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ChatGPT for Teams
- alvis 3y agoI think team is a good add to strength the product vision. I just hope it can connect to Notion so that we don't need to re import all the data
- Cheer2171 3y ago[dead]
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- ChrisArchitect 3y agoAnnouncement post: https://openai.com/blog/introducing-chatgpt-team https://openai.com/blog/introducing-chatgpt-team
- hereme888 3y ago100 messages / 3 hrs, with a 32k context window. That's really cost effective and efficient for my use case! Does anyone know if this applies to voice conversations? This is me while I'm driving: upload big PDF -> talk to GPT: "Ok, read to me the study/book/article word for word." Good job OpenAI.
- TotoHorner 3y ago> 100 messages / 3 hrs Sorry where do you see that? I only see "higher usage limits"?
- hereme888 3y agohttps://help.openai.com/en/articles/8801707-what-is-the-message-cap-on-chatgpt-team https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8801707-what-is-the-mess... That article doesn't say 100. 100 is what I read in the openai forums earlier today.
- jarcoal 3y agoI'm confused -- wasn't ChatGPT upgraded to 128k tokens at their last release? Or was that just the API?
- tedsanders 3y agoJust the API.
- codingdave 3y agoWhy would you need AI to read a document word-for-word. That can be done already in various tools without needing to go through ChatGPT?
- hereme888 3y agoCould you direct me to a tool that is privacy preserving in Android (I consider my OpenAI privacy-friendly), and has such a quality of speech?
- sagarpatil 3y agoGPT-4-1106-preview aka turbo has 128k tokens. Are they saying GPT-4 (0613) with 32k is better than GPT-4 Turbo?
- gumballindie 3y agoThe sooner we build a tool to filter out chatgpt generated garbage the better.
- conception 3y agoWe can’t filter out human generated garbage. Not sure how AI will be easier.
- aleph_minus_one 3y ago> The sooner we build a tool to filter out chatgpt generated garbage the better. The sooner we build a tool to filter out garbage the better. FTFY
- asicsarecool 3y agoMaybe we extend UTF so characters can have an AI generated flag. People could work around it but it might help
- reallymental 3y agoOk, so there are now 2 tiers where they don't use our data to train the model? The higher bandwidth is to clearly entice new customers, but the question remains, what happens to the old ChatGPT Plus users? Do their quotas get eaten up by these new teams?
- yawnxyz 3y agoLooks like the $20/month PLUS plan DOES use your data to train the model now... (they seem to have removed that "feature" from the list in the side-by-side comparison)
- Metricon 3y agoCurrently, if you disable chat history, you'll see this message: Chat History is off for this browser. When history is turned off, new chats on this browser won't appear in your history on any of your devices, be used to train our models, or stored for longer than 30 days. This setting does not sync across browsers or devices.
- abid786 3y agoIt's absolutely insane to trust that they won't do this.
- tempestn 3y agoNo it's not. If they explicitly say they won't train on your data and then they do, it's going to come out in discovery of one of the lawsuits they're fighting, and the consequences would be significant. Plus there's little incentive for them to lie about it, given most people leave history on.
- coconut08 3y agoyeah because no large tech company has ever lied to their customers about how their data is being handled. oh wait there are lawsuits surrounding this sort of thing all the time.
- thinkmassive 3y agoPricing: $25 per user/month billed annually $30 per user/month billed monthly
- ed_mercer 3y agoWhy would they make it more expensive than individual plans?
- transcriptase 3y agoIt’s marked up so they can offer a “special” discount on the sales call, and the customer can report back to their superiors that they “negotiated” a better deal and saved their company $X.
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- CaveTech 3y agoENTERPRISE baby. Business tiers are almost universally more expensive than individual tiers.
- ukuina 3y agoThe delta is the price for disallowing training on chats while retaining all functionality of the web interface and app (e.g., Voice chat).
- dataking 3y agono training on the data; more requests per hour.
- nickthegreek 3y agoI bet they will prioritize this traffic as well.
- phantomathkg 3y ago1 point by phantomathkg 0 minutes ago | parent | next | edit | delete [–] https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing It is very clear on the highlight. * Higher message cap. * Create and Share GPTs within workspace. * Admin console. * No training.
- victor9000 3y agomeh
- minimaxir 3y agoA notable feature here is "no training on your business data or conversations" which really shouldn't have to be a feature. (requests using the ChatGPT API already aren't trained upon)
- andrewstuart2 3y agoThis is ChatGPT, not OpenAI's API with the gpt4 models. This is allowing your team to use chat.openai.com together, rather than having to build or deploy your own with the API.
- ashu1461 3y agoYes but even in ChatGPT the training is not done ?
- sjwhevvvvvsj 3y agoBe default they train on user data and cripple the product in various ways if you opt out.
- alwa 3y agoFor some time I thought the primary way to opt out was to disable chat history. That made it impossible to use custom instructions. But I later found the account-level opt-out request, which, assuming they respect the weakly-worded “ask us not to train on your data” language, preserves the product’s full set of features: https://privacy.openai.com/policies https://privacy.openai.com/policies
- Roark66 3y agoThere is literally nothing on that page (nor in the linked help article that describes how to export data) that says how to tell them to "not use my data for training" and not loose history at the least. If you know more about this feature please do tell.
- laborcontract 3y agoAt the end of the day I wonder what openai's endgame is here. They're starting to expand their business in a way that geometrically grows the size of the team, overlapping products that microsoft is offering, making the whole non-profit/capped-profit thing a head scratcher. I guess you can argue this is just a marginal add-on to their existing ChatGPT product but I can imagine seeing them go full Salesforce/Oracle/enterprise behemoth here. I would say I'm very pro AI development and pro Sam reinstating but I've been starting to shake my head a bit. Their mission and their ambition are wildly different.
- martinky24 3y agoIt’s pretty obvious that once they realized how much money was on the table, the “non-profit” aspirations and goals went out the window. The Altman saga from a few months ago painted this clearly.
- engineer_22 3y agoHow much money is on the table?
- projectileboy 3y agoGDP bigger than that of the web.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoI would assume the endgame is like Microsoft: to become an OS for your org. Knowledge management, human augmentation (code, emails, copilot all the things), data analytics, workflow automations, etc. The mission changed when research ran into product market fit.
- m3kw9 3y agoThis is a way to create moat, you think Zoom can survive open source with just bland features serving moms and pops? That’s how you get them to stay out of open source
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- bix6 3y ago“No training on your business data or conversations” Does this mean they will still use your data for other non-training purposes?
- hanspeter 3y agoYes. They will use your data as input to the GPT model to deliver the reponse you have requested.
- bix6 3y agoAppreciate the funny response but that is obviously not the intention of my question
- thinkingemote 3y agomaybe we will see "only human eyes can see your data" vs "no automated tools can see your data" in the future
- mbesto 3y agoI mean, how else can you actually get a result without using your actual data...?
- brcmthrowaway 3y agoTypical VC filler, this is a sad day for Open AI (space emphasis)
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- ta988 3y agoMixtral is nowhere near gpt4. Forefront uses OpenAI or Anthropic (whose models aren't fantastic either).
- ehPReth 3y agodon’t even get the option to force SSO unless you “contact sales” for the enterprise tier from what I can see :/
- ta988 3y agoA major change is that you cannot opt out from having your conversations used for training unless you are usig a team account which is pretty costly for a single person.
- ec109685 3y agoThis link lets individuals opt out: https://privacy.openai.com/policies https://privacy.openai.com/policies
- tedsanders 3y agoAccording to this, you can still opt out of training, but you have to turn off history: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7730893-data-controls-faq https://help.openai.com/en/articles/7730893-data-controls-fa...
- ashu1461 3y agoI can see some good use cases - A custom gpt just trained on your code base can help you write test cases in your desired syntax. - A custom gpt trained on internal PRDs can help brainstorm better on the next set of features. Hoping to see something good come out of this
- ankit219 3y agoThis version of teams does not do that. You can hook it up by creating Custom GPTs and add some amount of docs to a specific GPT for retrieval, but you cannot connect an entire codebase to ChatGPT to get answers. Github[1] had introduced the feature you are talking about a year or so ago. Not sure if people are using it. Use cases I see are common ones - basic usage of ChatGPT but admin can control access. Provides ability for companies to bill directly instead of reimbursements, and have more control over it. HR docs and policies can be a separate GPT. Though nothing which requires multi level access control. [1]: https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-view/ https://githubnext.com/projects/copilot-view/
- ashu1461 3y agoGithub's feature is under private beta right now. I feel that it will be impactful. UI components can be generated as per your UI guidelines, same for tests. Hoping for good things
- ashot 3y agono collaboration though, for actual collaborative team spaces give vello.ai a try
- kachar 3y ago[dead]
- kannangce 3y agoI thought teams would be cheaper than individual.
- anonylizard 3y agoHave you ever seen an enterprise plan cheaper than the individual plans (Which are often free)? Now normal software is priced to squeeze as much money as you can, enterprises can afford more, so are charged more. Individuals are highly price sensitive, so has to be very cheap. GenAI is quite different in that its not 0 marginal cost, the marginal costs are probably at least 50% of the price. So the price difference between enterprise and individual plans will be far smaller than usual, due to the common cost base.
- callalex 3y agoNo, per-seat cost for these kinds of things is ALWAYS cheaper than retail. However it does require you to set up a meeting with a sales rep who will then work tirelessly to expand the number of services you use and require longer commitments etc. With “enterprise” pricing, the sticker price is just the opening number in a negotiation, and basic theory tells us that the opening number must be large since it sets a ceiling.
- The_Colonel 3y agoThere are many products which cater to both individual users and enterprises, and these will often charge individual users more. WinRAR is 30 EUR per user when buying a single license, 9 EUR when buying 100 licenses.
- benreesman 3y agoI’ve got my stuff rigged to hit mixtral-8x7, and dolphin locally, and 3.5-turbo, and the 4-series preview all with easy comparison in emacs and stuff, and in fairness the 4.5-preview is starting to show some edge on 8x7 that had been a toss-up even two weeks ago. I’m still on the mistral-medium waiting list. Until I realized Perplexity will give you a decent amount of Mistral Medium for free through their partnership. Who is sama kidding they’re still leading here? Mistral Medium destroys the 4.5 preview. And Perplexity wouldn’t be giving it away in any quantity if it had a cost structure like 4.5, Mistral hasn’t raised enough. Speculation is risky but fuck it: Mistral is the new “RenTech of AI”, DPO and Alibi and sliding window and modern mixtures are well-understood so the money is in the lag between some new edge and TheBloke having it quantized for a Mac Mini or 4070 Super, and the enterprise didn’t love the weird structure, remembers how much fun it was to be over a barrel to MSFT, and can afford to dabble until it’s affordable and operable on-premise. “Hate to see you go, love to watch you leave”.
- icelancer 3y ago> Mistral Medium destroys the 4.5 preview. On what metrics? LMSys shows it does well but 4-Turbo is still leading the field by a wide margin. I am using 8x-7b internally for a lot of things and Mistral-7b fine-tunes for other specific applications. They're both excellent. But neither can touch GPT-4-turbo (preview) for wide-ranging needs or the strongest reasoning requirements. https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboard https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboar... EDIT: Neither does mistral-medium, which I didn't discuss, but is in the leaderboard link.
- benreesman 3y agoKeep in mind that modern quantitative approaches to LLM evaluation have been effectively co-designed with the rise of OpenAI, and folks like Ravenwolf routinely disagree with the leaderboards. There's also very little if any credible literature on what constitutes statistically significant on MMLU or whatever. There's such a massive vested interest from so many parties (the YC ecosystem is invested in Sam, MSFT is invested in OpenAI, the US is invested in not-France, a bunch of academics are invested in GPT-is-borderline-AGI, Yud is either a Time Magazine cover author or a Harry Potter fanfic guy, etc.) in seeing GPT-4.5 at the top of those rankings and taking the bold one at < 10% lift as state of the art that I think everyone should just use a bunch of them and optimize per use case. I have my own biases as well and freely admit that I love to see OpenAI stumble (no I didn't apply to work there, yes I know knuckleheads who go on about the fact they do). And once you factor in "mixtral is aligned to the demands of the user and GPT balks at using profanity while happily taking sides on things Ilya has double-spoken on", even e.g. MMLU is nowhere near the whole picture. It's easy and cheap to just try both these days, don't take my word for which one is better.
- oflordal 3y agoDid anyone evaluate this compared to using api access through an external gui (i.e. continue.dev). For software dev did the cost end up higher? I am thinking this is can be more convenient (and I suppose engineers can more easily use it outside work as a perk). Given practical use across a team will vary you get a lower price when using api and perhaps additional opportunity for scripted use.
- joshspankit 3y agoAre there any new OpenAI opt in links that we might be missing? Last one I remember was OpenAI GPT-4 API
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- sgammon 3y agoWoah. Bold move.
- msmenardi 3y agothey don't want you to be able to communicate with your teammates without their knowledge
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- singularity2001 3y agoAlso part of the announcement: The GPT store https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38941158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38941158 https://chat.openai.com/gpts https://chat.openai.com/gpts
- realusername 3y agoI'm not too suprised by the move, it's a classic segmentation steategy but I was surprised how poorly the example screenshots they gave reflect on the product. You have one non actionable marketing answer, a growth graph created without axis (what are people going to do with that?) and a Python file which would be easier just to run to get the error. That kind of reinforce my belief that those AI tools aren't without their learning curves despite being in plain English.
- padjo 3y agoThe Engineering example is absolutely hilarious. Sure, I’m going to copy paste my code into an AI assistant to ask it about a bug that a linter would spot in realtime as I wrote the code.
- callalex 3y agoI agree with you completely, but the target audience of people who will do such a thing have no clue what a linter, lexer, or parser are. Maybe even a compiler. And that audience is much larger than us folks at the ripe old age of 25+ even realize.
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- shrx 3y agoCould a moderator change the "Teams" in the title to lowercase (as it is in the article)? Capitalizing Teams misleadingly implies it's regarding Microsoft's chat platform.
- cald0s 3y agoBut that's how headlines work
- pests 3y agoI agree, but why didn't the original article do it? Or did they see the potential for confusion and deliberately not? When a common word is a product / brand, how do you use that word in a title without bringing up associations with that product / brand? Isn't the guidelines to submit the title as-is, no editorializing?
- dspillett 3y ago> but why didn't the original article do it? Local style guide says not to capitalise headlines, presumably. Though you are right, the general rule here is not to change headlines and that should probably apply to style as well as wording. Looking at other posts on the main list there seems to be a mix as the original styles (sentence cap, all words capitalised, all but articles, …) have been kept.
- midasuni 3y agoYou could argue that Microsoft’s claim on common words (Teams, Windows) is the problem here.
- pests 3y agoYou could, but I think that ship has sailed.
- justincormack 3y agoThe UK stopped capitalising every word in headlines back in the 1980s maybe earlier. It looks much nicer and is more readable. The bold tells you it is a geadline. US newspaper graphic design seems very retro to me.
- mvkel 3y agoCEO will be the first job that AI replaces
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- dizzydes 3y agoOpenAI understand their tech lead isn't a sustainable moat, so are going for network effects. Similar to Slack Connect (shared channels).
- weatherlite 3y agoI heard the no moat theory before and I don't get it. The open source models are about a year or two behind the latest ChatGPT in terms of quality. That means companies will always be willing to pay premium to use ChatGPT and not rely on open source. So even if/when Google and Apple (and perhaps Meta) catch up in terms of A.I quality, there's still so much money to be made for OpenAI. One interesting by product of late game capitalism like this is as more and more jobs get destroyed due to A.I, so will subscriptions. So it might be a mixed bag in the end for the tech giants if there's no real economy to buy the products anymore, but we're a long way from there.
- hackerlight 3y agoI think no moat vs moat is a false dichotomy. They have a moat (better researchers and data) and are about to make it even better (network effects).
- goatlover 3y agoIt was on researcher's opinion at a competing company, and everyone treated it as fact.
- phillipcarter 3y agoYeah, this is something I've been saying as well. Their true "moat" is their network of people who know and understand how to know use their tech.
- ttul 3y agoIt’s the “we will make this so easy for you that you never want to switch” moat. Definitely akin to Slack, which also has the integration glue to keep you on their platform. Even though there are many Slack alternatives now that are really great, most companies on Slack will opt to stay there rather than invest in migrating.
- sholladay 3y agoI want ChatGPT for Family. The free version gets a lot of use around here but the most powerful feature is the ability to search the web, which is only available to paid users. I pay $20/month for myself and I’d happily pay a bit more for the whole family, but not $20/month per person - it adds up. Family members end up asking to borrow my phone a lot to use it. Give me a 3-4 person plan that costs $30-$40/month. You’re leaving money on the table!
- unnouinceput 3y agoCan't you use the same account on multiple phones though? I thought this is a no brainer.
- lhnz 3y agoThis is probably correct but I'd prefer that family don't read the conversations I've had, as even if I'm not saying anything too private, it feels too intrusive (it'd be a bit like reading my inner thoughts).
- hospitalJail 3y agoI'd love if I could use both my users at the same time to ask 2x questions. My wife uses chatgpt only a few times a day. I guess I need to 2x my browsers. I don't think this would work on the phone because I believe I need my browser open for chatgpt to continue its computations.
- rogerthis 3y agoThe pattern in the footer of Open AI pages is very annoying, unintelligent.
- bob1029 3y agoI think assistants / agents are going to be the big thing this year. I was working on something at the end November that was proposing competent PRs based upon request for work in a GH issue. I was about halfway through the first iteration of a prompt role that can review, approve and merge these PRs. End goal being a fully autonomous software factory wherein the humans simply communicate via GH issue threads. Will probably be back on this project by mid February or so. Really looking forward to it. Bigger, more useful context is all I think I really want at this point. The other primitives can be built pretty quickly on top of next token prediction once you know the recipes.
- wildpeaks 3y agoNote that "no training on your data" is only for Team and Enterprise: https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing
- dan_bez 3y agono training on API as well. I integrated it with Telegram over a year ago. For convenience rather than for cost savings. Been paying $2 per month on average ever since. And "No training on your data" is included.
- queueueue 3y agoThe API is not used for training purposes either. https://openai.com/enterprise-privacy https://openai.com/enterprise-privacy
- londons_explore 3y agoI suspect that user data isn't really valuable for training from anyway - the data will be full of users lying to the bot to try to manipulate it. But "we won't train from your data" is a powerful marketing line, and differentiator between classes of customer, even if they have no intention to train from the data of anyone.
- lhl 3y agoYou can make a privacy request for OpenAI to not train on your data here: https://privacy.openai.com/ https://privacy.openai.com/ Alternatively, you could also use your own UI/API token (API calls aren't trained on). Chatbot UI just got a major update released and has nice things like folders, and chat search: https://github.com/mckaywrigley/chatbot-ui https://github.com/mckaywrigley/chatbot-ui
- happytiger 3y agoIt should be opt out by default: not opt in.
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- econner 3y agoOur team has an Enterprise account, but individuals cannot access GPT-4 through the chat.openai.com interface. With teams, do individuals get access to GPT-4 through that interface? Is our account just broken somehow? It seems odd we have enterprise but cannot access GPT-4 through the main ChatGPT interface.
- athyuttamre 3y agoDo you have a ChatGPT Enterprise subscription purchased via our sales team? Or are you an API customer? The former should have GPT-4 access; if not, that’s a bug, and I can look into it if you email me at atty@openai.com. The API and ChatGPT are separate products, and usage or credits purchased for the API do not provide paid ChatGPT access.
- DelightOne 3y agoSounds like an upgraded Plus with privacy, so 30$ for additional privacy compared to Plus.
- philip1209 3y agoRIP to all the startups this just killed.
- CamperBob2 3y agoNot your land, not your farm.
- wand3r 3y agoAdjacent question, leaving aside value proposition. Do companies pay for 1000 seats like this? I didn't realize slack is $5 a user a month. Do they discount this for bulk, or are companies paying $5k/month $60k/yearly? These subscriptions must really add up. On All In, they discussed the leverage from AI tools and they probably also meant open source, but one of the companies just rolled their own instance of a big monthly SaaS product because it was such a big expense for the startup.
- Aeolun 3y agoYeah, companies really do. Once a year our company gets a really large bill (15k users, several services). The thing is those same people need to be paid, and that’s a much (100x) larger bill, so the extra amount doesn’t really signify.
- marpstar 3y agoThis is why the price of "Enterprise" level of SaaS is always "Contact Us". Contract deals (i.e. "lock-in") are negotiated behind the scenes.
- mikepurvis 3y agoI'm not really in the know, but I bet the enterprise discounts don't kick in until you're at the tens of thousands of users. In any case, $60k sounds like a lot as a top-line figure to some bean-counter, but all these sales pitches follow the same basic pattern: - This is an essential, best-in-class tool. You wouldn't deny your employees a laptop or a free lunch, would you? - $5/user/mo is a bargain compared to the hassle of building/hosting this yourself, punching holes in your firewall every time you need to receive a webhook, dealing with security and auth issues. - $60k is half the cost of someone you don't need to hire on your in-house IT team. Does it make sense yet?
- rrr_oh_man 3y ago> I bet the enterprise discounts don't kick in until you're at the tens of thousands of users I'll take that bet ;) Not really sure about OpenAI, but you can absolutely negotiate with almost any company.
- VincentEvans 3y agoHere’s an idea - ChatGPT app for Apple Carplay. Right now while driving i often do “hey siri” - but instead of carrying on a conversation where I can ask clarifying questions, I am most greeted with “i cannot show you this information while driving”, because rather than summarizing the answer, Siri tries to show me some website link.
- Roritharr 3y agoThe way they purposefully made the Enterprise Plan so much better than the Teams plan is genius, the pressure on Enterprises to "just do the right thing" is pretty heavy here, I'd bet this will make them more than billion before the year is over.
- Terretta 3y agoIt's not better. It starts with "Call Us" so no matter what it includes, it's worse.
- happytiger 3y agoSo basically only companies don’t get spied on now? Even paid accounts are subject to data collection by default?