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Electricity Prices by Country
- pipo234 4y agoWhat good is $0/kWh in Sudan, Ethiopia, .. if most people don't have access?
- themitigating 4y agoIt's not useful but this isn't article arguing about what countey has the "best" electricity. It's just data about prices
- ttoinou 4y agoHis remark is useful. If there is no electricity available, there is no price. You can also ban selling bread for above 1 cent and mark on your country stat your bread is 1 cent.. But nobody has bread
- andsoitis 4y agoThe article also goes into availability, showing the African content with poor coverage.
- ChumpGPT 4y agoMy electricity is rather cheap here in the US(Dallas). It's averages around 7-8 cents a KwH. The problem I face is delivery and b.s surcharges. It can easily double my rate to around 15-16 cents a KwH.
- Johnny555 4y agoIsn’t that the case everywhere (in the USA)? Wholesale electricity is cheap, but you’ve gotta pay to have it delivered. If you’re a big enough customer (like a data center), you can pay near wholesale rate by building your own infrastructure to a large substation, but then you’re paying to maintain that infrastructure.
- simfree 4y agoSome areas like Kelso and Longview, WA have 4 cent per kWh delivered rates, but your paying a meter base charge of tens of dollars a month, which makes low usage households pay more to remain grid connected. The marginal cost of generating electricity is different than the fixed price of maintaining the local grid infrastructure serving your home
- lh7777 4y agoI'm in WA, and my rate per kWh isn't quite that low, but the fixed "customer charge" is high enough that it ends up being about half of my total bill on average. I get that the utility needs income to maintain the infrastructure, which is particularly expensive per customer in rural areas. What I don't like about this setup is that there's little incentive to conserve energy, invest in solar, etc. On the plus side, whenever I get an electric car, my "gas" will be practically free.
- arbuge 4y agoI would hope the total figure is in fact what the article is comparing, not a subset of it.
- sandworm101 4y agoPercentage of a daily wage? What is the basis for these numbers? I am in an extraordinarily cheap part of North America in terms of electricity, but I can say that my costs are well above the 1-2% of my daily wage. And that is only the costs I pay in my monthly bill. Lord knows how much electricity I also burn at work doing my job.
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- martinald 4y agoNot accurate at all. UK consumers are paying approximately 34p/kWh - 43c/kWh. Nearly twice what it says here.
- KomoD 4y agoBecause these are not consumer prices, they're datacenter prices.
- martinald 4y agoBusiness energy prices are even higher in the UK, because the government applies a price cap to retail prices but not commercial ones. Before some of the subsidies kicked in I heard of £1/kWh being common for commercial renewals, often requiring 5 figure deposits for many industries as the suppliers were worried about businesses going under and not paying their bills.
- yuuuuyu 4y agoNot accurate for Sweden either. Pricing in Stockholm region last weeks was 1/2 to 1/3 of what's in the list.
- TrackerFF 4y agoNorway (where I'm from) is somewhat complex, because the country is divided into five regions, and the northernmost regions have poor transfer capability to the southern regions. The southern regions, however, have quite good transfer capacity to export (to European countries), so those regions often have to compete with export prices. What this means, is that the prices can vary significantly withing Norway. While we up in northern Norway paid around $0.0005 / kWh last summer, my relatives south paid something like $0.3-$0.4 / kWh. It's been a pretty big deal for the past years. Our energy production is almost purely hydro, with wind and solar as very distant second and third source. All our LNG is more or less sold off to Europe.
- sokoloff 4y ago> we up in northern Norway paid around $0.0005 / kWh last summer Is that figure accurate? It’s so crazy low that it would lead me to expect the area to be saturated with aluminum smelting and other high electric consuming operations.
- yuuuuyu 4y agoTransport issues extend to goods too.
- anonymouskimmer 4y agoHydroelectric power is pretty stable as a baseline but can only scale so much. At some point higher-cost energy would have to come online to meet demand, at which point the savings would be gone.
- TrackerFF 4y agoFun fact: We've had negative prices, a couple of times. In which case you actually get money for the electricity you use. But those are very rare moments, and only last a couple of hours her and there. Not unique to Norway, but basically what happens is that there's huge amounts of downpour, coupled with little demand / usage - typically something you see in periods where people are away, and if the weather conditions are there.
- KomoD 4y agoThis is for Datacenters? > data-center/electricity-prices-by-country/
- marcodiego 4y agoPrices of anything "by country" should be normalized by local average income. Ideally, for a fairer comparison, a good metric is "how many hours of work of a median citizen for each unity" of such a good. EDIT: article does something similar to that: https://www.electricrate.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/countries-with-free-electricity-1024x905.png https://www.electricrate.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/coun...
- bagels 4y agoThat speaks to affordability, but not to why some countries just don't seem to be able to do it effectively, costing an order of magnitude more in some countries than others.
- makeitdouble 4y agoTBF price doesn't work well as a proxy for actual cost or efficiency either. Many countries have price caps set by the government, subsidies to keep electricity affordable, or weirder/more complicated schemes to finance energy production.
- nonethewiser 4y agoThe original article has some of those figures.
- yuuuuyu 4y agoThis is overly simplified. A few aspects come to mind that have huge effects, in orders of magnitude: * Price differences during day/week/seasons. Cold day? Electricity can be 2-3x higher than the day before. Lots of sun/wind? Price plummets. ... * Price differences in regions. Norway, Sweden, Germany, those alone have huge differences in electricity prices depending on where you live. * Pricing relative to economic output, i.e. GDP. Or household income. There are surely more. This really strikes me as a propaganda page as the data is too oversimplified to be usefulfor real discussions, but enough to point to it to further an agenda. ("See, we shouldn't have turned off those nuclear plants, see how expensive electricityhas become!")
- secretsatan 4y agoThey do have a graph of proportion of income spent on electricity. I see Switzerland is near the top, but as you mention, there is quite a lot of variation by kanton here. Oth, one of the first i noticed moving here was how much cheaper electricity was compared to the uk
- jandrese 4y agoIt's true is pretty much every large country that the rates will vary by region. The rates vary by geography and since long distance transmission lines are expensive and limited in capacity the prices will always be somewhat local. If you live in an area with lots of water flowing down mountains or shallow magma you probably have cheap power. If you live on an island your power is probably from natural gas or even diesel shipped in from overseas and costs a relative fortune.
- secretsatan 4y agoAs an aside, not sure of the exact year, sometime around the 2000s, uk made it possible to buy your electricity from any provider in the uk, despite living in cambridge, i chose swalec(wales), and they didn’t bill me for 2 years and then i changed address, in that case, uk was ridiculously cheap
- j0ba 4y agoMaybe it strikes you as propaganda because you disagree with what it seems to indicate? Why would it matter if people in Berlin pay more than people in Munich, or vice versa? Energy policies are generally national, so national data is the correct level of granularity. Most of your criticisms seem to stem from a lack of understanding as to what the word "average" means.
- Scoundreller 4y agoAnother complication with these numbers are the delivery/connection fees. In Toronto, my marginal rate is probably around US$0.08/kWh, but my usage in a double occupancy condo unit with the connection fee works out to US$0.22/kWh on average. One would hope that this just means I’m cross-subsidizing heavier users but in reality my metering provider is owned by a partnership in Bermuda. In reality, some ??? shareholders are raking it in on a poorly planned out government “green” project to meter small users.
- simfree 4y agoIs that the base daily meter rate or monthly meter rate causing the extra $0.14/kwh cost? Sounds like your using very little power. Local grids are generally a fixed cost to maintain, if there was no base charge your neighbors would be subsidizing the maintenance of your connection to the grid. Separating fixed cost from marginal cost is the equitable solution in this case.
- Scoundreller 4y agoYes, CAD$17 for the 190kwh itself and CAD$39 in fixed charges. hot water is central and heat is effectively central, so low direct usage (so why meter) but not too far off the average for my building. There are about a hundred units each paying a separate fixed cost in one building. Anyone that thinks the cost/unit is the same to light up 100 detached homes is crazy. But that’s how the government regulated the billing (guess what kind of housing the decision makers live in?), which is why the Bermudan partnership jumped in to collect the distribution fees instead of letting the local utility collect that easy money.
- simfree 4y agoDamn, your using very little power. All power use under thr first 500kWh is discounted here in Seattle, your not even burning half that in a month. Sounds like you live in an apartment or condo tho with other heavy power draws like heat offloaded, which is rare these days. Most rental buildings here got rid of central heat and left each tenant to fend for themselves with inefficient baseboard electric heat.
- dagurp 4y agoIceland can't be right. It should be about $0.06
- jandrese 4y agoIs the price in Germany so high because they made the somewhat rash decision to shut down their existing nuclear generation and move back to fossil fuels? Given their location in the world I'm guessing both solar and wind are marginal producers.
- luckylion 4y agoWind is strong in Northern Germany. It's mostly taxes and taxes being taxed additionally by other taxes, a good chunk of that was/is for transitioning to green energy and subsidizing home solar.
- tfourb 4y agoThe EEG (surcharge on the electricity bill to subsidize the installation of both commercial and private wind and solar generation) has been phased out as of 1. July 2022. According to [1], about 75% of the price per kw/h in Germany is shared between the producer of the electricity and the owner of the network. As the market for electricity is completely liberalized, those can be any of hundreds of companies. The rest, about 25% are various taxes and surcharges. While renewable energies are responsible for some of the above average electricity prices in Germany, the recent price surge is mostly due to the high price of natural gas. Germany electricity prices are fixed by a system of auctions, where the demand at any given point in time is fulfilled by the producers willing to charge the least amount of money, but the actual price is set by the most expensive bid that is still required to satisfy demand. Due to the peculiarities of the electricity markets, this often ends up being natural gas power stations and natural gas has become crazy expensive due to Russia cutting off exports to Germany. [1] https://strom-report.com/strompreise/strompreis-zusammensetzung/ https://strom-report.com/strompreise/strompreis-zusammensetz...
- luckylion 4y agoThank you for the correction, I wasn't up to date with my information. The price hasn't budged -- is that because it only reflects changes in gas pricing long-term, or is someone else pocketing the part the state used to take?
- teruakohatu 4y agoThe actual data comes from here: https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ It bundles distribution and electricity prices. In NZ the wholesale price is the same accross the country (marginal pricing), but different distribution companies charge different rates.
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- DonaldFisk 4y ago> Other fossil fuels are coal, petroleum, natural gas, propane, and uranium. Uranium?
- yodsanklai 4y agoFrance seems to be in a sweet spot: low electricity price and low CO2 emissions, thanks to nuclear power?
- not_the_fda 4y agoYes, France gets 70% of its electricity form nuclear power.
- pyrale 4y agoThanks to that indeed, but the future doesn't look great, as little has been done in the last 20 years. So France will have to do a lot in the next decade, and that may change our prices.
- slashdev 4y agoThere's a important lesson about using nuclear power as an energy source in there. Contrast that with Germany which is shuttering their nuclear power plants in favor of renewables.
- pydry 4y agoThere is no such lesson. EDF is going bankrupt, France is spending billions trying to replace reactors aging out and about 20% or so of the ~70 billion decommissioning costs are funded. The important lesson here should be that retail prices != prices.
- eloff 4y agoI stand corrected!
- uecker 4y agoSee my comment to parent. There is an important lesson about not being misled by looking at the wrong data.
- uecker 4y agoHousehold prices are meaningless in this context, because they are artificially kept low in France and sometimes are affected by taxes and fees elsewhere. Here are spot marked prices: https://tradingeconomics.com/france/electricity-price https://tradingeconomics.com/france/electricity-price https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/electricity-price https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/electricity-price
- fulafel 4y agoAre these end user consumer prices including taxes and transmission?
- toyg 4y agoSeem to be for businesses. Definitely doesn't tally with average consumer prices i recently observed in UK (higher than what I see here) and Italy (much lower).
- tfourb 4y agoIf you are asking yourself why prices in Germany are so high: It's mostly the price surge of natural gas after Russia cut off deliveries in retaliation to sanctions in the wake of the war against Ukraine. About 50% of the price per kw/h in Germany is set by an auction system. Electricity providers are bidding at any given point in time to provide energy for the grid. The lowest price per kw/h wins. BUT: because no one provider can satisfy the demand on their own, all bids that are necessary to satisfy the demand are considered and the final price is set by the most expensive bid within that range. So even if a wind turbine can provide energy at 9 cents per kw/h, if current demand requires electricity from a natural gas plant at 20 cents per kw/h, all providers within the bracket will get those 20 cents per kw/h from the consumer. Natural gas has become quite expensive for the past year in Germany and for various reasons, natural gas plants are often the marginal providers in the German network. The other half of the final price is split about 50/50 between the owners of the network and taxes.
- mpreda 4y agoTo think there were nuclear reactors already built and running perfectly fine in Germany. That were closed down presumably for ecological reasons. Burning coal and natural gas instead.
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoNot just any coal, but lignite, the nastiest, dirtiest kind of coal. Definitely greener than nuclear. /s
- this_user 4y agohttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Energymix_Germany.svg/2560px-Energymix_Germany.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/En...
- jenadine 4y agoImagine if they had been growing the nuclear instead of reducing it, it would have allowed to almost get rid of lignite and coal. Instead it is still a portion. (And solar and wind being intermittent you can't just have that)
- wslh 4y agoThey forgot to mention Argentina, also subsidized electricity for the rich and the poor. BTW, now one of the best locations for remote workers (economically and living standard). In some lists Buenos Aires is first [1]. [1] https://nomadlist.com/ https://nomadlist.com/
- cjensen 4y ago$0.14/kWh in the US? My goodness. It's double that in the Bay Area. There's a reason I invested in solar for my home. Also the map of low-carbon countries looks a lot like a map of where it rains a lot.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago$0.05 to $0.10 per kWh in many parts of OR/WA.
- GloriousKoji 4y agoYeah that makes me question the data gathering methodology. The raw electricity cost in the Bay Area is about $0.14/kwh but the delivery cost is nearly 1.5x that so you're actually paying something closer to $0.39/kwh
- nonethewiser 4y agoBut surely you don’t expect the US average to necessarily reflect 1 datapoint? And likely outlier, at that.
- grogenaut 4y agoI pay .08 for first part and then .11 thereafter in seattle
- mpsprd 4y agoI'm incredibly lucky to live in Quebec, Canada: 100% green hydro power at low rates. Tarif D has the first 40kwh at 6.509 Canadian cent/kWh, then 10.041 [0] It's also state owned. From what I've seen it's the best combo of green and pricing in the world. 0: https://www.hydroquebec.com/residential/customer-space/rates/rate-d.html https://www.hydroquebec.com/residential/customer-space/rates...
- panarky 4y agoSame in Seattle. 100% hydro. Zero emissions. 0.11 USD per kWh. Owned and operated by the City of Seattle, not a profit-making corporation.
- sefrost 4y ago0.96 CAD per kWh just up the road here in BC. I moved to Canada from the UK and it’s still unbelievable to me how much cheaper energy is here. If you’re renting a place you don’t even pay for gas. I have unlimited gas in my apartment all year round! I’ve never been so warm in my life. I would highly recommend any young Brits reading this to seriously look at making the move. It’s amazing out here.
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- jacquesm 4y ago0.96 $CAD doesn't seem all that cheap.
- haxxorfreak 4y agoI think they made an error converting cents to dollars, I just checked BC Hydro's rate and it's actually $0.0959 CAD (9.59 cents) for the first 1,350 kWh in a month (Step 1) then raises to $0.1422 after that (Step 2).[1] [1] https://app.bchydro.com/accounts-billing/rates-energy-use/electricity-rates/residential-rates.html https://app.bchydro.com/accounts-billing/rates-energy-use/el...
- perardi 4y agoOne little thing that stuck out: The USA leads the way in terms of household electric usage in the world – an average US household consumes approximately 975 kilowatt-hours of electricity each month, three times more than for example the United Kingdom. Which got me wondering how big US domiciles are versus those in the UK. Turns out: lot of big-ass houses here in the US. https://shrinkthatfootprint.com/how-big-is-a-house/ https://shrinkthatfootprint.com/how-big-is-a-house/ 2164 sq. ft vs. 818 sq. ft Which sure would explain that difference.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoI am curious about quintile statistics, or at least median. Domiciles are definitely bigger in the US, but I bet the mean average is dragged way up by the top 20% of houses. Air conditioning also uses the most electricity in a house, and the US has a lot more populated hot and humid regions than many European countries.
- rippercushions 4y agoNope, electric heating uses much more power than air conditioning.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoI guess that is true, I just imagined so few domiciles actually use electric heating, or use electric heating in places that do not get really cold, that it is not a significant factor in national statistics of electricity usage. Seems like 40% of US households use electric heating though, which is way more than I expected. https://www.census.gov/acs/www/about/why-we-ask-each-question/heating/ https://www.census.gov/acs/www/about/why-we-ask-each-questio... Edit: fixed link
- hattmall 4y agoMost of that is going to be heat pumps in moderate climates.
- mydogmuppet 4y agoWhere oh where do these figures come from? UK. I pay toda, domestic tariff, USD 0.42 per pKWh. Plus 5% Vat. That ignores the Standing Charge of USD 0. 56 per day connection charges, plus Vat at 5%.
- jpollock 4y agoYeah, the table in the article doesn't match the dataset they're quoting from. The dataset they're supposedly using is: https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ Which has UK: USD 0.413 for households, 0.338 for businesses. Neither of which have any relationship with 0.27.
- sintezcs 4y agoIt’s 0.04-0.08$ per kWh in Russia
- wand3r 4y ago> Venezuela - $0.00? It doesn't really expand on this either. It only says they have tons of natural energy resources. So when they say 0, do they just mean average people just dont have to pay?
- gtirloni 4y agoThere are many sources online saying it's not $0.00 so I don't know where that number comes from.
- dahwolf 4y agoThe article seems to claim a source of data, yet then goes on to publish conclusions wildly inconsistent with that source data. In the Netherlands we currently pay on average ~0.40€/kwH which is about $44. That should earn it a place at the top of countries paying the most. According to the article, it's not even in the top 20. And that's me low balling the 0.40€/kwH as for over a year now it has fluctuated between that and > 0.60€. And it's with energy taxes temporarily lowered, it would have been even higher otherwise.
- hgsgm 4y agoThis ripped off from https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/
- g42gregory 4y agoInteresting site, with a great treasure trove of information. If you are looking for energy intensive activities, including manufacturing and data-centers, this looks like a great place to start. One thing stood out for me, for the top 2 economies in the world, US and China. The energy price for US businesses = 0.150 $/kWh. The energy price for Chinese businesses = 0.093 $/kWh. I was kind of expecting 20-30% discount on energy in China. Factually, it looks like a 30+% discount. This, together with regulatory and labor laws, will make it impossible for the US to compete in manufacturing, and possibly in long-term large-scale data-center sectors.
- robomartin 4y agoFor some reason publications about energy, including Tesla's Master Plan 3, insist on using averages to describe the entire sample. I think I can say this is universally understood to be a bad practice in statistics. The reason is simple: Central tendency indicators do not deliver accurate results when used in this fashion. Here's an example. Current published rates in our area: https://i.imgur.com/CTiCLtP.png https://i.imgur.com/CTiCLtP.png The article quotes $0.135 average household rate for the US. This is 100% meaningless. Even worse, I have no clue how (or why) one would take the numbers from our current rate (linked picture), calculate some kind of an average and then apply it to every calculation about power and energy. Again, meaningless and also inaccurate. Regrettably, it seems lots of decisions are being made based on these averages of averages of averages. Things like "The average American drives <x> miles per day", etc. I get it. Slicing data into smaller clusters makes computation and conclusions far more complex. This is hard to communicate, particularly to a non-technical public. I guess I can look the other way when it involves certain types of content. However, something like Tesla's Master Plan ought to be required to use more nuanced and technically accurate methodology before being taken seriously. As I have highlighted in another thread, the Master Plan says nothing whatsoever about only using solar vs. only using wind at grid scale. Yes, both require storage. However, quick analysis easily shows that there might be a serious question to ask about whether solar makes sense at all (at grid scale, it makes sense on rooftops). For example, an area equivalent to 1 Hawaii for wind power would require TWELVE Hawaii's of solar. Again, some of the analysis suffers from grabbing onto averages and universally applying them to every data point, which is wrong.
- jacquesm 4y agoThe source is much more complete: https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/
- rgmerk 4y agoI wouldn’t take the figures quoted in this article seriously. I pay the equivalent of 13c/KWh in Australia, and that’s after recent price rises (thanks Vlad).
- hayyyyydos 4y ago> I pay the equivalent of 13c/KWh in Australia How??
- rgmerk 4y agoI live in Victoria. Fed my usage data to the Victorian government’s comparison site. [1] Switched to the cheapest offer, which was GloBird Energy. Went to their website, discovered a small further discount on my gas was available so switched that over as well. Took maybe 5 minutes, total. Took my free $250 from the VIC Government for using their site (yes this is a stupid election bribe but you’d have to be crazy not to take it - you don’t have to switch suppliers if you don’t want to, just run the comparison). [1] https://compare.energy.vic.gov.au/ https://compare.energy.vic.gov.au/
- jaimex2 4y agoYou need to average in the supply charge. Our providers load that up to get around solar feed in tariffs. The rates we pay are disgusting given we import none of it and are one of the worlds largest exporters. (Gas and Coal) Tasmania is 100% renewable and they pay as much as anyone else. We have a mining lobby problem.
- rgmerk 4y agoTrue, but even taking the supply charge into account you still get nowhere near 26 US cents a kilowatt unless you’re getting 90% of your energy from solar. (Note to Americans - we pay maybe a quarter as much as you do for rooftop solar, not taking subsidies into account, so solar is super popular even with people who can’t otherwise stand “greenies”). And yes, we have a mining lobby problem.
- sologoub 4y agoThis feels like a bit of a BS comparison. Consumers pay many other fees beyond wholesale electricity to actually get power. It would be much more useful to compare what actual households pay (for US by state probably rather than a meaningless average). For example, Edison in SoCal publishes these rates: https://www.sce.com/residential/rates/Time-Of-Use-Residential-Rate-Plans https://www.sce.com/residential/rates/Time-Of-Use-Residentia... ($0.36 off peak and up to $0.57 peak usage) PG&E: https://www.pge.com/pge_global/common/pdfs/rate-plans/how-rates-work/Residential-Rates-Plan-Pricing.pdf https://www.pge.com/pge_global/common/pdfs/rate-plans/how-ra... ($0.36 off peak and $0.50 peak) When comparing these to the German $0.39, it doesn’t sound all that bad and at least they are dealing with a gas price spike because of a war. What’s Californias excuse? Also, many California residents have to deal with the stupid “public safety power shutoffs” because of unmaintained/poorly designed aging infrastructure that causes wildfires.
- Imagenuity 4y agoIn a word, deregulation. If you live in one of the 35 states that separated generation, transmission and retail distribution, your bill is about $40 a month more. The idea was to create competition for power generation to lower prices. What actually happened was surge pricing and higher prices. "Average retail electricity costs in the 35 states that have partly or entirely broken apart the generation, transmission and retail distribution of energy into separate businesses have risen faster than rates in the 15 states that have not deregulated..." source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/business/energy-environment/electricity-deregulation-energy-markets.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/business/energy-environme... One of the many reasons I decided to move out of California was because of these thinly veiled cash grabs in the guise of benefit to the consumer.
- lhopki01 4y agoWhat I often notice when reading articles like this is people aren't aware of how electricity is priced in different countries. When I was in the UK I had one headline figure of price per KWh that covered everything. This seems to apply in a few European countries too. In Canada however I have a price per KWh and then about 7 or so different extra charges on my bill (local access fees, trasmissions charges, rate riders, distribution charges, administrative fees, etc). All the charges seems to be variable but not necessarily exactly variable based on my KWh usage. From what I've seen this seems to be happen in the United States too. So whenenver I see someone say oh I pay 10c per KWh I don't know if that's just the posted figure or the actual amount they pay per KWh if they took their entire bill and divided it by their usage.
- laurencerowe 4y agoIt’s been a while since I emigrated but my UK bill used to include a daily “standing charge” on top of the per kWh rate. My bill in the US does split things up between the supplier (who buys the energy) and the infrastructure operator. By US standards it’s not too complex. I definitely miss the EU rule on advertised prices being all inclusive though.
- Symbiote 4y agoIt's probably easy to overlook the fixed, standing charge on a UK electricity bill as it's fairly small, around £10/month. There are a few tariffs without a standing charge, but I think that would be useful mostly for a holiday home, second home etc.
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- ThatPlayer 4y agoAround here, prices even change depending on time of use. Peak hours start at 4pm when people start getting off work, and solar production starts going down. My price at peak demand is more than double my off-peak prices.
- amatecha 4y agoToo bad about that "share of electricity from low-carbon sources" chart[0] -- using a gradient of the same color makes it really hard to see the difference between, say, 80% and 100% when looking at the map... Would have been nice if they used a color palette with more contrast! [0] https://www.electricrate.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/electricity-prices-by-country.jpg https://www.electricrate.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/elec...
- dave333 4y agoAll this electricity consumption is going to become very very cheap in the near future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05ltgeNx7es https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05ltgeNx7es
- pythonguython 4y agoI don’t know anything about hydrinos, so I’m not qualified to evaluate your link myself. However, the Wikipedia page [1] has nothing good to say about that company. That video makes all my scam alarms go off. [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brilliant_Light_Power https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brilliant_Light_Power
- dave333 4y agoThat wikipedia page is rigidly policed by skeptics that pointedly ignore any and all progress especially over the last 10 years. You have to review their progress with an independent mind and evaluate what they have achieved on its merits.
- pythonguython 4y agoI don’t work in physics, nor do I have a physics degree, therefore I can’t evaluate the theory of their claim. I can’t find any reputable physicists backing the claim that hydrinos exist, in fact they all say that the hydrino state simply isn’t possible. I’d believe in this theory if they actually proved that they’ve generated all this energy or reputable physicists have backed hydrinos. Believing in it otherwise would just be faith.
- GrumpyNl 4y agoThere is a difference in the data set and the graph, in the dataset the Netherlands are 7 and in the graph its not even showing.
- amai 4y agoLiving in Germany I can only say electricity prices are my least concern. Apart from the high costs for social insurances, the rise of rents and housing prices is what really cuts into your budget in Germany.
- midasuni 4y agoRents increase to suck all money out of the system. The more you are productive and the more you earn the more the rentiers will charge. Unless supply is higher than all possible demand that will always be the way, but people won’t actually tackle this because some old dear in a 5 bed house they inherited 50 years ago might have to pay their way
- concordDance 4y agoThis is why standard of living didn't increase once women entered the workforce en mass.
- badpun 4y agoAre you saying we have the same standard you living as 80 years ago?
- concordDance 4y agoThe rise didn't take place I 1940, it was a gradual thing topping off around 1990. And yes, standard of living (in terms of how much house, doctor time, education time and plane you can afford and how much free time you have) has gone somewhat down since 1960.
- badpun 4y agoAre planes now more expensive than in 1960?? At least in Europe, flights were very expensive until roughly the end of XX century. Regarding doctor time, it's a wrong metric - it doesn't matter how much time your doctor spends with you, what matters is if they get you better. And there's been a massive improvement in care and results over the past 6 decades. Just the progress in imaging techniques is incredible. Back in 1960 we pretty much only had X-rays, which are good for bones and not much else (I don't think even the ultra-sonogram was used back then). Whereas nowadays, we have these multi-million sci-fi machines, which allow the doctors to see the soft tissues inside the body in fine detail.
- Havoc 4y agoUK rate looks odd. I'm paying way more - effectively top of the charts 44 usd c/unit Is this old data?
- Manjuuu 4y agoThe prices in that table are different from the one in the source they cite: https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/electricity_prices/ As expected, with the correct numbers, countries without gas, oil or nuclear have comparable electricity cost(they buy it from the french, etc...).
- pshirshov 4y agoThat's kinda bullshit. It's about 43 euro cents for consumers in Ireland at the moment.
- ifdefdebug 4y agoNot sure how those prices are calculated. I for my part pay less than half that price for my home in Portugal.
- am_lu 4y agoArticle is a bit old or the prices got a lot higher in last couple of months. Just had a look at my recent electricity bill. 35 UK pence per kWh that will be like 43 US cents at current rate. (not 27 like on the list) Not sure what it costs in Germany at the moment but that is well above 39 cents making Germany on top the list.
- trashface 4y agoIn the US I suspect cheap and low quality appliances are source of a lot of wasted energy, which are the default in most new construction. My refrigerator runs ~75% of the time these days, despite my attempts to clean its exterior components. Its a pretty cheap model my home builder put in. I suspect it was intended to simply fail years ago and get replaced with typical family of 3-4 usage. But since I live by myself, my usage of it was not quite hard enough to trigger that failure. So it keeps on churning away, burning up the juice.