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Medical student surgically implants Bluetooth into own ear to cheat in final
- cat_plus_plus 5y agoIf he/she performed a surgery on a hard to reach area of themselves and there were no complications, maybe let them pass, it's kind of impressive?
- artful-hacker 5y ago“The devices have been confiscated and their answer sheets were seized. They were given new answer sheets,” he said. Unbelievable. They should have been banned forever.
- gowld 5y agoIt's pending investigation to document and confirm the facts. > An internal investigation has begun in the matter by the university examination committee and devices have been sent for examination. > After the conclusion of the investigation it would be determined whether the case merits a police case for using unfair means in an exam
- inimino 5y agoThey way they handled it was exactly the correct one. You allow the test to continue with the minimum of disruptions for everyone. The academic consequences come later, after a university investigation, and they may face criminal charges as well, but the people who didn't cheat deserve to have their test proceed with the minimum possible disruption.
- spywaregorilla 5y agoMinimum possible disruption is almost certainly taking him out of the room?
- dharmab 5y agoEver seen someone removed from a room who didn't want to leave? It's not quiet.
- thawaya3113 5y agoI suspect the only people who can decide what would minimize disruption are the people who were actually there.
- inimino 5y agoThe frisking could have been done one-by-one in an adjacent room. But once you find the cheating, the best way is to let the test continue as normally as possible. Otherwise it creates a huge distraction for the other students as they wonder why that student had to leave.
- kenniskrag 5y agothe person is usually accused and maybe not guilty. Normaly you let them finish the exam and start the legal stuff afterwards (proof, counter arguments etc.)
- Zenbit_UX 5y agoIndeed. It can also serve as additional proof if on the new answer sheet given after confiscating the devices, the exam taker performs significantly worse than on the original answer sheet.
- ineedasername 5y agoDepends on how quietly he goes. Asking someone nicely who went to such lengths to cheat might turn bad fast, and then you're looking at the potential for physical altercations, calling security, etc. Or you just give them another sheet and worry about punishments later.
- sodality2 5y agoActually doing nothing and stopping them on the way out would be ideal, in my opinion. It gives them the chance to get cocky ("woohoo haven't get caught yet let me ramp this up a bit") and be more obvious about it, as well. (Unless it's the kind of cheating that disrupts others, of course, but hopefully it isn't?)
- Frost1x 5y ago>they may face criminal charges as well Criminal charges for cheating on an exam? Seems a bit absurd to me. I'm all for preventing fraud (especially when were talking about peoples lives), but I also like to think I'm a reasonable human being and criminal action seems unfounded here. It sounds to me like expectations and filters for exams are too unrealistic now combined with lack of alternative realizable opportunities, otherwise you wouldn't see this level of cheating nonsense. Every day I see more and more ridiculous levels of competitive forces pushed on the bulk of society just to survive and it makes me wonder where the tipping point for social competitive forces for survival begin to exceed natural forces for survival and faith in societies destabilize to a point people just stop participating or at the very least many just "give up." You already see this in Japan, Korea, China (tang ping, "lying flat") and it seems to be an increasing trend in the US. I'm not intimately familiar with India but from what I have seen, it's not roses there either. We have some fundamentally skewed power and control mechansim increasingly governing people in 'democratic societies' to which citizens seem to have little real democratic say in anymore.
- spoonjim 5y agoCheating in a medical exam can get an unqualified person licensed as a doctor. It can have serious consequences and kill lots of people. In a regular college exam I think criminal charges are a bit much but for a public safety related exam like doctor, pilot, etc. I think it's appropriate.
- erosenbe0 5y agoAdults are adults. 18 year-olds who defraud the military face punishment (with due process). Nearly all universities take public money and should stop treating 18 year-olds like children who need to be coddled on publicly subsidized dime. That being said, most such punishment records should generally be expunged once rehabilitation has been completed. We're all human and make mistakes, and only a pattern of misconduct should be permanently on record.
- erosenbe0 5y agoCheating on licensure tests at publicly subsidized institutions is hardcore fraud. Why should there be a carve out for white-collar crime like that?
- savant_penguin 5y agoThat was the professor intent all along to teach students how to implant devices. Just like when you are allowed a cheatsheet for the exam
- cushychicken 5y agoIn a roundabout way: surgically implanting electronics arguably qualifies the perpetrator. Though, I suppose if this was a test of their skill in cosmetic surgery, then detection certainly would count as a failure.
- boomboomsubban 5y agoFirst, there's no reason to think the student implanted it themselves. Second, I think most amateurs could probably cut someone open, put something in and stitch it up. Not causing further complications would be the hard part.
- changoplatanero 5y agoi can't read the article cause it's paywalled. I wonder if he did the surgery himself or had an accomplice
- gs17 5y agoThe article doesn't seem to say for sure, but it implies it was done by someone else.
- FatalLogic 5y agoIf he implanted it himself, that would imply impressive surgical skills edit: paywall bypass https://archive.ph/CCXpf https://archive.ph/CCXpf
- jotm 5y agoDoes it? Seems like being able to cut and stitch yourself is the hardest part. Funny story, I dealt with a pylonidal cyst on my tailbone by myself. I did not expect that much blood tbh (along with very stinky puss... sorry for the detail), but I managed to drain and clean it. Apparently you need surgery for those... it really wasn't that hard, cutting in was the hardest part, but at that point the pain from it was worse.
- JasonFruit 5y agoIt's pus, not puss. What you wrote could give a false impression.
- jotm 5y agoYou're right, my mistake. I do hate it when cats come out of infected spots.
- Goz3rr 5y agoThere's an "I'll try later" button that removes the register/login prompt.
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- toxik 5y agoFeel like it should’ve been a false tooth instead. Perhaps of blue color.
- recursiveturtle 5y agoThere's a $1000 in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
- geoffeg 5y ago"Kent. Wake up Kent. I'm talking to you, Kent. This is Jesus, Kent, and you've been a very naughty boy."
- arcticbull 5y agoWith bone conduction audio via adjacent teeth, that would be achievable, less invasive and probably easier to avoid detection of. [edit] omg [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoundBite_Hearing_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoundBite_Hearing_System
- samstave 5y agoAnd a poison gas, when you bite down, blow it into the face of the Baron, and he will feel the revenge for killing my wife. A revenge so storng, even the Mind Conditioning for Loyalty cannot even contain my hate and revenge.
- Zenbit_UX 5y agoSeems like the company went out of business because medicaid didn't cover it. I would be curious if such a device exists that could pair with a phone or laptop. A broken tooth could be capped with one of these false tooth implants and so long as there's a hygienic way to remove and clean + charge it I'd be very curious to try one.
- swores 5y agoThey weren't exactly as small and subtle as a false tooth: https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/sonitus.png?resize=560%2C186&strip=all https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/sonitus.p... and http://rolandocabral.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/soundbite_rolandos-logbook.jpg http://rolandocabral.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/soundbit...
- awa 5y agoNon paywall story: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/mp-student-gets-bluetooth-device-surgically-fitted-in-ear-to-cheat-101645552710157.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/mp-student-gets-bl...
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- 0des 5y agoIf they did it themself just get them the green scrubs and the rest will fall into place. Stackoverflow is about to get much more interesting.
- skye-adaire 5y agohttps://youtu.be/ntMYssVeyl0 https://youtu.be/ntMYssVeyl0
- JoeAltmaier 5y agoWhen does it become 'biological enhancement'? Maybe all doctors should have a bluetooth implanted, to connect them to an AI or online consultants at all times?
- samstave 5y agoExactly ; A favorite joke: "One shouldn't do [that medical procedure], as GOD made you perfect and you shouldn't mess with God's! plan!!!" > Thats an interesting comment, may I ask - was God's plan to manufacture those glasses such that you can see clearly and read such from that book, made by man?
- jotm 5y agoI used that argument for Jehova's witnesses and religious whatchacallthem on the streets... it's pointless
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- yakubin 5y agoNit: practically everyone believes in invisible things, e.g. electrons, or black holes. :)
- colinmhayes 5y agoIn a similar vein... A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help. Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, “Jump in, I can save you.” The stranded fellow shouted back, “No, it’s OK, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me.” So the rowboat went on. Then a motorboat came by. “The fellow in the motorboat shouted, “Jump in, I can save you.” To this the stranded man said, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” So the motorboat went on. Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, “Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety.” To this the stranded man again replied, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.” So the helicopter reluctantly flew away. Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, “I had faith in you but you didn’t save me, you let me drown. I don’t understand why!” To this God replied, “I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?” I know a few doctors who have told me they've used this one on people who refuse care for religious reasons. Unfortunately they said it rarely works.
- aaaaaaaaaaab 5y agoHmm… about 10 years ago I helped a friend pass an oral exam by talking to him over the phone. He had this “headset” that came in two parts: a tiny magnet that you insert into your ear canal, and a necklace that your put under your shirt, which was basically a large coil that vibrated the magnet in your ear.
- samstave 5y agoMy apologies for said joke: >I need you to help me pass an oral exam >>Whats the subject? >>>Biology >>>>uh... whats your gag relfex like?*
- MengerSponge 5y agoSounds like a re-tasked hearing aid
- 4a3f35b5a 5y agoWould love to know more details about this! - How did the "necklace" connect to a phone? (Since you were talking over the phone) - Was it bidirectional communication? How did friend communicate with you?
- tylergetsay 5y agoThese are pretty easy to find online: https://www.ebay.com/itm/254882338954 https://www.ebay.com/itm/254882338954 Id rather fail an exam than put a tiny magnet into my ear in the hopes to get it back out...
- endisneigh 5y agoShould’ve just used Anki religiously for a year or so instead. Speaking of cheating though, I heard they have directional speakers that have a spread of only like a foot. With something like that it seems like it’d be easy to cheat.
- gowld 5y ago11 years, per the article.
- jerf 5y ago"Speaking of cheating though, I heard they have directional speakers that have a spread of only like a foot. With something like that it seems like it’d be easy to cheat." Yeah, but they still spread enough to be audible, and the reflections are audible as well. In a testing environment it would be hard to completely hide. I'm surprised so many people speak of these as something they haven't experienced. I recall at least two grocery stores I've been in using these to beam ads at people while they were in line, and that was years ago, and I'm not in SV either, it's not like people around here use cutting edge tech for the heck of it very often. Mercifully, they didn't last long. While I didn't enjoy the ads, I did enjoy the opportunity to hear exactly how they work and get a sense of their strengths and weaknesses. (It is absolutely true that they are garbage at bass frequencies, and the lower midrange as well. The ads were all voiced by women, because I'm not sure men would even have been comprehensible. I mean that literally. Their lowest frequency response is that high. As clever as they are it's not a surprise we don't hear them more often. They are super specialist gear not suitable for most tasks.)
- anotherman554 5y agoI read a blog post once by someone who used Anki and was failing medical school, and didn't think Anki was a good tool for them.
- beebmam 5y agoCheating in college should be punishable with prison and heavy fines. It's essentially fraud. I certainly don't think doctors who earn their credentials through cheating should be allowed to practice in any sense
- tmp_anon_22 5y agoIts an open secret that tutors do a significant portion of work for star athletes, to say nothing about punishments being different for international students caught cheating.
- slothtrop 5y agoCheats are usually foreigners who pay more tuition, so they tolerate it. Pay-to-win.
- cgrealy 5y agoThere's a shocking amount of racism in this thread.
- slothtrop 5y agoMaybe you'd care to point it out? I know people in faculty, this is what is reported. A google search would suggest the same. It's far more culturally accepted to cheat in University in certain parts of the world, e.g. India, Saudi Arabia. In fact let me do it for you, here's one article on it - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/29/india-exam-cheating-internet-shutdown/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/29/india-exam-c... Stop projecting and grow up.
- cgrealy 5y ago> Maybe you'd care to point it out? Sure. Here's a good example. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30676394 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30676394
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- bitwize 5y agoIf he did it himself I think he deserves extra credit, even if he gets a zero on the exam.
- CraneWorm 5y ago> Students getting caught in mass cheating or deploying sly means to not get caught is not uncommon in India where competition is fierce as aspirants outnumber the number of vacancies for a job and seats in colleges for courses. I'd like to read a long form piece on this subject. What's being done about it? India is a huge country, they need specialists no doubt!
- YossarianFrPrez 5y ago"The Mystery of India's Deadly Exam Scam" is an excellent piece on the subject: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/the-mystery-of-indias-deadly-exam-scam https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/the-mystery-of...
- genedan 5y agoEconomically, this puzzles me. I'd think that if quantity supplied were so high the equilibrium wage would drop to the point where excess people would stop trying to become doctors, or at least to the point where surgically implanting things wouldn't be worth the hassle. Is there something in India propping up wages for those professions?
- sdeframond 5y agoMaybe the number of licenses issued is limited by law? It is the case in France for example.
- thawaya3113 5y agoWhat matters is not the number of doctors but the number of doctors per capita. India has both low number of doctors per capita, and low supply for educating doctors.
- SQueeeeeL 5y agoYou'd also think the 40 hour work week would be a thing of the past with automation. People are just very good at building walked gardens and elite communities while forcing others to be "lower class"
- scyzoryk_xyz 5y agoMy first thought wasn’t how did he do it, but how did he got caught. Then it turned out that a squad came to interrogate and search which sounds ridiculous. And then it turned out that he admitted to it. And then another student was caught with a non-implant device. Sounds ridiculous
- VectorLock 5y agoIf you've ever posted any job listings in tech recently you might have seen first hand how pervasive "fake it til you make it" is.
- owlbynight 5y agoOr if you've ever worked in tech, or interacted with any sales teams. My wife is looking to make a career change and I told her work in low level tech because it literally doesn't matter what you know. Nobody will know what you don't know.
- abledon 5y ago'low level' tech ? like writing drivers and stuff in C?
- VectorLock 5y agoPresumably he means "junior."
- bencollier49 5y agoIt pays off for those people because eventually they'll run into a non-technical hirer, who'll take 2 months to realise that they've made a mistake. Rinse and repeat.
- engineeringwoke 5y agoThere are institutions that are absolutely filled with these kinds of people. It's pretty much a feature, not a bug, at those places. They perceive themselves as "hustlers" and that everyone else is doing it more than them.
- VectorLock 5y agoI really want to call some of these places referenced on their resume and see if they're outright lying or these places have just departments of people who don't do anything and people filling them just to get referral bonuses or kickbacks from the people they're placing there.
- donatj 5y ago> A university squad of the Devi Ahilya Bai University came for a surprise check and they found one student with a mobile phone and another with some Bluetooth device It's been 15+ years since I've been in any sort of major exams. Are surprise checks like this common these days?
- karaterobot 5y agoThe article did not explain how the device was used for cheating. I'm ready to assume that was his intent, but in what matter would it have been employed? Was he receiving answers from a third party? That seems easy to spot: just look for the guy who is reading the questions out loud. Probably they should just have people go through a metal detector before the test, to identify all these hidden devices.
- boomboomsubban 5y ago>Probably they should just have people go through a metal detector before the test, to identify all these hidden devices. How would a metal detector stop it? If you say the metal detector is picking up a piece of shrapnel from an accident while young, how can they really disprove that?
- hutzlibu 5y ago"If you say the metal detector is picking up a piece of shrapnel from an accident while young, how can they really disprove that?" X-Rays? MRI? Or requesting medical documents about it? (can all be done afterwards)
- boomboomsubban 5y agoSure it's possible, but that's asking a lot just to take a test.
- hutzlibu 5y agoI do not think, many people have metal from accidents in their body. So it would be a rare exception.
- karaterobot 5y agoThe same way metal detectors work in other places, like airports: if you set off the detector for a valid medical reason, you should be prepared to show the card your doctor gave you attesting to this fact.
- humansuit 5y agoAssuming the student implanted the device in their own ear, they did learn enough to be dangerous. They'll show up as a transhumanist influencer at best and a back alley surgeon at worst.
- after_care 5y agoIs there any literature about implanting such a device?
- oblio 5y agoAsking for a friend?
- after_care 5y agoI'm curious because the last time I surveyed the literature of diy implantable devices there didn't seem to be anything on a power source strong enough for a bluetooth device to operate for hours at a time.
- zeepzeep 5y agoThere are, lithium batteries. The problem is, they outgas and explode. People do not want to implant these batteries, even with a low failrate and detectors. There were things, e.g. the NorthStar implant, which became EmbediVet. But for aforementioned safety issues, it wasn't even used for cows. Passive tech is the only thing right now (RFID, NFC)
- zeepzeep 5y agoSimilar, this is about magnets in ears. https://forum.dangerousthings.com/t/tragus-implants-and-you-but-also-me/5382 https://forum.dangerousthings.com/t/tragus-implants-and-you-... https://forum.biohack.me/index.php?p=/discussion/2642/tragus-implants https://forum.biohack.me/index.php?p=/discussion/2642/tragus... Both forums are the right place to find that info, though biohack.me is kinda dead.
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- pugworthy 5y agoI guess with my fully BTE integrated hearing aids I'd be suspected of cheating. If they even knew I had them on. If you're not familiar with modern behind the ear hearing aids, Bluetooth is pretty common on better ones. It's like ear buds in an extremely discrete for that also happen to help you hear normally.
- beeskneecaps 5y agoThat's so interesting. I (and I imagine many other people) wouldn't have the guts to confront you about removing your hearing aid, even if I knew that they had bluetooth capabilities.
- chucknthem 5y agoYC interviewer: "Please tell us about the time you most successfully hacked some (non-computer) system to your advantage?" Medical student: "one time I hacked my ear..."
- twayt 5y agoA lot of people are missing the bigger point here. This person was just one who got caught. The likelihood that they’re the first one to think or do this is very low. There are probably more sophisticated ways of using tech to cheat and I would be very surprised if they haven’t been employed in high stakes exams like this before.
- duxup 5y agoThe article says stories of cheating are common. I think the manner is what makes this story interesting.
- ethanbond 5y agoObviously cheating happens all the time. What GP is saying is that this manner might not even be that extraordinary.
- rdtsc 5y agoExactly. Then imagine the ones who didn't get caught enter the workforce and are the ones performing surgery or other life critical procedures.
- fredoliveira 5y ago> and are the ones performing surgery In fairness, this one person proved they can do implants :')
- twayt 5y agoYup, and their lack of moral compass combined with sufficient craftiness to hack the system could have major implications in the workforce. They'll be incompetent and unethical but hard to detect.
- krageon 5y ago> lack of moral compass > could have major implications in the workforce I don't think this is the case. Large bodies of people already operate as if they are completely amoral today (and realistically must be engaged with as if they are to get anywhere), so what major implications could a single actor with "lack of a moral compass" really have? That's completely ignoring the issue where I'm not sure what it is even supposed to be.
- jcadam 5y agoOne of the wackier pitches in an early season of Shark Tank was similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDkDg33uGuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDkDg33uGuc My favorite part is when he describes the recharging procedure :D
- bsenftner 5y agoI wager this guy is fielding calls from screenwriters about now. This would be a good comedy.
- nonrandomstring 5y agoWe are in an arms race now. Turnitin. Proctoring. Next? Airport style security scanners at the exam hall. I wrote about this arms race recently [1] and where it will lead. The problem is really that, under conditions of self-commodification (reification), intrinsic motivation to learn and be a better person is replaced by extrinsic motivation to appear to be a better person. The experience (simulation) means more than the reality - which is a general trend in Western society now proved by the very existence of the company Meta. https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/we-cant-teach-technological-dystopia https://www.timeshighereducation.com/features/we-cant-teach-...
- jimbob45 5y agoIt seems to me that TurnItIn and proctoring take care of 99% of problems in exams if the exams are well-constructed such that consulting hidden notes wouldn't help much. The 1% of exams that remain problematic are the memorization-style exams that maybe shouldn't still exist in the modern age.
- jvanderbot 5y agoRight. there are plenty of exams in tech that require plain old practice and on-the-spot ingenuity. However, for medical and other fields, memorization and recall is key, so it's rife for this kind of cheating. But honestly, if someone were to tattoo the same information onto their arm, there's an argument to be made it was permanently accessible just as much as memory.
- asdff 5y agoI mean it is kind of stupid even for medical. You are never in the middle of the desert having the memorize the mechanical properties of the inner ear. Every doctor there is has reference books in reality. Why not let people just bring those books to their exams if that's how the job actually works in reality? Learning how to consult a reference for information is just another mental offshoring tool like a calculator, so its a little silly when exams force you to work without it.
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- firebird 5y agoHow did I know this man was Indian or was in India? Lol.
- srvmshr 5y agoIn my undergrad days, my sibling's medical college (KMC Mangalore) had an interesting case where the student had hired the service of a rice-engraving artist to etch complete medical manuals onto the sides of metallic ballpoint pens. He was wearing a high powered lens as bifocals. He was caught because he was noticed shuffling a wad of pens too often & then the bifocal glasses were peculiar, prompting some investigation. He had paid the grain-engraving artist to the tune of $30,000-35,000 for the whole set (2006). It is a lot of money!
- exikyut 5y agoThe massive irony is that the rice-engraving artist may well have then stood the chance to get a decent head start in medicine. I've long theorized that copying/transcribing information can be a great way to meditate in a way conducive to retaining and learning new data. Depends on their skill level, and how much focus there was on the process of engraving vs temporarily memorizing the next block of info to transcribe.
- agumonkey 5y agoI never went to med school, but in HS I had my beloved modded HP48 that could store loads of text. I didn't manage to wire it to my computer so I resorted to type everything manually. After a whole day of char-by-char input.. I knew everything by heart and didn't need to look it up in the calculator.
- no1lives4ever 5y agoReminds me of my attempts to make cheat sheets that I would use during exams. I would write out a small cheat sheet the night before I never needed to use those cheat sheets as I would always remember whatever I had written on them. After a few cases when I remembered the whole contents of those sheets, I would just use them as last minute revision aid and discard them before getting into the examination hall.
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- wildmanx 5y agoJust for completeness since I didn't find a comment yet mentioning it: Time to turn exam halls into Faraday cages.
- whateveracct 5y agoNot surprising. A lot of med students are status- and money-seeking people first and foremost. That's why you gotta shop around for doctors when you can and evaluate them as people.
- ramesh31 5y agoAt what point will we start to accept human cybernetic enhancement as legitimate? We are literally one technological step away from all humans being able to communicate telepathically. Society is going to have to adapt to this reality. If a test can be gamed this easily, then it is a very poor test and I would not trust its' filtering ability at all moving forward. Rote learning will be a thing of the past once we are all augmented with the entirety of human knowledge accessible by thought.
- oblio 5y agoWe are "one technological step" away from many things. Fermat's last theorem was formulated in 1637 and proven in 1995, 358 years later. In those 358 years we can assume that at least 4 very long lived generations of people lived (more like 6-10 based on average life expectancies at the time). Being "close" to something doesn't mean anything. Doing it is the real challenge. Everything before that is wishful thinking.
- cgrealy 5y agoEven if we don't have direct computer to brain comms yet, the fact remains that most people now have constant access to any information accessible on the internet. At some point, we are going to have to figure out how to test understanding instead of knowledge. I distinctly remember being asked "what is the win32 function that does X" in an interview many years ago. My answer was "no idea, that's what msdn is for".
- bredren 5y agoBringing this home—there is a Pycharm integration for Leetcode right now. But it is reasonable that any programmer familiar with the assistance of an IDE would want the syntax highlighting, formatting and more mapped into the browser during live coding exercises.
- IncRnd 5y agoThe medical student who found a surgeon to implant bluetooth in his ear could have instead paid that surgeon for tutoring and kept his ear canal open.
- balls187 5y agoReminds me of programming in physics formulas in a Ti-83. Turns out, the act of programming the formula made it easy for me to recall it without cheating.
- eunos 5y agoThis remind me of how strict Chinese national exams are (Gaokao). They even have signal jammers to prevent external communication.
- jupp0r 5y agoTime for exams that test your understanding of the field instead of just test whether you have crammed a lot of unrelated facts into your brain.
- vjust 5y agoMaybe the dude needs to be working on a bio-tech / wearable-computing startup... if he's willing to go this far. But I guess its a moral stain. If its his 11th year, why not pass him for his sheer persistence.
- lmarcos 5y agoI still remember the exams I had to pass when I was studying computer science. In some cases, professors let you take to the exam any material, books or notes you wanted; the point was: You are not going to pass the exam unless you understand the concepts, so there is no room for cheating.
- adhesive_wombat 5y agoYep, an open book exam is basically the perfect weapon against cheating. Plus for almost all subjects, including a lot of medicine actually, memorising stuff is not helpful in the field. If it's that important, you should double check anyway. The downside to open book exams is they can take a lot more effort to mark. And actually paying attention to filthy undergraduates is a bit infra dig, dontcha know?
- ookdatnog 5y agoWhen you have a direct line of communication with an outsider, open book or not doesn't matter, it's literally someone else taking the test for you.
- granshaw 5y agoI remember those and they were such a breath of fresh air. Just like coding interviews where you’re allowed to lookup docs, which is the case on the job
- cortesoft 5y agoYeah, I don't understand these sorts of memorization exams any more than I understand the "code this without using the internet" challenges for interviewing candidates... why is this an important skill to have?
- nnm 5y agoA way to avoid this is to make it possible to fail. I mean, when one fails medical exam, not too much pressure / shame on the student -- they can simply do other type of work.
- Firmwarrior 5y agoMan, that's an interesting point If you fail the Google entrance exam, you can retake it and/or work at any of a dozen of other great careers
- Slow_Hand 5y agoIf we are to assume that bluetooth implants and other embedded tech that can prompt a user near-instantly with information are an eventuality, I think there is an interesting question to consider: If everyday people have near-instant access to information, how will we continue to assess expertise moving forward? Surely it’s not enough to just have access to rote information, like in the case of the cheating test-taker. We will also expect our experts to have the deep understanding that comes from experience in a domain. Will we need different language to describe flavors of knowledge and expertise? If so, will the nature of test-taking and assessment need to evolve to identify people who actually have an understanding of the thing being tested, instead of testing for rote answers?
- ricardobeat 5y agoIsn’t this already the case? At least in my experience interviewing for software development, all the questions are meant to test understanding and the ability to explore and solve problems, never static knowledge.
- rocqua 5y agoRote regurgitation is only useful for teaching the basics, not advanced stuff. I propose testing this, asking students not to cheat, and catching cheaters later, in case they screwed themselves by skipping the basics. Why do math students need to know the sine doubling rule? Not so they can calculate with it (they could look that up) but so they can reduce certain expressions to sin(2x). That's why calculus teaches this stuff.
- murderfs 5y ago> Why do math students need to know the sine doubling rule? Not so they can calculate with it (they could look that up) but so they can reduce certain expressions to sin(2x). That's why calculus teaches this stuff. Why make math students memorize random trigonometric identities that they'll use once and then immediately forget when you could teach them a more general fact that they can derive the identities from? sin(2x) = Im(cos 2x + i sin 2x) = Im(e^2ix) = Im(e^ix * e^ix) = Im((cos x + i sin x)^2) = Im(cos^2 x + 2i cos x sin x + sin^2 x) = Im(cos^2 x - sin^2 x + 2i cos x sin x) = 2 cos x sin x
- raincom 5y agoAnother story [1] from 2017, where some guy who already cheated to become an IPS officer, tried to cheat again to become IAS. IPS (Indian Police Service), IAS(Indian Administrative Service), etc are legacy of the British Raj and their ICS (Indian civil service). Once you get through these exams, you will end being the top level bureaucrats in India. These officials collude with ministers to become super rich. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ips-officer-caught-cheating-in-upsc-mains-exam-bluetooth-1079295-2017-10-30 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ips-officer-caught-che...
- newsclues 5y agoThe failure of ethics is most troubling, because how can we solve it?
- sonicggg 5y agoThis is probably way more pervasive than we imagine. Several years ago they uncovered a large SAT cheating scheme, out of Thailand. They even made a movie about it : https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bad_genius https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bad_genius And that was using way more rudimentary technology. There are a lot of rich kids willing to pay their way to a deegre.
- FpUser 5y agoWhen I was in university we had that peculiar professor for Quantum Mech. He would let you choose any question sheet and use books to consult. And after you say you are ready he would briefly look at your answers and will fry your brain with the questions till you are dead. Usually all my university exams were 4s and 5s out of 5. I got 3 on quantum mech and considered myself extremely happy. Drank myself to death after that. Many of the people would be just told go home, study and return some other time. Phew. No gadget will save you from examiner like that one.
- mc4ndr3 5y agoIf the student had performed the surgery, that would have at least counted for something.
- PragmaticPulp 5y agoI'm extremely skeptical of this story, at least as written. It makes great clickbait, but it doesn't really make sense. Where would someone implant a bluetooth earpiece into their ear? There's not really a lot of empty space in that area unless someone is very overweight and the device is implanted in layers of fat adjacent to the ear, which aren't great at conducting sound. Did someone really wrap an earpiece in some bio-compatible material, put it in someone right before the test (battery life is limited), and that person was then in a low enough level of pain and/or on enough painkillers that they could still complete the test? I'm extremely doubtful. But the bigger question is: What use is a 1-way communication device? Did the student have a second cheating instrument to photograph the test and send it to someone off-site? Or did they have someone with the test answers reading them off in real-time ("Question 34 - Answer is C")? It seems this would only be useful in an extremely narrow set of circumstances, if it could be pulled off at all. Really though, why wouldn't someone just grow out their hair or wear a wig and put an earpiece under their hair? The idea of surgically implanting something that could be easily concealed seems like a modern urban legend.
- nathanyukai 5y ago1-way communication device are used in cheating all the time, it involves of someone that's really good at exams taking the same test, sneak out to the toilet and tell them the answers.
- cortesoft 5y agoBut aren't these sorts of tests usually randomized so that people next to each other aren't taking the same exact test?
- GekkePrutser 5y agoI've never seen that. Randomised per sitting yes. Within the same sitting no. Usually for important exams the desks are far enough apart.
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- mmmmkay 5y agoat that point, just give them the A ;)
- eligro91 5y agoI'm having cochlear implant and I'm able to hear sounds using a neckloop same as displayed in this video https://youtu.be/Gu2C6frbW18?t=130 https://youtu.be/Gu2C6frbW18?t=130 So basically I'm able to control my processor and during boring meetings or family events, I can switch to T mode and listen to music / podcasts, without anyone noticing that. I can even having it balanced.. 50%/50% , or 80% / 20% etc.. I'm sure that it would be so useful in cheating in exams.. hard to identify.. you have aid hearing, they never expect you will cheat with that. I'm wondering what will happen if Deaf people will be caught doing that? they won't be allowed to hear at all during exams?
- mattbrewsbytes 5y agoCan a deaf person be a surgeon if their mode of communicating is with their hands? That sounds cool to be able to tune out of boring meetings easily. I imagine the number of podcasts you can listen to is more than most people, any favorites related to software?
- eligro91 5y agotalk python to me, the rabbit hole. there are more but those are good ones
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- deutschew 5y agothis will become really popular in Korea
- ChuckMcM 5y agoThis is so sad. 11 years? You have have read, and re-read, every textbook for your classes like 4 times over in that period of time. It always astonishes me to see someone invest so much time in cheating, when it would take the same or less time to just do the damn work. What is worse, what happens when they have a patient and they don't know what to do because they cheated on that part of the exam? Let them die or become disabled? So very very sad.
- Gatsky 5y agoIt’s a phenomenon in medical school. Some people just can’t get through the exams. You can’t just read the textbooks, it isn’t that easy. And anyway, the volume of facts is enormous.. It happens because people aren’t coached or mentored at all, and are too ashamed to ask for help. With proper guidance and encouragement, and hard work, anyone can pass. Poor patient outcomes aren’t strongly linked to poor learning of exam material. It is true that the sort of person who doesn’t take care to do well on exams also may not take care of patients. This isn’t because they don’t learn the material, it is because they aren’t the sort of person who can commit to being good at medicine (for which there may be valid reasons).
- no_time 5y ago>It always astonishes me to see someone invest so much time in cheating, when it would take the same or less time to just do the damn work. There is another factor people tend to forget: cheating is exciting and almost fun in a way. Reading a book for hours with no end in sight? Boring. Learning morse code and making a little radio equipped foot pedal? Now that's something I'd do in my free time. During covid I wrote a plugin that hooked into the proctoring site, undid the randomization on the ordering of the multiple choice questions and put a little dot for every answer by another user of my plugin taking the tests. This was to alliviate the chaos of 10 people talking over eachother in a teamspeak, asking for the parts they don't know. It was infinitely more rewarding than learning about graph theory.
- codezero 5y agoYou can bite on a bone conducting Bluetooth headphone and hear reliably. This was just a dumb move.
- caycep 5y agoI think he may be a lousy doctor, but perhaps IT/engineering is his true calling....
- whoomp12342 5y agoyeah let me just lance myself right before a test and no one is going to notice my giant fucking stitch
- verisimi 5y agoBring on the neural lace!
- megous 5y agoI don't care about the ear guy, but how are people scaling the building not being noticed? Wtf? :D So bizarre.
- textcortex 5y agoJust give the guy the Diploma, he deserved it :)
- doctor_eval 5y agoI’m always amazed at the amount of trouble people will go to in order to build their lives on a foundation of lies. I know there are many reasons and pressures, but what a way to start your career. If you’re successful, you’re almost guaranteeing a life of stress - and that’s assuming you don’t kill anyone.
- thraway3837 5y agoMust be from a wealthy family to afford medical school for 11 years. What kind of lie do you even tell the person who writes the checks? And wouldn't be it awkward AF to be 11 years older than everyone around you when students are 17-21? Even more embarrassing to have every staff and professor know you for this. The whole university and community knows, what are you really benefiting by keeping their name private. Publicize their face and name. Plaster it on every news site. Nobody wants a doctor who cheated in medical school. Also surprising because universities have dual tracks for graduating that most people don't know about. If you are wealthy or well connected, you get to graduate regardless of academic performance. Some professors also get kickbacks, threats, stopped favors if students aren't allowed to graduate. Perhaps the current administration of the school is not politically or power aligned with this student's connections?
- Brybry 5y agoIf it's an exam for an MD in General Medicine then most people are probably at least 25 because it looks like in India you need a MBBS (5.5 year undergraduate program) and then the MD program is another 3 years.[1][2] In the states it takes a long time too: 4+ year undergraduate, 4 year med school, 3-4+ years residency. My sister was around 27 to 28 when she graduated medical school, before even starting her four year residency. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Medicine,_Bachelor_of_Surgery#India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Medicine,_Bachelor... [2] https://www.shiksha.com/college/mahatma-gandhi-memorial-medical-college-indore-63013/admission https://www.shiksha.com/college/mahatma-gandhi-memorial-medi...
- MichaelRazum 5y agoOh boy. There are obvious better ways...
- snambi 5y agoIt is published from UK. Probably a fake news story.
- mcqueenjordan 5y agoTotally anecdotal, but... I think there's a good amount of cheating in medical school. I've been personally approached by an acquaintance to assist them in cheating on an oral exam in the final stages of medical school. I obviously refused. I /really/ don't think I put off the vibe of someone who would be OK with cheating, so the fact that even I got wind of plan to cheat leads me to believe it could be fairly prevalent.
- Gatsky 5y agoI never saw any cheating. But it wasn’t a very competitive environment when I think about it.
- lizardactivist 5y agoI hear they have metal detectors at the entrances of many American schools, and now I see images of a future in which you have to step through an x-ray machine or have a body cavity search before attending an exam.
- somid3 5y agoMaybe the student should have been an engineer?
- bb88 5y agoSo implanted headphones appear to be nothing new (and haven't been for nearly 10 years), and being where they are located in this article makes a lot of sense. https://www.cnet.com/culture/surgically-implanted-headphones-are-literally-in-ear/ https://www.cnet.com/culture/surgically-implanted-headphones... The effect would make it completely concealable. Also it's worth noting that where the implants are completely make sense. I once wore a set of headphones that just vibrated the tragus, and was lightweight and allowed me to hear what else was going on. Apparently the occulus uses this in the same capability. https://patent.nweon.com/7181 https://patent.nweon.com/7181
- benasher44 5y agoSharktank S1E1 realized years later (https://sharktanktales.com/ionic-ear-shark-tank-update/ https://sharktanktales.com/ionic-ear-shark-tank-update/)
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- raghava 5y agohttps://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/mp-student-gets-bluetooth-device-surgically-fitted-in-ear-to-cheat-101645552710157.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/mp-student-gets-bl... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "A member of the team, Dr Vivek Sathe, frisked the student and found a mobile phone in the inner pocket of his trouser. The phone was switched on and connected to a Bluetooth device, Dr Dixit said. However, the team did not find a Bluetooth device on the student. On sustained questioning, the student confessed that an ENT surgeon had fitted a skin coloured micro Bluetooth device in his ear. The squad also found another student with a small SIM-powered device and a micro Bluetooth device, but the student informed the squad that it was not inserted surgically and can be removed with a pin. The devices have been sent to an internal examination committee, which will decide whether a police case for using unfair means in an exam should be filed, Thakur said. Dr Anand Rai, the whistleblower in the so-called Vyapam scam, where various competitive exams were rigged, said: “It is very easy to get Bluetooth fitted in the ears. It is attached to the ear temporarily and can be removed. Such a technique was used by a Vyapam scam accused too to clear his medical exam eight years ago.” ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Many here take that high-risk path, even though they know that clearing the entrance is just step 0, and there are tougher exams further. Such is the mindlessness at display.
- qwerty456127 5y agoEverything about the ways we measure people's skills is wrong.
- DeathArrow 5y agoThere's no need for surgery since there are bluetooth pieces so small that can't be seen after plugged in the ear. https://www.spionshop.ro/image/106992.jpg https://www.spionshop.ro/image/106992.jpg
- ca98am79 5y agoImagine the implications to tournament chess
- lashkhi 5y ago