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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

• sli 4y ago
  > Buyers of GM EVs with the new systems will get access to Google Maps and Google Assistant, a voice command system, at no extra cost for eight years, GM said. The lede is buried as usual.
  • stirlo 4y ago
    So what’s currently free on both CarPlay and Android auto will be chargeable after 8 years? I’m buying another brand that doesn’t pull this shit.
    • agloe_dreams 4y ago
      These articles are paraphrasing all over the place. This line is about 8 years of free cellular data, not app "Access". Point still stands but yeah.
• puma_ambit 4y ago
  Wow, yeah not gonna buy that new GMC Yukon now.
• DemiGuru 4y ago
  Very shortsighted IMHO. By keeping both they will be broadening the appeal of their cars to a larger segment of the market. All in favor of a subscription model?? "Buyers of GM EVs with the new systems will get access to Google Maps and Google Assistant, a voice command system, at no extra cost for eight years, GM said. GM said the future infotainment systems will offer applications such as Spotify's music service, Audible and other services that many drivers now access via smartphones"
  • criddell 4y ago
    I think they would argue the shortsighted plan would be to stick with CarPlay and Android Auto because they are here now and work. The long term plan is to control in-car hardware/software and find ways to generate revenue from it. Maybe the real money is in services? It's possible they may sell fewer cars, but make more money overall. The article says they think they can generate $20-$25 billion of subscription revenue by 2030. That's the revenue from about 400,000 vehicles. If their vehicle sales drop by less than 17%, they win.
    • danaris 4y ago
      This is the kind of user-hostile, maximum-profit-at-all-costs thinking that is absolutely ruining various aspects of our society, economy, etc. Just like streaming services, where it's absolutely clear that people are happy to pay a reasonable monthly subscription for on-demand access to all the shows they like (see: Netflix several years ago), but the content owners are just horrified at the thought that they don't get both every drop of revenue they can possibly squeeze out of every customer, and absolute iron-clad control of the experience from beginning to end. I don't care if it's "rational" behavior for the business; it's disgusting and shouldn't be allowed. The good of society should always come before increasing profits even higher for already-massive, already-highly-profitable companies.
• RC_ITR 4y ago
  > This change, the report explains, will help GM “capture more data on how consumers drive and charge EVs.” Oh cool, a company reducing features so they can collect more data on me.
  • midnitewarrior 4y ago
    Considering how few drivers they will have in their cars, they can just capture this data with pen and paper manually.
• KMnO4 4y ago
  I don’t think I would buy a car that didn’t have CarPlay. I’m an iPhone user and have no interest in changing my phone. People reject cars all the time for even more trivial things (oh — this one doesn’t have wireless charging? Next.), so I can’t imagine this being a smart idea for GM.
  • halfnormalform 4y ago
    Agreed. There is no way I would consider one without CarPlay. It has become too much a part of the driving experience.
  • bdcravens 4y ago
    Not the only reason, but was definitely one reason that contributed to the decision to cancel my Model 3 order and go with a Kia EV6 instead.
    • browningstreet 4y ago
      I said my next car would have to have CarPlay but the Tesla software in my Y is good enough to live without it. I rent a lot of cars with CarPlay, and like it, but now that the Tesla software supports both Apple Music and Spotify, I’m good. That said, I wouldn’t buy a car that supported Google Carwhatever but not Apple CarPlay.
      • st-keller 4y ago
        As far as i know the tesla car has its own spotify account. So this only works, if you’re the only one driving your car. In my family up to five people drive a car - I don’t think i want one spotify-account used by five people.
        • bdcravens 4y ago
          It's not the same Spotify account you login to your phone with, or it only supports logging into one account?
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• gurumeditations 4y ago
  Data collection and subscription charging…
• Haga 4y ago
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• plagiarist 4y ago
  I don't want my car to team up with anyone, please. I don't want an already-outdated LCD screen and proprietary operating system in there becoming obsolete even faster than the battery wears out. I wish there were better options for that.
  • UberFly 4y ago
    I agree. I wish there were bare-bare-bones options with a radio and ac/heat. I will use my phone otherwise.
    • yibg 4y ago
      Yea agree so much with this. I just want a car with physical knobs and buttons bluetooth to connect to my phone's audio. Have to buy ~10 year old cars to get this.
      • poulsbohemian 4y ago
        My Subaru has physical knobs AND the benefits of CarPlay. This is not a mutually exclusive issue. And both work great together.
        • yibg 4y ago
          Yea some do have this, just not common anymore. e.g. I want a GTI, but I really hate the lack of buttons. Even the steering wheel controls aren't physical buttons anymore.
      • kennend3 4y ago
        My 2023 Elantra has both google/apple support and physical knobs on both the console and steering wheel. I can do most things without interacting with the touch screen at all. Physical knobs and these systems def. do exist.
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• gnicholas 4y ago
  I’ll remain open minded about this, but it seems unwise to go all-in with android and abandon Apple for even the most expensive cars. Are people who buy Cadillacs (who probably own iPhones) not going to mind not having CarPlay? Or will they buy a BMW or Mercedes instead? When you’re dropping $75k on a car, you expect it not to have any compromises.
  • pc86 4y ago
    As other commenters have said, people dismiss $75k+ cars all the times for things like "this shade of exterior paint is too light/dark" or "I don't like how the shifter feels" or "this doesn't have ambient lighting." In that context "this car won't integrate with your phone so you'll need to rely on shoddy BT at best" is a pretty major issue.
    • juve1996 4y ago
      Not even in that price range. I wouldn't buy a toyota I wanted simply because it didn't have Carplay and their infotainment sucked.
  • intelekshual 4y ago
    They're not going all-in with Android or abandoning Apple, they're phasing out both CarPlay AND Android Auto in favor of something entirely new (that just so happens to be built by Google).
    • MBCook 4y ago
      This is that problem of Google branding. They’re dropping Android Auto, the CarPlay equivalent. They’re switching to Android Auto, the infotainment OS. Or is that Android Automotive? Or Android for Autos? Or Android Auto(motive?) OS, which is AAOS. Or something based on Android Open Source for cars or maybe Android Auto Open Source? Which is not AOSP. Or Android. But kind of is. I’m not in the Android world but I’m never sure what to call the car Android thing as opposed to the phone Android thing for use in cars. Using Android Auto with your Android based auto. Sigh. I give up. I’m going to go watch Apple TV on my Apple TV through the Apple made TV app.
• jedberg 4y ago
  Is the Android Auto interface part of Android open source? If it is, what stops Apple from making CarPlay compatible with Android Auto protocols?
  • flax 4y ago
    The same thing that stops Apple from making their phones USB-C compatible, or iMessage RCS compatible, or making the app store back-end not require xCode and a mac merely to upload a file. They are a monopoly, and they are trying to coerce consumers to give them more money.
  • agloe_dreams 4y ago
    GM is killing Both carplay and AA, everyone is confused all over the place and reporting is awful. The new system runs off "Google Automotive Services" (AKA: GAS - Native Google Android on the car's computer hardware) complete with the Play Store. Apple could always build iMessage and Apple Maps for GAS.
    • jedberg 4y ago
      That actually makes a lot more sense. Unfortunate that it's going that way though. Thanks for the info.
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• viro 4y ago
  That's a huge mistake. I shit you not when I say CarPlay was the main thing I looked when I bought my last car.
  • eksx 4y ago
    Ditto. I also am shopping for a new car just for the sole purpose of having wireless CarPlay. I put over 100k miles on my car in 3 years so I would consider myself in the well above average tier for car usage. Apple CarPlay has improved the driving experience considerably.
• dopeboy 4y ago
  CarPlay is a borderline need-to-have for me if I were to buy a car. Hope Google's version is just as good...
• xnx 4y ago
  I'm guessing GM made the calculation that the money they were getting from Google to do this was greater than the money they would lose in car sales to iPhone owners.
• jaywalk 4y ago
  "This is an incredibly lame and sucky decision for a number of different reasons." The state of "journalism" in 2023.
• rideontime 4y ago
  Did Google pay for this?
• dboreham 4y ago
  Quite odd that we decide which $80,000 car to buy based on what remote display server protocol it supports.
  • kstrauser 4y ago
    If I had $80,000 to spend on a car, "works with stuff I already own and use" would definitely be a litmus test for me.
  • slt2021 4y ago
    People who drop 80k on a car, dont have time nor energy to learn and fiddle with new car UI. Once you get used to CarPlay you aint coming back, since it is so integrated with the phone UX
    • eddieroger 4y ago
      It's been said elsewhere as well, but if one is willing to spend that much on a car, or can at all, they usually want exactly what they want beyond just the UI.
  • hnbear 4y ago
    If I'm spending <$8,000 (picking $8K as 10% of your initial number) on a car I know I'm compromising on everything and buying the car for a very specific reason. There's no room for negotiation - you take what you get at that price point. If I'm spending $80,000 on a car it better be perfect in every way, and every little bit of it matters because I don't want to be disappointed in any part of it. I would hate getting into my $80,000 car every day and knowing that I wasn't getting what I wanted from it.
• minutillo 4y ago
  Also getting rid of Android Auto, according to the original source: General Motors plans to phase out widely-used Apple CarPlay and Android Auto technologies that allow drivers to bypass a vehicle's infotainment systems, shifting instead to built-in infotainment systems developed with Google for future electric vehicles. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-plans-phase-apple-carplay-140319747.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-plans-phase-apple-carplay-...
• yalogin 4y ago
  Obviously they entered into an exclusive partnership like this with Google after a lot of thought. I cannot imagine what google gave them for that. The main question for me is, how is it benefitting Google? Does GM sell that many cars? Do the users data on their drives worth that much to them? Or is it just a play to make Apple appear weaker?
• BLO716 4y ago
  Way to cast aside the population most likely to buy your EV. I guess they aren't looking at their data.
• jmull 4y ago
  > This change, the report explains, will help GM “capture more data on how consumers drive and charge EVs.” > “We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us,” Edward Kummer, GM’s chief digital officer, added. The company is targeting $20 billion to $25 billion in annual revenue from subscriptions by 2030. Yech
• bastardoperator 4y ago
  I love my yukon, but I'm not buying anything with google inside of it or anything without carplay. This seems like a miscalculation because GM sells some expensive vehicles, and people with lots of money in my limited experience have iphones.
• juve1996 4y ago
  > Kummer also acknowledged that there are "subscription revenue opportunities." Don't be surprised if you're paying a recurring fee for certain features like you already do with some brands. This is getting so tiresome. Not only have car prices exploded, now we have to pay for subscription features too. I just don't know how much more of this we can take. Companies no longer innovate. They all just rent seek because there's no true competition anymore.
  • grepfru_it 4y ago
    welcome to the service economy!
• BLO716 4y ago
  I think GM (and most car manufacturers) miss out on the partnerships with such players like Apple and Google entirely to extend their OS reach and ubiquity. The SYNERGY could be a billion dollar package add-on. What also puzzles me was why Tesla never bought Apple or vis versa. The UI/UX fast-track in such an endeavor would be mind boggling.
• devinegan 4y ago
  I haven’t seen anyone mention car rentals in this thread. It is a huge bonus to have an interface, maps, music, etc you know and trust. When renting a car in the last 5 years it is basically standard to have access to CarPlay, and it is the same system many of us use in our own cars. Will rental companies buy vehicles without it, and support this move too?
  • gnicholas 4y ago
    This is a good point, but pretty much all rental companies have GM vehicles, and renters get stuck with whatever is available. I doubt renters will change their behaviors because they won't be able to effectively avoid GM vehicles. So as a result, rental companies won't change their behavior either. It will just suck for renters a bit more than before.
    • kayodelycaon 4y ago
      I've seen a lot of Toyotas and Kias for rentals. Not a lot of American cars.
    • lotsofpulp 4y ago
      Maybe, maybe not. I would pay $10 more per day for a car with CarPlay. And I would pick Enterprise over Avis if it came down to availability of CarPlay.
      • gnicholas 4y ago
        But is there any chance that one rental company would actually be able to guarantee CarPlay availability (meaning no GM vehicles)? Seems unlikely to me.
        • lotsofpulp 4y ago
          I don’t see why not. They buy plenty of non GM cars to rent.
• joshstrange 4y ago
  I largely ignored CarPlay since it came out since my car didn't support it and I didn't feel like I was missing much vs my mounted phone but recently I borrowed a car for a few days that had CarPlay and I really enjoyed it. So much better than anything from any car manufacturer and the integration was flawless. In fact, my biggest issue was figuring out how to get back into the CarPlay UI from the car default UI when I started the car (I'm sure there was an easy way and I took a convoluted way). For a long time I said "Just give me keyless entry/start, bluetooth, and a backup camera and I'll be happy" but now I really want CarPlay as well. The car I was driving was much nicer than mine in a number of ways (adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assist, etc, all stuff I enjoyed) but CarPlay was the one thing I'd really love to have.
  • QuarterReptile 4y ago
    Does carplay hijack the phone pretty aggressively? I've tried the Android one a few times, but it prevents manipulation of the phone while you're riding and the phone has to ask of the head unit (and be rejected) permission to disable Bluetooth to restore the phone. Then you have to ask the driver to get, unlock, and relinquish his phone for you to accomplish the task. It's possible I was the victim of bad default settings, as I turned the whole thing off each time after this happened.
    • kgermino 4y ago
      IME the iPhone works normally, but if you have a navigation app running a route that app turns into a list of the next steps with no options to view a map, add a stop, or manipulate anything. It's really frustrating for us when, e.g. we have the route to the final destination on screen but the passenger wants to look for a place to stop and eat. They either have to use the car touchscreen (intended for the driver and limiting for someone who can give it full attention) or juggle multiple maps apps or phones.
    • kemayo 4y ago
      It used to, but a few years ago (2019 I think?) they changed so that it's a properly separate display. The only thing you can't do is separately play audio from the phone (because the CarPlay unit is basically serving as its output while it's connected), or use your maps app to do something different while the navigation is running on the CarPlay unit (because CarPlay is just a view into the phone's apps, and so they'll both be in navigation mode).
• BLO716 4y ago
  After replacing the head unit in my Tacoma, I couldn't live my life w/o the modern amenities with Apple CarPlay, TBH. I drive my wife's Nissan and just so let down on the interface of early Rogues .. but at least the entire setup now comes up in a 2020 we drive. Anyway ... GM is shooting themselves in the foot on this one.
  • TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    Which head unit did you choose? I’m looking to replace my factory default 2-din.
    • mikestew 4y ago
      I replaced a 2-DIN unit in our 2005 Scion xB probably ten years ago with a Pioneer. No need to send a link to a ten-year old product, but go to Crutchfield (if in U. S.), search on "pioneer CarPlay", and you'll get head units with CarPlay from $300 on up. Ours is one of the nicer ones (at the time), and even without CarPlay it's still a nice unit. We've replaced the unit in the Sprinter RV with a JVC (which, from what I can gather, is just a Chinese brand that bought the name) for something like $300. We pretty much only use CarPlay in that vehicle, which is fine because the rest of the unit is pretty low-end, including the UI. But the CarPlay piece gets the job done.
      • dpb001 4y ago
        +1 for Crutchfield - have had nothing but good experiences with them for instructions and support
        • mikestew 4y ago
          I've purchased from Crutchfield, as did my father before me, for over 40 years. Not one...single...bad word to say about my experiences. They have almost always exceeded expectations, and to reiterate what you already said, their instructions and support are outstanding. Hence my "go to Crutchfield's site...".
• flyingcircus3 4y ago
  I use a separate mp3 player connected over Bluetooth in the car. I still get album art and all necessary controls on the cars touchscreen. I've used maps/navigation with Android Auto, but really, it's the audio directions that are the killer app, not a visual map. So I usually just set it up on my phone, and not my cars screen. What else is there to do on a car's touchscreen? Or are we just in the novelty phase of this technology? I'll admit it was a deciding factor in my latest car purchase. But the novelty has worn off, and if it would have been an optional feature with an additional cost, I would certainly have buyer's remorse.
• ScoobleDoodle 4y ago
  Wow ditching both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto to target $20 billion to $25 billion in subscription revenue. GM showing itself to be actively user hostile with this. Owners will be paying an extra subscription cost for these apps to be in their car which are already on their phone. Google Maps subscription free in these GM EVs only for the first 8 years. Then you pay a subscription with recurring billing. These vehicles are no longer a consideration with this user hostile orientation. I hope this sends GM to bankruptcy round 2 and deters other car manufacturers from this nonsense.
  • dreamcompiler 4y ago
    And of course there is zero chance GM's software will be even 1/10 as easy to use as Apple's because no car manufacturer (except maybe Tesla) understands UI software or even acknowledges that it's important. I already pay "subscriptions" for my car in the form of loan payments, insurance, and maintenance. I'm damn well not going to pay Mary Barra a monthly fee to use her crappy music service or enable my seat heaters to work.
    • code_witch_sam 4y ago
      i see it going two ways: 1. they do skeumorphic design in a way where comes out as a giant touchscreen with a bunch of static buttons like you see with physical interfaces on a car 2. very deep menus. e.g., a dozen taps to switch from radio to bluetooth in either case, it'll have a 15hz frame rate and 800ms of lag between input and response. i expect nothing better. meanwhile, if we had a full-on apple car, it would probably have a 120hz truemotion display, well-calibrated spatial audio, and a fully-utilized M2 Max chip i was bearish on the idea of an apple car years ago, but now with tesla withering, i'm practically begging for it
  • esskay 4y ago
    GM are seriously deluded if they think they can get anywhere near those figures. We all know how crappy their software will be, and why on earth would they think anyone will be stupid enough to pay a subscription for it when its free on every other car.
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• Overtonwindow 4y ago
  It's a shame there is not one universal automotive entertainment standard that can read and interpret from any device following that standard.
  • kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
    You'd think the EU would force the industry to come up with a standard.
• de6u99er 4y ago
  I hate this trend!
• spacedcowboy 4y ago
  shrug I guess that narrows the choice of what car to get in future. Sayonara GM.
• nozzlegear 4y ago
  > GM’s move to restrict access to CarPlay and Android Auto […] will help the automaker capture more data on its customers’ driving, listening, and charging habits. It could also help inform future subscription products, as automakers across the board are seeking to generate more revenue beyond just selling cars. Yeah no thanks. I have a 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV that I absolutely love, but I will not be buying another GM vehicle if this is what they’re going to be doing.
  • flictonic 4y ago
    Yeah, one of the major perks of the EUV is the wireless Carplay.
  • grepfru_it 4y ago
    your 2023 chevy bolt euv is already streaming all of your driving parameters to GM via onstar. the "help" they are referring to is offloading the transmission of these parameters to your wireless device vs their built-in wireless device ($$$)
    • nozzlegear 4y ago
      > your 2023 chevy bolt euv is already streaming all of your driving parameters to GM via onstar. Is it? I’ve already turned off the Chevrolet Smart Driver or whatever it’s called, I know about that one sending data back to GM. And I canceled OnStar as soon as I purchased the vehicle, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn if it’s still siphoning data anyway. Still, the situation would get worse for me because at least right now using CarPlay they aren’t getting all the data about which books or music I’m listening to.
      • grepfru_it 4y ago
        yes it is, i am intimately aware of that project :) onstar is always connected to the car, you cannot disable it.
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• Niksko 4y ago
  I own a pretty old car, so haven't got the bells and whistles. But I've just rented a new model Camry for the last 3 weeks, and here's my takeaways: Android Auto is much better than Apple Carplay. Carplay was janky and the navigation stuttered. Also the layout of the on-screen UI was weird, and poorly thought out. As usual I think, Android Auto is probably designed to work ok on any size screen and gracefully degrade. Carplay is probably impeccable on a few cars and crap on the rest (like this Camry). But my pain point is that it would be easy not to notice that this exists. My mum for example has a very new car, I'm sure it supports Android Auto, I'd be shocked if she knew it exists. GM could make plenty of money from people who don't know Android Auto/Carplay exists (or from those that prefer to not need a phone), while still supporting Auto/Carplay for those that want it.
  • Operyl 4y ago
    The lag on Carplay definitely seems to be the infotainment system, I have a new Corolla and have noticed similar issues (even compared to previous versions). The Mazda implementation is smooth and pretty high framerate.
  • onewheeltom 4y ago
    Android Auto = uber janky
  • spike021 4y ago
    I've used Carplay in a few cars. Mine doesn't even have it built-in, I swapped in an aftermarket Pioneer headunit that has Carplay. It's worked fine with various sizes of screen. As far as lag, there's some lag when using wireless Carplay mostly IME for audio playback, basically akin to the same delay when using Bluetooth. I've never had nav issues with Apple Maps, but since iOS 16 or so, Google Maps frequently has issues where it stops updating my current location and gets stuck until I force-quit the app and re-open it, so that's a bummer. Otherwise it's been fine. Handy the time I had to use a Kia rental and as soon as my phone was paired to it it was like my own personal car.
• midnitewarrior 4y ago
  This sounds like GM is committing brand suicide by actively making itself unappealing to Gen Z. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says-87-of-us-teenagers-own-an-iphone https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... I love Android, but I also know how to read.
  • sbahr001 4y ago
    LMAO!!!
  • DeRock 4y ago
    It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-trojan-horse-into-the-automotive-industry.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.
    • kulahan 4y ago
      I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in that being an absolute requirement for a car purchase. I guess it's not surprising that GM is making another stupid move though.
      • Moto7451 4y ago
        Definitely not alone. Some VP doesn’t get it and is going to find themselves in a new job elsewhere after they figure out what they just committed themself to. I love GM cars once you remove their terrible UI and escape to CarPlay/Android Auto. The biggest issue with cars is that they rely on a touch screen for controls and the UX is awful. I now have an Audi and a Porsche and the MMI suite is Android based. This isn’t too bad but the services and mapping are far behind Apple and Google.
      • Robotbeat 4y ago
        If it’s that dominant I wonder if there needs to be some anti-trust action done with Apple?
• mikestew 4y ago
  Pre-orders for the EV Blazer started recently. My retired GM-employed father went down to sign up, because if he didn't want it come delivery, I said we'd take it. Parents have a new ICE Blazer, and it would fit our needs well as an EV. But no CarPlay? You can keep your Blazer, Chevy, we're going to go buy a Kia.
• mikestew 4y ago
  Pre-orders for the EV Blazer started recently. My retired GM-employed father went down to sign up, because if he didn't want it come delivery, I said we'd take it. Parents have a new ICE Blazer, and it would fit our needs well as an EV. But no CarPlay? You can keep your Blazer, Chevy, we're going to go buy a Kia.
• calvinmorrison 4y ago
  For the love of open standards, just stop! I love my car, it has a 1 din radio. Many years ago I replaced the tape deck with a unit that had a CD player. A few years after that, I had a 3.5mm aux jack and even a USB charger for my iPod Classic. After that - bluetooth baby. It works like a dream and it was like 30 bucks at walmart.
• dang 4y ago
  Url changed from https://9to5mac.com/2023/03/31/gm-carplay-support-ev/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/03/31/gm-carplay-support-ev/, which points to this. Submitters: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
• hulitu 4y ago
  Android Auto is crap. It only works with some Google allowed apps.
  • jeffbee 4y ago
    They are not allowing Android Auto, either. And I don't see how your complaint differentiates Apple from Google. CarPlay also only works with specialized and approved apps.
• GenerWork 4y ago
  Glad that they're making these announcements ahead of time so I know not to consider a GM vehicle.
• Animats 4y ago
  Do you have to have a Google account to use the car?
  • kotaKat 4y ago
    Actually... sorta. The new infotainment system ("Google Built-In") basically dictates you have to use it or you don't get to use all the features as they were intended. To get an idea of what to expect, see Volvo's GBI page - https://www.volvocars.com/intl/v/connectivity/infotainment-page https://www.volvocars.com/intl/v/connectivity/infotainment-p... "You can still drive the car and use Google Assistant and Google Maps without a Google Account. However, if you’re offline or signed out, some apps and features may not be available. Google Play requires a logged in Google Account whereas Google Assistant and Google Maps will not be as personalised in the signed-out experience."
• peoplearepeople 4y ago
  Are they trying to ruin their sales to rental car companies?
• thesandlord 4y ago
  Looks like they will offer some sort of customized Android Automotive, which is awesome, but restrict casting from your phone? Seems really short sighted, I feel most folks would use the built-in stuff but having the option to cast from a phone is a must have escape hatch. Wireless CarPlay on our Bolt EV is one of the best features, sad to see that go.
• jeffbee 4y ago
  I would never buy a car that did not support both Android Auto and CarPlay. In fact, that is why I did not buy a Prius. The software in a Chevy Bolt EV is unbelievably bad, taking several second to respond to presses of the power button, which means your awful experience starts from the moment you get in the car. I suggest that GM mercifully assign each and every member of their software division to literally any other non-software role, and let someone with good taste take over.
  • pmarreck 4y ago
    10 years ago I sold a Chevy Volt and bought a Tesla (I did very well that year). The UI was also terrible, then. I see nothing has changed despite Tesla existing for over 10 years now. Even though the Tesla doesn't support CarPlay, it doesn't have to, because its native UI is great (and responsive!)
• nerdjon 4y ago
  I really hope this isn't a start of a trend, but I have to wonder if the recent CarPlay taking over the entire car thing that Apple announced is kinda related? Every once in a while I end up renting a car that doesn't have CarPlay support and it sucks. CarPlay is great and it does what I need (music and directions, with the occasional message) while also keeping everything in sync with my phone.
  • banana_giraffe 4y ago
    Related, I suppose, but indirectly. From elsewhere: > GM said it expects its in-car subscription services to generate nearly $2 billion in revenue this year and will reach as high as $25 billion by the end of the decade I assume they view Carplay/Android Auto as a barrier to their subscription plans. Why would I pay for Map Updates, or Sirius subscription or whatever if I can just plug my phone in?
    • nerdjon 4y ago
      That number seems insanely high, are people really going to pay for the privilege of getting maps when they can get them for free on their phone? I would think a lot of people would just get a phone holder for their car, or just choose another car. I mean GPS's charging for map updates hasn't been mainstream for 10ish years?
      • banana_giraffe 4y ago
        I agree with you, I honestly don't know what they expect people to pay for: > Alan Wexler [...] indicated that consumers were willing to pay up to $135 per month on services for their vehicles I'm sure they're working at this backwards, in that there's this bucket of money sitting there, and how to charge $135/mo to get at it.
  • agloe_dreams 4y ago
    I think this is directly related, furthermore, I think no company should take Apple's deal. "You build the car and screens...we use them to make money/get data instead of you". There's a reason CarPlay licensing is free. I bet some partners backed out of the next-gen carplay too. There's a good argument that Apple is the bad guy here too: Their restriction of iMessage APIs and App-data over Bluetooth makes Carplay (and in a like way, the Apple Watch) the only real choice for iPhone owners. One could say they are taking the whole industry over the coals with this lockout which allows them to have people pay them app store subscriptions. There is a running line that "Apple believes they own every dollar that is spent on your iPhone", with carplay, it's every dollar in your car too.
• aaronbrethorst 4y ago
  Convince me to never buy a GM vehicle with this one weird trick.
• bluecalm 4y ago
  Quick Google search tells me there are currently 65 million GM vehicles on the roads in US. Let's say that can add 25 million new ones till 2030 which sounds very optimistic for them. To have their forecast of the subscription revenue materialize they would need to charge 1000$ per car per year or about 80$/month. That seems crazy to me. People might be coming to terms with subscription but 80$/month is an expensive one and you also need to convince them to pay that for a car - not excatly a natural market for it. Aren't they way too optimistic on this one?
  • TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    When your car payment is $400/month, what’s another $80? /s
  • kotaKat 4y ago
    The base OnStar plan to use Google Built In is $25/mo, to get emergency crash response that plan doubles to $50/mo. So no, they're right in line with right how they want to gouge customers.
• mgdev 4y ago
  I plan to phase GM out of my consideration set for all new purchases, with GM's help.
• sircastor 4y ago
  I worked in Infotainment for an Automotive OEM for 7 years. There were two major concepts behind the resistance to CarPlay and Android Auto. The first was branding. Not being able to control the experience that the user, especially because it was so visible of a component in the cab. The second was (and this is anecdotal, I was not directly involved in the conversations) the way that Apple and especially Google were behaving about data. Google wanted all of the data off the Infotainment system, and a bunch of the data from the car, and they were not willing to share any of that data back with us. They wanted it all for themselves. Over the years, my company moved because it was a customer demand. My boss when I was hired said that a person would never buy a vehicle because of the infotainment system, but it might push them over the edge.
  • agloe_dreams 4y ago
    Yup. I think the thing most people need to see at this point is that almost every car maker will follow GM at this. They would rather the Google deal where they get a cut of the pie and some control rather than the nothing they get with Carplay/AA.
    • MBCook 4y ago
      So this is an anecdote, but… Last summer Apple said 78% of new car buyers want CarPlay. Not “or Android Auto”. CarPlay. (Note: may be US specific, don’t know) Someone tried to look it up and ask around. And the basic idea is that new cars are more expensive than ever and going up. And that means if you’re buying a new car (as opposed to used) you have more money. And, at least in the US, that correlates highly with iPhone ownership. If that’s true, that means that dropping CarPlay (even if you kept Android Auto, which GM isn’t) you’d be heavily annoying the vast majority of your buyers. Not 51%, but 78%. I don’t think you can remove CarPlay and succeed at this point. Consumer demand is too strong. Now add in Android Auto diehards.
      • sircastor 4y ago
        The OEM I worked for is a luxury brand, and its customers were overwhelmingly iPhone users.
• jonahhorowitz 4y ago
  GM is probably ignoring that these products exist too. I haven't bought one, but I've been tempted to put one in my 2008 Civic. I'm sure they'll be even better and cheaper in a couple years. https://www.ebay.com/itm/204267444756?hash=item2f8f49da14:g:BTEAAOSw8ZJkCAFd https://www.ebay.com/itm/204267444756?hash=item2f8f49da14:g:...
  • TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    This is cool! I only wish it hooked into the car speakers.
    • jonahhorowitz 4y ago
      It does - it connects over AUX or BT.
    • kotaKat 4y ago
      That's the neat part, they have aux out. ;)
• hkatx 4y ago
  I have an iphone and appreciate carplay in my car. Tesla doesn't support Apple Car play and is fairly popular. Most buyers wouldn't notice right away at least during the test drive and the absence of carplay will be noticed later in their ownership experience. By then the loss of payment/friction in changing cars will keep them tied to their purchase.
• mabbo 4y ago
  I used to drive rental cars a lot for work and loved Chevy and GM's integration with Android auto. They just did it really well. I'd specifically try to get one of their vehicles because of that. I guess I won't have to look out for them in the future.
• justapassenger 4y ago
  If it's fully integrated android automotive, and it just works, for free - that's fine with me, even tho I'm an iPhone user. As long as I get my apps - I don't care. But I'm 100% sure it won't be like that. I'm also 100% sure, the reason they plan to do it, is to force people into OnStar subscription for data. I'm not paying $35+ per month when I have phone in my pocket.
  • agloe_dreams 4y ago
    They are offering 8 years free data.
    • justapassenger 4y ago
      Source? Article doesn't mention that.
      • agloe_dreams 4y ago
        https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/31/23664814/gm-ev-restrict-apple-carplay-android-auto-google https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/31/23664814/gm-ev-restrict-a... The Verge has the actual document from GM, it is the last line.
• adrianmonk 4y ago
  On top of obsolescence and consumer choice issues, I also just don't want to configure and manage all this stuff separately in my car. It's going to support applications like Spotify. I don't want to sit in my car and get Spotify installed, get logged in, and get it configured on my infotainment system. Same with other apps and services. Same with my Google account. I don't want to do any of that. When I bring my phone, whatever apps I care about are already set up and ready to go. It's just easier. And I'm someone who can figure out how. Imagine how delightful it will be for people who aren't very tech savvy.
• freediverx 4y ago
  Is there a lot of crossover appeal between fans of Apple products and GM cars?
• Tagbert 4y ago
  As a current GM Volt owner who had been considering the upcoming Blazer and Equinox this is very frustrating and basically rules out GM vehicles. I use CarPlay daily and it is my preferred way to personalize the car. Yes, I do use Maps in CarPlay because that is where my Contacts are and that is where I am searching for businesses and use that to find directions. I don't want to switch to another system just for directions and traffic notices. I don't care about routing to chargers on a daily basis. the only comes into play on a rare road trip. I also use CarPlay for listening to podcasts using OverCast. I absolutely don't want to give that up just to make GM happy.
• gumby 4y ago
  No problem, I don’t need a GM car either.
• georgelyon 4y ago
  Something fitting about this story being reported on yahoo.
• nkotov 4y ago
  What a stupid move. Every infotainment system I used that didn't have CarPlay has been horrible. Either it was incredibly slow or hard to use. Going into a rental with CarPlay has always been awesome. Everything you need is right where you want it, no matter the vehicle. The only closest to being good has been Tesla.
• kiawe_fire 4y ago
  Well this sucks. I bought a Chevy Blazer last year, and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Great balance of design, gas mileage, comfort, etc. I was definitely planning to make my next car the EV version of this. Part of that package is flawless CarPlay integration. It’s simplified the music and navigation experience more than I ever thought possible. The only reason I wouldn’t demand it on my next car is if something demonstrably and overwhelmingly better came along. Everything described in the article sounds worse. Subscription services tied to my car and not my phone? Needing to maintain navigation routes on my car AND my phone? Being forced to use only built in apps like Spotify instead of “whatever is on my phone that supports car play”? Waiting on my car to decide when I can get the newest navigation app or the latest update to Spotify like this is some janky non-Roku smart TV from 2012? No thanks. > GM's decision to stop offering those systems in future electric vehicles, starting with the 2024 Chevrolet Blazer, could help the automaker capture more data on how consumers drive and charge EVs. That doesn’t even make sense. NONE of those things would require an absence of CarPlay, nor would they require the presence of some omnipresent Google / GM replacement. Those metrics are all collected by the systems using them, with the infotainment simply being one possible UI for display of those metrics. Sucks. Just when I found a car brand and manufacturer that seemed to be doing things well, and I was excited for the EV version of it, they pull this. Why can’t I have nice things?
  • nashashmi 4y ago
    I think the data collection part is a surmise from the author.
    • kiawe_fire 4y ago
      Thank you. Re-reading it, I’m sure you’re correct. > GM would benefit from focusing engineers and investment on one approach to more tightly connecting in-vehicle infotainment and navigation with features such as assisted driving, Edward Kummer, GM's chief digital officer, and Mike Himche, executive director of digital cockpit experience, said in an interview. This is the actual reasoning provided by GM sources in the article. I jumped the gun. I can very much sympathize with the desire to concentrate engineering efforts, and I’m sure there are things they would love to spend time on that would be eclipsed or ignored if the user lives in CarPlay or Android Auto. But this is concentrating resources in the wrong direction, for the wrong reasons, with little useful gain.
• nashashmi 4y ago
  Everyone here is pessimistic about the experience. And they have a right to be. Car manufacturers are not good at consumer software. They are only good at moving buttons here and there. And the innovators behind what the buttons do have always been a different company. But look at the positive end: having a bland one screen for interfacing with your phone is ridiculous. And car manufacturers want to move those "buttons" around that interface with your phone. Like something that integrates with maps. And the podcast and radio. And the messaging and calling. Something that can move the map display to right above the steering wheel. Something that can move the messaging and video to windshield. And something that can let me switch sources for podcast and radio. I don't think they will be able to pull it off. But I do hope they try.
• gwbas1c 4y ago
  > We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us ... aiming for $20 billion to $25 I really, really do not want a subscription. My Teslas' subscription appears to be at cost; I doubt Tesla is making billions off of subscription fees for maps. But, even though Tesla's infotainment system is a lot more slick than Android Auto, I must admit that at times I'd rather use that. I still use Youtube Music, which my Teslas do not have an app for. I haven't switched to Spotify because I don't want another subscription. (I also think there is a way to share my phone's internet with the car and avoid the subscription, but I suspect the increased data could cost almost as much as the car's subscription anyway.)
  • jfengel 4y ago
    Could you use Bluetooth to play YouTube music? It sounds like it wouldn't be a great experience, since YouTube probably has features that Bluetooth doesn't support. But does it at least solve the main part of the problem, or does that somehow not work? (I have a podcast app that I sometimes play through Bluetooth when I can't connect via Android Auto. The Bluetooth version is less good, but it does let me listen even when my cable is flaky.)
    • veilrap 4y ago
      Yeah, bluetooth for things like YouTube music works fine, but it's not as streamlined - e.g. you have to do searching on the phone.
      • MBCook 4y ago
        And that’s what you’ll get with the new GM EVs. Use their system or use Bluetooth like it’s 2004. That’s not a great choice, even if their system is great.
• a_vanderbilt 4y ago
  This is such a boneheaded decision I can't help but laugh. Everyone I know who has tried CarPlay now avoids cars that do not have it. When I bought my Miata last year, I specifically chose the trim with CarPlay capability. I will not by a car that does not have it.
  • amf12 4y ago
    > Everyone I know who has tried CarPlay now avoids cars that do not have it. That is because you need CarPlay if you have an iPhone. With these systems, one wouldn't have to connect anything. It doesn't matter which phone a person has.
• exabrial 4y ago
  > GM Chief Executive Mary Barra is aiming for $20 billion to $25 billion in annual revenue from subscriptions by 2030. Well I guess this will be my last GM vehicle!
• vondur 4y ago
  I won't buy a car without CarPlay integration. Very shortsighted move from GM here.
• rubicon33 4y ago
  Wireless charging and Apple Car Play are two deal breakers for my next car. Idiotic move from GM.
• classified 4y ago
  Will Google display ads in your car or just hoover up all your data?
• knodi 4y ago
  Just make it optional feature, duh!!
• jrochkind1 4y ago
  Honestly, just give me a 3.5mm analog input and call it a day.
• esskay 4y ago
  Car manufacturers have proven they have zero ability to make any kind of in car entertainment system with software that isn't a giant pile of crap, a pile of crap which they abandon and never update. GM is committing suicide here, what an idiotic move.
• sitkack 4y ago
  Not only will GM look bad, but the press when they dump Android Auto will see a cliff in Android marketshare.
• scarface74 4y ago
  Just a little story: Back in 2006, Apple went to Verizon and wanted certain concessions from them for the iPhone - including no third party crapware. Verizon refused. Apple went to their competitor AT&T who did accept Apple’s demands. Verizon started losing customers and they came crawling back yo Apple. Apple did the same in other countries with the same results.
• outside1234 4y ago
  So I guess I'm going to get a Ford then
• sigmonsays 4y ago
  who really wants google in your car with you tracking every move? C'mon, this is getting pretty awful
• mig39 4y ago
  GM has no other way to distinguish itself from the others. If it came down to choosing between a GM without CarPlay and a Ford or Toyota with CarPlay, I wouldn't choose a GM.
• tristor 4y ago
  I would never buy a new vehicle without CarPlay. This is a move so stupid, even knowing GM, I’m shocked they would do this. Anyone in the US that isn’t broke or opposing Apple for ideological reasons is all-in on the Apple ecosystem because it’s the only tech ecosystem that actually works and half-ass respects the user. A recent survey had 87% of people between 14-25 in the US own iPhones and nearly 80% of those who made over median income own iPhones. Who does GM think is buying new vehicles when economy car base prices are pushing $30k? Someone with a free government Android phone is not dropping $30k+ on a new car. I can’t wait to see GM go out of business from this sheer stupidity.
• rdl 4y ago
  This isn’t existential for buying a GM product (I could probably just replace the head unit?), but for a rental, I’ll have to avoid GM EVs. Being able to rent basically any car on the lot and just have CarPlay work, with the only question being USB A, USB C, or wireless, is pretty nice today.
  • qgin 4y ago
    The problem is a lot of these cars don't have head units. They just have all sorts of irregular LCD screens built in to the dash.
• helmsb 4y ago
  Regardless of whether you prefer Apple or Google, the benefit of phone projection is that you can get a good experience with relatively low specs from the head unit because the heavy lifting is done by the phone which can be upgraded independently of the car. Even powered by Google, the infotainment system is going to age like milk since you’ll be locked into hardware that will be midrange at best, several years old by the time it’s released with no upgrade path. The only group of consumers that it could possibly benefit is people who want an EV but don’t use a smartphone and thus can’t take advantage of AA or CarPlay. I have a feeling that Venn Diagram is just two independent circles. This is purely so GM can add subscriptions and harvest more data. Heaven forbid they make their money just selling a car.
  • croutonwagon 4y ago
    100% this is true. Even a decent head unit these days has a HORRID UI. I put a Kenwood DMX907s into my truck, specifically for the Carplay and/or Andorid Auto experience (being wireless carplay/AA) Whenever I have to actually use the headunit, its shockingly bad UI. Ford, GM etc have similar. And they charge out the wazoo to do upgrade on poor unsuspecting customers like my in-laws, that rather opt to come visit and let me deal with the quirks (and there are plenty, including what type of USB-A drive you can use to perform an upgrade, nevermind trying an OTA on wifi and allowing the truck to idle for 4 hour in the driveway...) Given that most cars now rely on in-dash/touchscreen style feature gadgets to attract new buys over things like reliability/serviceability, you would think they would prefer to allow the techy's do the software and UI design in Apple/Google and not vendor lock one or the other. I would guess whatever company opts to go with a seamless carplay/AA experience, possibly with a control app for things like AC controls, would be king in this spacec (NOTE: ive given up asking for 3 knob AC controls, apparently I the only soul this earth that things 3 knobs that doest require visual attention to adjust the climate in a car is perfection.)
  • rhtgrg 4y ago
    Yes, removing CarPlay is not a great move, and is rightfully being bashed in this thread -- but these kinds of OEM integrations are far beyond a smartphone subsitute, especially given what's coming down the pipe for auto. As you allude to in your comment already, CarPlay is a "projection", a one-way deal -- whereas most of these integrations make heavy use of data from car sensors, which enables a lot of high fidelity features (including self-driving and advanced HUD indicators) that simply aren't possible with a smartphone, no matter how "independently upgraded" it is. In the future, perhaps phones can integrate better with cars and enable that kind of experience, but we aren't there today.
• paxys 4y ago
  More auto manufacturers are doing this, because they want to push monthly subscriptions for connected services. Plugging in your phone gets around that and gives you a way better experience.
• auxfil 4y ago
  More capturing of personal data and more shoving subscriptions down our throats. Nope. Sod off GM.
• snozolli 4y ago
  Back in 2017, I bought a new stereo for my project car. I made sure that it supported Android Open Accessory, so that I'd be able to stream high quality audio over USB. By the time I installed it, it didn't work. Why? Because Google deprecated AOA in Android 8.0, in August 2017. AOA support was removed and USB Audio UAC1 & UAC2 were added. This left existing owners of car stereos produced from 2011 (when AOA was introduced with Android 3.1) on. This also created a problem in that no car stereo manufacturer seems to have implemented UAC1 or UAC2 support, likely because it treats the stereo as a 'dumb' DAC, so you can't control playback using buttons on the stereo. So, why did they remove AOA? My only guess is that it was done in order to push Android Auto. I believe that Google will just screw over existing users at the drop of a hat if a brand manager decides it might increase some market share metric.
  • mastercheif 4y ago
    It’s possible to do playback controls on UAC 2 devices. The audio device needs to report a 2nd interface to the host for an HID device which can then send forward HID media key events like a USB keyboard. I’d wager this is how AOA v2 handled it as well–I don’t see any mention of controls in the audio interface docs.
• malshe 4y ago
  The real reason for this is at the end of the article: "We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us," Kummer said. GM Chief Executive Mary Barra is aiming for $20 billion to $25 billion in annual revenue from subscriptions by 2030.
• sergiomattei 4y ago
  Bone headed move. People pay top dollar to retrofit CarPlay stereos into older cars. I did it to my Nissan Sentra 2011, no regrets. Such a value add. GM deserves whatever they get for this move.
• JohnBooty 4y ago
  This is so obviously user-unfriendly. All I can guess here is that GM is hoping to slip it past potential purchasers. There is a lot of information to digest when buying a car, particularly EVs. If the salesperson says "oh yeah, you can just plug your iphone in" I can see a certain % of people assuming it has actual CarPlay support and not bothering to demo that feature. It's the kind of thing you might not notice until after you've actually brought the car home. People overwhelmingly don't want another device to manage. This is overwhelmingly true for both tech-savvy types and folks who are allergic to tech. They are comfortable with their phones and don't go anywhere without them and they would just like the info screen on their car to be a relatively dumb display device for their phones.
• constantlm 4y ago
  This seems incredibly short-sighted.
• option 4y ago
  not having Apple Carplay is one of the main reasons I plan to ditch my Tesla MYP. so, yeah, way to go GM
• steponlego 4y ago
  Who would want Google in their car? This is a privacy nightmare.
• doctornoble 4y ago
  This really seems like the opposite direction auto manufacturers should be taking. Lean in hard to a common API design for displays and negotiate with Apple/Google on theming (like Apple Watch where some companies get custom watch faces), but leave the UX to Google/Apple I was uninterested in CarPlay until my last car had it. Now it’s a requirement for any car purchase. Similarly I was uninterested in wireless CarPlay (how hard is it to connect a Lightning cable) until my next car had it. I’d be a little more lenient on no wireless, but it is really convenient.
  • CharlesW 4y ago
    > This really seems like the opposite direction auto manufacturers should be taking. For sure. GM is operating based on fear here — just as carriers were terrified of being "dumb pipes", vehicle makers are terrified of being "dumb boxes". Somehow GM is under the delusion that Google is their friend, and that alienating Apple users won't impact vehicle buying decisions. GM will learn the hard way that both are incorrect.
    • smoldesu 4y ago
      Maybe we ought to respect user choice more than the greedy desires of our hardware vendors. Just a thought?
• matt3210 4y ago
  No CarPlay is a deal breaker for me. My iPhone GPS is where all my waypoints are and operating Apple Music from the dash is convenient
• jdmg94 4y ago
  Yet another reason not to buy a car from General Motors
• daviddever23box 4y ago
  April Fools joke, or simply corporate foolishness?
• ishvanl 4y ago
  Honestly I'm not surprised to hear GM doing something this ridiculous. GM's primary business has been finding new footguns for itself since at least the 1980s; at this point, the only thing going for the company is that their cars are American made (sometimes), and even the beneficial effects of that are debatable at best.
• amanaplanacanal 4y ago
  My problem with this is: for how many years will they guarantee updates? I already have a TV with built in Google software where half the apps don't work because they stopped updating it years ago. Now imagine this is your car instead.
• matty22 4y ago
  I keep hoping and wishing that Rivian will add CarPlay support to the R1T. It's the only electric pickup truck that I'm remotely interested in right now, but no CarPlay is an absolute non-starter. It disqualifies that truck as a purchasing option for me (and I suspect many others). For now, I'll keep saving and waiting.
• etempleton 4y ago
  It is like they want to lose customers. Even Teslas, which have a good UX that people like, still gets people complaining they wish it had CarPlay or Android Auto. It is just a nice extension of your phone that costs automakers basically nothing to implement. If they think they are going to create their own app stores people buy apps and subscriptions from they are delusional. We bought a Toyota recently that will require us to pay to use the app if we want to keep using remote start. The app does nothing, but for some reason remote start is locked behind the subscription. I won’t be paying for it.
  • ticklemyelmo 4y ago
    The free subscription on my 2021 Toyota expired 16 months ago. Remote start still works. (Well, the fob button sequence is as finicky and inconsistent as it always was, but it does work.) I think Toyota changed their minds on that feature after the bad press about it hit.
    • etempleton 4y ago
      It seems to be back into effect as I have to have an active subscription for it to function. I guess they are giving it another go with their latest vehicles.
• mrobins 4y ago
  This is such blatant rent-seeking nonsense and I think it will backfire. These articles always call out Tesla as a success but clearly they have a cult following and have other innovations. Personally, lack of CarPlay is the reason I hate driving Teslas because if you’re not used to it the UI is abysmal. Sorry but the Buick brand just doesn’t scream cutting edge UI to me.
• michael9k 4y ago
  Another reason not to buy a GM
• danpalmer 4y ago
  Dropping CarPlay and Android Auto, in favour of Android Automotive… which is different from Android Auto. More seriously, Automotive is basically the car running Android, rather than running some custom firmware that can receive the “mirror” content from CarPlay/Auto. Because this means it’ll be running a full app platform, I wonder if CarPlay/Auto could be implemented on top of Automotive with relative ease. It may even be possible for Apple to publish a CarPlay app on the Play Store for example.
  • MishaalRahman 4y ago
    >I wonder if CarPlay/Auto could be implemented on top of Automotive with relative ease. It can, and already has. Google offers an official Android Auto Receiver app for Android Automotive that allows for wired/wireless Android Auto projection onto an AAOS head unit. (It requires build integration so it can't just be installed from Google Play, but it's an option for OEMs.) As for CarPlay, there's no official integration package from Apple, but it can be done, as demonstrated by Polestar.
• squishy47 4y ago
  I wouldn't even consider a car that doesn't support carplay. i've not seen an infotainment system in YT car reviews that are not laggy AF (except tesla and rivian obv). CBA with them, looking forward to carplay 2.