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Genders.wtf
- outsidetheparty 4y agoThe Fallen London one is just perfect. “Squids! And yet you waste our time asking me trifling and impertinent questions about mine?” 10/10 five stars cannot be improved upon
- kioleanu 4y ago„Divers“ is universally used in Germany as a translation for non-binary, especially in job ads
- cheapliquor 4y agoThis is hilarious
- daveslash 4y agoI agree. I recognize that gender & gender identity are important topics, and I don't mean to make jokes of it.... but these implementations are horrendously bad. Who builds an input form that says "Gender: Male, Female, or Hot Bread" and thinks "yep, this makes sense!"
- ryanianian 4y agoMuch like the others, this is most likely a ui reading the options from a dataset that was contaminated somehow. Combined with lack of maintainers actually using or testing the thing they maintain on a regular basis.
- CharlesW 4y agoRelated: https://medium.com/gender-2-0/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-gender-f9a3512b4c9c https://medium.com/gender-2-0/falsehoods-programmers-believe...
- AstralStorm 4y agoCaptain is a valid gender, everyone who played Sunless Sea agrees.
- adynaton 4y agoI identify myself as Citizen
- CrazyPyroLinux 4y agoDelicious/Friend
- thot_experiment 4y agoI identify as `;DROP TABLE genders;` personally, or maybe `for admin use only, do not select`. good website, thanks for sharing
- cleverwebble 4y agoI'm wondering what % of forms that ask for gender actually use that field in any way
- perbu 4y agoUnless you actually need to use gender for something useful I'm guessing it is a GDPR violation to ask for it.
- torben-friis 4y agoI might be wrong but I don't think GDPR limits what information you can request, it's more about how the information is handled and the need for consent to collect it.
- tialaramex 4y agoFrom typical GDPR guidance: "If you can reasonably achieve the same purpose without the processing, you won’t have a lawful basis".
- gardenhedge 4y agoThe implication of your reasoning means that pronouns shouldn't be used and in a lot of cases names shouldn't be used because there are other ways to address the user.
- lmkg 4y agoGDPR requires a purpose for processing. The majority of other requirements GDPR imposes attach to the purpose, rather than the processing activity. GDPR gives a lot of leeway in determining a purpose. But if you don't have a purpose, then the processing is unlawful regardless of literally anything else you've done or not done. Not even with valid consent of the data subject (because, guess what, consent attaches to the purpose). So if you say "we need this data for addressing communications to the data subject," that's a purpose. On the other hand, if sex gets stored in a DB column and never used, that's a violation. Separately, GDPR has a Data Minimization requirement: you collect data for a purpose, could you achieve that purpose with less data? This one has some flex to it. If the answer is "we could but not as well," then the data has a purpose. Maybe not a great purpose, but it's something.
- CivBase 4y agoSome of these are pretty funny, but is there really a "right" way to prompt someone for their gender? Maybe a selector for "male", "female", or "other" along with a textbox for clarification that is only available if you select "other"? Or maybe we should all start using the sliders from the Saints Row games.
- disembiggen 4y agoyou're almost bang on here, but don't forget "prefer not to say"! Also you only need that text box if you actually GAF (which many do but half the time you'll throw it away), otherwise some poor data-cruncher is gong to be filtering out 100 "attack helicopters" and fifty misspellings of "womnan"
- Laremere 4y agoIt depends on the purpose you are asking for their gender. If there's no purpose to guide what the options are, why ask?
- kube-system 4y agoThis is the correct answer. There is no one answer that works for every use case. Asking this on a clothing website is much different than on a dating website which is much different than asking it at a doctors office.
- shrikant 4y agoTBH, the vast (VAST!) majority of services where I've filled out a form online don't actually need to know my gender for anything useful related to their service. I just assume every place that asks for it is selling the data someplace, or using it for their shitty recommendations engine.
- agolio 4y ago1. diverse - This is likely German and standard on German gender selectors, it refers to anybody who identifies as neither male nor female. 2. Mrs Prof Dr. - Again this is likely German, and is not a gender selector, rather a title selector. It is standard in Germany to use both Prof and Dr titles, the Mrs then implies female. You wouldn't use it conversationally.
- mccorrinall 4y agoI actually say „Herr/Frau Professor Doktor Agolio“ irl when I want something from that person.
- aidenn0 4y agoI (an American) joined a business call with some Germans and when they were speaking in German, they referred to each other as "Herr Müller" and "Frau Schmidt" then since I joined they switched to "Jens" and "Nadin." I just found that to be an interesting cultural difference.
- luckylion 4y agoThat stuff is often strange in Germany. It's not uncommon to hear "Frau Müller, kannst Du mal ..." in professional environments where people know each other well ("Du" is informal and usually used with first names, formally it'd be "Frau Müller, können Sie", both is "Mrs Müller, could you" in English).
- damsta 4y agoPerfect usage of .wtf TLD
- andrewclunn 4y agoNot sure if my favorite is the FeMan versus Male Man, or the Canadian Applicant one. I was worried this would be a flame war topic with political raging, but this is just universally hilarious. Well done to the creator(s).
- RScholar 4y agoPersonally, I'm going to spend the rest of the day looking for those people walking around with the faces of squid...they sound terrifying.
- aidenn0 4y agoI think you'll find them here[1] 1: https://www.fallenlondon.com/login https://www.fallenlondon.com/login
- yamazakiwi 4y agoI'm partial to Male, Female, Hardcore
- mteam88 4y ago[dead]
- torben-friis 4y agoThe funny thing is that I can sort of see how some of these end up happening. Dr (male) and Dr (female) as separate titles makes sense for example, for i18n reasons, since some languages like Spanish will require the info - even a simple 'welcome!' would have to choose bienvenido/bienvenida depending on gender.
- fasteddie31003 4y agoI get asked for my gender often in online forms. What is it ultimately used for? Even for my employment why does my employer care what gender I am or my sexual orientation? Personally I think there is an over emphasis on gender and sexual orientation. I don't care about your gender or sexual orientation unless I want to have a sexual relationship with you.
- bombcar 4y agoMany things have "reporting requirements" where, for example, your employer is required to report your gender and race to the government to determine how sexist and racist they are. I suspect it's very rarely actually important, it's just on the list of things they always have asked for and always will.
- geraldwhen 4y agoDiversity numbers show up on reports that affect ESG investment. ESG funds will buy more of your company’s stock if you have a higher percentage of women on boards, for example, and other metrics. And some positions are only offered to diverse candidates or candidates from a particular subgroup, like LGBT etc. Last year, one of the roles I had to fill was diverse-only. Only applicants of color were allowed to apply for the role.
- the_gastropod 4y agoWhat you're describing would likely violate Title VII and the EEOC.
- bombcar 4y agoBlatant violations occur way more often than you think; nobody cares. Technically-legal-but-still-violating-the-spirit happens if the people involved bother asking legal about it.
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- yieldcrv 4y agodo you guys think gender and sex will ever stop being treated as synonyms? I don't think it is possible for people to stop conflating the two concepts if they are synonymous.
- bonron 4y agoProbably not. Sex has a material basis, gender identity an ideological one. The former has much more staying power than the latter, which is likely to be seen as an unusual fad belief in the decades and centuries to come.
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- yieldcrv 4y agoI think there are some concurrent realizations that will move it outside of purely ideological territory and be more impervious to being relegated as an unusual fad belief. In the Americas and the Pacific islands, many cultures had non-binary gendering systems, and in the European colonization and cultural genocide this was one of many things that were erased as it was incompatible. So reconciliation and representation of indigenous cultures simply includes non-binary gendering, and it is not separable from this effort and direction. This coincides with western non-binary recognition, the thing thats having a lot of resistance and lack of consensus. I can see it being very likely that these efforts coincide and amplify the willingness to recognize a non-binary gendering system that is distinctive from sex, and not synonymous with sex.
- yamazakiwi 4y agoGenerally definitions are created or changed by consensus so unless the majority change their minds nothing will likely change.
- poszlem 4y agoThat is sadly not really the case. If you ask the majority of people the consensus is "male" and "female" are the only genders. If what you saying were the case we would not even get the "other" option, not to mention all the other neo-genders.
- paxys 4y agoThe pet's gender one is funny (and makes sense). I don't think it deserves to be on the WTF list.
- PopAlongKid 4y agoInterestingly, on the U.S. Form 1040 income tax return, when describing the relationship to you of your offspring that you are claiming as dependent(s), the only choices are "son" or "daughter".
- ajvs 4y agoSo?
- fknorangesite 4y agoPeople can be nonbinary, in which case neither "son" nor "daughter" is accurate.
- nailer 4y agoWhat if it's asking about their sex rather than their gender identity?
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- AnimalMuppet 4y agoThere can be non-binary sexes, too. It's a thing that happens, but it's much more rare than non-binary gender.
- dragonwriter 4y ago> What if it’s asking about their sex rather than their gender identity? Legal sex (which is really ascribed gender, and starts out as assigned gender at birth) has the exact same problem as gender identity here. As does assigned gender at birth itself (since there are people for whom that is neither male nor female as legally recorded.) But given the mix of gendered and non-gendered terms in the instruction, its just a product of the fact that both law, and even more the bureaucratic processes and documents supporting its application, is very much not DRY, so “we recognize the existence of non-binary gender” isn’t a point change to the “gender” module of the legal system, rather it requires changes throughout a “code base” that is giant, and has no version control or test suite.
- SeanLuke 4y agoThe inclusion of this one: https://genders.wtf/gender/mrs-prof-dr/ https://genders.wtf/gender/mrs-prof-dr/ ... indicates that the webmaster has never been to Germany etc. These are titles, not genders. In some countries the titles "Mrs.", "Doctor", "Professor" pile up into one combined title. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that drop-down list in much of Europe. Edit: looks like I was beat to it.
- jeroenhd 4y agoThe tags "#titles #medical #academic" seem to indicate that this is well known by the web master. I personally think it's silly to require someone to fill in the title in all use cases except for the title an education facility puts on one's fancy piece of paper. There's a certain vanity to it, like programmers who insist others call them "engineers".
- huhtenberg 4y agoIs it true that "Mrs. Doctor X" means "a wife of Doctor X" and not that the lady herself is a doctor?
- kgwgk 4y agoIt could be - just like how Mrs. Thomas Jefferson’s name was Martha and not Thomas.
- luckylion 4y agoThere was no difference in German, it was "Herr Doktor" ("Mr Doctor") and you'd address his wife "Frau Doktor" ("Mrs Doctor"), so you couldn't tell who of them actually held the title (not sure what happened after divorce). Today, you need to get your own title, no more shared titles through marriage.
- algorias 4y agoIn an archaic form it does. But nowadays "Frau Doktor" usually refers to a woman who is a doctor, as "Doktor" has a male grammatical gender, so it's awkward to address a woman only as "Doktor X", even though that's technically acceptable. The grammatically female word "Doktorin" has not caught on, even though it's also correct.
- poszlem 4y agoThis is a question that touches one of the cornerstones of the culture war, so you will hear radically different opinions from all sides of the discussion. I don't think we are at the point where we can just pick one way to ask for genders. Even "male", "female", "other" is causing problems, as some people get offended for the "other" option (it should only be "male"/"female") and other people get offended for the "other" options (it should be "demiboy", "nonbinary", "catgender", etc.). IMO the concept of gender is really not that useful anymore. We should only ask for sex, and if you don't need to know the sex you just don't ask.
- freedomben 4y agoI've discovered that for some people, they will feel ignored by not asking their gender identity, or at least their pronouns. Things feel more inclusive to them when they are able to register their identity, even if it's not used by anything in the app. A coworker put it this way: "We want to be celebrated, not ignored"
- serverholic 4y agoI feel like this is a bit of a mask-off moment that reveals the narcissism behind the movement. And yet people get lambasted on twitter for suggesting that there is an undercurrent of narcissism when people obsess over pronouns.
- kelseyfrog 4y agoDo you think you could steelman this take instead?
- poszlem 4y agoCan you steelman the idea that "many people obsessed with pronouns are narcissists" rather than just criticizing how others have discussed it? It may be more productive to try reframing the issue yourself.
- joshgachnang 4y agoI very recently had a feature request that would have looked like the drop down in https://genders.wtf/gender/you-can-only-choose-one/ https://genders.wtf/gender/you-can-only-choose-one/ or worse. We shot that down, but I still struggle with the right way to handle this. Going only textbox seems more inclusive, but I think it's annoying for anyone who identifies as Male or Female to type it out rather than selecting (and you'll wind up with man/male/etc).
- Nathanael_M 4y agoMale/Female/Undisclosed/Textbox perhaps?
- akavi 4y agoDepends on the reason you need to request gender, but for in-app pronoun purposes, I'd do: [ ] male [ ] female [ ] non-binary [text box for other] And use "they" pronouns for the last two options. (Ideally you'd allow the user to specify the pronouns themselves, but even among people who use non-conventional pronouns, getting them to correctly enter the subject/object/possessive cases of their choice is heavily hit or miss)
- layer8 4y agoOther and Prefer not to specify should be sufficient IMO.
- AnEro 4y agoAs a trans person I hate all half-assed inclusion measures, on top of the fact if I point this stuff out I sound like one of the 'bad ones'. It just made everything confusing whether it is asking for sex or gender. Medical stuff sure I'll disclose everything cause it's relevant to me getting good service. However, there are so many companies that want to just obviously use the info for ad revenue... What features are you bringing me that are improved cause you know my sex? What features are you bringing me that are improved cause you know I'm trans?
- ShredKazoo 4y agoWhat would an acceptable inclusion measure be?
- counttheforks 4y agoNot asking.
- ShredKazoo 4y agoThis user disagrees fwiw: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34341269 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34341269
- kgwxd 4y agoIf no one was asking in the first place, no one would be left out. There are obviously places where it's relevant to ask, in which case, an open text field with no list of "normal" options should be sufficient.
- luckylion 4y agoThe answer is obvious. First: ask the user for their opinion about asking users about their gender, then ask or don't ask.
- aidenn0 4y agoI think "asking for pronouns" as that user mentions seems like a reasonable place to land. It has a clear potential use, and isn't confusing about what it is asking.
- quirk 4y agoAs a Stainless Steel I was happy to see this inclusive list.
- daveslash 4y agoAs a "Hot Bread" myself, it was nice to be included as well.
- ManitobaForMe 4y ago[dead]
- jmacd 4y agoThe simplest answer for everyone is that asking for gender should be, as a rule, now allowed. Unless the information is important (health) or being used analytically (improving participation, etc) then there is no reason for it.
- annyeonghada 4y ago>now allowed I think you wanted to say "not allowed".
- njarboe 4y agoWould like to see stainless steel as a more common option.
- PuppyTailWags 4y agoTBH I wished these sorts of dropdowns simply asked for pronouns and title for most sites. If I'm Dr. PuppyTailWags, he/him pronouns, that's all most companies need from me. I'm sure some exceptions exist: of course my doctor should know if I go by he/him but have a uterus, of course my dating profile should specify who I want to date. But say, my meal delivery service shouldn't care lol.
- aliqot 4y agoCall me user, I'm going to use a fake name every time anyway. I couldn't be any less concerned with how I'm addressed by a machine as long as it isn't 'citizen', because I ain't picking up any cans.
- warning26 4y agoCitizen! Pick up that can!
- vehemenz 4y agoFor data collection purposes, a "sex" field is more informative than a "pronoun" field. That's not to say a "pronoun" field wouldn't be informative, only that pronouns supervene on sex except in outlier cases.
- feoren 4y agoFor what data collection purposes? You care more about whether I have a penis or vagina than whether I associate more with football and trucks or with dresses and makeup? If you want to know which ads to show me, the latter is going to be much more informative for you, even though gender is a weak signal for that. It's crazy to say that sex is more informative for all purposes. When I'm registering for some online service, why in the hell would you care whether I have a penis or a vagina?
- florbo 4y agoI know that the differences between sexes is very relevant in a multitude of sciences. I'm not sure what gender identity is relevant to other than behavioral science and psychology, primarily applied to marketing. I would like to know more, though, so please share if you have any insight.
- maerF0x0 4y agoSome of these look like broken CSV parsing. Which has been incessant across my 13+ yr career. Perhaps we can evolve from a 1970s tech to something less flaky?
- imiric 4y ago/shrug I like CSVs. Or, rather, TSVs. They're simple, structured and interoperable. It's the first format I reach for when building small pipelines. The fault is not with the format, but with the developers that choose to use it after they've outgrown it. For anything more complex, choose SQLite. For everything else, choose Postgres. Use the right tool for the job. There's likely much worse things happening in these cases than just broken CSV parsing. Since these issues got deployed to production, lack of testing, for one.
- maerF0x0 4y agothey're simple on the surface, until you get into the details of UTF BOMs cell escaping, handling jagged rows, and maybe a few other edges I'm failing to note right now
- srmarm 4y agoI like this site, shows how even 'simple' things can get complicated, in many cases you can see the logic that got them there. The Canadian Decathlon one is here (go to the filter) - https://www.decathlon.ca/en/c/22252/sports https://www.decathlon.ca/en/c/22252/sports - and you can see the train of thought that it makes sense to put a filter in as sportswear comes in male/female. Those filters probably make a bit more sense when filtering a specific category too but I can see how that would all get in without someone considering how absurd it'd look when filtering all products.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y agoThe horse and pony options do indeed bring up clothing (Blankets, saddles etc.) for horses!
- CrazyPyroLinux 4y agoAh, https://www.fallenlondon.com https://www.fallenlondon.com Good to see that great game here, and be reminded of its great sister game https://sunlesssea.fandom.com/ https://sunlesssea.fandom.com/
- sn_master 4y agoOn the 4473 form for background check in the US, the valid races are "White, African American, Asian, Hispanic". No other options, and no option to not specify. The fun part is, you can select ALL of them, not just one, and MANY people do just that.
- aembleton 4y agoThey also have American Indian or Alsaka Native
- sn_master 4y agoYup, but still it doesn't cover many millions of US citizens. e.g Sikh, Middle Eastern, African Africans etc (not that there can ever be a list that covers such a diverse country).
- kgwgk 4y agoBlack African Africans at least would be covered by the “Black or African American” option. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Atf_form_4473-firearms_transaction_record_5300_9revised_0.pdf https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Atf_form...
- sn_master 4y agoYup, and then there's roughly the 300 million Arabs who live in North Africa who aren't covered by any of these.
- kgwgk 4y agoThat's why I said Black at least. Anyway, non-Black Arabs would fall under "white" - at least that's the intention of the creators of the form. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/17/1079181478/us-census-middle-eastern-white-north-african-mena https://www.npr.org/2022/02/17/1079181478/us-census-middle-e...
- smsm42 4y agoI wonder who the squid face guys are and whether they invented the quote. It is awesome.
- dchftcs 4y agoThe SUMMONED_DEMON one probably came from a game. Where the gendered field can be strange things for non-gendered non-human characters.
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- Waterluvian 4y agoThese are amusing, silly, embarrassing, cringey, and somewhat kind of sad. I think (and kind of hope) that we might be slowly progressing towards an era where we stop discretizing gender into specific labels. The ever-growing number of labels suggests, to me at least, that we've got a wrong fit for the data type. I think it's rather simple: a multi-dimensional continuum of gender identity cannot be reduced to specific names. But that concept of "discrete gender" is very well-entrenched in society, so there's an attempt to make it fit by adding more discrete categories. I'm not sure this is "wrong" given that I don't think society/culture/whatnot ever turns on a dime. But I don't think this represents a satisfactory state. A good place to start is to stop asking for "gender" when it's completely unnecessary for whatever service is being offered. I think most websites don't need to. And if they're legally obligated in some way, that needs fixing. ...Am I making any sense? I'm having a moment of struggling to render my thoughts to words.
- echohack5 4y agoThe only example here where I imagine a legitimate use case is the (Canada only) one, where some idiotic beaucracy is in place to handle folks who need to update gender on government identification (like passports)
- genderwhy 4y agoWhat you've described is what most non-binary, trans, and many queer folks believe. (And many allies as well.) The idea that there are "only two" genders is, imo, a bit of a 20th century lens, and I expect we'll move to disentangle gender from what anatomy do you have. I agree that asking for gender is fraught. I am non-binary, and I constantly have to either lie or just choose "Not sharing". The best systems just take a string and leave it at that.
- wpietri 4y agoNo, that makes total sense to me. My general feeling about gender is, "must we?" I just get exhausted at the insistence some have on dragging gender into everything. I get that it was socially convenient (for some) to compress the multi-dimensional continuum into a binary. (Or in many other cultures, something more complicated.) But I think at this point we either add the extra bits or just stop fussing about it so much. Hopefully both. That said, I think it's entirely possible to usefully reduce a multi-dimensional space to discrete labels without excessive harm. Look at the actual space we live in, for example. Naming places and regions can be both useful and helpful as long as we don't take the names too seriously. I suspect the same is true for the space of gender. But as with physical space, I'd rather let people self-organize and self-identify than for one group to try to impose their boundaries upon others.
- irrational 4y agoLOL. I'm going to start saying that I am gender "60".
- kgeist 4y agoKids as a third gender is actually an interesting case considering that in many European languages which have 3 linguistic genders the word for "child" is of neuter gender: "Kind" in German, "pais" in Ancient Greek, "dite" in Slavic etc.
- slackfan 4y agoGenders are quite literally an imperialist western concept that I refuse to humor.
- genderwhy 4y agoWhere are you from that your nation doesn't have some concept of gender (differing societal roles for, e.g., men and women)? I'm genuinely asking because I think it would be interesting to learn more about the language and culture.
- throwaway290 4y agoI'm guessing the poster meant a culture that force separates humans into two subgroups instead of treating all as humans with a gender property that could be reconsidered.
- genderwhy 4y agoFair enough. Where is this?
- throwaway290 4y agoI don't know even 5% of world's cultures but wherever people who dislike other people having self-determination bodily autonomy can get away with it I guess. Most of Russia certainly, Arab sphere, maybe parts of the US I heard is like that.
- genderwhy 4y agoThose places have strong gender roles though? Like, the arab world is sort of well known for having portions that very strictly define gender roles... That's the opposite of what the parent was suggesting I think?
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- layer8 4y agoI’m missing FileNotFound (though NAME_NOT_FOUND comes close) [0]. The squid one actually seems legitimate to me. ;) [0] https://thedailywtf.com/articles/What_Is_Truth_0x3f_ https://thedailywtf.com/articles/What_Is_Truth_0x3f_
- the_doctah 4y agoAt least Dr. Mrs. The Monarch benefits from these forms.
- SAI_Peregrinus 4y agoGender != Chromosomal sex != Physiological sex != Hormonal sex != Gametes produced (gametic sex). A man is most commonly (by percentage of total adult human population) an XY male, with a penis/testes, and produce sperm. A woman is most commonly (by percentage of total adult human population) an XX female, with vulva/vagina/uterus/ovaries and breasts, and produce eggs. Older women (after menopause) no longer produce eggs and so have neuter gametic sex. Pre-pubescent children don't produce gametes, and thus have neuter gametic sex. A trans man is an XX female, possibly with surgical alterations to physiological sex, possibly with hormone replacement therapy to alter hormonal sex, and possibly (if either of the two former are present) with neuter gametic sex. Being a man does not require being male. A trans woman is an XY male, possibly with surgical alterations to physiological sex, possibly with hormone replacement therapy to alter hormonal sex, and possibly (if either of the two former are present) with neuter gametic sex. Being a woman does not require being female. Other combinations are possible. Confusing gender with the various forms of sex and sex characteristics is unnecessary and causes confusion.
- genderwhy 4y agoYep! You are 100% correct. But good luck with this crowd. HN is all over the place with the gender != sex discussion.
- SAI_Peregrinus 4y agoIt's an old word. It's been used both as a synonym for sex and as a different concept for most of its existence. Ideally we'd invent a new word to make the distinction easier.
- fluoridation 4y agoI have never heard the term "gametic sex". How is it a useful distinction, when it normally changes throughout a person's life, unlike sex in any other interpretation of the word?
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- km3r 4y agoSome fun info about gender and personal information I helped implement for our HR system: * Gender options are configured by a per country basis. As in the system admin sets up the available options per country(As well as a few other personal info fields) * Every country has different sets of personal info that can be asked, and that is required. (ie some counties required blood type) * Most info can be configured to be hidden from managers and only visible to HR and the worker. * Two personal info fields aren't ever visible to the worker themselves: date of death, and visual survey ethnicity. The latter is used for measuring diversity in countries that asking is illegal or frowned upon.
- kypro 4y agoWhat upsets me is that I was bullied my whole life for being gay and feminine. There were even a few times growing up where my teachers bullied me for not being "man" enough including PE teachers putting me in girls groups and teachers joking to the class that I don't need Maths because I'll probably be hairdresser anyway. I'm not gay though. I'm just kinda weird, which I'm fine with even if others aren't. I think I'm just a guy who sometimes likes to wear a bit of makeup (think Fall Out Boy, not cross-dressing) and is straight, but also kinda asexual, I guess. It's sad though because although I identify as a straight male and have spend my entire life being abused for my gender and sexuality, I now have the privilege(?) of being discriminated against in the workplace. Growing up my parents told me it was just school, but it's not, people just suck. I learnt to handle the name calling though. Those who were badly bullied can probably relate, you have to grow a thick skin just to survive emotionally. But knowing employers might discriminate against you is different because you have no power.
- crackercrews 4y agoI was asked for race/gender/etc. on an award application one time. I declined to state because I didn't think that was relevant. Who wants to get an award based on demographics? After I won, one of the organizers delicately asked me what my pronouns were so I would not be misgendered during the awards presentation. He said that he thought I was cisgender but needed to check because I declined to state. I wonder what percent of people decline to state because they don't wish to share the info versus are not comfortable with the other options. I will continue to decline to state in almost all circumstances. Maybe companies will realize their data is garbage and stop asking.
- kibibu 4y ago"Mrs Prof Dr" isn't a WTF. That's the standard way of doing formal titles in many countries, for ex Germany.
- tarboreus 4y agoJust want to call this website out for having amazing alt text for all of these screenshots. You done good, website.