a bit concerned about that, can you help explain why that is happening.
- boochiboo12 2y agothose videos were shot on pre-production units. we may still not be perfect, but it should be a lot better on our most recent / PVT / production units we'll update the videos once launch calms down!
- thot_experiment 2y agoCan I run my own software on it? I would love to buy an epaper portable of some sort, but the fact that they're all locked down is a no go. One day I'll live my dream of vim in the forest grove.
- boochiboo12 2y agoyup yes, we will release a bootloader unlock tool so you can do whatever you want
- dugite-code 2y agoIf you really do this it would be a fantastic incentive for me. Just knowing the community can tinker makes a product feel more my own rather than "rented" like some systems out there.
- evanphx 2y agoUpon hearing this (and seeing the software that you've got listed on the website) I went and bought one. Looks great!
- thot_experiment 2y agoI would sign up for a mailing list for when this is available, I will probably actually buy one if it's android with root.
- pcdoodle 2y agoThis will be a "killer feature" for the crowd here for many reasons. This product would also make for a classy home automation tablet.
- ddingus 2y agoTHANK YOU! There is so much hardware out there people could be hacking on, improving, repressing all wasted due to difficulty loading new code. A coworker was given a SONY e-ink device. We quite like it, but the included firmware is limited and dependent on a windows app that leaves a lot to be desired. This is early hardware that was given the SONY treatment. That means great enclosure and ergonomics, but also conservative use of the display and goofy proprietary interfaces. Would not take much to make the device a lot more useful. One day, we will circle around and be talking about these already solid devices and how in-demand they remain despite their age because of your great decision. Sidebar: I really want one, but am price constrained at the moment. (Too bad, so sad for me!) Will the production models see an equally open configuration? Hope so. Thanks again.
- funksta 2y agoBig reMarkable 2 fan here, and it's very intriguing to see some competition to traditional eInk! Coming from the rM2, my immediate concerns are display density, and impact of the light on writing feel (both reMarkable and Ratta claim that feel suffers with the extra space between the pen tip and display). Also as someone who makes a lot of pdf-based tools for the reMarkable, I'd love to see a video or details about the built-in pdf (and epub, hopefully!) reader
- boochiboo12 2y ago1) remarkable & ratta are traditional off the shelf eink and have to use a frontlight (above the display) which has many tradeoffs 2) daylight actually uses microperforations in our LivePaper display, so we're able to use a backlight, which in our opinion is superior in multiple ways one of which, is what you're describing! our backlight doesnt affect writing feel or distance from pen tip to display! (also way better contrast with BLU on with backlight) 3) thats awesome! feel free to reach out if you want to collaborate, we want to build the best PDF experiences out there as we're serious about knowledge work anjan at daylightcomputer.com we will share more details about our pdf reader later this summer when we do an official software launch!
- funksta 2y agoVery cool! Thank you, I will be following closely and may convince myself to join Batch 3 :) And will probably reach out in a few days (I'm sure you're quite busy right now!)
- adiM 2y agoRatta (SuperNote) does not have front light. At least the A6X that I have. I don't think that the new version (Nomad) has a front light either.
- e-_pusher 2y agoSource: I was the chief hardware engineer for this device. The problem with eink tablets is that they must use front light, and not backlight due to how eink works. This means there is an extra layer in front of the layer where the pixels are, which causes parallax effects which makes writing feel fake. This is (likely) why remarkable deleted the frontlight from their product. Whereas with the daylight tablet, we have a trans reflective display and a backlight. Since the backlight layer is behind the layer where the pixels are, the parallax does not suffer. I find the experience of writing with a Wacom EMR pen on mine very pleasing :)
- crhicko 2y agoWill there be any additional cost like a subscription to use the features of the device?
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- htk 2y agoCongratulations on the new tech, looks impressive! Any plans of developing monitors or portable displays to use with a laptop/smartphone in the sunlight?
- darreninthenet 2y agoWhat connectivity will it have? Specifically asking about iCloud and Dropbox...
- xnx 2y agoIt sounds like it can run any Android app, so Dropbox should definitely work.
- d--b 2y agoPlease, tell me there's a phone coming along. Light Phone made a mistake not going Android. You totally nailed it with that casually dropped Spotify icon in that shot! I personally have zero use for a tablet. But if I can have an eink phone, with all the authentication apps I need to connect to work and do banking (and maps and Spotify), I'll drop that iPhone that is frying the brains of my kids instantly.
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- jadbox 2y agoSee the Minimal E-ink phone
- op12op12 2y agoThey were still making major design changes just one week ago (first completely removing, then providing a front-facing camera option after previously changing the screen dimensions and device form factor). There's basically no way it ships on their timeline (currently Sept 2024), if it ships at all. They nailed the slick marketing, but have been full of nonsensical timelines and promises.
- geraldwhen 2y agohttps://www.thelightphone.com/ https://www.thelightphone.com/ An e ink phone already exists, in reality. I don’t know why you would hold out hope for a Kickstarter.
- op12op12 2y agoI own the Light Phone 2 and do like it a lot, but it's a bit too limited and some of the promises of Minimal would solve some of the pain points that Light hasn't managed to, so I definitely see the appeal. But everything I've seen indicates that Minimal is going to be heavily delayed, if it's not an outright scam. Meanwhile, the Light Phone 2 has been around for years now, and they're planning to release updated hardware later this year.
- jelder 2y agoSell me a massive desktop e-ink display with USB-C input. I want to code on this.
- eli 2y agohttps://shop.dasung.com https://shop.dasung.com ?
- alemanek 2y agoOk you are my favorite person now. Thanks
- eli 2y agoI think Monoprice had one at one point. And I think boox makes a monitor. I looked into it last year but never pulled the trigger.
- jiveturkey 2y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/eink/comments/qjw0xo/just_got_a_dasung_paperlike_253_ask_me_anything/ https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/comments/qjw0xo/just_got_a_das... > I think this e-ink technology will never catch on for monitors, because there is just too much lag and ghosting. I think RLCD (like the Hisense Q5), which is much more fluid and has no ghosting is the way to go. not mentioned: 3 year lifespan
- alemanek 2y agoThanks for the heads up. 3 year lifespan isn’t a deal breaker for me. But ghosting of mouse cursor and refresh rate might be for existing options. Still researching but the parent post’s tech seems to solve the ghosting and refresh rate issue of traditional eink but alas they don’t have a dumb monitor product.
- spondylosaurus 2y agoYou might also like these: https://shop.boox.com/products/mira https://shop.boox.com/products/mira
- 999900000999 2y agoCongratulations on the launch, what was your hardware journey like. Did you have a hard time raising capital to manufacure prototypes. I'm working on a small hobbyist project right now,and actually getting it built hasn't been fun. Would love to hear your advice.
- a1o 2y agoCan you make a screen to replace the one from Gameboy using your technology?
- jimmysong 2y agoAs one of the beta testers, let me just say that I really like this device. It's very different than a kindle, kobo or reMarkable in that the refresh rate really makes a big difference. When I show this device to people, I show them how quickly zooming in on a PDF is. It's way faster and more responsive than any e-ink screen and it's way less addicting than the typical laptop, phone or tablet. I'm attempting to make this device my main driver over the next few months and while the ecosystem isn't exactly mature yet, most android apps just work out of the box and I've found myself doing a lot more reading, either through an e-reading app (Lithium), PDF reader or Instapaper. I have X, Primal, Telegram and many other apps installed, but I don't go to them nearly as much. The device really is a lot more human centered and it makes for a much more intentional device.
- kevin_thibedeau 2y ago> way less addicting than the typical laptop Xorg is still able to do 1bpp. Windows has a grayscale filter. Don't know if you can still get to render dithered B&W.
- p_l 2y agoa lot of applications (especially GTK3/4) will go buggy if they open at all on 1bpp display. Generally anything that does not report TrueColor RGBA8888 or RGBx8888 as first visual will trip them up.
- card_zero 2y agoWhy did you say "less addicting"?
- sodality2 2y agoOne common psychological trick addictive social media uses is high saturation color, as it causes our monkey brains to enjoy it slightly more. This is monotone and I’d assume that’s a relevant feature point
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- bloopernova 2y agoI've been impressed with the Kindle Scribe I recently got. The drawing and note taking is really nice. However, you have to email yourself PDFs to get the information out of the tablet! Will we be able to get data off the tablet easily? Will there be documented APIs or other automation available?
- liendolucas 2y agoIs it 100% open source? Or is it a device that I'm going to be locked in like mobile phones? Are any chances that the price goes down? I think now this is a factor that prevents me from buying it.
- SamBam 2y agoWhat would lock you in? It's Android, most of your data on apps is going to be saved to the cloud on individual accounts, and pdfs are going to be yours. I'm not sure what would lock you in.
- liendolucas 2y agoThat's absolutely something I do not want after paying almost 800 dollars. Why do you assume that I want to sync my data to the cloud? I maybe want to rsync my stuff to another device of my own. Will I need an account to access the Android store? Again something I don't either want and dislike. And finally will I need to customize it to have root access? I also don't want to do that, I should fully own the thing and do whatever I want. That's what I meant.
- natrys 2y agoCan't you just get Syncthing or Termux (for rsync) from fdroid? That's what I do on any Android. No cloud bullshit or account in Google necessary.
- liendolucas 2y agoSure, I can. And I do on my mobile phone cause is the most covenient and fast thing to do and don't have much of a choice. But why do I need to put termux on a device when it is already running a full-fledged linux? How would you feel if tomorrow you are forced to use Docker just because you can't have root access to your PC? For me it doesn't make any sense at all. I'm really disappointed of seeing cool stuff locked down by default. Why? Why not be a nice player and go full open source from day one? Is that really hard thing to do? Do they lose anything by doing so? Or at least when I turn on the device for the first time give me options to choose from: a) A regular Android. b) An Android that has full root access. c) Run a regular Linux. d) Something else. In any case the user should easily be able to change to any of the above once running. Is that asking too much for 800 bucks and for a device that has just entered the market?
- smusamashah 2y agoI bought a remarkable. But then a 2 years later had to sell it because my kid was running around and fiddling with my things. I could give my kid the Kindle and will have peace of mind that he can't break, even if he tries. Remarkable is just need a drop on the floor. How rugged and heavy is your tablet? If it's easily breakable, do you have any future plans to make a tiny, small phone sized light weight paper tablet which one can pull out of pocket like a notepad write stuff and put back, and most importantly have no care in the world of breaking it?
- turtlebits 2y agoMy kid has been using my remarkable 2 for almost 4 years. (Since they were early elementary school aged) It's still fine. Don't give kids devices if they can't be responsible to take care of them.
- smusamashah 2y agoCan't tell all this to a very curious toddler.
- cmcconomy 2y agoout of curiosity, how tall is this child
- smusamashah 2y agoAbout 3 feet
- aidenn0 2y agoSo this is a trans-reflective LCD screen? Does it invert the colors when backlit? It's about 50% heavier than rM2; the battery is almost triple the capacity of rM2; I assume these are related and both due to the use of LCD over eInk? How many shades of gray?
- e-_pusher 2y agoSource: I was the chief hw engineer for this device. The colors do not invert when the backlight is on, which is great because you can turn on only a slight amount of backlight if you need it, and have it blend to the ambient lighting. It supports 256 levels of grayscale.
- DennisAleynikov 2y agoThe large battery also helps it last longer and accounts for the much more powerful chip compared to the remarkable
- robocat 2y ago> And we built a whole android tablet around it. What is the reason it isn't worth your while to sell the display seperately so other devices can be built using it?
- coolspot 2y agoMuch lower margin if you just sell a component.
- ddingus 2y agoStill, once their display partner is ramped up, lower margin is still margin. Get it out there through Waveshare or someone similar. I have purchased and made use of several raw displays from them. All, but the big e-ink one have been great to work with. That one has some proprietary interface to unlock the real speed potential and individuals cannot sign the NDA. Grrr..
- djmips 2y agoThey are trying to sell an entire ethos as well. But also what the other person said.
- trelane 2y agoIs the source available? Is it locked, or can we use our own firmware?
- epaperq 2y agoCan you post a photo or video of a side-by-side comparison of the Remarkable 2 and the Daylight Computer? Right now it’s hard to actually tell from your marketing materials what the screen looks like
- JoshTriplett 2y agoHow's the battery usage? You mentioned that it's not bistable and doesn't retain an image on power-off; does that mean the display requires non-trivial power even while displaying a static image? One of the big selling points of my reMarkable 2 is the incredible battery life. Any plans for color? I know it'd be a sacrifice of brightness. I'm still interested despite the limitations.
- DarkmSparks 2y agoI was looking for the battery life to. after a bit of digging through their page - 8000mAh battery giving "days" of charge. So a long way from eink insanity, but a usable device in return. Im sure it will do well.
- seanalltogether 2y agoThese types of displays use power to change the pixels, but almost nothing to retain the existing image, so battery life will be wildly variable depending on how you're using it. Browsing the web with nonstop animations versus reading a book will probably show massive swings in battery life.
- circuit10 2y agoThis isn’t e-ink, it’s a transflective LCD so that’s not true here
- seanalltogether 2y agoIt's not e-ink, but it appears to be the same as Sharps "memory" display, which means it continues to show an image even after power is removed. They have extremely low power draw when displaying static pixels
- circuit10 2y agoThey said it’s not bistable which I think means it doesn’t do that
- llm_trw 2y agoWill you offer a 13 inch version? What about computer screens? And a color version? For background I have a boox max, a dasung 253 bw and dasung color 253. Happy to spend even more money on a new generation of devices.
- seekage 2y agoInstant buy. Love the design and mission. Where can I get the wooden stand?
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- jsheard 2y agoFYI there's a typo on the product page, "blacklight" instead of "backlight". I assume that's not a branding thing since it's referred to as a backlight elsewhere.
- freedomben 2y agoThat could be a great feature. You can use your tablet to find cat pee and other undesirables on your carpet, or just set the mood for a party
- endofreach 2y agoRespect. Not easy to do hardware. I will order one for sure to try it out. Very interesting. A few questions that i hope to get an answer to: How did you finance the company? How much money did you spend on R&D & production etc? What was the initial idea you had? What were the biggest challenges before you knew for sure you got the final product?
- mushufasa 2y ago> We developed our own custom epaper display tech we call LivePaper. We focused on solving the tradeoffs RLCDs traditionally have - around reflectance %, metallic-look / not Paperlike enough, viewing angle, white state, rainbow mura, parallax, resolution, size, lack of quality backlight, etc. Would you license this to others at a more affordable rate than e-ink? Lenovo has some e-ink 2-in-1 "thinkbook" laptops and might be a good partner... I'm sure you're considered this already. Personally I am sold on the 'low distraction and eye strain' of e-ink, and would be keen on buying a computer with that display. That said, I'm more interested in a general computer running a general operating system (ubuntu or any linux) if I'm using something for daily work. Even if your own operating system can do these things I would be concerned with edge-cases for software I need for work, so for professional daily usage I need an OS that is battle-tested, and not based on a locked-down sandboxed mobile system like android where I'd have to fight the OS to do what I want. I do own and use a remarkable, so I'm probably in the target market. I only use the remarkable for note taking, it's handy for freehand sketching visual ideas or concepts digitally, where typing or any sort of computer drawing with a mouse may add friction that gets in the way of getting the ideas down onto paper. The main advantage over paper is so I don't need to worry about misplacing the pieces of draft paper afterwards, when I revisit an idea months later. I definitely don't want a tablet for typing code. If I'm going to carry around an external keyboard, I might as well just get a thin-and-light laptop. I almost bought the aforementioned thinkbook with the e-ink display. Main reason I didn't was that I was worried about compatibility issues if I ran linux, since it's designed for windows.
- yencabulator 2y agoI bet people would pay good money for a Framework display module that's usable eInk. (Assuming it can use the same display connector.) https://frame.work/products/display-kit?v=FRANGX0001 https://frame.work/products/display-kit?v=FRANGX0001 https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Display+Replacement+Guide/86?lang=en https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Display+Replacement+Guide/86...
- CarVac 2y agoI would buy one.
- slashtom 2y agoConcerned a little bit about the lower DPI (190), how does aliasing compare to lets say Remarkable 2 (224). I find the Kindle Scribe is at 300 DPI. Handwriting with the Scribe is amazing to me, hoping to see or understand how it compares.
- robbiep 2y agoCongratulations! This looks awesome! Very excited to get my hands on one!
- ta988 2y agoCan it be rooted and boot unlocked?
- pjf 2y agoDo you know - and can share - how this compares vs the Onyx Boox Tab Ultra C Pro? I guess it might be a very competitive alternative to your product, yet it can't reach 60+fps and is sketchy in terms of security, imho.
- cyanydeez 2y agoPlease publish a clearer complete spec sheet.
- pvsnp 2y agoThis is very cool. I've been waiting for something like this for a while. Since it's so new, are you allowing any hackability like ReMarkable? I'd like to use it instead of Amazon Scribe and integrate against it but $729 is bit steep if it relies on an external service or something. Oh, since it's Android under the hood, I see that kindle just works? how's the battery life?
- schaefer 2y agoboochiboo12, Please reach out to the team at goodereader.com and see if a review can be arranged. they cover e-ink and several e-ink alternatives, including other vendors in the RLCD space.
- adiM 2y agoFYI: goodereader has a bad reputation in the eink world. Their reviews are fair but their shop is borderline scam.
- schaefer 2y agoThanks for the head's up. I don't agree.
- adiM 2y agoSome links: https://www.reddit.com/r/ereader/s/ZpVE0dTM98 https://www.reddit.com/r/ereader/s/ZpVE0dTM98 https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/s/LonNpgGAIF https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/s/LonNpgGAIF https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/s/YqUXfrZhnm https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/s/YqUXfrZhnm https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/s/xmurkiHGam https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/s/xmurkiHGam
- schaefer 2y agoAlright. You are putting together a compelling argument for both skepticism and caution before placing an order for merchandise from the goodereader store. (not something I planned to do) -- How do you feel about their youtube channel where they review all the various devices in this market segment? Specifically, have you ever found their reviews to be inaccurate? Do you know of any alternative source of reviews in this market segment that is as comprehensive or experienced? One thing I'll say in favor is that they do send their writing staff to the various trade shows.
- yareal 2y agoThey specifically said, "their reviews are fair". Maybe you missed that part of their post?
- paranoidrobot 2y agoCan you please have whomever is looking after your site test it on mobile in dark mode. It's almost completely unreadable for me. Dark grey text on dark grey background. Light grey text on warm white. Device: Pixel 7 Pro, dark mode Browser: Firefox Mobile.
- netbioserror 2y agoGive it to me with a Linux-compatible chip/board and I am there. This is the display of the solar-powered off grid computer, and succeeding generations will be incredible. And oh yeah, make a phone. With your distraction-free OS.
- johnfn 2y agoVery impressive. Can I use it as an external display? I assume not, but that would strongly push me towards buying one.
- alemanek 2y agoAdding an additional comment here for a little extra visibility. I would absolutely love, like really love, a USB-C portrait monitor version of this. If I could just plug this in to my existing laptop and use it for reading specs, technical docs, …etc that would be amazing. Android tablet is a tough sell for my employer due to compliance, security, and such. So buying one of those for work use would take like a year minimum gathering all the necessary approvals and likely would still get denied by someone. But, a dumb monitor with no real OS I can expense that without approval. just a heads up to my boss really to say I am buying this and here is why. I know you are a small company so have to pick your battles. But, maybe something to consider down the road. EDIt: forgot to say, congrats on the launch. Looks like a great product.
- sersi 2y agoI was about to write the same comment but you expressed it much better. I would also be happy if it could be both an android tablet but have a monitor mode where it just becomes a monitor.
- primis 2y agoPlus one on this. Would be amazing if there was a display mode possible or just a variant with a usb to edp board inside without the android tablet bits / battery (even if it meant losing the wacom digitizer in the process)
- mdhen 2y agoYou can use VNC to make an android tablet into a 2nd monitor. The latency isnt good enough for playing games or anything but for web pages and documents it works great.
- alberth 2y agoThis is amazing. Congrats. Question: am I understanding it right that the only potential downside is color accuracy might be off but you get all the other benefits as stated? (If so, that seems like a great compromise and net better)
- jokellum 2y agoI like my rm2, but 2 of my biggest issues are: - Syncing changes I make to PDFs to Google drive is tedious - For some reason there's a restriction of color when drawing on the PDF. Even if The tablet is black and white which is fine, I want to be able to select a wide range of colors since ultimately I'll want to be able to view the PDFs on a legit RGB computer. What does this workflow look like on Daylight?
- yarg 2y agoIs it possible for end users to deploy their own operating systems and software? And do you make it easy for them to do so? One of my pet peeves about the Android ecosystem is Google's abusive licensing restrictions for their extended service stack prohibiting vendors from distributing their own forks of the base software. This is the sort of device that I'd be interested in from the hardware perspective, but would not even consider if it's not possible to strip every last remnant of Google from it.
- talldayo 2y agoI bet you could get pretty far with Universal Android Debloater: https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater https://github.com/0x192/universal-android-debloater You can remove just about anything and everything, which is as much a warning as it is a recommendation. Don't use this if you're not ready to reinstall your OS.
- Intralexical 2y ago> boochiboo12: yup yes, we will release a bootloader unlock tool so you can do whatever you want https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40456834#40460036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40456834#40460036 > our goal is to be DIY friendly, so we included things i've always wanted in a tablet like: > - microSD card expandable - pogo pins for custom accessories (ie cyber deck FTW) - 2 extra physical buttons you can custom map https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40456834#40458954 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40456834#40458954
- juliangoldsmith 2y agoCame here to ask this. Depending on the SoC, bringing up Linux via postmarketOS could be pretty easy.
- ptero 2y agoThis sounds great, I would love to buy one! Is there a static specs page? The site seems to have been hugged to near-death but even if not it would be great to know the basics not in a video form: size, weight, OS (e.g., can I run my favorite FB2 reader on it), interfaces, etc. I am totally willing to lean forward and buy one, but from the current state of the site I cannot even figure out if the screen is 4" or 9" or something in between.
- duttaoindril 2y agoI pre-ordered! Huge fan and have been checking it out for a while. My biggest question and use case is about handwritten notes. Like other paper tablets (Supernote, box, remarkable, etc) have custom drawing/writing apps that sync. I understand y'all have a fancy custom Android OS, but can I expect to see my notes on other devices, and does it have cool features like handwriting to text auto translation, etc? I'm very excited! I hope I get my daylight soon.
- roughly 2y agoI'm not sure if it's mentioned on the site, but one thing I'd really love to see that could well nudge this into the "buy" category for me is some focus on repairability - I'd very much like to be able to swap the screen, battery, board, etc. in case the worst happens, rather than having to junk the whole device.
- Jarwain 2y agoRLCD, so the screen itself is transparent? If it were rendering an image, and a spotlight shown through it, would it project the image effectively? I've had some silly little art projects that I'd love to try this screen for, if you have any spares/prototypes or anything you wouldn't mind selling or sharing!
- ThrowawayR2 2y agoWhat you're describing exists already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_panel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_panel. You can find plenty on eBay. > "If it were rendering an image, and a spotlight shown through it, would it project the image effectively?" No, because shining a spotlight through it wouldn't result in an in-focus image. Draw something on some transparent plastic wrap and shine a light through it and observe what occurs.
- sh1mmer 2y agoYou mentioned RLCDs does this mean the screen technology is in the same family as transflective screens? I have a OLPC and a Toshiba R500 which have this kind of screen and they sorta kinda do work in sunlight but less so now than the newer super bright iPad screens. I’m curious if you think you have this down if that means there is a road to color in the future.
- Benanov 2y agoCame here to ask the same question. The OLPC Screen's "transflective" mode was absolutely amazing when it came out EIGHTEEN years ago in 2006. I mourn that the tech was never commercialized and that some company is sitting on the patents. I think it's time to boot the little computer that could, see what the latest distro is for it, and turn it into an E-Reader.
- Aeolun 2y agoSince you make it in Japan, can you sell it to me in JPY? Trying to buy anything in $ these days hurts my wallet xD
- arcwhite 2y agoI tried to order - looks like you're not shipping to Australia? Any plans there?
- jart 2y agoCan you make a 60fps paper monitor? I want to have a giant ones of those setup on my desk as a Xerox Alto-style display for my terminal sessions.
- prokopton 2y agoI was ready to enter my credit card number but there's no shipping to Japan.
- chuckjchen 2y agoCongrats on the launch! The tablet is what I've been looking for. Any plan to develop a laptop? I'll readily dump my MBP for it.
- legohead 2y agoFor me the main benefit of EInk, besides the daylight viewing, is battery life. How does your epaper compare to EInk or an iPad? I realize it wont be as efficient, running at 60fps, but I'm curious if it's that much better than a regular tablet display.
- mdp2021 2y ago> it wont be as efficient E-Ink is definitely not efficient for "animation". It does not consume power in static context being bistable, but switching dot state is very costly. So it all depends on the proportion "static:updating".
- nappy 2y agoI'm glad to see so much interest in devices like this. I hope they succeed. I own an Onyx Boox Tab Ultra, which I've been enjoying tremendously, and specs seem to compare favorably to this. https://shop.boox.com/products/tab https://shop.boox.com/products/tab Doesn't seem to be for sale at the moment, but the version with a color epaper layer is: https://www.amazon.com/BOOX-Tab-Ultra-Pro-Digital/dp/B0CHM54YZK https://www.amazon.com/BOOX-Tab-Ultra-Pro-Digital/dp/B0CHM54... Do you have more details on your display technology and how it performs? Any demo videos? It sounds like this is the key selling point? I'd also be curious to see more on the software side of this product - stock android isn't perfect for an eiknk display.
- fallat 2y agoI need you to tell me. Why are you not selling these as components for others to integrate? If this is truly better, and you hold patents, you would get zillions orders. Every hobbyist under the sun would buy this.
- riazrizvi 2y agoBecause that would make it a shit commodity business and you’d have too little value over the manufacturers who would soon cut you out. Why not do it yourself if you think it’s such a great money maker?
- saurik 2y agoI don't understand how any of this makes sense given "and you hold patents".
- eternauta3k 2y agoIf they sell components or monitors then they only have to do one "simple" thing right. If they sell tablets/cellphones/laptops then they have to do a number of more complex stuff well enough that people will consider switching.
- initramfs 2y agoVery cool. Been hoping for something like this. Also check out https://www.modos.tech/ https://www.modos.tech/
- wellthisisgreat 2y agoHey congrats!! This is super interesting. What is the difference between Daylight and e.g. Supernote or Scribe? So any of the currently available e-ink notepads? You said it’s e-paper not e-ink but what’s the practical difference? Does it still feel like writing on paper or less so? What kind of pen can I use with it? LAMY Pom is ok for example?
- amarant 2y agoAny chance you'll make a laptop with this display in the future? Coding in the sun is a wet dream of mine..
- ZainRiz 2y agoThis is so cool! Now, I didn't notice anything about waterproofing on your website. Any plans to come out with a version I don't have to worry about getting wet?
- FactKnower69 2y ago>$729 oof. would pay maybe $300 for this, better luck next time
- revolution88 2y agoYou can't buy regular tablet with this hardware for $300.
- ibeff 2y agoThis has the same CPU and twice the RAM and storage for $220: https://www.amazon.com/CUBOT-Tablet-10-4-inch-Android13-Tablets-Bluetooth/dp/B0CXT3WVMT?th=1 https://www.amazon.com/CUBOT-Tablet-10-4-inch-Android13-Tabl... So that's a $500 premium for the new display and less RAM and storage.
- cyberax 2y agoOne problem with reMarkable tablet that I have, is that the stylus' head is not quite completely immovable. It's a bit loose. Does the stylus for Daylight have the same issue?
- titzer 2y agoReally cool product! I want this for the display on a fully-featured laptop, not a reader. I want to code in the sun. All I want is a sweet sweet terminal and IDE. Is that on the roadmap?
- Fatnino 2y agoYour website crashes android Firefox after a few seconds
- manoweb 2y agoThe product looks very good. However I did NOT like the marketing claim on the front page that points out it is "blue-light free". The claim that blue light is harmful is not really that scientifically proven and if one has blue light at home (awful LED fixtures) this device will happily reflect it, will it not? Please correct me if I'm wrong, I love building light fixtures and 3000K low voltage halogen light, which I believe would work so well with Your device.
- kelsolaar 2y agoUnless the device absorbs the “nocive” part of the spectrum toward ultraviolet, you are correct saying it would reflect it.
- freedomben 2y agoI don't think it needs blue light to be harmful for that to be a feature. I personally don't know or care if it's "harmful," but I know that it messes up my sleep cycles so I try to avoid it before bed and especially during the night.
- all2 2y agoI'd like to put a custom OS on it. Will that be possible? Most tablets have the bootloader locked out by default, and that cannot quench my thirst for Linux.
- gcanyon 2y agoIs there a description somewhere of the actual tech?What's the reason you were able to invent fast-refresh e-ink-like displays when no one else could for over two decades?
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- saidinesh5 2y agoWish you the best with your release. I hope you release smaller and separate display modules too, so that they can be added to a laptop/phone case... Especially since a lot of new phones these days support USB C display port.. Also would be nice to see the pebble watch resurrected..
- bariswheel 2y agoI'm surprised by this and it sort of came out of nowhere, how'd you all beat Amazon and other big tech to the market?
- MrDresden 2y agoThe webpage seems to be broken on Firefox Android. As soon as the user clicks the burger menu and then dismisses it, scrolling is non functional. Otherwise congratulations on the launch.
- bpye 2y agoWhat are the physical dimensions?
- behringer 2y agoBlue light free. Does this mean the design is compromised or is it just irrelevant to an eReader?
- lloeki 2y agoIf I may indulge in some silly OCD feedback: the hero animation with pages turning has the shadow on the top right line up with the corner, which makes it as if the device has an inset chamfered bezel, which I feel is of disservice to the device. That tripped me up hard until I looked at the other side where the shadow is hitting halfway. Anyway, congratulations! I both hope you succeed and that it helps drag the 60Hz eink needle forward across the industry.
- manmal 2y agoLet me second some other comments here - I would absolutely buy a 24“ display right away. Ideally a colored version. The available options (like Sun Vision) seem sketchy at best, eg their UK rep reached out to me and never responded back - no way I‘d pay them this much without ever seeing the display first.
- torginus 2y agoHi just a minor nitpick - I've used devices like this, and one major complaint about them is that the tips of the Wacom styluses are incredibly fragile (about as bad as pencil lead). It has been a recurring issue for me that they got damaged while traveling with no way to easily replace them. If you could engineer a way to protect them (like a proper cap or a clicky pen mechanism) that would be a very handy improvement.
- KennyBlanken 2y agoWhy is there zero information about your company on the website? Especially given you want people to give you nearly a grand for something that hasn't even entered production yet? "About us: A more caring computer company"? Are you serious? Stop trying to be "cute." Even in you HN comment you don't tell us your name. What's with all the secrecy?
- mdp2021 2y ago> Even in you HN comment you don't tell us your name. What's with all the secrecy? It's in the profile.
- az226 2y agoWith Amazon likely releasing a Kindle Color soon, do you think your tablet will offer color any time soonish?
- ShayNehmad 2y agoI'm really thinking about buying one, but I NEED someone (even paid sponsors) on YT to review it and post a real-life video demo of them using it for a real thing in their office to believe the claims. I can really see how this will make meetings, 1:1s, reviews, blogging, and designs at work way WAY more deep and engaging than with my MacBook. And perhaps it'll help me get into reading more, as well! I think a nice demo can be Duolingo on it - it's something I do everyday so moving to this device could help me in that :)
- Naracion 2y agoUnsure how you are intending to use it for 1:1s and meetings--I don't believe this has a camera, so it can't be your primary device you are taking the call on. Of course, as a note-taking device during a meeting, this would shine! :)
- Zambyte 2y agoThey probably meant meeting in person with this tablet instead of a laptop.
- vaylian 2y agoAnd taking notes during the meeting. Maybe even demo something.
- ShayNehmad 2y agoMy thought process is: 1. During a physical meeting (all my team is co-located so it's easier) - note taking, brainstorming, etc. If I need to upload something from the meeting to our shared Canvas (on Slack) or to my notes (on Logseq) or just file them away (on Confluence, Logseq, Hibob, Slack, email) - seems a lot easier to stay connected and focused on the precious 1:1 time and juggle the data later. 2. During any other meeting; connect from my laptop via Zoom and write down notes on the paper. This will almost force me to not do what I usually do, which is lose focus on the meeting, stop thinking, and idly do something else (like zeroing my inbox, reading Slack, or programming). When I was in the Army and carried a physical paper notebook every meeting was actually useful for me.
- owickstrom 2y agoLooks awesome! Can you use it with third-party external keyboards? Bluetooth or USB-C?
- ngrilly 2y agoWhat is the autonomy? How many hours of "normal" use should we expect?
- 0xKumi 2y agoHey there boochiboo12, I have been waiting for a product like this being a long time kindle user and E-Ink enjoyer. So ofc I have been waiting for a product like this for a while. I went through the website and tried to order it but seems like this isn't available for sale in India. Any idea when it will be available here for sale?
- notorandit 2y agoWhat is the expected useful lifespan of such a display? I mean, how long will it last with at least 50 fps and no dead "pixels"?
- nathan_compton 2y agoIf it doesn't run linux, its not a computer.
- freedomben 2y agoIt runs Android (which uses linux). Steelmanning though, I imagine you are saying somethign like "if I can't load my own linux distribution on it, then it's not a computer" then I very much agree. OP has said elsewhere in the thread that they will provide bootloader unlocking and you can put LineageOS or whatever you want on it! For me that was the last thing I needed to get me to buy.
- ijaack94 2y agoHey there, congrats! I was really looking forward to a tablet made this way. Two Qs: 1) is the refresh rate locked at 60 fps? Or does it vary between 60 and 120? This is a big deal for me, as I suffer eye strain from low refresh rate displays 2) Why does it cost 'so much'? I mean, what's included in the 729$?
- kenver 2y agoLooks like a fantastic device. Any chance of getting these to Australia? I can’t see a shipping option.
- grishka 2y agoYour website does its own "improvements" to scrolling, thus on macOS it feels like I'm scrolling through molasses. It's repulsive even. Please, I beg you, just let the platform do its job. The tablet itself is interesting and impressive. I'm really curious to see that display in action.
- Eric_WVGG 2y agoThe term is “scrolljacking” and yes it’s infuriating.
- MaxikCZ 2y agoIt's always "Has my device freeze up? Oh no, there seem to be some change happening when I try to scroll, maybe if I scroll more it will work again?" Any sane browser should let users disable it for all pages.
- grishka 2y agoAny sane browser should also act like <video>, <audio> and <canvas> are unknown tags unless you allow that specific website to use them. Yet somehow, browsers are no longer user agents.
- balnaphone 2y agoThe site doesn't scroll at all on Firefox(X11) with ublock and umatrix, even when the non-tracking sites are enabled. In Brave browser it somewhat works in a janky way, but given that the site apparently brings a 24-core threadripper with 128GB RAM to it's knees, it certainly doesn't inspire confidence in the product, which otherwise looks pretty good.
- remram 2y agoI felt very weird reading this quote: > We refuse to accept a future where our devices are exhausting, addictive, and distracting on a website that has auto-playing videos sliding in from all sides, a background that changes color, and an inconsistent scrolling direction. If the OS is anything like the website, NO THANK YOU, for the very reasons they listed.
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- Zambyte 2y agoDoes this device have a locked bootloader? Edit: I just saw your other comment that "you will release tools to unlock the bootloader". What is the timeline for that? Can you do it today?
- freedomben 2y ago> Can you do it today? :-D I like your style! What's involved in such a thing? Since I bailed from Windows Phone 6.5 (after Microsoft broke every promise and turned my expensive and capable hardware into a paper weight by shutting down the store and not upgrading us to WP7 like they promised, but I digress) I've always bought Nexus, OnePlus, or Pixel devices where bootloader is easily unlockable. I did try the Moto X developer edition back in the day which required me to use their website to get an unlock key (still sad that Moto retreated on the openness/unlockability. It could have been a great long relationship Moto). So, how complicated is a tool to unlock the bootloader?
- lokimedes 2y agoLovely product you have there! I have a love hate relationship with my Remarkable, the distraction free UI fits my brain well, but their complete lack of an API makes it miss the mark of becoming my productivity driver by a light year. Basing your product on Android, I fear the pure distraction free selling point is at risk? How do you see the ecosystem around the device as it mature? And also, obviously, are you emulating the cloud approach that Remarkable has taken, and if so, will there be an API for me to slip my autogenerated daily schedule on to it? :)
- zoobab 2y agoCould you add a GPS bluetooth to it? Looking for a way to replace paper maps...
- freedomben 2y agoOoh, that's a damn good idea. I used paper maps for years into the digital availability because I like being able to trace paths, draw, highlight things, and annotate them with info. This would be a killer feature to me, though admittedly is quite niche. If the hardware gets a GPS, the app can be taken care of :-)
- a-saleh 2y agoHow is the Android experience stacking up? I might actually be in a market for something like this, as I recently cracked my old Boox ... but as I did use few e-ink devices, there was often problem with running Google Play. I do understand the need for customizing the shell, even with fast fremerate, it still is a Black/White device, but that often means sacrifices had to be made in the accessibility to the rest of the ecosystem and I am not really in the mood to side-load apps :D
- no_wizard 2y agoWhat’s the chance of a color version of this product coming out anytime soon?
- fennecbutt 2y agoGiven it has a matte finish for writing, which is super cool, but what about wear and tear? Writing tactility is provided by friction from the matte surface, wouldn't this wear down or scratch over time? If so is the front "glass" bonded to the display, can it be replaced or refurbished? Super freaking cool tho, was a sad day when pebble died (sharp MiP display) and I've always wanted to play with epaper some more, such a shame eink basically tried to corner the industry for so long. Do you ever intend to sell display modules using this tech for makers and the like?
- llamaimperative 2y agoHi, I'm a huge fan of the Supernote. I bought it over the Remarkable based on the pdf reading/annotating capabilities, but I think this can be much much better (especially in the age of AI). Do you have any videos or content on the pdf reader for Daylight?
- m1sta_ 2y agoPlease make a version that has the bezel blend in with the screen. It will make it look much more clean and more modern. The remarkable's thin body and bezels are key to why it is so desirable.
- ikari_pl 2y agoI already have Nova Air C, and a color Bigme tablet. I don't think any of the two was more expensive. The ePaper response time is tempting. But no color over "back"light temperature or no color support would be a step back. I fondly remember the best smartwatch I ever had - the Pebble Time, and its 60FPS color display. Can we get a version like this too? Try to change my mind that I need it.
- 1oooqooq 2y agowhy not a developer version so people can get Linux on it and you will have the true eink tablet killer? do you plan to monetize on customer lock in (only reason amazon and google don't open their android forks)? or fear of tech being stolen by having drivers open?
- barbariangrunge 2y agoThe only thing that gives me pause is the android os, which makes me uncomfortable for privacy reasons
- andrewmutz 2y agoCan you use VS Code on it? Presumably using a remote back end like github codespaces?
- DennisAleynikov 2y agoYes and you could use vscode.dev to edit local files as well Source: (I have been doing it all along on the daylight during development)
- andrewmutz 2y agoIf I'm developing in a container, can you run containers on the device?
- MisterTea 2y agoAny chance a 3rd party OS can be flashed?
- amykhar 2y agoWould love one - but I was recently burned by an expensive Android e-ink tablet with janky software and meh hardware. I need to be able to touch and play with one before I'd even consider buying it. I hope you make it into retail stores.
- micah_chatt 2y agoFirst, this looks amazing, congrats! The primary reason I've held off on buying an eink tablet (remarkable/kindle scribe) is because much of the non-leisure reading I do for work requires enterprise-friendly features like MDM and encryption, and even with that plugging into a laptop to sync every document is a major UX hurdle. Are you thinking about this primarily as a consumer device with, or do you want to go after those business applications sooner than later? Disclosure: I work at AWS, own a Kindle Oasis, but have nothing to do with Kindle or devices.
- tw04 2y agoQuestion: what sets this apart from say, boox? And in comparison, it seems a battery life of days feels a bit low - is that just a conservative estimate? Is that days with all-day use? Note: I have literally nothing to do with boox other than being a relatively happy customer, even if I do wonder about how much spyware is in their firmware. On that note - is there any guarantees around software updates? The good and the bad of android is the constant updates. Looks like this is on 13 which is soon to be two releases back - are there plans to support future major revisions or is 13 all this is getting?
- PontifexMinimus 2y agoHow hard would it be to have a colour screen?
- ShayNehmad 2y agoJust clicked on Order and Checkout, but looks like there's no shipping option to Israel. Any update on when that will be possible?
- doctorpangloss 2y agoYou should probably eliminate the "blue light free" claim. Per results on clinicaltrials.gov, blue light conclusively does not impact sleep outcomes. This is complex for a layperson to investigate, but you have to search for insomnia, sleep disorders, wakefulness during the day, and only studies with results. There are many uncompleted studies - it is typical for studies that have no chance of producing an interesting outcome are dropped by their investigators even when registered. However, those uncompleted studies produce many conflating results. For example, https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT02698800?tab=results https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT02698800?tab=results specifically investigated using blue light blocking lenses compared to clear lenses. This was not blinded. The differences in all their measures were within 1 standard deviation between the groups, so the result is conclusive that (1) insomnia scores vary very widely among people as a baseline (2) if there is a real effect, it is pretty small and would require a larger sample size to measure. Of course when they measure the part where you don't know if you're looking at blue light, like when you are actually asleep, there is no difference between groups. This is just to say that the whole blue light thing - placebo effects are real. People perceive this blue light thing as real, particularly tech people. Seed.com is successful. You can do placebos. But you should do the right thing and cut weird claims with no real evidence that are really small brained.
- chfalck 2y agoOnly 15 people enrolled in the cited study
- doctorpangloss 2y agoI know. There are basically no studies that were run to completion. This one was. Go ahead and look for yourself. However, this study proves that if the effect exists, it is pretty small, and probably placebo. Placebo effects are real. But they affect things like surveys. Actual sleep quality did not seem to change.
- normalaccess 2y agoEven if it's not true, I like amber light at night better. No science, just "feels" better. Same with the daylight bulbs, I think they are icky at night.
- lelanthran 2y agoThis is brilliant. Assuming successful revenue stream, are there going to be any further developments? I would love this as a monitor for coding (I use a plain black on white scheme in vim), for writing and for reading.
- Gormo 2y agoApart from the product, your branding (font, logo, icons, colors) is very reminiscent of late-'70s/early-'80s aesthetics, and specifically reminds me of Digital Research. Was that intentional?
- xhkkffbf 2y agoI love what I see. Too bad I don't have a need yet. But when I do....
- causality0 2y agoSeems like a company willing to take risks. If this is successful, do you think Daylight will explore options for color devices? I know that I personally am very sad that twenty years ago transflective LCDs were in tons of devices and were perfectly viewable in direct sunlight and now they're nowhere to be found.
- dgellow 2y agoPlease consider a collaboration with Framework, so many people dreamed of having a paper-like laptop
- konschubert 2y ago> it’s exclusively manufactured by our display factory in Japan. That is super impressive. This means you must be looking at selling big numbers? I am running a small company that is making e-paper calendars and smart screens. (You can check them out here: https://shop.invisible-computers.com/products/invisible-calendar https://shop.invisible-computers.com/products/invisible-cale... ) My number one struggle is that at the low volume I am selling, my choice of screens that I can procure is extremely limited and expensive. This then also drives the price of the final product. I guess I am kind of stuck in a local optimum (niche product) , where the other optimum is a high-volume, more mass-market product which would allow me to source a cheaper screen at higher volumes. I am obviously super curious what kind of screen you are using and who you are sourcing it from. I totally expect that you don't want to share, but on the off chance that you want to - my email is mail@konstantinschubert.com.
- simonebrunozzi 2y agoCongratulations and well done. I ordered 3 for my company (the waiting time is the only thing that sucks - I wish I could get my hands on it sooner than September). Also, welcome to Hacker News. You will like it here. Is there anything you need help with? What's the biggest challenge for you at the moment? p.s. my email in my profile, if you'd like to reach out.