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OpenAI and Microsoft extend partnership

457 points by hmate9 4y ago

evan_evan 4y ago
Right after firing 11,000 employees...
Tempest1981 4y ago
> Azure’s unique architecture design has been crucial in delivering best-in-class performance and scale Is there something unique about Azure, which makes it well suited for AI? (vs AWS or GCP)
- aabhay 4y ago
  They have ten billion dollars
hmate9 4y ago
This blog post offers no specific detail about the partnership (dollars involved and terms). Are those details public somewhere else?
ffhhj 4y ago
They are running at capacity now. Can they scale fast enough?
- lopis 4y ago
  They are running at capacity for free users. They will be able to afford much higher capacity with MS money, and probably stop providing the service for free soon.
  - cactusplant7374 4y ago
    One request costs about 1 cent to process? Is that what Altman is saying?
  - ilaksh 4y ago
    The APIs requests for the text-davinci-003 model released around the same time as ChatGPT also frequently fail with 503 errors.
- deleted 4y ago
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- bfeynman 4y ago
  they aren't running out of capacity, they just can't afford 100k+ a day in compute. Number of users who will pay will be much less so I doubt they will have problems
- ddmma 4y ago
  They create the need by building limitations on the free tier.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  They have as many frre users as they are willing to pay for to present a free demo; rest assured that the fee for paid users is more than sufficient to pay for whatever capacity they need.
rmac 4y ago
author: no one quotes in article: none dates / timelines for partnership deliverables: none was this written by chatgpt?
- jay-barronville 4y ago
  The “author” appears to be “OpenAI” (i.e., posting on behalf of the company) and they’ve posted like that numerous times before [1]. [1]: https://openai.com/blog/authors/openai https://openai.com/blog/authors/openai
  - moffkalast 4y ago
    I'll take that as a yes.
- IncRnd 4y ago
  I asked a question of chatgpt. --- Create a PR release in 10 paragraphs about Microsoft extending their partnership with OpenAI, by investing another $3.2 billion. Paragraph 1: Microsoft is excited to announce that it is extending its partnership with OpenAI by investing an additional $3.2 billion. This partnership has been a key driver of innovation and progress in the field of artificial intelligence, and we are thrilled to continue our work together. Paragraph 2: The investment will be used to support OpenAI's ongoing research and development efforts, as well as to expand the company's capabilities in areas such as machine learning, natural language processing, and computer vision. Paragraph 3: With this new investment, Microsoft and OpenAI will continue to push the boundaries of what is possible with AI, driving new breakthroughs and advancements in the field. Paragraph 4: This extended partnership will also enable Microsoft to bring the benefits of OpenAI's technology to its customers and partners, helping to drive new business opportunities and enable organizations to take advantage of the latest AI advances. Paragraph 5: In addition, Microsoft and OpenAI will be working together to promote responsible AI practices and ethical guidelines, ensuring that the technology is used in a way that is safe, fair, and transparent. Paragraph 6: The partnership between Microsoft and OpenAI has already resulted in some significant accomplishments, such as building a language model that can generate human-like text, and creating a new system for natural language understanding. Paragraph 7: With this new investment, the two companies will be able to take their collaboration to the next level, creating new possibilities for AI applications across various industries. Paragraph 8: Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said, "We are excited to continue our partnership with OpenAI to drive innovation and progress in the field of artificial intelligence. This new investment will enable us to bring the benefits of AI to more people and organizations around the world." Paragraph 9: OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said, "We are thrilled to be continuing our partnership with Microsoft. Their support and investment will allow us to continue to make significant advances in AI research, and bring the benefits of this technology to more people and organizations." Paragraph 10: The extended partnership between Microsoft and OpenAI is a major step forward for the field of artificial intelligence, and we are excited to see what the future holds. Together, we will continue to push the boundaries of what is possible and drive progress in this rapidly evolving field.
Kelteseth 4y ago
> We’ve also worked together to build OpenAI’s technology into apps like GitHub Copilot and Microsoft Designer. Good. I get better results from chatGpt than from Copilot. For example, often Copilot would invoke a bash command for copying a file in my python script, instead of using pythons buildin shutil.
- kixxauth 4y ago
  Copilot may be one of the most valuable early use cases for chat AI. I've been brushing off AI as overhyped, but this is very compelling. I believe the real crux of software engineering is thinking about the problem and organizing solutions today which can be changed/improved/iterated in the future. Programmers too often overweight the time it takes to type things (using short variable & function names or creating terse 1 liners). But if our objective is to make code easy to change/improve/iterate in the future, then it needs to be readable now. The nice autocomplete features in most IDEs have been a huge win to productivity along with Google search. I think chat AI could be an order of magnitude improvement.
  - revskill 4y ago
    Agree. At least it could help me read the library code and automate some tasks for me, like how to get some things from base class from library .
  - brookst 4y ago
    Copilot may be amazing, but I am having a hard time adapting. Writing code I'm in flow, and reviewing/debugging I'm in flow, but the constant appearance of suggestions that I need to evaluate for keep / fix / discard while writing is messing with my focus. This might just be the equivalent of the old guy complaining that typewriters are better than word processors.
ckastner 4y ago
> In pursuit of our mission to ensure advanced AI benefits all of humanity, OpenAI remains a capped-profit company and is governed by the OpenAI non-profit. This structure allows us to raise the capital we need to fulfill our mission without sacrificing our core beliefs about broadly sharing benefits and the need to prioritize safety. All this time, I was entirely unaware of this.
- Closi 4y ago
  The cap is 100x, so assuming Microsoft is investing billions in a current valuation of $29 billion as rumoured, the cap will only really come into place once OpenAI becomes the most valuable company in the world.
  - hsavit1 4y ago
    so pretty much another marketing stunt / scam
  - ckastner 4y ago
    It must have been in the first round [1], but leaves open the question of whether this is still the case: > Returns for our first round of investors are capped at 100x their investment (commensurate with the risks in front of us), and we expect this multiple to be lower for future rounds as we make further progress. [1] https://openai.com/blog/openai-lp/ https://openai.com/blog/openai-lp/
    - roflyear 4y ago
      Isn't this a wild cap? I'm not an expert but I am aware of private deals that are less than 10x for similar structures.
      - Kuinox 4y ago
        If they reach AGI, or more simply replace a chunk of workers with AIs, this isn't far fetched to reach these numbers.
willyyr 4y ago
Related MS announcement with some more details: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/01/23/microsoftandopenaiextendpartnership/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/01/23/microsoftandopen...
- layer8 4y ago
  “Microsoft will deploy OpenAI’s models across our consumer and enterprise products and introduce new categories of digital experiences built on OpenAI’s technology. This includes Microsoft’s Azure OpenAI Service [0], which empowers developers to build cutting-edge AI applications through direct access to OpenAI models backed by Azure’s trusted, enterprise-grade capabilities and AI-optimized infrastructure and tools.” [0] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/general-availability-of-azure-openai-service-expands-access-to-large-advanced-ai-models-with-added-enterprise-benefits/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/general-availability-...
marban 4y ago
Prompt: Create a PR smokescreen in 3 paragraphs with as little facts as possible.
- IncRnd 4y ago
  Paragraph 1: Our company has recently been at the center of some unfortunate rumors and false accusations. However, we want to assure our valued customers and shareholders that these claims are completely unfounded and without any merit. Paragraph 2: We are proud of the work we do and the products we provide to our customers. We have always maintained the highest standards of integrity and transparency in our business practices. Paragraph 3: We ask that the public not be swayed by the misinformation being spread by our detractors. We are confident that the truth will come out and our reputation will be cleared. In the meantime, we will continue to focus on delivering the best possible products and services to our customers.
- speedgoose 4y ago
  You can also do the reverse, taking the long article to extract the facts for a toddler: OpenAI and Microsoft are working together again, Microsoft is giving them a lot of money to help them make AI that is safe and helpful and they are excited to keep working together.
TekMol 4y ago
Related (?): Is ChatGPT down at the moment? When I visit it, I am getting a poem about how it is over capacity. And that's it.
- dagw 4y ago
  Is ChatGPT down at the moment? No, but ChatGPT is at full capacity which means that it will 'randomly' block new connections until load drops. Keep trying every 5 - 10 minutes and you'll eventually get in
  - drexlspivey 4y ago
    You can also pay for the new premium subscription for $42/month
    - codeisawesome 4y ago
      Can’t seem to do that while the thing is down… wonder why they didn’t choose to separate the payment UX from the actual product.
      - ricopags 4y ago
        Frustrated with the same question. The service doesn't need to be up to have a "buy pro and get in now" option. Seems like they're missing on ready conversions.
- return_to_monke 4y ago
  it seems to be constantly that way norwadays. I think they might give priority to paying API users, and of course by now there has been enough time for applications to implement chatgpt stuff.
oersted 4y ago
Is it public knowledge yet how much is the new "multibillion" investment?
rvz 4y ago
'Extend' Even capitalized and straight from the horses mouth, but as unsurprisingly predicted in: [0] > * OpenAI will gain further investment... We already know about ChatGPT Pro since that is a paid version of ChatGPT coming soon, meaning that the second prediction in [0] as also turned out to be true: > ...ChatGPT by then will become a paid service Now we wait until the startups depending on the service start to raise their prices. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34201706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34201706
- deleted 4y ago
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- ocdtrekkie 4y ago
  It's been over 25 years. It's really time to let this one go.
  - rvz 4y ago
    Yes. 25 Years and Microsoft has gotten much smarter with EEE. Making the best developer tools for free or at least close to free is another form of extinguish and they have just done that with OpenAI and GitHub.
    - ocdtrekkie 4y ago
      Nothing in tech is true for a quarter of a decade. Especially not when the guy who said this left the company twenty years ago. It's time to put this one to rest.
    - Spivak 4y ago
      > Making the best developer tools for free or at least close to free The bastards! Making and releasing high quality developer tools. We have to stop them! Has MS actually EEE'd anything in the last 25 years? I legit can't think of a single formerly-open thing that's been Microsofted via their own extensions.
      - 4y ago
Tempest1981 4y ago
> Azure’s unique architecture design has been crucial in delivering best-in-class performance and scale Is there something unique about Azure, which makes it well suited for AI?
- bfeynman 4y ago
  Other than just marketing BS, probably lack of customers who use GPUs. Both AWS and GCP have capacity issues. The biggest factor is also that Google is a direct competitor and invented the technology even, so obviously they will not cannibalize themselves by giving google more money to train its own models.
  - rospaya 4y ago
    Don't use GCP but I've only had capacity issues on Azure since covid hit.
    - whimsicalism 4y ago
      Interesting. My precovid experience was AWS was much harder to get GPU on.
  - vxNsr 4y ago
    That’s funny as the other commenter said, azure has had some crazy capacity issues, but maybe this is their benefit, they get first dibs.
- dharmab 4y ago
  You can get really good discounts if you're a major Microsoft partner.
- frusky 4y ago
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- coliveira 4y ago
  It will quickly chain you to Microsoft products, that's the uniqueness.
ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
2023 is the year of Bing, calling it now.
- SomeDog76 4y ago
  I have the feeling Bing is on the way to overtake Google even without OpenAI, recently google results seem to struggle more and more. Whenever I am trying to remember a word, if I type something similliar sounding google will give me no results at all. Bing (I use DDG which serves Bing results) will most of the time figure out what I was trying to find.
  - lancesells 4y ago
    I'm a DDG user as well and I feel it's getting loaded with spam links much like Google. Usually my most confident searches are watching a YouTube video on what I'm looking for. I would prefer text to video but it seems that's where we're headed until video becomes cheaper than text to produce (unlikely).
    - zalyh 4y ago
      Same here, it pisses me off to see a lot of those spam sites being ranked that high on google. YouTube is a mixed bag too particularly when you trying to troubleshoot an issue or learn more about a particular feature of Product X. All you get are reviews of Product X returned from the search.
  - mejutoco 4y ago
    In my experience, if anything, Google tries too hard to guess what I mean, not the opposite.
- davidy123 4y ago
  That really depends on how much the public accepts results without sources, aka no credit, aka rampant breaking of social norms and copyright, as well as destroying the easy ability to verify something. In many ways, OpenAI and anyone who supports it are trying to pull an Uber here, but shift the Overton on something indescribably larger than transportation licenses. They want to Borg global intelligence (though, of course, they will be in control). Say what you will about Google, they generally credit their sources. Yes, it's part of their advertising model, but it's still a Very Good Thing. I hope that Google's plan is to release something that continues this model. If it's near as good at ChatGPT and strongly includes sources, it is the right future.
ddmma 4y ago
GTP3 can generate some good press releases. I presume that by integration of the Open AI services into the bing and MS Office, Microsoft’s mission (empowero every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more) makes lot of sense.
jacooper 4y ago
Microsoft is handling the AI revolution extremely well. They see the potential brand damage that comes with a such a product, so they probably just hold less than 50% of the company, to be able to say "this is not us". Which then allows openAI to experiment and wow people, while google is anxious about showing 10% of its crazy AI capabilities to avoid potential PR disasters.
- cableshaft 4y ago
  What are you talking about? All you have to do is make an A.I. robot dance and crack wise, and your golden. At least that's what the game Borderlands taught me.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    I was 100% sure you were talking about Boston Dynamics before that last sentence.
    - consumer451 4y ago
      I somewhat recall their CEO saying something like "my job is to get YouTube views" in an interview. edit: To clarify, I think he was only half-serious.
      - moffkalast 4y ago
        Now I'm curious what the hell is the CMO's job then.
        jacooper 4y ago
        Make it possible
        moffkalast 4y ago
        Nah that's the CTO.
wangii 4y ago
in tech history, one would be screwed in such partnership. the question is whom?
- ActionHank 4y ago
  Microsoft is.
mritchie712 4y ago
> Azure’s unique architecture design has been crucial in delivering best-in-class performance and scale for our AI training and inference workloads translation: Microsoft is not Google (who wishes we'd explode).
T3RMINATED 4y ago
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adpirz 4y ago
For people more well versed in this space: does GPT / OpenAI more broadly have a meaningful moat? It seems like there will be a number of these models out there and this isn't as great as say Google's up-till-now advantage in search relevancy.
- thethimble 4y ago
  It seems like the fine tune dataset to go from GPT -> ChatGPT is pretty valuable, particularly because it is proprietary. Still, I agree with your characterization that we should see many similar models over time. As an example, see Deepmind’s Sparrow: https://www.deepmind.com/blog/building-safer-dialogue-agents https://www.deepmind.com/blog/building-safer-dialogue-agents
  - lmeyerov 4y ago
    Yes & No. GPT <> ChatGPT: probably not. It's not hard for other big players to enter this space. It's mostly egg-on-face for Google that they haven't given that Google basically invented the model that OpenAI uses and has big versions internally. There's nothing fundamental stopping Google Docs from adding ChatGPT to their UI and getting way more consumer training data than OpenAI can get without a similar play, or for Apple to do something. Similar to what happened with mapping software, google/microsoft/azure & chinese equivs will all offer with similar competitiveness, and then complements like facebook/salesforce will do more OSS to compete against. That's already begun. Copilot: The interesting proprietary advantage IMO is program synthesis. It's really enabled by Microsoft VSCode <> Github <> OpenAI. Without even doing any AI investments, the winner of this fight might be Gitlab, as Google/AWS/Saleforce/etc decide what to do. Before gitlab might have been a nice vehicle for shift-left sales (cloud hosting, security scans, ..), but program synthesis UIs can make Software 2.0 real.
    - mejutoco 4y ago
      > There's nothing fundamental stopping Google Docs from adding ChatGPT to their UI and getting way more consumer training data than OpenAI can get without a similar play. OpenAI could get exactly the same (or more, idk) data by integrating into Teams, considering the Microsoft partnership.
la64710 4y ago
> So, we’ve partnered with Microsoft to deploy our technology through our API and the Azure OpenAI Service — enabling enterprise and developers to build on top of GPT, DALL·E, and Codex. I wonder how much of choice will enterprises or large customers have in deciding what data to not send to Microsoft to train their models. If OpenAI is tightly integrated to all Microsoft products this may be a real concern.
Fostewrs 4y ago
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sheerun 4y ago
Your data belongs to us
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alberth 4y ago
Model Governance? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like some type of 3rd party Model Governance should be happening. Is it?
grogenaut 4y ago
Somewhat off topic, does someone know how bing might integrate chat gpt into search. Is it to understand the prompt and filter results. Taking the question and summarizing it to search the index. Is it to summarize all the documents into an index and search that. Or to just be like chat gpt is now and use it to generate new results from it's knowledge base? I'm trying to connect the dots between a generative form like these are and how it would influence search in the future. Or is the lucene style index search on it's way out in a generative world?
- mirker 4y ago
  Easiest way would be to classify the query to go to either Bing proper or ChatGPT. Example: “What is today’s date?” -> Bing “Write a rap song about hippos” -> ChatGPT
londons_explore 4y ago
Let me translate this blog post out of corpspeak...: OpenAI has agreed to use Azure exclusively and for free, in return for Azure massively scaling up it's GPU capacity (which OpenAI was hitting before, hence threatening to move). In return, OpenAI gives an extensive license to Microsoft to use ChatGPT in Bing (and other products). Now why couldn't the blog post have just said that rather than hiding all the details?
- diogopublio 4y ago
  I am 100% pro for a clear and direct communication, in fact this is what ChatGPT does haha
- kenjackson 4y ago
  What happens to the non-profit aspect of OpenAI as a result of this deal? How much money are we talking about, that is, what's the scale of the deal? Do you have any proof that building on Azure will work for OpenAI?
  - kranke155 4y ago
    I don't even understand how there IS a non-profit aspect to OpenAI at this point? Honestly DeepMind seems to be doing far more important work. Health etc.
  - funnymony 4y ago
    Accounting tricks will make it look zero profit.
- bayindirh 4y ago
  Because they didn't want to openly say "Microsoft gives us GPUs and allows us to use them for free, hence practically buys us. In return we almost exclusively license what we produce to them, for free." Because it looks bad. Microsoft wants to be seen in a different light, and OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. It's all smoke and mirrors.
rpmisms 4y ago
This feels like an inflection point. Microsoft obviously sees huge upside, they're forking over a lot of value for this, and they must be expecting huge growth. Maybe Bing will be an amazing search engine in a couple years...
chabes 4y ago
“Learn to code.” That’s what folks were crassly saying to truck drivers, baristas, and cashiers. The writing was/is on the wall: AI is only going to get more powerful and able to be applied to more and more complex tasks. The thought was that “unskilled” labor would be the lowest hanging fruit, that automated AI - with some (but minimal) human oversight - would replace serious chunks of the workforce in various minimum-wage and “blue collar” sectors. Machines don’t necessarily need to sleep, they don’t have labor unions, or laws that require healthcare or overtime pay. They don’t get upset, take things personally, seek revenge, or reciprocity like a person. Sounds like that could be a threat to many kinds of jobs, many of them “bullshit jobs” (in the words of Graeber), but others as well. It seems (to me, at least) that the more immanent threat is text-based AI - with some human oversight - replacing large swaths of the tech workforce (many of whom were leading the narrative about the truck drivers). The incentives for companies like Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and others, to go this route are obvious, beyond the stated reasons why “low-skilled” labor is at risk. They already have enormous investments, acquisitions, projects, established platforms, and infrastructure related to AI. I expect to see more partnerships like the one between Microsoft and OpenAI, from all of the major tech companies. I also believe the connection between the acquisitions/partnerships and the mass layoffs will become more and more obvious as these acquisitions/partnerships continue to happen. I can’t be the only person that is noticing this…
- kranke155 4y ago
  It will take 10 years for folks to realize the layoffs/unemployment are AI, 20-30 years for a coherent political movement to show up that lays out a post-AI-labour society. In the meantime, rocky road.
- Der_Einzige 4y ago
  A lot of very smart people, both within NLP research, and here, are in complete denial about what the proliferation of high quality LLMs means for their jobs and earning potential. The only thing which makes me less sad is that I'm pretty sure Moravecs paradox is actually not all that real, but is more due to the relative lack of engineering interest put on solving continuous control problems. Apparently reinforcement learning on transformers works now (RLHF in ChatGPT). This implies that we should see high effective continuous control models very soon. Robots are coming for physical labor, it'll just take a bit longer. Shit man, when I was last in South Korea, I felt like I was living in the future. They had many "24/7" drink cafe's where it's literally just a robot arm that makes the drink for you for a few dollars. It is painfully ironic to knowledge workers that they are destroying their own earning potential, but physical labor is not safe. Nothing is safe.
eternalban 4y ago
This technology is powerful and disruptive enough to merit social oversight. We get caught up in the wonder of the novel mechanisms and philosophical wanderings, whereas those who have the means to field this technology are effectively creating facts on the ground as we muse about it. As just one dimension, let's briefly review education limited to testing. Options here range from (paid) cooperation between institutions and companies, to marketplaces for detection technology and testing systems, to complete rethink of testing at the institutional level, to regulatory intervention. The dynamics and outcomes resulting from considering the above before or after widely available and improving LLMs are a fact of life, are possibly very different. We haven't yet crossed the Rubicon here and not sitting as captive spectators in a theater of ultra rich remains an option.
raajg 4y ago
I asked ChatGPT to write a poem based on this post. Here's what it wrote: --- Two hearts, two minds, working side by side In pursuit of a mission to make AI safe and wide Microsoft’s investment allows us to stay true To our capped-profit company, our mission, and you From cloud computing to real-world use We collaborate to ensure our systems are not abused OpenAI API, Azure’s OpenAI Service, and Designer too We’re working side by side to make our visions come true Together we review, together we synthesize Together we build, together we realize The potential of advanced AI that’s powerful and safe Ensuring its benefits can be shared far and wide
- unity1001 4y ago
  > Microsoft’s investment allows us to stay true > To our capped-profit company, our mission, and you Priceless. Maybe companies should get AI to write PR releases. They say the same thing, except more honestly and funnier.
impulser_ 4y ago
Microsoft being late to the party is going to cost them a lot of money. Google and Facebook are the clear leaders in AI and they been spending a lot of money building out their AI infrastructure over the last decade. You haven't heard much about Microsoft's investments other than them buying rights to OpenAI models. Seems like they could have saved a lot of money if they started investing years ago. Google bought DeepMind for 400m 8 years ago. You could argue DeepMind is on the same level or above OpenAI.
- zalyh 4y ago
  I mean, are they late to all the parties though? I think ChatGPT has the momentum to corner the end-user market. It's one of the best tools out there that can help writers, developers and any profession that uses text communication. Google and Facebook might be better at some things, and maybe Apple too. But none of them has brought to market a chatbot that works pretty well(and not just as a party trick) and is very accessible to anyone on the Internet. I would love it if open up Siri such that I can communicate with it on a site just like ChatGPT.
- quonn 4y ago
  400m then, which is more now and it also didn‘t run for free the last eight years. Google and Facebook may have good research teams, but so far they don‘t seem to be able to use them to ship products (with some exceptions, mostly incremental improvements to quality of existing products) and that‘s what will count.
s1k3s 4y ago
> This multi-year, multi-billion dollar investment from Microsoft follows their previous investments in 2019 and 2021, and will allow us to continue our independent research and develop AI that is increasingly safe, useful, and powerful. I laughed at independent research. Why do they even bother..
scifibestfi 4y ago
Google recently said they are recalibrating the level of risk they're willing to take with releasing this technology. OpenAI's CEO responded saying > "recalibrate" means "increase" obviously. > disappointing to see this six-week development. openai will continually decrease the level of risk we are comfortable taking with new models as they get more powerful, not the other way around. How does this resolve? OpenAI not releasing something isn't going to stop Google or another player from releasing it. Won't they have to recalibrate too or be overtaken? Pandora's box is already open.
- beams_of_light 4y ago
  I've heard from Google employees that the internal AI they use is better than ChatGPT, but the leadership doesn't want to make it generally available.
ilaksh 4y ago
If I'm understanding this, the Codex model like code-davinci-002 and limited to 10-20 requests per minute on OpenAI, is now "generally" available through "Azure OpenAI Service" BUT - you still have to apply to https://customervoice.microsoft.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=v4j5cvGGr0GRqy180BHbR7en2Ais5pxKtso_Pz4b1_xUOFA5Qk1UWDRBMjg0WFhPMkIzTzhKQ1dWNyQlQCN0PWcu&culture=en-us&country=us https://customervoice.microsoft.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?... - you will be rejected if you use a personal email address - you will be rejected if you are not a "managed customer" - you will be rejected if.. Microsoft thinks you are a real competitor to any of their products? So my site aidev.codes is will be dead in the water if I can't navigate these things or afford the "managed" part. What is that? I don't know what a "managed customer" is but I assume its very expensive. I mean, this is really the opposite of Open. Or am I missing something? Is it really generally available and they took all of that stuff off? BTW I am looking for an investor: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34494480 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34494480
- jacooper 4y ago
  > I mean, this is really the opposite of Open. Cocks gun, Always has been https://en.meming.world/wiki/Always_has_been https://en.meming.world/wiki/Always_has_been OpenAI was never really open in the first place.
  - ilaksh 4y ago
    Right.. I know.. have been telling people that.. there just doesn't seem to be anything equivalent as an alternative. code-davinci-002 is amazing. Way better than Tabnine for example (in my limited testing) and also much better that text-davinci-003. for code. The open source programming LLMs I saw were kind of a joke compared to OpenAI's models.
- ilaksh 4y ago
  FYI I asked their sales chat what is a "managed customer".. I am not sure if it was really a person or not. Possibly a bot. But they never really defined it, but took down my info and said a "relevant partner would contact me ASAP".
bogomipz 4y ago
The post states: >"Azure’s unique architecture design has been crucial in delivering best-in-class performance and scale for our AI training and inference workloads." Can someone say what is unique about the Azure cloud architecture here vs other cloud vendors?
bogomipz 4y ago
The WSJ article on this announcement states: >"OpenAI was in talks this month to sell existing shares in a tender offer that would value the company at around $29 billion, The Wall Street Journal reported, making it one of the most valuable U.S. startups on paper despite generating little revenue." Can anyone say why they wouldn't have gone that route? Is that valuation possibly based on market condition from a year ago? [1] https://archive.is/slxcE https://archive.is/slxcE
rejectfinite 4y ago
With OpenAI + Office 365 search, Bing is actually going to be sick. I already like the layout better than Google.

457 points by hmate9 4y ago

Right after firing 11,000 employees...

Tempest1981 4y ago

> Azure’s unique architecture design has been crucial in delivering best-in-class performance and scale Is there something unique about Azure, which makes it well suited for AI? (vs AWS or GCP)

aabhay 4y ago
They have ten billion dollars

hmate9 4y ago

This blog post offers no specific detail about the partnership (dollars involved and terms). Are those details public somewhere else?

ffhhj 4y ago

They are running at capacity now. Can they scale fast enough?

lopis 4y ago
They are running at capacity for free users. They will be able to afford much higher capacity with MS money, and probably stop providing the service for free soon.
- cactusplant7374 4y ago
  One request costs about 1 cent to process? Is that what Altman is saying?
- ilaksh 4y ago
  The APIs requests for the text-davinci-003 model released around the same time as ChatGPT also frequently fail with 503 errors.
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bfeynman 4y ago
they aren't running out of capacity, they just can't afford 100k+ a day in compute. Number of users who will pay will be much less so I doubt they will have problems
ddmma 4y ago
They create the need by building limitations on the free tier.
dragonwriter 4y ago
They have as many frre users as they are willing to pay for to present a free demo; rest assured that the fee for paid users is more than sufficient to pay for whatever capacity they need.

rmac 4y ago

author: no one quotes in article: none dates / timelines for partnership deliverables: none was this written by chatgpt?

jay-barronville 4y ago
The “author” appears to be “OpenAI” (i.e., posting on behalf of the company) and they’ve posted like that numerous times before [1]. [1]: https://openai.com/blog/authors/openai https://openai.com/blog/authors/openai
- moffkalast 4y ago
  I'll take that as a yes.
IncRnd 4y ago
I asked a question of chatgpt. --- Create a PR release in 10 paragraphs about Microsoft extending their partnership with OpenAI, by investing another $3.2 billion. Paragraph 1: Microsoft is excited to announce that it is extending its partnership with OpenAI by investing an additional $3.2 billion. This partnership has been a key driver of innovation and progress in the field of artificial intelligence, and we are thrilled to continue our work together. Paragraph 2: The investment will be used to support OpenAI's ongoing research and development efforts, as well as to expand the company's capabilities in areas such as machine learning, natural language processing, and computer vision. Paragraph 3: With this new investment, Microsoft and OpenAI will continue to push the boundaries of what is possible with AI, driving new breakthroughs and advancements in the field. Paragraph 4: This extended partnership will also enable Microsoft to bring the benefits of OpenAI's technology to its customers and partners, helping to drive new business opportunities and enable organizations to take advantage of the latest AI advances. Paragraph 5: In addition, Microsoft and OpenAI will be working together to promote responsible AI practices and ethical guidelines, ensuring that the technology is used in a way that is safe, fair, and transparent. Paragraph 6: The partnership between Microsoft and OpenAI has already resulted in some significant accomplishments, such as building a language model that can generate human-like text, and creating a new system for natural language understanding. Paragraph 7: With this new investment, the two companies will be able to take their collaboration to the next level, creating new possibilities for AI applications across various industries. Paragraph 8: Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said, "We are excited to continue our partnership with OpenAI to drive innovation and progress in the field of artificial intelligence. This new investment will enable us to bring the benefits of AI to more people and organizations around the world." Paragraph 9: OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said, "We are thrilled to be continuing our partnership with Microsoft. Their support and investment will allow us to continue to make significant advances in AI research, and bring the benefits of this technology to more people and organizations." Paragraph 10: The extended partnership between Microsoft and OpenAI is a major step forward for the field of artificial intelligence, and we are excited to see what the future holds. Together, we will continue to push the boundaries of what is possible and drive progress in this rapidly evolving field.

Kelteseth 4y ago

> We’ve also worked together to build OpenAI’s technology into apps like GitHub Copilot and Microsoft Designer. Good. I get better results from chatGpt than from Copilot. For example, often Copilot would invoke a bash command for copying a file in my python script, instead of using pythons buildin shutil.

kixxauth 4y ago
Copilot may be one of the most valuable early use cases for chat AI. I've been brushing off AI as overhyped, but this is very compelling. I believe the real crux of software engineering is thinking about the problem and organizing solutions today which can be changed/improved/iterated in the future. Programmers too often overweight the time it takes to type things (using short variable & function names or creating terse 1 liners). But if our objective is to make code easy to change/improve/iterate in the future, then it needs to be readable now. The nice autocomplete features in most IDEs have been a huge win to productivity along with Google search. I think chat AI could be an order of magnitude improvement.
- revskill 4y ago
  Agree. At least it could help me read the library code and automate some tasks for me, like how to get some things from base class from library .
- brookst 4y ago
  Copilot may be amazing, but I am having a hard time adapting. Writing code I'm in flow, and reviewing/debugging I'm in flow, but the constant appearance of suggestions that I need to evaluate for keep / fix / discard while writing is messing with my focus. This might just be the equivalent of the old guy complaining that typewriters are better than word processors.

ckastner 4y ago

> In pursuit of our mission to ensure advanced AI benefits all of humanity, OpenAI remains a capped-profit company and is governed by the OpenAI non-profit. This structure allows us to raise the capital we need to fulfill our mission without sacrificing our core beliefs about broadly sharing benefits and the need to prioritize safety. All this time, I was entirely unaware of this.

Closi 4y ago
The cap is 100x, so assuming Microsoft is investing billions in a current valuation of $29 billion as rumoured, the cap will only really come into place once OpenAI becomes the most valuable company in the world.
- hsavit1 4y ago
  so pretty much another marketing stunt / scam
- ckastner 4y ago
  It must have been in the first round [1], but leaves open the question of whether this is still the case: > Returns for our first round of investors are capped at 100x their investment (commensurate with the risks in front of us), and we expect this multiple to be lower for future rounds as we make further progress. [1] https://openai.com/blog/openai-lp/ https://openai.com/blog/openai-lp/
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Isn't this a wild cap? I'm not an expert but I am aware of private deals that are less than 10x for similar structures.
    - Kuinox 4y ago
      If they reach AGI, or more simply replace a chunk of workers with AIs, this isn't far fetched to reach these numbers.

willyyr 4y ago

Related MS announcement with some more details: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/01/23/microsoftandopenaiextendpartnership/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/01/23/microsoftandopen...

layer8 4y ago
“Microsoft will deploy OpenAI’s models across our consumer and enterprise products and introduce new categories of digital experiences built on OpenAI’s technology. This includes Microsoft’s Azure OpenAI Service [0], which empowers developers to build cutting-edge AI applications through direct access to OpenAI models backed by Azure’s trusted, enterprise-grade capabilities and AI-optimized infrastructure and tools.” [0] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/general-availability-of-azure-openai-service-expands-access-to-large-advanced-ai-models-with-added-enterprise-benefits/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/general-availability-...

marban 4y ago

Prompt: Create a PR smokescreen in 3 paragraphs with as little facts as possible.

IncRnd 4y ago
Paragraph 1: Our company has recently been at the center of some unfortunate rumors and false accusations. However, we want to assure our valued customers and shareholders that these claims are completely unfounded and without any merit. Paragraph 2: We are proud of the work we do and the products we provide to our customers. We have always maintained the highest standards of integrity and transparency in our business practices. Paragraph 3: We ask that the public not be swayed by the misinformation being spread by our detractors. We are confident that the truth will come out and our reputation will be cleared. In the meantime, we will continue to focus on delivering the best possible products and services to our customers.
speedgoose 4y ago
You can also do the reverse, taking the long article to extract the facts for a toddler: OpenAI and Microsoft are working together again, Microsoft is giving them a lot of money to help them make AI that is safe and helpful and they are excited to keep working together.

TekMol 4y ago

Related (?): Is ChatGPT down at the moment? When I visit it, I am getting a poem about how it is over capacity. And that's it.

dagw 4y ago
Is ChatGPT down at the moment? No, but ChatGPT is at full capacity which means that it will 'randomly' block new connections until load drops. Keep trying every 5 - 10 minutes and you'll eventually get in
- drexlspivey 4y ago
  You can also pay for the new premium subscription for $42/month
  - codeisawesome 4y ago
    Can’t seem to do that while the thing is down… wonder why they didn’t choose to separate the payment UX from the actual product.
    - ricopags 4y ago
      Frustrated with the same question. The service doesn't need to be up to have a "buy pro and get in now" option. Seems like they're missing on ready conversions.
return_to_monke 4y ago
it seems to be constantly that way norwadays. I think they might give priority to paying API users, and of course by now there has been enough time for applications to implement chatgpt stuff.

oersted 4y ago

Is it public knowledge yet how much is the new "multibillion" investment?

rvz 4y ago

'Extend' Even capitalized and straight from the horses mouth, but as unsurprisingly predicted in: [0] > * OpenAI will gain further investment... We already know about ChatGPT Pro since that is a paid version of ChatGPT coming soon, meaning that the second prediction in [0] as also turned out to be true: > ...ChatGPT by then will become a paid service Now we wait until the startups depending on the service start to raise their prices. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34201706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34201706

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ocdtrekkie 4y ago
It's been over 25 years. It's really time to let this one go.
- rvz 4y ago
  Yes. 25 Years and Microsoft has gotten much smarter with EEE. Making the best developer tools for free or at least close to free is another form of extinguish and they have just done that with OpenAI and GitHub.
  - ocdtrekkie 4y ago
    Nothing in tech is true for a quarter of a decade. Especially not when the guy who said this left the company twenty years ago. It's time to put this one to rest.
  - Spivak 4y ago
    > Making the best developer tools for free or at least close to free The bastards! Making and releasing high quality developer tools. We have to stop them! Has MS actually EEE'd anything in the last 25 years? I legit can't think of a single formerly-open thing that's been Microsofted via their own extensions.
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Tempest1981 4y ago

> Azure’s unique architecture design has been crucial in delivering best-in-class performance and scale Is there something unique about Azure, which makes it well suited for AI?

bfeynman 4y ago
Other than just marketing BS, probably lack of customers who use GPUs. Both AWS and GCP have capacity issues. The biggest factor is also that Google is a direct competitor and invented the technology even, so obviously they will not cannibalize themselves by giving google more money to train its own models.
- rospaya 4y ago
  Don't use GCP but I've only had capacity issues on Azure since covid hit.
  - whimsicalism 4y ago
    Interesting. My precovid experience was AWS was much harder to get GPU on.
- vxNsr 4y ago
  That’s funny as the other commenter said, azure has had some crazy capacity issues, but maybe this is their benefit, they get first dibs.
dharmab 4y ago
You can get really good discounts if you're a major Microsoft partner.
frusky 4y ago
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coliveira 4y ago
It will quickly chain you to Microsoft products, that's the uniqueness.

ThrowawayTestr 4y ago

2023 is the year of Bing, calling it now.

SomeDog76 4y ago
I have the feeling Bing is on the way to overtake Google even without OpenAI, recently google results seem to struggle more and more. Whenever I am trying to remember a word, if I type something similliar sounding google will give me no results at all. Bing (I use DDG which serves Bing results) will most of the time figure out what I was trying to find.
- lancesells 4y ago
  I'm a DDG user as well and I feel it's getting loaded with spam links much like Google. Usually my most confident searches are watching a YouTube video on what I'm looking for. I would prefer text to video but it seems that's where we're headed until video becomes cheaper than text to produce (unlikely).
  - zalyh 4y ago
    Same here, it pisses me off to see a lot of those spam sites being ranked that high on google. YouTube is a mixed bag too particularly when you trying to troubleshoot an issue or learn more about a particular feature of Product X. All you get are reviews of Product X returned from the search.
- mejutoco 4y ago
  In my experience, if anything, Google tries too hard to guess what I mean, not the opposite.
davidy123 4y ago
That really depends on how much the public accepts results without sources, aka no credit, aka rampant breaking of social norms and copyright, as well as destroying the easy ability to verify something. In many ways, OpenAI and anyone who supports it are trying to pull an Uber here, but shift the Overton on something indescribably larger than transportation licenses. They want to Borg global intelligence (though, of course, they will be in control). Say what you will about Google, they generally credit their sources. Yes, it's part of their advertising model, but it's still a Very Good Thing. I hope that Google's plan is to release something that continues this model. If it's near as good at ChatGPT and strongly includes sources, it is the right future.

ddmma 4y ago

GTP3 can generate some good press releases. I presume that by integration of the Open AI services into the bing and MS Office, Microsoft’s mission (empowero every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more) makes lot of sense.

jacooper 4y ago

Microsoft is handling the AI revolution extremely well. They see the potential brand damage that comes with a such a product, so they probably just hold less than 50% of the company, to be able to say "this is not us". Which then allows openAI to experiment and wow people, while google is anxious about showing 10% of its crazy AI capabilities to avoid potential PR disasters.

cableshaft 4y ago
What are you talking about? All you have to do is make an A.I. robot dance and crack wise, and your golden. At least that's what the game Borderlands taught me.
- capableweb 4y ago
  I was 100% sure you were talking about Boston Dynamics before that last sentence.
  - consumer451 4y ago
    I somewhat recall their CEO saying something like "my job is to get YouTube views" in an interview. edit: To clarify, I think he was only half-serious.
    - moffkalast 4y ago
      Now I'm curious what the hell is the CMO's job then.
      - jacooper 4y ago
        Make it possible
        moffkalast 4y ago
        Nah that's the CTO.

wangii 4y ago

in tech history, one would be screwed in such partnership. the question is whom?

ActionHank 4y ago
Microsoft is.

mritchie712 4y ago

> Azure’s unique architecture design has been crucial in delivering best-in-class performance and scale for our AI training and inference workloads translation: Microsoft is not Google (who wishes we'd explode).

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adpirz 4y ago

For people more well versed in this space: does GPT / OpenAI more broadly have a meaningful moat? It seems like there will be a number of these models out there and this isn't as great as say Google's up-till-now advantage in search relevancy.

thethimble 4y ago
It seems like the fine tune dataset to go from GPT -> ChatGPT is pretty valuable, particularly because it is proprietary. Still, I agree with your characterization that we should see many similar models over time. As an example, see Deepmind’s Sparrow: https://www.deepmind.com/blog/building-safer-dialogue-agents https://www.deepmind.com/blog/building-safer-dialogue-agents
- lmeyerov 4y ago
  Yes & No. GPT <> ChatGPT: probably not. It's not hard for other big players to enter this space. It's mostly egg-on-face for Google that they haven't given that Google basically invented the model that OpenAI uses and has big versions internally. There's nothing fundamental stopping Google Docs from adding ChatGPT to their UI and getting way more consumer training data than OpenAI can get without a similar play, or for Apple to do something. Similar to what happened with mapping software, google/microsoft/azure & chinese equivs will all offer with similar competitiveness, and then complements like facebook/salesforce will do more OSS to compete against. That's already begun. Copilot: The interesting proprietary advantage IMO is program synthesis. It's really enabled by Microsoft VSCode <> Github <> OpenAI. Without even doing any AI investments, the winner of this fight might be Gitlab, as Google/AWS/Saleforce/etc decide what to do. Before gitlab might have been a nice vehicle for shift-left sales (cloud hosting, security scans, ..), but program synthesis UIs can make Software 2.0 real.
  - mejutoco 4y ago
    > There's nothing fundamental stopping Google Docs from adding ChatGPT to their UI and getting way more consumer training data than OpenAI can get without a similar play. OpenAI could get exactly the same (or more, idk) data by integrating into Teams, considering the Microsoft partnership.

la64710 4y ago

> So, we’ve partnered with Microsoft to deploy our technology through our API and the Azure OpenAI Service — enabling enterprise and developers to build on top of GPT, DALL·E, and Codex. I wonder how much of choice will enterprises or large customers have in deciding what data to not send to Microsoft to train their models. If OpenAI is tightly integrated to all Microsoft products this may be a real concern.

Fostewrs 4y ago

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sheerun 4y ago

Your data belongs to us

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alberth 4y ago

Model Governance? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like some type of 3rd party Model Governance should be happening. Is it?

grogenaut 4y ago

Somewhat off topic, does someone know how bing might integrate chat gpt into search. Is it to understand the prompt and filter results. Taking the question and summarizing it to search the index. Is it to summarize all the documents into an index and search that. Or to just be like chat gpt is now and use it to generate new results from it's knowledge base? I'm trying to connect the dots between a generative form like these are and how it would influence search in the future. Or is the lucene style index search on it's way out in a generative world?

mirker 4y ago
Easiest way would be to classify the query to go to either Bing proper or ChatGPT. Example: “What is today’s date?” -> Bing “Write a rap song about hippos” -> ChatGPT

londons_explore 4y ago

Let me translate this blog post out of corpspeak...: OpenAI has agreed to use Azure exclusively and for free, in return for Azure massively scaling up it's GPU capacity (which OpenAI was hitting before, hence threatening to move). In return, OpenAI gives an extensive license to Microsoft to use ChatGPT in Bing (and other products). Now why couldn't the blog post have just said that rather than hiding all the details?

diogopublio 4y ago
I am 100% pro for a clear and direct communication, in fact this is what ChatGPT does haha
kenjackson 4y ago
What happens to the non-profit aspect of OpenAI as a result of this deal? How much money are we talking about, that is, what's the scale of the deal? Do you have any proof that building on Azure will work for OpenAI?
- kranke155 4y ago
  I don't even understand how there IS a non-profit aspect to OpenAI at this point? Honestly DeepMind seems to be doing far more important work. Health etc.
- funnymony 4y ago
  Accounting tricks will make it look zero profit.
bayindirh 4y ago
Because they didn't want to openly say "Microsoft gives us GPUs and allows us to use them for free, hence practically buys us. In return we almost exclusively license what we produce to them, for free." Because it looks bad. Microsoft wants to be seen in a different light, and OpenAI wants to be perceived as an open, academic, capped-profit for a noble reason collective. It's all smoke and mirrors.

rpmisms 4y ago

This feels like an inflection point. Microsoft obviously sees huge upside, they're forking over a lot of value for this, and they must be expecting huge growth. Maybe Bing will be an amazing search engine in a couple years...

chabes 4y ago

“Learn to code.” That’s what folks were crassly saying to truck drivers, baristas, and cashiers. The writing was/is on the wall: AI is only going to get more powerful and able to be applied to more and more complex tasks. The thought was that “unskilled” labor would be the lowest hanging fruit, that automated AI - with some (but minimal) human oversight - would replace serious chunks of the workforce in various minimum-wage and “blue collar” sectors. Machines don’t necessarily need to sleep, they don’t have labor unions, or laws that require healthcare or overtime pay. They don’t get upset, take things personally, seek revenge, or reciprocity like a person. Sounds like that could be a threat to many kinds of jobs, many of them “bullshit jobs” (in the words of Graeber), but others as well. It seems (to me, at least) that the more immanent threat is text-based AI - with some human oversight - replacing large swaths of the tech workforce (many of whom were leading the narrative about the truck drivers). The incentives for companies like Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and others, to go this route are obvious, beyond the stated reasons why “low-skilled” labor is at risk. They already have enormous investments, acquisitions, projects, established platforms, and infrastructure related to AI. I expect to see more partnerships like the one between Microsoft and OpenAI, from all of the major tech companies. I also believe the connection between the acquisitions/partnerships and the mass layoffs will become more and more obvious as these acquisitions/partnerships continue to happen. I can’t be the only person that is noticing this…

kranke155 4y ago
It will take 10 years for folks to realize the layoffs/unemployment are AI, 20-30 years for a coherent political movement to show up that lays out a post-AI-labour society. In the meantime, rocky road.
Der_Einzige 4y ago
A lot of very smart people, both within NLP research, and here, are in complete denial about what the proliferation of high quality LLMs means for their jobs and earning potential. The only thing which makes me less sad is that I'm pretty sure Moravecs paradox is actually not all that real, but is more due to the relative lack of engineering interest put on solving continuous control problems. Apparently reinforcement learning on transformers works now (RLHF in ChatGPT). This implies that we should see high effective continuous control models very soon. Robots are coming for physical labor, it'll just take a bit longer. Shit man, when I was last in South Korea, I felt like I was living in the future. They had many "24/7" drink cafe's where it's literally just a robot arm that makes the drink for you for a few dollars. It is painfully ironic to knowledge workers that they are destroying their own earning potential, but physical labor is not safe. Nothing is safe.

eternalban 4y ago

This technology is powerful and disruptive enough to merit social oversight. We get caught up in the wonder of the novel mechanisms and philosophical wanderings, whereas those who have the means to field this technology are effectively creating facts on the ground as we muse about it. As just one dimension, let's briefly review education limited to testing. Options here range from (paid) cooperation between institutions and companies, to marketplaces for detection technology and testing systems, to complete rethink of testing at the institutional level, to regulatory intervention. The dynamics and outcomes resulting from considering the above before or after widely available and improving LLMs are a fact of life, are possibly very different. We haven't yet crossed the Rubicon here and not sitting as captive spectators in a theater of ultra rich remains an option.

raajg 4y ago

I asked ChatGPT to write a poem based on this post. Here's what it wrote: --- Two hearts, two minds, working side by side In pursuit of a mission to make AI safe and wide Microsoft’s investment allows us to stay true To our capped-profit company, our mission, and you From cloud computing to real-world use We collaborate to ensure our systems are not abused OpenAI API, Azure’s OpenAI Service, and Designer too We’re working side by side to make our visions come true Together we review, together we synthesize Together we build, together we realize The potential of advanced AI that’s powerful and safe Ensuring its benefits can be shared far and wide

unity1001 4y ago
> Microsoft’s investment allows us to stay true > To our capped-profit company, our mission, and you Priceless. Maybe companies should get AI to write PR releases. They say the same thing, except more honestly and funnier.

impulser_ 4y ago

Microsoft being late to the party is going to cost them a lot of money. Google and Facebook are the clear leaders in AI and they been spending a lot of money building out their AI infrastructure over the last decade. You haven't heard much about Microsoft's investments other than them buying rights to OpenAI models. Seems like they could have saved a lot of money if they started investing years ago. Google bought DeepMind for 400m 8 years ago. You could argue DeepMind is on the same level or above OpenAI.

zalyh 4y ago
I mean, are they late to all the parties though? I think ChatGPT has the momentum to corner the end-user market. It's one of the best tools out there that can help writers, developers and any profession that uses text communication. Google and Facebook might be better at some things, and maybe Apple too. But none of them has brought to market a chatbot that works pretty well(and not just as a party trick) and is very accessible to anyone on the Internet. I would love it if open up Siri such that I can communicate with it on a site just like ChatGPT.
quonn 4y ago
400m then, which is more now and it also didn‘t run for free the last eight years. Google and Facebook may have good research teams, but so far they don‘t seem to be able to use them to ship products (with some exceptions, mostly incremental improvements to quality of existing products) and that‘s what will count.

s1k3s 4y ago

> This multi-year, multi-billion dollar investment from Microsoft follows their previous investments in 2019 and 2021, and will allow us to continue our independent research and develop AI that is increasingly safe, useful, and powerful. I laughed at independent research. Why do they even bother..

scifibestfi 4y ago

Google recently said they are recalibrating the level of risk they're willing to take with releasing this technology. OpenAI's CEO responded saying > "recalibrate" means "increase" obviously. > disappointing to see this six-week development. openai will continually decrease the level of risk we are comfortable taking with new models as they get more powerful, not the other way around. How does this resolve? OpenAI not releasing something isn't going to stop Google or another player from releasing it. Won't they have to recalibrate too or be overtaken? Pandora's box is already open.

beams_of_light 4y ago
I've heard from Google employees that the internal AI they use is better than ChatGPT, but the leadership doesn't want to make it generally available.

ilaksh 4y ago

If I'm understanding this, the Codex model like code-davinci-002 and limited to 10-20 requests per minute on OpenAI, is now "generally" available through "Azure OpenAI Service" BUT - you still have to apply to https://customervoice.microsoft.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=v4j5cvGGr0GRqy180BHbR7en2Ais5pxKtso_Pz4b1_xUOFA5Qk1UWDRBMjg0WFhPMkIzTzhKQ1dWNyQlQCN0PWcu&culture=en-us&country=us https://customervoice.microsoft.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?... - you will be rejected if you use a personal email address - you will be rejected if you are not a "managed customer" - you will be rejected if.. Microsoft thinks you are a real competitor to any of their products? So my site aidev.codes is will be dead in the water if I can't navigate these things or afford the "managed" part. What is that? I don't know what a "managed customer" is but I assume its very expensive. I mean, this is really the opposite of Open. Or am I missing something? Is it really generally available and they took all of that stuff off? BTW I am looking for an investor: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34494480 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34494480

jacooper 4y ago
> I mean, this is really the opposite of Open. Cocks gun, Always has been https://en.meming.world/wiki/Always_has_been https://en.meming.world/wiki/Always_has_been OpenAI was never really open in the first place.
- ilaksh 4y ago
  Right.. I know.. have been telling people that.. there just doesn't seem to be anything equivalent as an alternative. code-davinci-002 is amazing. Way better than Tabnine for example (in my limited testing) and also much better that text-davinci-003. for code. The open source programming LLMs I saw were kind of a joke compared to OpenAI's models.
ilaksh 4y ago
FYI I asked their sales chat what is a "managed customer".. I am not sure if it was really a person or not. Possibly a bot. But they never really defined it, but took down my info and said a "relevant partner would contact me ASAP".

bogomipz 4y ago

The post states: >"Azure’s unique architecture design has been crucial in delivering best-in-class performance and scale for our AI training and inference workloads." Can someone say what is unique about the Azure cloud architecture here vs other cloud vendors?

bogomipz 4y ago

The WSJ article on this announcement states: >"OpenAI was in talks this month to sell existing shares in a tender offer that would value the company at around $29 billion, The Wall Street Journal reported, making it one of the most valuable U.S. startups on paper despite generating little revenue." Can anyone say why they wouldn't have gone that route? Is that valuation possibly based on market condition from a year ago? [1] https://archive.is/slxcE https://archive.is/slxcE

rejectfinite 4y ago

With OpenAI + Office 365 search, Bing is actually going to be sick. I already like the layout better than Google.