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Sony Android TVs waste 25W in standby due to built-in Google Chromecast
- laurynas-s 4y agoChromecast Ultra also uses 20W in standby. I was going through the all devices and found that a TV which is most of the time off, was using that much power. Now I keep it unplugged.
- lern_too_spel 4y agohttps://www.howtogeek.com/825416/how-much-energy-are-your-streaming-media-players-using/ https://www.howtogeek.com/825416/how-much-energy-are-your-st... lists a much different measurement.
- matt-p 4y agoThe chromecast ultra comes with a 5w power supply (I know, I have one and just checked) so this cannot be true. I don't know about you but I literally don't care about 5w, it's getting converted to heat anyway just a bit less efficiently than my gas boiler.
- eisa01 4y agoThis may not sound bad, but it's the equivalent of 200 kWh per year and the set is only supposed to draw 0.5-1W from the specifications This would cost more than 50 EUR per year at current prices, and is sizeable compared to the average German citizens consumption of 1500 kWh electricity Let's just say this is not ideal given the current energy shortage in Europe...
- Someone 4y agoIt also is illegal in the EU for new devices. https://ec.europa.eu/info/energy-climate-change-environment/standards-tools-and-labels/products-labelling-rules-and-requirements/energy-label-and-ecodesign/energy-efficient-products/mode-standby-and-networked-standby_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/energy-climate-change-environment/...: “Network-connected standby devices Modern appliances are increasingly connected to the internet during standby mode, consuming higher amounts of energy. This includes networked televisions and decoders, printers, game consoles and modems. - Specific requirements for network-connected standby devices were introduced in 2013. - Since January 2017 networked standby devices must not consume more than 3 to 12 Watts depending on the product. This compares to 20 to 80 Watts previously. This decrease is expected to save an additional 36-38 TWh.” I think this TV is from 2014, so it would have to comply with the older regulations, which I think are https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32013R0801 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A..., but that doesn’t mention anything close to 80W. It does mention 6W and 12W limits, but only starting at January 2015. ⇒ it seems this device doesn’t break that regulation.
- rozab 4y agoCould there be some consequence for misrepresenting the standby consumption?
- sidewndr46 4y agoThere were devices that consumed 80 watts in standby. I have a cabinet full of equipment including my cable modem, a computer (server, no monitor) with 8 mechanical hard drives. The idle current is 76 watts or so. How could something be so high?
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y agoIt's easy to burn energy when nobody's paying it any attention. Mostly by not really idling, I suspect
- londons_explore 4y agoAudio amplifiers, especially old ones, can easily draw 100 watts when on 'standby' - ie. the amplifier is turned on but playing no sound.
- sidewndr46 4y agoIf it is a class A amplifier, I think that would make sense. But how many people have huge class A amplifiers for their home audio?
- londons_explore 4y agoOld ones... Everything from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's... Remember in europe we have a lot more old stuff - especially old houses that are family owned for 100+ years tend not to have things replaced often unless they're unrepairable. Even modern class D amps can be 30+ watts when not playing anything tho.
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- MandieD 4y agoMore than 50 EUR per year at the prices a lot of us contracted for before the war for 2022, to make things clearer.
- maccard 4y agoRight. I'm in Scotland and its closer to £175/year than €50
- MandieD 4y agoWow, that’s worse than anything I’ve heard about around here (northern Bavaria). Power strips with switches are a sound economy move, in either situation.
- maccard 4y agoYeah, energy costs are just shy of 4x what they were for us last summer. All the sockets in our house have switches on the wall to isolate them. The real trick is just knowing which ones are worth turning off!
- czottmann 4y agoNot at the current prices for new customers. I'm currently paying 50,07€ct/kWh here in northern Germany. 25W * 8760h * 0,5€ = ~109€ per year. The price hurts, yes, but the waste of power is _criminal_.
- Semaphor 4y agoHah, wanted to say, nice current prices, can I have those? But you beat me, 0.41€, also Northern Germany.
- yourusername 4y agoI hope you realize both of your prices are incredibly cheap. New contracts in the Netherlands are up to €0.88 per kWh (edit: seems i underestimated, 0.88 is the average, the most expensive is €1.14 per kWh now.)
- benhurmarcel 4y agoI wouldn't count the hours during winter though. It's heating, which you'd pay anyway.
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- iggldiggl 4y agoAt least with the electricity prices in Germany (not referring to the current price level, but with reference to the last decades), a dedicated source of heat (oil, gas, pellets, heat pump, district heating, …) is normally more cost-efficient than simple resistive heating. So while it's true that that standby consumption is at least good for something in winter, a lower standby consumption and in turn turning up the central heating a little more would normally still be the better choice.
- phpthrowaway99 4y agoVery few people heat their homes with electricity. It's the most expensive energy source. So while the heat is atleast useful in the winter, most people would prefer to take the TV idle spend and apply that to a much cheaper heat source.
- explaingarlic 4y agoThis would cost more than 50 EUR per year Try: €200 at current forecasts :/
- iso1631 4y agoDoesn't matter in the UK, there's no incentive to turn off the set to save yourself £20 a month, because the taxpayer will subsidise your excess electric use thanks to the latest idiotic socialist idea to simply get future generations to pay for today's excess use.
- explaingarlic 4y agoBailouts are only socialist when they benefit the average person, seemingly :P
- iso1631 4y agoThese bailouts give money directly to energy producers, taken from future workers. A far better solution is to give the money directly to the average person and let them choose what to spend it on.
- explaingarlic 4y agoWhat? Do you think these price increases are strictly on the retail side?
- iso1631 4y agoProviding help to commercial consumers is essential, look at the energy usage last year and base it on that. However just paying the suppliers directly gives no incentive to invest in increasing energy efficiency - if I'm paying 70p a unit and can spend £1000 to save 3000 units it makes sense. If the government is capping it at 20p a unit then why would I bother paying to increase the efficiency? That means more needless energy use
- Saris 4y agoEspecially since an android phone can idle for days on about 10Wh of battery, or something like 0.2W.
- xeromal 4y ago200 kWh can run my tesla for about 1000KM just to give people a picture of the waste.
- Markoff 4y ago> This may not sound bad, but it's the equivalent of 200 kWh per year and the set is only supposed to draw 0.5-1W from the specifications Assumming you never use TV (if I calculated correctly it's 219kWh for 24/7/365 standby 25W waste). Many people have switched on TV for 3-10 hours per day, heck I don't watch that much TV and I have it switched from 8-11 PM plus my kids around one hour a day. I'm sure my retired mother would easily do 8-10 hours per day. Also I mean if you are bothered with it just unplug TV or switch off the socket. My whole household yearly consumption including AC (26C) is ~1200 kWh.
- interestica 4y agoI've a 2015 model that's becoming harder to use because of the outdated software and I'm not sure of a fix. The panel still looks great.
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- pier25 4y agoDepending on what you do either get an Nvidia Shield or an AppleTV. I'd recommend the Shield for Plex or the AppleTV for streaming Netflix, etc.
- icelancer 4y agoDefinitely don't get the Shield if you use the stream apps. Nvidia's support for them is awful and their forums provide no help.
- pier25 4y agoYeah... Even basic stuff like framerate matching is still missing after all these years. They added it in beta a couple of years ago as a manual setting from the quick settings menu, but it's super buggy. It has never worked properly for me. Either the video completely freezes or the audio gets completely out of sync. And even if you manually set the framerate to 24Hz or 23.9 Hz, there are constant random frame drops.
- kitsunesoba 4y agoYeah I don't even bother with the built in "smarts". Turn off wifi and bluetooth, don't plug in ethernet, and hook up a decent streaming box like an Apple TV or Shield. With that, it doesn't matter how outdated the TV's software is.
- vladgur 4y agoAppleTV is fully capable of playing local content. You can either use Infuse player or sideload Kodi
- mring33621 4y agoHorrible site. Twice bothered me to login and then went gray on gray, very hard to read
- glowingly 4y agoNever bothered me to login. FF 104 with ublock origin. Black on white. Relevant posts: > I measured the standby power consumption on my set, and it uses an extreme 23 W, or 200 kWh per year For context, this would be approx 10% of the average consumption of a German... > My Apple TV uses 1.2 W in standby > Have anyone else measured their set and seen similar figures? Any way to lower it? > I tried setting Eco to high, and that lowered it by a whopping 0.5 W in standby to 22.5... > edit: According to the specs, it's supposed to draw 0.5 W in standby? What is going on? > https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/televisions-projectors-lcd-tvs-android-/xbr-55x850c/specifications https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/televisions-project... > Thanks, I had already turned off remote start (it lowered standby by 0.5 W). Remote Device Settings did not affect it much either > I reset the TV to factory settings, set it up without logging in to Google, and declining all privacy policies and "extra" services. Still idling around 23 W > After some trial and error, disconnecting the ethernet cable seems to be the trick. Then the TV is able to idle at 0.5 W after a few minutes > Something must be terribly wrong with the software though, that keeps the SoC active if it has internet connectivity? I found in the Norwegian specs that "network standby" should draw only 1 W > I'm no longer using the smart features after I upgraded to an Apple TV last year, so in principle this is not a problem for me to lose Chromecast, but it is quite irresponsible of Sony to have such buggy firmware [EDIT: I forgot to include the concluding post:] > Indeed, I disabled Chromecast from the app menu and then the SoC is powering down to the 0.5-1W levels after a minute or so > So to summarize: > If the TV has a network connection and Chromecast is enabled, the SoC is not powering down such that the set idles at roughly 25W instead of the 0.5-1W per the specifications > This is not good if it applies to more people than me, as each set would consume about 200 kWh per year in standby > German households consume 130 TWh electricity per year, or 1500 kWh per person. So this is sizeable in an European setting, and would help tremendously with the electricity saving targets that may come this winter due to the war > Now, how to get the attention of Sony and Google to fix this? This may even be in breach of the ecodesign guidelines! by eisa01
- mey 4y agoFor comparison, my external Nvidia shield (2019) consumes around 3W in standby and 8W max. https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_shield_android_tv_2019_review,2.html https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_shield_android_...
- funstuff007 4y agohas anyone used these shields to convert old VHS tapes to digital?
- agilob 4y agoOk so... Why would you ask this question? Can you convert them using another chromecasted device?
- funstuff007 4y agobecause one of their claims is to have a much better upscaler than the average bear. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shield/support/shield-tv/ai-upscaling/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shield/support/shield-tv/ai-ups...
- Grazester 4y agoAnd this has built in Chromecast. I love my Shield.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoI love that my home screen is now jammed full of bullshit and it cannot be used without a Google account and if you use your personal Google account Nvidia needs a ton of permissions. Other than that I actually do the love the little device but I feel more and more jerked around when I shell out only to have junk foisted on me later.
- lizknope 4y agoAll the ads on the home screen suck now. When I first got my shield I made another account just for it because I didn't want it connected with the rest of my google stuff.
- Nursie 4y agoMisleading headline - it’s a discussion about one Sony TV, that was released in 2015. Worth checking others, but the headline makes it sound like they all do this.
- nottorp 4y agoFrom the article and the other HN comments, if they have Chromecast enabled by default they do.
- freetime2 4y agoI have a different model of Sony TV that I bought in 2019 that consumes 16W in standby. Not as bad as 25W, but still far higher than I would expect any modern device to consume in standby.
- gempir 4y agoMy sony xr-77a80j released in 2021 and at least sucks down 25W in Standby with Chromecast support on. I think it was more like 28W last I measured.
- staticman2 4y agoI can't reproduce these results with the 77 inch A80J. Running the machine in standbye for 8 and a half hours and testing with a Kasa device consumed 32 wh of power. According to the app I am using it would cost about 6 dollars a year to run this on standbye at .17 cents per Kilowatt hour. That said I do not use Homekit. Someone in the Braviam forum said enabling Homekit and allowing Homekit to turn on the TV causes a huge power draw.
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- blinkingled 4y agoI have a 2020 model I bought from Costco and as slow and shitty the UI is it also still burns 16W in standby. There isn't a way to disable Chromecast either so thanks for nothing Sony and Google. I need a dumb tv and Nvidia sheild. Edit: I take the standby power usage part back. After settings changes including Eco stuff and something to do with remote start and a restart it's at 4W which is very acceptable. The UI inexcusably still sucks though.
- yumraj 4y agoGo to Apps, “See all apps”, scroll down, find “Chromecast built-in” and then click Disable on the app’s settings. At least that is how it’s on my Sony TV.
- blinkingled 4y agoThanks, I am already down to 4W after Eco mode, disabling remote start and a restart -I sometimes use the Chromecast so going to leave it on.
- izacus 4y agoYou probably also need to turn off Network Power-On and IP control to prevent it from having network standby enabled. It's in different menus on my Sony.
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- pcdoodle 4y ago4W is still pretty bad. Any modern computer will gladly sit under 1W ready for a quick wake up.
- kuratkull 4y agoRecently started monitoring all my appliances. 1W is what I also found to be the numbert that some reasonable devices (PC sleep, TV off) sit at. Although my subwoofer takes 5W at idle, my PC monitor takes 5W at idle, etc. Looking into some Zigbee smart sockets for my home setup now.
- londons_explore 4y agoChromecasts in general seem like big power hogs... I don't need you to use 20 watts all the time to show a shiny background image and a clock... I really wish users who spend "Just" $/€/£ 40 on a Chromecast knew that it is going to cost them the same amount every year on their bill. I think many of those people wouldn't buy one if they realised they are almost buying a subscription. Google could adjust them to just don't send out any signal unless someone is actually casting. The chipset can totally do 0.1 watt sleep mode with wifi connected.
- lock-the-spock 4y agoIt was a big eye opener for me when I realised that the Chromecast is always warm, even when the TV is off and it's not been in use for days. The extension switch is now always off, but I wonder how much this device cost me over the past years.
- Scoundreller 4y agoI kinda doubt they use 20w. I doubt my TV’s USB port pushes out 4A (@5V) and 20w in a heat-sink less enclosure like that would bake.
- ajross 4y ago> Chromecasts in general seem like big power hogs... The original Chromecast product was a stick that ran off a default 10W USB 2 power supply. I don't know what the current ones are drawing, but I'd be pretty surprised if it was any more. This is a bug with this particular TV, which is running the Chromecast stack on a much less efficient SOC and clearly has some kind of integration bug which is preventing low power idle states. It's got nothing to do with Chromecast (or Android) as a product or protocol. They should fix the bug.
- selcuka 4y agoThe original required 1A (5W) and the current one is 1.5A (7.5W).
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- laweijfmvo 4y agoTelevision isn’t my primary choice for media, but when I do I just unplug it when I’m done. 0W standby. Same for basically everything other than the refrigerator and wifi.
- baq 4y agoYou don’t want to do this with an OLED TV though.
- thfuran 4y agoI don't want to do that with anything. It's ridiculous to have to go through the trouble of doing that.
- ciupicri 4y agoWhy not?
- ErneX 4y agoOLEDs do pixel refreshing every once in a while while turned off, but they require power to do this obviously.
- tintedfireglass 4y agoWhy? does turning off an oled TV cause problems?
- baq 4y agoYes. OLEDs run a short matrix refresh cycle every few working hours and a long one every hundred or so after you put them to standby; you probably won’t break anything, but the TV quality will degrade quicker. (Not sure about the not breaking part, though ;) I leave mine powered on.)
- MichaelCollins 4y agoIt needs power or it degrades faster? Sounds like a great reason for me to never buy an OLED tv.
- julianlam 4y agoI have a Sony Bravia from the 2010s (a dumb one) that has a standby mode, engaged when you power off the TV via remote. The TV also turns off-off when you use the physical button, but there's seemingly no functional difference, the unit still powers on via remote if fully off. I have a feeling that all the physical power button really does is put the unit on standby, but also turn off the little red standby LED.
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago> the unit still powers on via remote if fully off. Then it's not fully off. > I have a feeling that all the physical power button really does is put the unit on standby, but also turn off the little red standby LED. Sounds about right.
- ajaimk 4y agoDoing the math… this would cost me $50 per year in electricity bill
- Panino 4y agoIf you're wondering how much energy is consumed by your electronics, a base model kill-a-watt for about $30 will show you watts and cumulative watt-hours. It's a fantastic tool that pays for itself besides giving an eye-opening, interesting experience. You'd be surprised at the things in your house consuming electricity 24/7. Almost everything in my house is either on power strip surge protectors or just unplugged.
- eisa01 4y agoI’d actually recommend a wifi smart plug with energy monitoring Easier to read the display on your phone ;)
- sassy_quat 4y ago(: guestimates are good enough, everything pales in comparison to the freezer, turn that off and the power bill goes down
- kadoban 4y agoAre freezers really that bad? Does it depend if they're chest or standup? I don't remember my bill going up when I added a freezer, I didn't really measure though.
- gumby 4y agoA chest is much better. The reason is intuitive: if you open it the cold air remains inside except for a little turbulence at the top and, of course, the new air that pours in to replace whatever you’ve just removed. Whereas, when you open an upright one, cold air immediately starts pouring out the bottom of the opening, with warmer air coming in at the top to replace it.
- closewith 4y agoThe thermal mass of the air is tiny - cooling it is negligible. Chest freezers have better insulation and door seals, which is why they're more efficient.
- brnt 4y agoI have every single device plugged in to a switchable extension cord for this reason. No need to trust a manufacturer, not even a 1-5W consumption (times the number of devices).
- foepys 4y agoI also put everything except my fridge, freezer, and router on switchable extension cords. Why waste even a single watt-hour on things I don't use?
- RL_Quine 4y agoIt feels like over optimization. The base load of my house is around 1kW which is still completely irrelevant in the scheme of how much owning the property costs. The literal cost you’re adding as well as the mental cost of having to switch things on and off all the time shouldn’t be ignored. There’s a timer on the outlets for the soldering gear though, that adds a bit of peace of mind.
- zbrozek 4y agoIn the PG&E service territory in California, that base load will run you about $5500 annually. That's more than the property tax on my townhouse.
- sokoloff 4y agoYou guys are over $0.60/kWh?! That’s 3x what we’re paying in MA (known for “not cheap” electricity). That would make an EV much less attractive as well.
- zbrozek 4y ago42 to 49 cents depending on time of day. https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-TOU-C.pdf https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHED...
- gausswho 4y agoChromecast doesn't have a power sleep mode right? I e always wondered why especially since it can CEC power on when asked to. Maybe there's a device that I can use to proxy between Chromecast and TV to do this?
- kevincox 4y agoI use the chromecast to wake up the TV via CEC. Just starting to play something will turn on the TV. If only it could turn off the TV instead of showing the wallpapers it would be perfect.
- LeoPanthera 4y agoMy TV (and everything connected to it) is connected to a power strip which is connected to a HomeKit switchable outlet. When I'm not watching TV the entire power strip is simply turned off. Standby power: 0W
- thelopa 4y agoHow much power does the switchable outlet itself draw?
- LeoPanthera 4y agoThat's a good question. I've never measured it... until right now. According to my plug-in power meter, half a watt. Which I think is the lowest amount the meter can display.
- lolive 4y agoJust for my understanding: What is the power consumption of a Apple TV in idle mode? and of a Raspberry Pi in idle mode?
- closewith 4y agoAccording to this article,.3W at idle and up to 5.58W when streaming (both measured at the socket): https://www.techspot.com/news/95809-streaming-media-player-power-consumption-compared.html https://www.techspot.com/news/95809-streaming-media-player-p...
- xani_ 4y agoidle as in OS not running is around 2.5W for rPi. No real power management on rpi either so you can't sleep.
- kuratkull 4y agoJust measured my RPi Zero 2, it took 0.5-1W without HDMI after bootup.
- jerlam 4y agoCould be a poor implementation of Chromecast standard when integrated into the TV's. My Chromecast connected to my TV is also powered by a USB port on the TV. It seems to turn off when the TV is in standby, I have to wait for it to initialize when I turn my TV on. This detail could have been easily lost over the years. I do agree with people who say the Chromecast was best when it first came out. It did one thing well (albeit in an indirect way). Like all hardware, it has been slowly adding more and more features that will require it to draw more power, connect to the internet more, track more usage, integrate with more Google services, etc.
- eisa01 4y agoThat may be the TV not delivering power to the USB port when in standby That’s how this Sony behaves
- gernb 4y agoHow much does an Apple TV 4k 2nd gen use? My 4k first gen turned off when I turned off the TV. The 2nd gen does not. I assume it has something to do with the iot support
- mradek 4y agoI bought a 55” LG 4k tv in 2018 and I am so glad that I bought it before all this always-on ads-infused nonsense became integrated. It works great and I hope it lasts a long time.
- Forge36 4y agoSure enough my newer (2018?) TV was doing this. Dug into the settings and turned on eco mode. Idling around 0.5 to 1 watt now. Probably time I go around looking at whats eating up power.
- hey2022 4y agoIs there a reliable device certification that I should look for when buying electronics? Also, after reading this thread I decided to invest into a power consumption metering device.
- Rizz 4y agoA modern phone with a 5 Ah ( ~ 18.5 Wh) battery can run for many hours streaming to a builtin screen, meaning it uses far less (anything over 45 minutes is more energy efficient) than a chromecast despite doing more. Same scenario with a laptop with a 60 Wh battery, which can also run a long time in idle, and even while streaming, and is able to resume from sleep in a second. Running more than 2.5 hours on battery means it's more energy efficient than a Chromecast.
- elcomet 4y agoYour smartphone does much less, not more. When you are casting your smartphone on a built-in tv, the TV is doing all the work (downloading and decoding the signal). Your phone is just a fancy remote control. The Chromecast is downloading the video and sending it to the TV on the contrary.
- kalleboo 4y agoThe person you're replying to is talking about playing the video directly on the phone, not casting. An iPhone 14 Pro Max can play streamed video on the internal display for literally 25 hours on a single charge. edit: the 14 Pro Max has a 17 Wh battery, which means it draws 0.7 W streaming and displaying video.
- lizardactivist 4y agoIt's really a problem with how Google Chromecast works, it requires the TV to be in a powered-on state. You can just turn it off.
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- jbotdev 4y agoI have a Sony OLED TV from 2020 with Android TV and Chromecast, and power usage on my UPS is reporting as 0W when off (probably rounding down). I never had to disable it, but I also never setup network connectivity or the Android TV features in the first place.
- pGuitar 4y agoI like my dumb monitor that doesn't have cable or even DTV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television)...
- renewiltord 4y agoHonestly, I can't give a fuck, dude. We have unlimited clean energy at our fingertips. If you want me to give a fuck about this, first let go of that. I'm for energy production maximization so that we can stop worrying about whether this is a problem.
- jonathantf2 4y agoWhat about cost? Having this TV running idle 24/7 would cost about £150 a year with current rates, and that’s only due to go up
- renewiltord 4y agoThat's just free money, right? I find that convincing. It's not much, but it's just burned for no utility. Cool. Consider me convinced.
- bagels 4y agoMy 'smart tv', which is used once a week, is plugged in to a light switch. Small improvement in privacy and in power consumption.
- unixhero 4y agoI even have a separate chromecast connected to my Sony tv. The builtin doesn't appear until the TV has booted up and is nicely ready for use. While the original chrome cast ultra I can reach no matter what, and casting to it starts the TV up.
- freetime2 4y agoJust checked my Sony Android TV from 2019 and found it is drawing 16W while turned off. Turning off the Chromecast built-in service, the remote start service, and enabling Eco mode did not seem to make a difference. I already disliked this TV and was unlikely to buy another from Sony (for example occasionally it will “crash” while in standby mode and stop responding to any input, requiring me to unplug it and plug it back in). But learning this further damages my opinion of both Sony and Google.
- eisa01 4y agoIt takes a minute or two to settle down If that still fails, try disabling wifi and disconnect the ethernet
- Bud 4y agoIt's really to the point now where we need to ban "smart" TVs, since every single one of the manufacturers is demonstrably unable to handle the responsibility of engineering these things correctly. Sony can't do software, Samsung can't, Google as a proxy is even worse than letting Sony do it, TCL can't, Apple doesn't make a TV. Nobody can handle it. And it's bad for consumers even IF they could do it competently, since TVs need to last a decade and none of this software is decently reliable for a decade's worth of upgrades. Fucking ban it and be done with it. If the Euros are going to force Apple to adopt USB-C, which is idiotic, then we can do this, too, which would actually do some good.
- delfinom 4y agoVizio TVs do the same and use about the same 25W. You have to turn on "eco mode" in the settings which increases boot time.
- strangattractor 4y agoIt waste your time and even more power when you watch it:)
- revlolz 4y agoBought a mid tier bravia from best buy and loved it at first, but the ui has become so slow and is bombarded with ads. Also cannot disable featured ads and app suggestions/channels from Sony. I hate it.
- userbinator 4y agoWhat does it need to use 25W for? Is the CPU running in a busy-wait loop for some reason?
- kstenerud 4y agoMy new Philips dumb TV just arrived this weekend and I must say I'm impressed with the power draw. In default calibration, it draws 24w. But since it's in the bedroom and is only used at night, I've set it to ultra-eco mode and lowered the brightness for night viewing. Now the TV along an Amazon Fire TV stick powered by its USB port draw a combined 13w! In standby mode, the power draw doesn't even register on my meter.
- yurishimo 4y agoCan you link the model you purchased? I’m in the market for a new TV and Philips is literally in my backyard.
- kstenerud 4y agoPhilips 32PHS5507/12: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B09ZHVSVYP For a larger TV (like 50-60 inches) a good on-paper power consumption amount would be between 50 and 70w. You can lower that drastically if the TV has an eco mode and is a dumb TV. In Europe they have to provide a "Product fiche" that lists a number of things including power draw, and an overall "grade". TVs basically never go below grade E because the rules are far too strict. Oh, also the power LED on this TV is SUPER ANNOYING! I had to open the TV (just a bunch of philips screws), pull out the IR receiver circuit board, and cover the LED with electrical tape (the LED, not the IR receiver).
- yurishimo 4y agoOoof 768p is a dealbreaker for me unfortunately. Especially since it is meant to be used in a smaller room where you may be sitting closer. While I have your attention, are the energy ratings seen on electronic devices generally a big jump in real world usage between the various tiers? I just moved to the EU from the U.S. so all of this is very new to me. Thanks!
- kstenerud 4y agoFor TVs the jumps between grades isn't that big TBH, like maybe on the order of 10-15w per grade. You can get a feel for it by searching for TVs on one of the European amazon sites and clicking on the product fiche link for each one. My living room TV consumes 70w (as measured by me), which is not the best, but considering how often it's actually turned on it doesn't make enough of a difference. 10w of power draw equates to 3.5kwh per year if the TV is only on for an average of an hour per day, which would cost me a little over 1 euro. The reason why I replaced the bedroom TV was because it didn't have a shutoff timer, so it would stay on for days if I didn't notice, drawing 37w the whole time (325kwh, or 115 euros per year if it stayed on the whole year). The biggest ticket items for energy efficient replacement are any appliances that stay on long term (fridge), your oven if you use it a lot (get an air fryer or a combined microwave/grill), any computers that stay on all day, and anything with bad standby consumption (get an energy meter like this one: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MHNGWDM https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00MHNGWDM). Also, if you need additional electrical heating in the winter, an oil heater is the most efficient. DeLonghi makes the best ones, for example https://www.amazon.de/-/en/DeLonghi-TRRS0920-electric-radiator-levels/dp/B00ZUUEBOQ https://www.amazon.de/-/en/DeLonghi-TRRS0920-electric-radiat... And never underestimate the savings from good insulation!
- harry8 4y agoI've got a sony google bravia and have disabled everything I can think of, chromecast, remote start, bluetooth etc. Cannot get it under 12W when switched off. Can't believe I got suckered like that. There really should be consequences. Nobody would reasonably think their tv is sucking juice like that when turned off.
- thro388 4y agoYou could propably return it as defective. At least in EU there is a regulation about maximal standby power usage.
- laundermaf 4y agoHow would you even go about this though? What store will accept a return “because it consumes too much power when off?” They most likely don’t even have tools available to verify the claim. Even if you ship it to Sony, when will you see your refund?
- ljf 4y agoYes, if you took it to the store you bought it from either with a print off of the relevant parts of thst thread, or my smart plugs also show power consumption, I could screen shot that and take it in. I honestly don't think you'd have an issue at all doing that in the UK at any of the main highstreet electronic stores, or somewhere like John Lewis.
- exodust 4y agoDon't forget to check power usage after a few minutes. My old Panasonic TV from 2007 would switch to a pre-standby state initially, then to a "deep standby" after about 60 seconds when the power usage dropped below 1 watt. Regarding Sony, I found them the worst offender for standby power in my home stereo equipment which I've now replaced.
- benhurmarcel 4y agoIt could be worth setting it up on a controlled power outlet.
- drusepth 4y agoI would imagine most people don't go behind their TV hook up their little HDMI dongle every time they want to use it, so it seems reasonable to have a comparable wattage drawn when it's built-in -- but this is significantly higher than what it looks like an idle Chromecast draws (1.8-2W). Why is it so much more?
- Beldin 4y agoNo, I put mine on a power block with an off switch. When not using that block (most of the time), it should draw 0.0W.
- cat_plus_plus 4y agoIf you run an always on server on every gadget you have at home, don't be surprised if you energy bill starts looking like a datacenter.
- gempir 4y agoI own a Sony A80J and this is also what I was measuring. I'm thankful I did measure this before just blindly turning the feature on. I have a Bose Soundbar also with Chromecast and that one doesn't suck down 25W+ while on standby and can thankfully turn on the TV via HDMI CEC. Sadly the whole OS experience is shitty on the TV. It's 2500€+ TV and the UI is sluggish, Tv takes at least 5-10 Seconds to turn on each time and still comes with the classic google ad like interface. I bought a Chromecast remote that works via bluetooth to somewhat make the remote feel a bit faster, but it sadly just makes a tiny difference. Nvidia Shield still feels like the only real option when you want a non sluggish Interface on your multi-thousand euro/dollar purchase.
- izacus 4y agoI found something like that on my Sony STR-DN1080 receiver as well - I bought it here in EU and found out that it can't be powered on via AirPlay/Chromecast/Spotify like Denons or Maranzes can. Why? Because it apparently uses 30-35W (!!!) while being in so-called "Network standby" mode which was not legal per EU regulation. The US/Asia models happily gulp down that much power by default though.
- jasonm23 4y agoI found it's simplest to just put the power through a IoT smart plug and tell Google/Alexa/Siri to turn it/them off/on when I want it. Standby draw on those things is very low, 1-2Wh.
- eternityforest 4y agoHow is that even possible? A tablet at full power doesn't use that much. That's way above and beyond what you'd expect even a laptop(Or at least one I've owned recently) to do. I don't even think something like a RasPi 4 physically can pull that much. Is this chip shortage related and they just couldn't find some regulator or something and used linear?
- chalupa-man 4y agoIt's not chip shortage related, the TV models being discussed are from 2015-16.
- hybridtupel 4y agoWhenever I read something like this I am wondering if there was still some TV without any of these „smart“ features. Just a screen and the receiver for television. Then I can connect an Apple TV, Xbox, PlayStation or whatever. Isn’t there a demand for that? I mean I don’t need another device which breaks or is unsafe to use after 2 years because it doesn’t get any more updates.
- wil421 4y agoI have 2 Sony Android TVs and never connected them to the internet in 5+ years. I use it just as you described, the Apple TV drives everything. No updates in 5 years and not a single issue.
- thebitstick 4y agoYet another reason to ignore the "smarts" of your smart TV and use an external box.