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Imgur Updates TOS, Banning NSFW Content
- cynicalsecurity 3y agoWhat's the problem with NSFW? Why discriminate and demonize this kind of content? > We don't want to create a bad experience for someone that might stumble across explicit images, nor is it in our company ethos to support explicit content, so some lascivious or sexualized posts are not allowed. Hey Imgur! By banning NSFT you've create a bad experience for me and now I'm stumbled. Happy?
- ceejayoz 3y ago> What's the problem with NSFW? Why discriminate and demonize this kind of content? The usual answer is that advertisers don't want their ads appearing next to it.
- MuffinFlavored 3y agoturn them off on NSFW posts?
- ceejayoz 3y agoTumblr tried that. No NSFW voluntary tagging nor automated detection is ever perfect, so many advertisers treat it as all-or-nothing.
- leshenka 3y agohow about showing nsfw ads next to nsfw content?
- ceejayoz 3y agoNSFW ads are never 100% reliably detected or voluntarily flagged, and it only takes one screnshot of Wholesome Brand™ next to someone's penis for it to be a PR issue.
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- devnullbrain 3y agoFree hosting for the masses of porn on the internet is a low interest rate phenomenon.
- throwaway71271 3y agois there a legal issue with AI generated NSFW? (like https://twitter.com/search?q=stable%20diffusion https://twitter.com/search?q=stable%20diffusion)
- steele 3y agoProbably wants to get out of the threat of regulatory crosshairs for revenge porn laws via AI generated images.
- absoluteJM 3y agoTons of image tutorials from Reddit will probably be destroyed. This reminds me of when Photobucket wiped tons of contents which were used on old forums.
- leshenka 3y agoet tu, brute?
- thih9 3y agoWhy now? Is there any context about this decision?
- dahwolf 3y agoThis is web 4.0, also known as WWBWW. World Wide Bubble Wrap Web.
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- kats 3y agoMaybe it will take down a lot of Reddit traffic as well.
- afrcnc 3y ago[dead]
- butz 3y agoIs it time for a decentralized image host, where images are actually stored on users devices?
- dormento 3y agoI've been seeing more and more "fringe-content" websites having billing issues currently, with card processors declining their business due to "safety" concerns (really, a blanket term for "I don't wanna do business with you for whatever reason, but I'm not going to say"). Does anyone know what may be happening?
- rabuse 3y agoI found a pretty lax new social site that doesn't seem to have a problem with NSFW uploads. https://qwurty.com https://qwurty.com
- Bran_son 3y agoBait and switch: get popular with user-friendly terms, then pull the rug from under your users and use your conned popularity to serve advertisers.
- ho_schi 3y agoIs the affecting THT (Thigh High Thursday)? I’m just asking…for a friend.
- syngrog66 3y agorule of thumb: media sharing startups gladly host porn when they're early, small and growing. Then once they mature, get big enough, the Adults Take Over, they then ban the porn. Seen this sequence happen a dozen times from afar over decades.
- Phelinofist 3y agoI actively avoid imgur anyway because of the insane amount of JS
- stalfosknight 3y agoHas no one at Imgur heard of Tumblr and what happened when they tried this? Why do they think this will turn out differently for them?
- tinglymintyfrsh 3y agoDamn, they went full Insta.
- scrum-treats 3y agoI thought the ban included any image from unregistered accounts. Is this not the case?
- _dain_ 3y agoI've been using https://catbox.moe/ https://catbox.moe/ which is kept alive by donations. One interesting thing they do is their sister site, https://litterbox.catbox.moe/ https://litterbox.catbox.moe/ which does temporary hosting: an hour, 12 hours, a day, or three days. So the user can choose whether they want it kept around forever, and the site can save money on hosting. I bet an enormous amount, maybe 99%, of imgur content is stuff that users only meant to share once and wouldn't care if it were deleted. But the other 1% is of tremendous value -- even if an image gets no hits in years, that's no guarantee it's really useless (e.g. an instruction manual for an obscure piece of hardware or software). And it's hard to know which is which.
- FrontierPsych 3y agoThe internet is becoming much more puritan than broadcast tv or cable tv. It's disgusting. I guess at least the large sites, anyways. What is the new imgur that will take imgur's place? Anyone know if there's something new?
- etimberg 3y agoIs this their tumblr moment?
- mylasttour 3y agoIt effectively is for large Reddit communities, as most of them rely on Imgur to upload NSFW content. There aren't many free image hosting sites as "generous" as Imgur (unlimited bandwidth, large sizes, no visible compression, "permanent") so it'll be interesting to see where they move to.
- sudosysgen 3y agoYou can just post directly to Reddit now.
- mjr00 3y agoYou have to wonder how long that's going to last, though, as Reddit is in the same situation of quietly tolerating pornographic content while not explicitly promoting it. The worst possible outcome for Reddit is that this move shines light on how many porn communities exist on reddit, which causes media scrutiny, which causes advertisers to bail or threaten to bail, which causes Reddit to ban NSFW subreddits, which spells the end of Reddit.
- jabroni_salad 3y agomore like it will be mastercard that bails. I wonder how many redditors that upload thtemselves have a form 2257 on file.
- aaronmdjones 3y agoI wouldn't imagine 18 USC 2257 applies to people posting themselves to Reddit. Among other things, subsection a(2) requires that the content be mailed or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce, or intended to be. In other words, the law targets commercial pornography.
- rasengan 3y agoThey said they didn’t want people stumbling on NSFW content. Then I clicked on the explanation on their TOS and stumbled upon NSFW content.
- godzillabrennus 3y agoMakes sense. Not exactly advertising friendly content for them to monetize.
- lylejantzi3rd 3y agoThat's been true for the past 10 years. What's changed? edit: They sold to Medialab in 2021. That's what's changed.
- djkoolaide 3y agoFor a long time now, imgur simply hasn't worked for me unless I whitelist JS for medialab and a bunch of other 3rd-party domains. Even direct image links get hijacked back to the tracking-infested page. Good riddance, imgur, you won't be missed.
- Semaphor 3y agoThe redirect is geo dependent FYI. Never had it in Germany (tested without ublock a while ago, might have changed without), but I've read of US users having this happen years ago
- thinkingemote 3y agoYour edit is the most illuminating on this entire thread. We have some notion that websites are static bodies that don't change, and look for outside societal reasons for some unexpected change where it's often the most commonly found cause. Imgur stopped existing in 2021 and it became part of Medialab. (Medialab also own kik and whisper)
- Beaver117 3y agoWhy do advertisers shy away from porn? It's not like iPhone owners don't watch it so what's the problem with Apple putting their ads next to a pair of boobs once in a while?
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- mjr00 3y agoTumblr 2.0 incoming? It's a not-so-unspoken fact that a lot of social media platforms are popular because they have tons of pornography. Reddit, Twitter, OnlyFans (more openly) and (until now) Imgur all have massive communities around explicit content. Even Twitch and YouTube are hugely successful as ways for OnlyFans creators to drive users to their explicit content. Going to be very interesting to see if imgur drops off the face of the earth as tinypic, imageshack, photobucket and many others before it did. Certainly this was the longest-lasting image host I can think of.
- LinuxBender 3y agoHopefully also more people just hosting their own tiny static image servers, RasPi's, VM's, etc... maybe.
- shrimp_emoji 3y agoP2P? No shitty middlemen that need $$$ for server lettuce? Nah; not retarded enough.
- LinuxBender 3y agoProbably not P2P as people could not embed images to it. I think it would need to be a simple web server that can do HTTP and SSL. Maybe NGinx or Apache and certbot to get HTTPS working.
- PaulHoule 3y agoThe economics of image hosting are absolutely brutal.
- waboremo 3y agoReddit has also recently announced moves in regards to NSFW content[1] by limiting data access to mature content more aggressively than they currently do. It seems like an area a lot of platforms are struggling with and seem to opt for a complete ban. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_regarding_reddits_api/ https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_r...
- yieldcrv 3y agothe “find out” phase, for imgur
- kevinmchugh 3y agoAt some point imgur built a front page. Initially it mirrored reddits front page. And then it diverged, and very strangely for an image hosting site, most of the content on the front page was text. Often about current events, engaging in a superficial way (so, falling into the traps that HN is set up to avoid) but sometimes just tweet screenshots. This i guess is another move away from image content for imgur. Dunno.
- raverbashing 3y agoThere's this weird world of people who get their memes from Imgur directly and don't know about reddit or their other sources Looks like the shadow theatre has a captive audience
- kevinmchugh 3y agoA lot of the Reddit posts they're reading a xerox of are just tweets. A copy of a copy!
- raverbashing 3y agoAh yes there are multiple levels of indirection
- oblio 3y agoI've seen reddit posts of screenshots of Twitter messages containing screenshots of Twitter replies. We're this close to prints and scans, like grandpa.
- preciousoo 3y agoImgur is how I found Reddit, but that was a long time ago
- tux2bsd 3y ago[dead]
- dimmke 3y agoCan we please stop using “NSFW” as a euphemism for porn? I feel like I’m going crazy today between this and Reddit. The standard for something to qualify as NSFW is much lower than straight up pornography. It was originally anything you wouldn’t want your boss to see you looking at if he walked up behind you at your cubicle. The use of the term is incredibly vague. If you’re banning porn just say you’re banning porn Jesus Christ.
- spicybright 3y agoIf you actually clicked the link before posting it specifies more than just porn. And porn is the most interesting aspect as it's morality is much more debatable than hate speech, doxing people, etc.
- dimmke 3y agoI did click the link after writing that knee jerk comment. I think their page does a great job of explaining that pornography is banned but other content that would be considered “NSFW” is allowed but must be marked as “mature”. I actually feel like it makes the title of the submission inaccurate and my point still stands there.
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- gscott 3y agoI use NSFWWIBM (NOT SAFE FOR WHEN WIFE IS BEHIND ME). Because I work by myself NSFW doesn't apply.
- saagarjha 3y agoLots of people have spouses that are fine with them consuming porn.
- AraceliHarker 3y agoMany social networking sites (YouTube, Twitter, Tumblr, etc.) prohibit sexual content, racism and unauthorised use of trademarks in their terms and conditions, but in practice they've mostly left it alone, so I doubt Imgur will be so thorough.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y agoIt's usually enough to CYA with the TOS, but then operate strictly on a complaint basis. Like your typical cops do.
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- TheAceOfHearts 3y agoTwitter [0] explicitly allows sexual content: > You can share graphic content and consensually produced adult nudity and sexual behavior content within your Tweets, provided that you mark this media as sensitive. But since we're on the topic, one social media service that you didn't mention is TikTok. I haven't seen anyone write about this and find it a bit fascinating. Although TikTok claim that sexual content isn't allowed, a lot of adult sex workers continuously skirt or outright ignore the rules. Some sex worker's strategy seems to be to continuously create multiple new accounts, as new accounts have a time period and size limit where growth and reach is really easy in order to get creators initially hooked. Two trends I've encountered are women flashing their vaginal lips through a see-through dress with a backlight and women flashing their breasts on reflective background items while seeming to engage in some mundane activity. But even the sex workers that don't engage in blatant TOS violations clearly create content to lead you towards their OnlyFans page. A breakdown of the evolution of the sex worker advertisement meta on TikTok is a YouTube video waiting to be made, especially as TikTok dies off and the strategies no longer remain viable as a vehicle for growth. A modern-day version of Aella's classic "Maximizing Your Slut Impact: An Overly Analytical Guide to Camgirling" [1]. [0] https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/media-policy https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/media-policy [1] https://knowingless.com/2018/11/19/maximizing-your-slut-impact-an-overly-analytical-guide-to-camgirling/ https://knowingless.com/2018/11/19/maximizing-your-slut-impa...
- ndiddy 3y agoImgur will also be deleting images that aren't associated with a user account. https://help.imgur.com/hc/en-us/articles/14415587638029/ https://help.imgur.com/hc/en-us/articles/14415587638029/
- unixhero 3y agoYeah this is the death of trust for Imgur. Bye bye
- unixhero 3y agoOr should I say death knell
- londgine 3y agocurrently when uploading an image to stack exchange it is stored in imgur. I wonder if they will move to another host.
- account42 3y agoThis is hardly the first image host that dies. Is there any way to sustainabley fund long term sleek non-ad-infested image hosting? There are some that are donation-funded (e.g. https://abload.de/spenden_en.php https://abload.de/spenden_en.php) but I don't know how sustainable that is once the service becomes popular enough that commercial usrs might end up using it as free image storage. Another option is of course to have many smaller hosts, down to personal sites at the extreme. But that only changes the loss from shutdowns from big events to a steady stream of entropy. We really need a much more expanded Internet Archvie that can serve content at reasonable speeds along with browser and forum plugins to automatically redirect old linnks there.
- fenomas 3y agoThis strikes me as being at least as big a deal as the NSFW bit. For 10+ years, imgur has been many people's go-to way of hosting an image they want to post to a forum or whatever. Many of those people will have paid little attention to whether or not they were logged into imgur when they posted each image. In short, it sounds like a lot of image links are about to break.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y agoSlack integration
- Barrin92 3y agoI'm still waiting for the day when people will stop being absurdly neurotic about sexuality and just let people share their stuff as long as it's age flagged appropriately. It's so absurd that the most normal thing on earth is put into the same moderation category as harassment or hate speech.
- moi2388 3y agoThat’s what happens when you deal with companies from the US.
- voidhorse 3y agoAmen. Sex is bad but violence and the weekly mass shooting circuit are great and good for the kids. God bless America.
- chii 3y agoWhen you have lobby groups like the NRA, but no lobby group for the porn industry, this is what happens.
- dragonwriter 3y agoThe porn industry has lobby groups. The main industry one is the Free Speech Coalition, but the Adult Performance Artist Guild, the porn actors labor union, does lobbying (sometimes in conjunction with FSC where their interests coincide), too. They don’t have nearly the resources, grassroots base, or supply of Russian money the NRA has had, OTOH, neither is in the degree of legal mess the NRA is currently in, either.
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- midoridensha 3y agoAs another poster pointed out, it's not just the US, though with the US's economic dominance it's a huge factor. China and middle eastern nations don't like sexual content either. Basically, the governments in these places want you to concentrate on the state-sanctioned religion instead of relieving your biological urges with porn. So in the middle east, they want you thinking about Islam all day long. In the US, they want you thinking about Jesus n' Guns. In China, they want you thinking about the glory of Xi and the CCP. I'm pretty surprised actually that Russia hasn't cracked down on porn yet.
- NotYourLawyer 3y agoI'm surprised imgur still exists. It's been years since reddit started doing their own image hosting, and that was basically the only thing anyone used it for.
- boneitis 3y agoI'm both surprised and not, given how much user blocking they already employ. For months now, I've been unable to view photos on Imgur. Only recently, I finally realized their "over capacity" error was their cop-out for "we don't want to serve your IP blocks". (Yes, I am primarily on VPN.)
- Proven 3y ago[dead]
- devjab 3y agoIsn't Imgur a fairly popular social media in its own right similar to Reddit? According to this https://blog.gitnux.com/imgur-statistics/ https://blog.gitnux.com/imgur-statistics/ it has 300 million active monthly users, and if you go there and click around on a few images it seems to have as many comments as Reddit does. I don't really use either sites, but isn't Reddit mostly a collection of links to content from other places? Whenever I needed to share an image online over the years, I tended to use Imgur without an account after bildr.no shut down, but I did only use those services if it didn't matter that the image disappeared after I'd shared it, and now that you can copy-paste images into basically any messaging service on basically any device that sort of need has disappeared.
- Semaphor 3y agoAlmost no generalization if Reddit will ever work, as it's closer to a forum host than any other social-ish media. I read many subreddits that are predominantly text-only selfposts. Of course, some of them use NSFW tagging for spoilers …
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- pabs3 3y agoArchiveTeam are in early discussions about how to save all that stuff to archive.org. https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Imgur https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Imgur
- 015a 3y agoThis is a fantastic time to be alive and prepared to start the third generation of internet companies. You've got Google in a panic against OpenAI, Meta is imploding, Twitter is imploding, Reddit can't help but drive users away, and now least of all Imgur also deciding to follow them off the cliff; I genuinely feel blessed to watch these companies tear themselves apart. Like in all things; we, the data hoarders, the open source community, the hackers, the archivists, were here before them; and we'll be here after them. Like watching pigs roll in the mud.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago>prepared to start the third generation of internet companies. With the same business model, you'll get the same problem. What's new on this front? >$2/mo subscriptions and advertising? Meh.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y agoAlso, lots of top tier talent is being laid off, and many others are well-capitalized and eager to flee to fully remote companies, or to start their own companies. Looking back a decade from now, we'll notice that many of the unicorns will have been founded in 2023.
- neilv 3y agoI don't understand why Imgur did the following on https://imgurinc.com/rules https://imgurinc.com/rules , which I'd assume would be vetted by a lawyer... Caption on example photo of mocking an obese person sitting on a too-small metal folding chair, consequently with a little butt crack visible (maybe at an MtG event): > This buttcrack isn't intended to stimulate erotic feelings, so it's ok. Two sections later, this photo itself seems to hit about half of the section: > No hate speech, abuse or harassment. Including: > attacks on people based on their [...] age, disability or medical condition* > harassment in the forms of [...] or inciting the community into support or disdain for a person, organization or community* > content that attacks, bullies, or harasses non-public people > any image taken of or from someone without their knowledge or consent for the purpose of harassment, [...] > Posts that might be taken down may include: [...] negative stereotypes, [...] malicious personal attacks on non-public individuals, [...] “fat people hate,” [...] photos taken of a non-public figure without their knowledge to make fun of them Then this section claims to tend to err on the side of taking down content: > It's important to keep in mind that not everything that's mean or insulting is hate speech. That said, the line between unintentional and serious attacks is sometimes difficult to identify, so we're likely to err on the side of taking abusive content down. Yet they're including a harassing image in the same rules page, captioned as "ok". This seems sloppy to me. And, when it's in the context of a historically risky move of a major NSFW hoster going anti-NSFW, I wonder whether that part has been worked through meticulously. Kudos to Imgur for surviving this long. I remember when they were effectively Reddit's image CDN, with the norm seeming to be Imgur-served images embedded with `img` elements in Reddit pages. I'd wondered how that worked, financially, and whether there were deals with Reddit, or it was just unofficially symbiotic. Imgur has been an important part of the Web for a long time, and hopefully they've figured out a good/necessary direction for 2023, and will execute well on it.
- dahwolf 3y ago"harassment in the forms of [...] or inciting the community into support or disdain for a person, organization or community*" This would cover pretty much every quote tweet ever. Also, how is incitement to SUPPORT a person harassment? Please stop praising me? They also seem to take a strong ideological position in hate speech where they hint that its fine to stereotype/discriminate majorities but not minorities.
- minimaxir 3y agoMany years ago I did an analysis on how fast Imgur grew on Reddit: https://minimaxir.com/2017/06/imgur-decline/ https://minimaxir.com/2017/06/imgur-decline/ Reddit adding its native hosting effectively kneecaped it, however, although from Imgur's perspective it's hard to say that's a bad thing since they just lose money on bandwidth. Since then, Imgur has been strongly pushing non-direct image links where they can show ads.
- phendrenad2 3y agoThe pendulum has clearly started to swing back to sexual repression. Society has started to see sexual freedom and expression as grotesque. Now the only question is how far it'll swing.
- bequanna 3y agoBy which metric? Broadly, the biggest pushes have been to limit exposure of highly-sexualized content to those 18+.
- rm_-rf_slash 3y agoWe really ought to update Napoleon’s quote about malice and stupidity to something like “never attribute to moral preening that which can be explained by financial incentives”
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- ulfw 3y agoOnly in America, the most puritan developed nation.
- maccolgan 3y ago>Society has started to see sexual freedom and expression as grotesque When has it been not grotesque? It's just that “American” “norms” are actually starting to “progress” to the mean.
- adad95 3y agoI don't think is the case. I think we are even more sexually open was society. I think the issues here is the US money is over and now the big investors are from countries that porn is banned like China and Arabias.
- Gigachad 3y agoI think it’s more likely that hosting sexual content involves having to deal with loads of abusive material which is hard to detect and process, and which requires great haste in dealing with. It’s hard to have an army of dirt cheap outsourced moderators sort out regular porn from revenge porn. If you take too long dealing with regular spam, not much happens. If you take too long dealing with this kind of content, you get cut off from payment providers and advertising.
- inquirerGeneral 3y ago[dead]
- throwaway2990 3y agoI wish imgur would go away entirely. It’s such a toxic community of people. If you are not aligned with their doctrine you get spammed with downvotes and some of the most hateful replies I’ve ever seen. You report it but it stays there.
- InCityDreams 3y agoAnd still you return?
- throwaway2990 3y agoNo. I haven’t been there since 2021. It got worse during covid so I just deleted my account.
- mrweasel 3y agoThe users on Imgur is incredibly protective of their little cornor of the internet, but as you point out also extremely toxic, making even Reddit look half-way decent. I wouldn't recommend Imgur, sure some of the images and comments are fun and lighthearted, overall though, it has become a dark place. The frontpage is overrun by US politics, everyone is depressed, have some sort of mental disorder or disability and work minimum wage jobs. When Imgur was created I doubt that much thought went into why it's so difficult to build a good image hosting site. There's no profit in it. You need to add a social layer, or some other hook that make people stick around and watch ads. As storage and bandwidth has become cheaper, it makes sense that a site like Reddit just went ahead and did their own image hosting. Imgur has become disconnected and needs to find its own audience, which is has, it just so happens that their audience is terrible. 4chan looks downright cheerful compared to Imgur. Maybe they managed to carve out a niche? One that could be profitable if they get rid of X amount of storage, hence deleting NSFW content and older anonymous uploads.
- dataengineer56 3y agoI'll never understand people who actively use Imgur as if it's a social network.
- adad95 3y agoWith this change and Reddit removing NSFW content from the API, at the same time. I think both sites will be way less used. And another competitor will appear quickly. Look like they want became irrelevant very quickly. Tumblr and Only Fans tried and falied. one became forgotten and the other had to say sorry was a mistake.
- AITree 3y agoI believe that companies have a responsibility to create safe and welcoming environments for all users.
- renewiltord 3y agoI think it wouldn't be too hard to offer the image hosting but I'd be deathly afraid of moderation: imagine someone uses my product to host CSAM. That's horrifying. So it sounds like a hard problem to deal with.
- stametseater 3y agoImgur sucks, viewing images on their website requires whitelisting an obnoxious amount of javascript that simply shouldn't be necessary to view an image. They weren't always so bad, but what's past is past. If this move kills their business I won't be sad to see them go.
- Madmallard 3y agoRIP imgur Tech companies deciding to not allow any vulgar content is seriously a bizarre "value" to uphold in the age of the internet.
- rektide 3y agoHow much do we wager this is an internal decision, versus how much do we think this is a result of external forces? Have various assorted governments just made life a total pain I the ass, or is Imgur no longer interested in being the image server of the internet? This feels like yet another recent chilling case where Barlow's Declaration of Independence of Cyberspace should probably be rolled out. Where shitty governmental fear mongering trash again just makes being online in authentic & dirty ways harder & harder.
- aestetix 3y agoTo test this in practice, I just went ahead and uploaded an image of Michaelangelo's "David" which has been a topic of recent controversy. https://imgur.com/a/aTiH5lk https://imgur.com/a/aTiH5lk Let's see if that violates these new "guidelines."
- red_trumpet 3y agoDid you post that as a public post (listed on the front page)? I think it is possible to read the ToS in such a way, that they only apply to public posts.
- aestetix 3y agoNope, that requires an account, and I have no interest in letting imgur have more info on me than they need :)
- pests 3y agoThe guidelines have an example of a nude art statue and says it is okay.
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- the-dude 3y agoNo bullshit image hosting from https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=stavros https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=stavros : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21627714 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21627714
- pmoriarty 3y agopaid-only no thanks
- celsoazevedo 3y agoI don't have an opinion about the service, but that's why image hosts always die or end up like this. They have ongoing costs and almost no one wants to pay.
- rabuse 3y agoThe best option for that would be a more broad platform generating its revenue from multiple means, and then offering an image hosting service as a loss leader.
- pmoriarty 3y agoAren't there some distributed, peer-to-peer networks that could be used for this purpose?
- celsoazevedo 3y agoI'm not aware of anything that is reliable and works directly on the browser that doesn't cost money to run.
- Dylan16807 3y agoIf the images go away when the user stops paying it doesn't solve the problem very well, though. If I expect a typical image to be 1MB and get 10000 views, I could prepay 30 years of cloudflare R2 hosting with one penny. That's the kind of model I'd want when ads aren't an option. But it's really hard to build something around microtransactions like that.
- thinkingemote 3y agoImgur stopped existing in 2021 when it was sold to Medialab AI. Medialab also own kik and whisper, genius and worldstarhiphop. That's the cause for these changes.
- yreg 3y agoIsn't worldstar full of controversial content, like streetfights?
- benj111 3y ago>No content that condones illegal ... activity How does that work? Illegal where I live, illegal where they are or illegal anywhere? Further if I'm pro abortion, is that condoning 'illegal activity'? What about smoking weed, which is illegal in certain states but legal in others. If I talk about crossing the road not at a crossing which is legal in my country, would that be banned? Do I now need to read up on US business law to find out where they're incorporated and or where the servers are sited to find the applicable state to then find the applicable laws? Are their moderators also going to be trained to this standard?
- yreg 3y agoHow far have we come from "My Gift to Reddit: I created an image hosting service that doesn't suck."[0] I suppose it has lasted longer than anyone expected. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7zlyd/my_gift_to_reddit_i_created_an_image_hosting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7zlyd/my_gift_t...
- TazeTSchnitzel 3y agoIt was cynical from the beginning: the author made the same post on Digg also, it just didn't take off there.
- ttrrooppeerr 3y agoDo you have link/source?
- frankacter 3y agoThis is an often repeated myth, from the creator: >"Yes I did" [create it for Reddit] There's some conspiracy theory going around that I actually created it for Digg. So, here's what happened. I posted it on Reddit, Digg, and a couple forums that I frequent at the same time. The server actually ended up going down and the Reddit post got spammed with "It doesn't work!!". So, I deleted the thread, corrected the problems, and posted it again the next day. I didn't bother deleting the Digg thread; that's why it has a timestamp one day before the Reddit one. I'll try to update this with links to whatever proof I have, but I don't have time right now. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9tlwi/im_the_imgur_guy_ama/c0edmp6/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9tlwi/im_the_imgur_gu...
- zamadatix 3y agoYou seem to confirm what GP was saying. The myth seems to be a separate discussion about which was first.
- glanzwulf 3y agoTime for someone to create an image hosting service that doesn't suck part 2?
- Laaas 3y agoYou'd think capitalism would lead platforms to support porn.
- yreg 3y agoThis is what I don't get. Having tons of NSFW content makes me want to invest in reddit/imgur once they do an IPO much more than if they get rid of it.
- red_trumpet 3y ago> These rules apply to all community aspects on Imgur: all parts of a public post (title, description, tags, visual content), comments, links, and messages. Does this also apply to posts which are not posted as "public", but can be shared as a link?
- 2-718-281-828 3y agowhat is the motivation behind this step?
- lnauta 3y agoWow, I remember reading the post of the creator of imgur that he made it specifically for reddit use. Then at some point they made it into this social platform and removed directly linking to images (or at least made it quite hard). Now this, interesting to see a site from day 1 coming up and (probably) going down.
- ziml77 3y agoI don't know if any evidence exists anymore to properly back this up, but I've heard that the creator first went to Digg with the same claim about making it for them.
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- knallfrosch 3y agoUnrestricted image hosting with direct linking is a crucial tool for the internet, but not a business model.
- red_admiral 3y agoI wonder what triggered this - legislation? Their payment processor? The ad network they get their revenue from? In my experience, this kind of change happens much more often for money reasons than for moral reasons. I think Tumblr's TOS change happened because their credit card processor became uncomfortable at them being essentially "in the porn business" - and indeed, seeing how much smaller Tumblr's business was post-change, the card processor was technically right.
- w4ffl35 3y agoprobably AI porn fears
- AlecSchueler 3y agoAnd more and more legislation against revenge porn. There have been so many subreddits dedicated to non consensual intimate media and most of their content was hosted on imgur. People are framing this as an attack against sex but in reality our automated moderation tools can't know if consent sas given by the models and human moderation is too costly. The rise of AI porn is giving more power than ever to people who wish to hurt women. There are still plenty of places to share NSFW content but they're moving towards models of consent verification like PornHub.
- w4ffl35 3y ago> AI porn is giving more power than ever to people who wish to hurt women How do fake nudes hurt women? edit: i'm guessing you mean using someone's likeness without their consent to create porn, something that was easily doable prior to AI. AI "gives those people more power" as you put it, but it also gives defenders more power. AI safetyism (aka pantywaistism) is a joke.
- AlecSchueler 3y agoYes, I have already seen women be victims of these false-likeness AI pornographies. I know that HN sits in a safe bubble and will gloss over the dangers because it's "not real" but the damage done is real. The effects on the victims are real and have real world consequences for these people which can potentially be fatal. I know that technology is often a double edged sword. I can be in favour of auto-transport, for example, while still supporting research into seat belts and crumple zones. > AI safetyism (aka pantywaistism) is a joke. I don't know what these are, sorry. I feel like I'm making a valid point based on my observations and you're attempting to discredit that by associating my view with more extreme groups.
- Eumenes 3y agoGood, this site is full of content for children, the right move by Imgur
- kchoudhu 3y agoHold up, is anyone hosting anything other than non-nsfw content on imgur?
- InCityDreams 3y agoI'm kinda upset i never ever saw nsfw ever on imgur. But then i generally link-in from reddit and that's that. I didn't even think of it as a 'thing'.