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Really reminds me of the Taiwan election commercial that compares Taiwan and Hong Kong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcVIQMrc4A https://www.youtube.com/watch

Really reminds me of the Taiwan election commercial that compares Taiwan and Hong Kong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcVIQMrc4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcVIQMrc4A

vmception 5y ago
wow that was really powerful makes me want to rethink some of my flippant comments about Taiwan's impending doom after we get our semiconductor pylons up in other places, but now at least they have my sympathy
elihu 5y ago
Note: there's English subtitles available if you enable close captioning.
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  Even creepier listening to it with no subtitles and a primary school level understanding of Chinese. All I heard was "husband", "daughter" and "whole family".
yodsanklai 5y ago
The amount of effort China is putting to sabotage Taiwan independence is astonishing. I have Taiwanese relatives and I'm very worried for them.
- gogopuppygogo 5y ago
  The USA has been losing all war games where it defends Tawain against China. https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/us-war-games-over-china-threat-warn-of-likely-defeat-report/ https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/us-war-games-over-china-threat... It is not okay to assume USA supremacy against adversaries anymore. Why Americans still do business with China is astounding to me.
  - tw04 5y ago
    > the latest war game was based on a Chinese biological-weapon attack that swept through US bases and warships in the Indo-Pacific region more than a decade in the future If China starts a war by releasing a biological weapon, Taiwan will be the least of their concerns. I don't see any scenario in which every Western and neutral nation on Earth doesn't turn against them. Maybe Russia helps, but I doubt it.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - nradov 5y ago
      If such a weapon were to be used it would probably be done covertly with plausible deniability. Maybe a false flag operation.
      - ilaksh 5y ago
        Hmm. Hard to imagine. Nothing remotely similar has ever happened. But, now that I think of it, the consequence might be something like a pandemic, which coincidentally we are in now.
  - neom 5y ago
    The only thing that will stop china from interfering in Taiwan is, universal consciousness willing, South Korea and Japan along with the other Asian nations having enough sway with China to keep them at bay. I very much prefer not to entertain WW3, but as others have said many times recently, if it is going to start, it may very well be over Taiwan.
    - tomrod 5y ago
      The issue is, the CCP sees Taiwan as theirs when in reality China belongs to Taiwan. It would seem a treaty acknowledging Taiwan as an independent sovereign would be an ideal outcome, but it's weird to see nations express wounded pride, imo
- Aperocky 5y ago
  Replace Taiwan with Republic of China (i.e. formal name) and it isn't nearly as astonishing anymore isn't it.
  - KidComputer 5y ago
    Deep. Bet you think New England belongs to the British.
    - Aperocky 5y ago
      No, but Republic/Kingdom of England is way more confusing innit.
stickfigure 5y ago
Honest question: Why not just give Taiwan nukes? MAD seems to be a very effective peace strategy. China already has nukes. Seems the essential missing ingredient is the 'M'.
- _AzMoo 5y ago
  You couldn't possibly give them enough to make it Assured Destruction.
- eloisius 5y ago
  ROC had its own nuclear program in the past and almost made it to the point of being able to produce their own. The US, of all parties, intervened to have it stopped. Probably because Chiang was an unhinged madman intent on retaking the mainland. ROC is now an imminently nuclear nation. Something like six months away from having nukes at any time.
  - retrac 5y ago
    This is true of most medium-sized industrial countries, actually, if they have power reactors. If Japan, Germany, Canada or even Finland or Argentina, really wanted nukes and wrote a blank cheque for domestic spending to that end, they could have one within a year, probably much less. Only lack of desire (mostly for the diplomatic and possible military consequences, I figure) really keeps them from doing so.
- nl 5y ago
  Nuclear proliferation is a bigger concern than a Chinese takeover of Taiwan. If the US gives nukes to Taiwan, what would stop China giving nukes to eg Venezuela (or whatever South or Central American nation the US doesn't like that month). Edit: previously I wrote "If the US gives nukes to China". I meant Taiwan here of course.
  - dkislyuk 5y ago
    What? China is already a nuclear power with nuclear weapons, and has been for decades. The question posed by the parent is arming Taiwan to defend itself.

Really reminds me of the Taiwan election commercial that compares Taiwan and Hong Kong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcVIQMrc4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcVIQMrc4A

vmception 5y ago

wow that was really powerful makes me want to rethink some of my flippant comments about Taiwan's impending doom after we get our semiconductor pylons up in other places, but now at least they have my sympathy

elihu 5y ago

Note: there's English subtitles available if you enable close captioning.

AussieWog93 5y ago
Even creepier listening to it with no subtitles and a primary school level understanding of Chinese. All I heard was "husband", "daughter" and "whole family".

yodsanklai 5y ago

The amount of effort China is putting to sabotage Taiwan independence is astonishing. I have Taiwanese relatives and I'm very worried for them.

gogopuppygogo 5y ago
The USA has been losing all war games where it defends Tawain against China. https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/us-war-games-over-china-threat-warn-of-likely-defeat-report/ https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/us-war-games-over-china-threat... It is not okay to assume USA supremacy against adversaries anymore. Why Americans still do business with China is astounding to me.
- tw04 5y ago
  > the latest war game was based on a Chinese biological-weapon attack that swept through US bases and warships in the Indo-Pacific region more than a decade in the future If China starts a war by releasing a biological weapon, Taiwan will be the least of their concerns. I don't see any scenario in which every Western and neutral nation on Earth doesn't turn against them. Maybe Russia helps, but I doubt it.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - nradov 5y ago
    If such a weapon were to be used it would probably be done covertly with plausible deniability. Maybe a false flag operation.
    - ilaksh 5y ago
      Hmm. Hard to imagine. Nothing remotely similar has ever happened. But, now that I think of it, the consequence might be something like a pandemic, which coincidentally we are in now.
- neom 5y ago
  The only thing that will stop china from interfering in Taiwan is, universal consciousness willing, South Korea and Japan along with the other Asian nations having enough sway with China to keep them at bay. I very much prefer not to entertain WW3, but as others have said many times recently, if it is going to start, it may very well be over Taiwan.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    The issue is, the CCP sees Taiwan as theirs when in reality China belongs to Taiwan. It would seem a treaty acknowledging Taiwan as an independent sovereign would be an ideal outcome, but it's weird to see nations express wounded pride, imo
Aperocky 5y ago
Replace Taiwan with Republic of China (i.e. formal name) and it isn't nearly as astonishing anymore isn't it.
- KidComputer 5y ago
  Deep. Bet you think New England belongs to the British.
  - Aperocky 5y ago
    No, but Republic/Kingdom of England is way more confusing innit.

stickfigure 5y ago

Honest question: Why not just give Taiwan nukes? MAD seems to be a very effective peace strategy. China already has nukes. Seems the essential missing ingredient is the 'M'.

_AzMoo 5y ago
You couldn't possibly give them enough to make it Assured Destruction.
eloisius 5y ago
ROC had its own nuclear program in the past and almost made it to the point of being able to produce their own. The US, of all parties, intervened to have it stopped. Probably because Chiang was an unhinged madman intent on retaking the mainland. ROC is now an imminently nuclear nation. Something like six months away from having nukes at any time.
- retrac 5y ago
  This is true of most medium-sized industrial countries, actually, if they have power reactors. If Japan, Germany, Canada or even Finland or Argentina, really wanted nukes and wrote a blank cheque for domestic spending to that end, they could have one within a year, probably much less. Only lack of desire (mostly for the diplomatic and possible military consequences, I figure) really keeps them from doing so.
nl 5y ago
Nuclear proliferation is a bigger concern than a Chinese takeover of Taiwan. If the US gives nukes to Taiwan, what would stop China giving nukes to eg Venezuela (or whatever South or Central American nation the US doesn't like that month). Edit: previously I wrote "If the US gives nukes to China". I meant Taiwan here of course.
- dkislyuk 5y ago
  What? China is already a nuclear power with nuclear weapons, and has been for decades. The question posed by the parent is arming Taiwan to defend itself.