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Hetzner now provides IPv6 only dedicated servers
- petre 5y agoDo they still ask for a copy of your ID as part if the sign up process?
- tn890 5y agoYes. Or business registration.
- yabones 5y agoAny pricing info? I imagine they 'save' quite a bit by not having to take one of their IPv4 addresses out of the pool...
- cotillion 5y agoIn the server auction the price appears to drop by €2.13 when IPv6 is selected. Which I guess is affected by local VAT.
- Trellmor 5y ago2€/month/IP address. Ordering without and IPv4 address is 2€/month cheaper
- bennyp101 5y agoLooking at the FAQ[1] for it - seems to be 1.70, which is the same as they have on their pricing page[2] for additional IPV4s [1] https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/ip/faq-primary-ipv4/ https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/ip/faq-prima... [2] https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/ https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/
- curiousfab 5y agoe.g. https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/px62/configurator#/ https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/px62/configurat... Looks like this will save you €2.02 a month.
- miohtama 5y agoThe cheapest Hetzner cloud server is also around 2-3 eur/month.
- tomudding 5y agoThey increased the prices recently, without any VAT a new instance of the CX11 is now €3.49 p/month. I do hope they will start providing cloud instances without IPv4 soon too (they say they are working on it).
- bennyp101 5y agoIf you have a few machines that are connected together, saving 1.70€ on each kinda means you could get a floating IP, or put towards a vswitch or whatever
- Nextgrid 5y agoYou use one or two machines as load-balancers and connect them to your application servers over IPv6 only. If your app servers need to talk with external IPv4 services you can run a box with an IPv4 and an HTTP proxy.
- jeroenhd 5y agoYou don't need a HTTP proxy, you could make use of existing 6to4 technologies. Cloud providers can probably offer those for free at reduced speed as part of their IPv6 package. There are also public 6to4 routers available today, ur I wouldn't trust my company's data to flow through those.
- hashworks 5y agoAlso Hetzner offers pure Load Balancers.
- mfontani 5y agoUnfortunately only a /64 per server :/
- sneak 5y agoThat's normal/standard for a whole LAN, and is more than enough for all of your VMs/containers on the box.
- xnyanta 5y agoNo, it's not enough because you end up needing Proxy NDP for your traffic to reach other subnets smaller than a /64 (e.g. a /80) if you have the /64 on your wan interface and carve it out. Normally, you'd have a /64 on your wan, then another /64 for your containers or multiple /64s for different container deployments or virtual machines. Then traffic would route properly between your networks with ipv6 forwarding enabled.
- sneak 5y ago> is more than enough for all of your VMs/containers on the box > you end up needing Proxy NDP for your traffic to reach other subnets smaller than a /64 (e.g. a /80) if you have the /64 on your wan interface and carve it out It sounds like we are in full agreement.
- Dagger2 5y agoIf you're using proxy NDP then you don't have "more than enough" IP space for what you're doing. You have none and you're hacking up a workaround -- one that's inevitably going to have people coming away thinking "v6 is hard" rather than putting the blame where it deserves to be.
- WesolyKubeczek 5y agoWhat would you do with all those addresses? Could you please elaborate about each one?
- terom 5y agoyay! Now the same for Hetzer Cloud servers as well. Could they get the price for an IPv6-only cloud instance down to 2-3€/month + VAT?
- miohtama 5y agoYes. IPv4 is actually a cost for Hetzner. You can see it already on some servers as an additional price tag.
- ozim 5y agoNow price for IPv4 has to go really up so internet providers feel it and start rolling IPv6 to household routers. But they will probably just up prices for the end users. Though I think mobile providers are already having a lot of IPv6.
- alias_neo 5y agoMy fibre provider in the UK has been IPv6 for a while, I have a /56. Unfortunately, they use CGNAT which is a nightmare for anyone who uses the internet. I pay them £5 per month to lease an IPv4 address rather than sit behind the CGNAT sharing the IP with all of my neighbors.
- hackbinary 5y agoAre you on hyperoptic?
- alias_neo 5y agoI am.
- tw04 5y agoMost ISPs have just rolled out cg-nat. I doubt the price of v4 space will ever have any meaningful impact on ipv6 adoption if it hasn’t by now.
- cmer 5y agoI assume this is common knowledge, but I personally find Hetzner to be exceptionally good. It's always been good to me when I was using their European data centers, but that was always a bit of a bummer because of latency. Now that they have a DC in the US, I just can't think of a single good reason to use other cloud providers for smaller deployments. They're pretty much the best bang for your buck you can get anywhere.
- martin_a 5y agoAlso: Get one of their managed webhosting packages (starting from 1,90 €/month) and you'll get a domain with it. You can't get your own mail hosted for much cheaper.
- XCSme 5y agoDoes it come with SMTP?
- martin_a 5y agoI think so, yes, see here: https://docs.hetzner.com/konsoleh/account-management/email/setting-up-an-email-account/ https://docs.hetzner.com/konsoleh/account-management/email/s...
- hansel_der 5y agowhat does that even mean? (i.e. how would an email service work w/o smtp)
- dkjaudyeqooe 5y agoSome hosts block port 25 (SMTP) and you have to use another server to send emails.
- na85 5y agoDon't the big players penalize mail coming from hosts without ipv4?
- metafunctor 5y agoHetzner also recently added “placement groups” to influence the distribution of virtual servers in their data centers. Useful for HA clusters, mostly. Free, too. https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/placement-groups/overview https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/placement-groups/overview
- bennyp101 5y agoAh, I got excited and thought I could order a dedicated server - but choose if I wanted them to be on the same isle/shelf or on a different one! That would be cool! (This is still cool too, though!)
- metafunctor 5y agoYou can already order two dedicated servers and request them to be on the same rack: https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/faq/faq/#can-multiple-servers-be-connected-together-in-a-dedicated-gbit-lan https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/faq/faq/#can... I'd assume you might be able to tell them to please put them on different racks for HA purposes, or something?
- bennyp101 5y agoAh yea ok, thanks!
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- geenat 5y agoWarning, Rootless Docker doesn't support the ability to see the users source IP yet with IPv6. * https://github.com/rootless-containers/rootlesskit/issues/258 https://github.com/rootless-containers/rootlesskit/issues/25... * https://github.com/rootless-containers/slirp4netns/issues/253 https://github.com/rootless-containers/slirp4netns/issues/25... This has repercussions if you need to be able to see the user's IP for throttling, banning, etc.
- justinclift 5y agoUnfortunately, the firewall offering that Hetzner provides for their dedicated servers is IPv4 only. So, if you're using software on the server which mucks around with firewall rules (eg using OS provided firewall on the server isn't good enough), then you're sad out of luck. And their current IPv4 firewall has a 10 rule limit per server, which can't be raised. Mind boggling. :( I've asked Hetzner if they have any plans to extend their firewall to include IPv6 support, or raise the # of firewall rules, but they have no plans to at this stage. :( :( :(
- sgt 5y agoSeems like an edge case. 99% will be happy with the OS firewall.
- k8sToGo 5y agoUntil they learn that Docker adds iptable rules on their own and open every port automatically.
- tfehring 5y agoEvery port on the machine, or every port on the container?
- remram 5y agoThe container's ports that you explicitly expose. E.g. `docker run -p 8080:80 nginx` will expose the container's port 80 as port 8080 on the host. That port will be open whether or not the host has a firewall configured to block 8080. You can do `docker run -p 127.0.0.1:8080:80 nginx` to only have the port on the host accessible on the loopback interface (for example if you have a reverse proxy on the host, proxying to 127.0.0.1:8080).
- tinco 5y agoI've been bitten by this, was a pain in the ass to figure out that something was messing with the iptables rules.
- calpaterson 5y agoI always think that too many web servers have IPv4 addresses. People don't seem to realise that CDNs - which everyone surely runs behind - will happily proxy IPv4 traffic to IPv6, so you don't need an IPv4 address to serve web traffic - only your CDN does.
- wongarsu 5y agoSure, but IPv4 just works. IPv6 mostly works, but isn't universally supported, is the less tested configuration, and "disable IPv6" seems to still be one of the best solutions for mysterious network problems. It just doesn't make sense to use anything other than IPv4 as long as you get a free IPv4 address with every server. Which is why I'm very happy over this move by Hetzner. More monetary incentive to move away from IPv4 is exactly what we need to break the cycle of "nobody uses IPv6, so nothing supports it, so nobody uses it"
- jeroenhd 5y ago> and "disable IPv6" seems to still be one of the best solutions for mysterious network problems It's not really a solution to the problem, it's usually just ignoring the problem and hiding the symptoms. I'm surprised Hetzner is the first to do this, it's an obvious move with the sharp rise of IPv4 addresses. Most companies don't need IPv4 anyway, because their infrastructure usually ends up at a caching proxy or CDN regardless. Your backend API servers will usually also be talked to by other servers, which usually also run from a place with widespread IPv6 addresses. I can see a (bleak) future where consumers are all om CG-NAT and everything but the frontend is running IPv6 as a cost cutting measure.
- pxeger1 5y agoAwesome, I asked for this on Twitter recently and now we've got it! edit: this is only for dedicated servers, not VPS's :(
- mgbmtl 5y agoI don't know if others have experienced it, but I run a monitoring server from Hetzner and have daily issues with IPv6 latency and packet loss (edit: Finland DC). I monitor 3 other IPv6 locations, the monitoring server will very randomly throw alerts, and only from Hetzner. Yet, when I opened a ticket, I was told it was the fault of the other providers, despite the mtr traces showing otherwise, and not having issues outside Hetzner. Hopefully more IPv6 users means that I won't be the only one impacted by those networking issues. I find IPv6 useful for servers that are not public-facing. They are firewalled of course, but it also means I can access them directly from home without hops or VPN (my home having a static IPv6 address).
- grafelic 5y agoI have seen the same latency problem (100-250ms) in Finland DC, but with IPv4.
- RF_Savage 5y agoAh, so this is why my IRC shell in the Hetzner Helsinki DC had so much lag.
- celsoazevedo 5y agoI wouldn't use their Finland DC for anything serious. Peering isn't good and they seem to route a lot of the traffic via their Germany network. Both DCs in Germany are way better.
- freeflight 5y ago> Peering isn't good and they seem to route a lot of the traffic via their Germany network. Stuff like that always makes me wonder how much of it is down to the NSA being hooked straight into DE-CIX [0] via the German BND [1]. [0] https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/german-court-throws-out-de-cix-surveillance-case/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/german-court-thro... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization
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- ab_testing 5y agoWhat is the benefit of an IPv6 only dedicated server as compared to a normal server that has an IPv4 address.
- wongarsu 5y agoIt's about $2/month cheaper
- throw0101a 5y agoIPv6 prices aren't going up: * https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/ https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/
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- albru123 5y agoWell, if you have virtuals running on your dedicated server, you're probably going to need more IPs anyway and IPv4 subnets now cost a small fortune on Hetzner, while IPv6 is free and you get a whole /64 subnet.
- throw0101a 5y agoTheir IPv4 prices are going up in January: * https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/ https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/ Prices for IPv4 addresses went from US$30/IP in May to about $50/IP now: * https://ipv4.global/reports/ https://ipv4.global/reports/
- bullen 5y agoSadly nobody understands that central US is where your servers need to be. The only competition to GCP there is IONOS where you cannot easily change your instance type!
- k8sToGo 5y agoWhy would I, as a European, want my servers in US Central?
- strzibny 5y agoYou don't.
- bullen 5y agoBecause if you want to make something there will be customers in the US. And if you are making something interesting that utilizes the internets USP, it will have real-time communication between your customers. And in the US if users from the east coast connect to something with the same latency as users from the west coast that evens out the advantages. If you are making a static homepage then of course it doesn't matter because what you are making could also be a book or even a stone tablet. The content always comes from the older medium until the new medium figures out it's own content at which point the old medium dies. See opera, theater, radio, television, youtube, twitch, etc. etc. The final medium is the open 3D action MMO, be it in VR or not. 5 years ago i decided to never work on something that could not be sold globally, it's a good decision because it leans into the future.
- withinboredom 5y agoThere are a multitude of reasons not to have servers in the US if you are doing anything privacy centric.
- jonathantf2 5y agoWhat about my customers in Europe that will have worse latency than both US users? What if my website is for my business and I only expect UK users to visit?
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- vog 5y agoFrom the announcement: > "We will continue to improve this new solution and are already working on an IPv6 only solution for cloud servers, too." I'm eagerly waiting especially for this! The cloud servers are pretty cheap, but costs for IPv4 addresses make a significant part of the monthly cost. The Hetzner cloud server would be much more interesting if they weren't each tied to a public IPv4 address.
- tejohnso 5y agoThe announcement doesn't indicate why I would want this. Is it for politically motivated people who want to help push IPv6 forward? Is it to simplify configuration? I had to click through to the FAQ to read about additional cost for IPv4, but there the difference isn't specified, so it led to more questions, but I gave up. Reminded me of this other front page item: https://gds.blog.gov.uk/2013/07/25/faqs-why-we-dont-have-them/ https://gds.blog.gov.uk/2013/07/25/faqs-why-we-dont-have-the...
- tyingq 5y agoIf you go through the order process, you'll see this item: >Primary IPv4 €1.70 monthly Hetzner didn't used to let you drop that item off. Now they are letting you do that if you don't need a primary IPv4, and are happy with just IPv6.
- Havoc 5y agoCost. It’s a common request among the low end budget vps crowd.
- bionade24 5y agoOh god in 20 years reverse NAT (reverse as in reverse Proxy) will be a thing because IPv6 still won't be supported by all network providers.
- DenseComet 5y agoWhy wait 20 years? Take a look at NAT64 (although its in the opposite direction of what you mentioned)
- account42 5y ago> Access site by completing security check If you can't show me a static blog post without this "DDoS" protection bullshit then I am just going to take a pass on your service. It's bad enough that Cloudflare (and their users) think this is acceptable.
- albru123 5y agoWe ordered a new root server a few days before this, but are trying to primarily use IPv6 anyway. However the more I try to set things up, the more painful it becomes, with services like Github not being entirely available on IPv6, various ISPs not supporting IPv6 at all, so service proxying is needed etc. Is there any best-practice for IPv6 VM host setup? I found the IPv6 First Guide [0], but I'm not entirely happy with the bridged networking to VMs being used. [0] https://ipv6-first-guide.hillbrecht.de/ https://ipv6-first-guide.hillbrecht.de/
- fossislife 5y agoI just created an account and it got deactivated because of "inconsistencies". Wrote to support and they, again, told me it is because of inconsistencies, but will not tell me what those are. They really do not give a f** about potential costumers. I went with Server4you and they happily welcome me everything I book a new server.