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Firefox 84.0

565 points by easton 6y ago

easton 6y ago
Notable changes are that Apple Silicon support is now stable, and that this is the final release of Firefox to support Adobe Flash.
- blindm 6y ago
  And if you sorely miss Flash, you can run it with Ruffle: https://ruffle.rs/ https://ruffle.rs/
  - bzb6 6y ago
    I tried it on archive.org and it’s not that good. https://archive.org/details/flash_badger https://archive.org/details/flash_badger On Chrome the animation starts lagging behind after a few loops so audio and video desync badly. On Firefox it’s much worse, since Firefox is naturally slower than Chrome so even the first loop is desynced already.
    - Snitch-Thursday 6y ago
      I just tried the above animation on W10 + uBo + Firefox 83. I went through 3 loops and it seemed to stay in sync. Then I hopped over to check this comment and came back to that tab, and it was out of sync at that time. So I think Tab Switching might be a challenge for Ruffle. Clearly Ruffle is not perfect, but leagues, furlongs ahead of having to watch old flash content on YouTube via Unregistered Hypercam 2.
    - phs2501 6y ago
      IIRC (it's been many years) after many loops that animation started desyncing in the real Flash player too. It wasn't terribly noticeable after only a few loops, but the fact that it happened made me think that the audio loop was completely async from the animation.
    - dmix 6y ago
      Didn't not experience this on Chromium/MacOS Big Sur/MBP. In fact it ran perfectly.
  - slenk 6y ago
    I will have to keep that in mind. A lot of old management interfaces for rack-mount servers run flash for their web interface :S
    - dmix 6y ago
      Poor, poor `seink2`.
    - driton 6y ago
      That sounds interesting, can you please elaborate on the whys and hows?
      - slenk 6y ago
        I have a Cisco R200 server. It has a built in management interface called CIMC. (There is a proper name for that management type software but I can't remember. From these panels, you can pretty much do anything you want to the physical server - Open a console session, change boot order, bios, etc. Screenshot: https://imgur.com/iWYJIpU https://imgur.com/iWYJIpU
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  I had no idea they even still supported Flash?! I thought they changed their plugin API so many times that it would have been unsupported many years ago.
  - stronglikedan 6y ago
    Major browsers can't ditch Flash until Adobe EOLs it. Too many legacy enterprise apps still rely on it, even though they are likely being frantically reimplemented this month. I'm in that boat.
    - jandrese 6y ago
      Depreciation in Firefox isn't going to cause that much corporate pressure to finally rewrite those ancient flash apps. When Internet Explorer drops it then they have a problem.
      - paulie_a 6y ago
        According to adobe the plugin will stop loading content in January regardless of the browser
        chrisseaton 6y ago
        If IE and Windows are running the extension then I guess IE can tell it the date is anything it wants?
        paulie_a 6y ago
        Hopefully adobe was smart enough to prevent that
        jandrese 6y ago
        Microsoft seems to have mostly abandoned IE so hopefully it won't come to that.
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antouank 6y ago
> Additionally we'll ship an accelerated rendering pipeline for Linux/GNOME/X11 users for the first time, ever!
- krzyk 6y ago
  Does anyone know how to enable that? I'm on Nightly so I should have it for some time already, but I'm not sure if it is on by default or should I tweak some value.
  - rethab 6y ago
    Is this about WebRender? If so, here you go: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/07/firefox-enable-webrender-linux https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/07/firefox-enable-webrender...
  - muizelaar 6y ago
    What does "Compositor:" say for you in about:support?
  - jdhawk 6y ago
    gfx.webrender.all layers.omtp.enabled layers.acceleration.force-enabled
    - muizelaar 6y ago
      layers.omtp.enabled isn't used when WebRender is on.
      - jdhawk 6y ago
        ah, nice - thanks
- ducktective 6y ago
  I'm seeing high CPU usage on YouTube after recent updates on Xubuntu. I think it started when they enabled GPU acceleration by default. Previously I could watch even FHD videos without much fan noise, but after recent updates, fans spin at the max speed by playing even 480p quality vids. Anyone else?
kjax 6y ago
Crash logging and reporting in the developer console's network tab is a welcome addition. It might be due to my combination of browser settings and add-ons, but I've found the Firefox developer console to be less than perfectly stable.
jefftk 6y ago
And for developers: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Releases/84 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Rel... The biggest change from my perspective is "Firefox now ensures that localhost URLs — such as http://localhost/ http://localhost/ and http://dev.localhost/ http://dev.localhost/ — refer to the local host's loopback interface (e.g. http://127.0.0.1 http://127.0.0.1). As a result, resources loaded from localhost are now assumed to have been delivered securely (see Secure contexts), and also will not be treated as mixed content (bug 1220810, bug 1488740)." This is great for local development.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  >This is great for local development. Not just. There is a niche for mixed web/native apps whereby the page is loaded from the web, but interacts (at least in part) with a locally hosted web-server.
  - nerdponx 6y ago
    Or even just browser apps that are easy/encouraged to run locally, like Jupyter Notebook.
    - rhizome 6y ago
      Like, started from the local filesystem? I see they have a "Notebook Server," is that what you mean by "locally," rather than starting it from clicking an e.g. "jupyter.html" file? To their credit, it doesn't seem to use Node, and configuration via .py files tells me maybe they have some lightweight server thing that makes it a bit more manageable as a single-user app than via Node or Electron and friends. Anyway, I have a project I have been wanting to be completely self-contained in an HTML file, but that gives me CORS problems, so now I'm thinking maybe the Jupyter posse has implemented a nice compromise I can use.
      - nerdponx 6y ago
        Yes, Jupyter Notebook (and its successor Jupyter Lab) is a Python program that serves a browser (HTML/CSS/JS) application. It is meant to be used equally well when the Jupyter server is on your local machine or somewhere else on the network. Other tools that use similar architectures: Tabula, Kiwi IRC, The Lounge IRC. The user experience is maybe more "technical", but you don't have Electron involved, just whatever web browser you would use for anything else.
chinhodado 6y ago
I love Firefox, I use it everyday, I can't imagine using a browser without Tree Style Tab, or all the things that I can do in about:config. At the same time, I can't shake off the dreadful feeling that it will eventually die one day. The market share keeps falling year by year. What is the most realistic future for Firefox?
- Macha 6y ago
  I don't see a big comeback for Firefox unless there's a big backlash against the reduced effectiveness of adblocking due to manifest v3 in chrome. It's not like the days where "tabs and ad blocking" were only available in one browser (well two, but Opera was still (a) charging money or (b) including ads depending on the timeframe) and provided a huge incentive to switch from IE. Sync is the closest any browser feature has come to that level in a decade, but all browsers had that pretty quickly. Mozilla also don't have the brand power to push their browser to people who don't actually care but just want the notification on google.com or youtube to go away, or had it bundled with flash player or their windows install or their AV program like a lot of Chrome's rise. My hope is it bottoms out and finds a new stable equilibrium at brave/vivaldi levels. The question is if that's a large enough position to actually maintain a browser engine.
- ducktective 6y ago
  Basic fear is that it becomes yet another chromium spawn some ~5 years down the line. Recent dramas surrounding FF on Android and unasked-for UI changes in desktop surely didn't win FF any new users...But...I'm still clinging to it.
  - distances 6y ago
    What's the drama on Android? It's been working great for me for years now.
    - brianush1 6y ago
      They removed about:config, for one
robin_reala 6y ago
“macOS users running Cylance antivirus software may see their Firefox installation get corrupted due to being erroneously flagged as malware.” I run Firefox Nightly on my work mac (with Cylance) and have been seeing this. Luckily IT have happily whitelisted it and reported back to Cylance, but still slightly weird that a major application would be flagged like this.
- spijdar 6y ago
  Cylance is insanely sensitive. In my experience running internal penetration tests, it's been one of the few pieces of security software that's genuinely slowed me down and been a nuisance. That said, once you figure out its weak spots, it's as useless as all the others, but it doesn't surprise me it'd flag Firefox.
  - RachelF 6y ago
    Many Windows anti-virus packages are the same. Any newly released app is classified as a virus by their hueristics.
Zealotux 6y ago
What's the best way to support the browser directly with money? Pay for the VPN?
- ooboe 6y ago
  Donate directly to Mozilla/Firefox? http://donate.mozilla.org/ http://donate.mozilla.org/
  - gruez 6y ago
    That supports mozilla foundation, which uses the funds for advocacy, but it doesn't support the development of firefox, which is done by the mozilla corporation.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  I don't think their revenue per user has really changes, their problem has been the regular drop in usership. Your money can't offset millions fewer users, which is why they aren't screaming for donations.
- input_sh 6y ago
  VPN, FPN (https://fpn.firefox.com/ https://fpn.firefox.com/) or Pocket Premium. All of those go to the corporation directly, not the foundation. Out of the three, only Pocket is widely available. FPN is US-only, VPN is only available in like 5-6 countries.
- dblohm7 6y ago
  Yes. Or Pocket Premium.
- lightgreen 6y ago
  Donations will increase Mitchell Baker compensation even further, and won't help the browser. I think at this moment donation will corrupt Mozilla even further. Better keep money until they fix the management.
- labawi 6y ago
  Organize a non-fork alternate development team, accept crowdfunding for specific goals/features.
stronglikedan 6y ago
I hope they fixed the one thing that has been preventing me from switching to FF as my daily driver. The one thing that I can find a few "fixes" for, but none seem to work for me. Starting up to a frozen window, and then having to open new frozen windows, until eventually a non-frozen window opens. Then having to go clear a bunch of zombie processes out of Task Manager. Happens almost daily, and drives me crazy. /rant
- 3np 6y ago
  I had this too but it eventually stopped happening on both my workstations at some point during 2020. Could be one of your extensions, is it happening even without any extensions (assuming trying a recent version of FF doesn't fix it already)
- krastanov 6y ago
  Is there a bug report for this? This sounds like a crazy issue that could not affect more than a handful of users with extremely particular setups.
  - stronglikedan 6y ago
    I've found a few "fixes". From recent memory, disabling extensions, and clearing out my profile from appdata. I'll give this version a shot and hope for the best.
luxurytent 6y ago
On my new work laptop, I installed Firefox first and haven't touched Google Chrome. I've been happy with this and it was finally what made me move off Chrome.
- comprev 6y ago
  The only reason I use Chrome these days is for built in translation. Apart from that it's always FF.
  - cpeterso 6y ago
    Have you tried the "To Google Translate" Firefox add-on? It's not as seamless as Chrome's built-in translation but it works for me. https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/to-google-translate/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/to-google-translate...
    - 3r8riacz 6y ago
      It's so sad they needed to disable the popup translation due to some changes by Google
    - comprev 6y ago
      I lived in a country where I still spoke English and needed seamless translation for most websites (government, insurance, local news, etc.) Chrome was just easier to deal with.
finchisko 6y ago
As user of mac with M1 chip, was waiting for this release.
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eska 6y ago
Mozilla FAQ: > Will switching to a different browser allow me to use Flash? >No. Adobe and other browsers will also end support Flash at the end of 2020. Even if you install an older version of Firefox, the Flash plugin itself will stop loading Flash content after January 12, 2021. See Adobe’s Flash Player End of Life information page for more details Adobe: > Since Adobe will no longer be supporting Flash Player after December 31, 2020 and Adobe will block Flash content from running in Flash Player beginning January 12, 2021, Adobe strongly recommends all users immediately uninstall Flash Player to help protect their systems. Am I only one who finds this disturbing?
- CarelessExpert 6y ago
  Doesn't concern me. Flash has been on an EOL track for a long time now, and I'm actually pretty happy they're being this aggressive about killing it, as otherwise it could linger on indefinitely, causing security bugs across the web. Why do you find it disturbing?
  - bityard 6y ago
    Plenty of legacy enterprise software which is costly to upgrade still relies on Flash for UI.
    - est31 6y ago
      You can always start a VM with flash inside.
    - CarelessExpert 6y ago
      Which is exactly why I'm glad Adobe is being so aggressive. The death of Flash isn't news. If enterprises haven't reacted to that, frankly, they never will short of killing it as is being done here. Letting is linger on just ensures it's a source of ongoing security breaches, and I think we've all seen how dangerous those can be (thanks Experian!) That being said, there's always Ruffle: https://ruffle.rs/ https://ruffle.rs/
  - rlkf 6y ago
jacurtis 6y ago
Huge update for users on new Apple Silicon Macs: > Native support for macOS devices built with Apple Silicon CPUs brings dramatic performance improvements over the non-native build that was shipped in Firefox 83: Firefox launches over 2.5 times faster and web apps are now twice as responsive You will need to do a browser reboot after updating to get the ARM64 version instead of the Rosetta version[1] [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/upgrading-new-version-firefox-84-apple-silicon https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/upgrading-new-version-f...
- CameronNemo 6y ago
  Firefox ARM64 gang woohoo! Been running FF on my pinebook pro for over a year now. Certainly not as speedy as apple silicon, though.
- barronlroth 6y ago
  Looking forward to benchmarks vs. Safari for battery life and performance.
- Aperocky 6y ago
  Ever since I switched to my apple silicon Mac I've been using Safari, an unpleasant side effect being that apple seemed to spy on passwords (the browser freezes unless it remembers your password), and youTube ads
  - extra88 6y ago
    Go into Safari preferences and uncheck the box for remembering passwords (and the ones for remembering other things while you’re there).
miohtama 6y ago
> WebRender rolls out to MacOS Big Sur, Windows devices with Intel Gen 6 GPUs, and Intel laptops running Windows 7 and 8. Does WebRender imply major speed up?
- GNOMES 6y ago
  https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/07/firefox-enable-webrender-linux https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/07/firefox-enable-webrender...
GNOMES 6y ago
Recently switched back to Firefox (Nightly) from being an early Chrome adopter. Really haven't found any issues compared to Chrome. Performance is supposedly worse, but nothing I have been able to notice in my workflow. Not sure if it's this update or the last, but the added the ability to show the bookmark bar ONLY on the new tab screen ala Chrome's behavior. I can't stand bookmarks as a side panel like the old FF behavior, and not a fan of tree style tabs. Having my bookmark folders on the new screen has been great.
CJefferson 6y ago
Is anyone else worried Firefox on Android is becoming increasingly unusable? How well supported is it my Mozilla I wonder. I often find pages render as blank pages until I refresh, and scrolling will often hang for multiple seconds. I was playing "Jackbox Games" (which is played via the web and PC), and I found those of us on Firefox found the text boxes were broken. Just downloading PDFs was broken for several weeks, and the official advice was to switch to the beta version of Firefox for Android.
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  The download thing killed me and almost forced me to switch. Very frustrating and it shows how much mobile Firefox is a second class citizen.
  - yabatopia 6y ago
    I used Firefix on Android from the beginning, just like on desktop, but the recent changes pushed me over the edge. It's hard to find a suitable alternative, right now I'm switching between Vivaldi and Kiwi. The current state of Firefox on Android makes me feel really sad.
- nmg 6y ago
  I agree, the current iteration of Firefox on Android feels half baked, and it makes me sad. I wish they'd make it a first class citizen
- Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
  What's intriguing to me is no primary password support on FF Android and yet it allows sync with FF protected with a primary password. DDG using Webview with built in ad-blocker seems to be the fastest android web browser I've ever used. I wonder whether it uses Chrome's data compression. But FF Android supports extensions, at least most used ones and I hope with support for more extensions its adoption could grow.
  - pitaj 6y ago
jypepin 6y ago
I have, again, for the nth time, stopped using firefox a few weeks ago because it started again to be much smaller at page load than chrome/safari. It's sad to always have to switch back and forth because its development is so unstable.
mdoms 6y ago
And still no proper support for pinch to zoom or proper scrolling with touchscreen laptops or Windows touchpads. Every release I hope they will resolve this extremely basic feature. Every release I'm disappointed. Every other browser just works - I don't know if it's native functionality or if they put in the work - but Firefox is just absolutely rubbish here.
- WillYouFinish 6y ago
  Firefox has it at least since the last version. Probably it's disabled on your Firefox for some reason?
  - mdoms 6y ago
    It's not native, it's a poor, buggy implementation.
    - muizelaar 6y ago
      What do you mean by not native? What bugs do you see?
      - mdoms 6y ago
        What could I possibly mean by not native other than not native? Bugs from a quick play-around (comparing with Microsoft Edge): * The zoom with touch pad has a weird latency not present in Edge. * Zoom on touchscreen is janky and jumps around. * Zooming in and then out often (but not consistently) stops working half way through the gesture. * Scrolling behaviour while zoomed is wildly different to native apps like Edge. Scrolling is extremely fast and has some kind of acceleration. * Pinching while scrolling on the touchscreen lags badly. It just feels shitty. Firefox devs don't care about a polished experience on Windows touchscreen laptops and it's a dealbreaker for me.
        nine_k 6y ago
        Cannot confirm any of these points (Win 10 pro, Thinkpad T490p). Everything is buttery smooth, and does exactly what I would expect it to do, both zooming and scrolling. (I only tied the touch screen, though.) Maybe check your touchpad and touchscreen drivers.
OptionX 6y ago
>Firefox 84 is the final release to support Adobe Flash. My newgrounds nostalgia hit me hard after reading this. Despite any criticism on flash it self, there were some pretty cool stuff made with it all the same.
- singularity2001 6y ago
  don't worry, you can keep using flash thanks to wasm http://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-animations-live-forever-at-the-internet-archive/ http://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-animations-live-for...
renke1 6y ago
Is beforeinput enabled yet? – Looking forward to that one.
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robert_foss 6y ago
Aww man. WebRender is really making it a lot nicer to use, and lowering the CPU usage to single digits. This is excellent.
Sunspark 6y ago
Dear Firefox developers, please fix vsync one day.
- muizelaar 6y ago
  What's broken about vsync?
  - Sunspark 6y ago
    https://www.vsynctester.com/ https://www.vsynctester.com/
- Sunspark 6y ago
  Downvotes? Ok, here's another one.. dear Firefox developers, in Google Meet captioning does not display, but does in other browsers.
  - shaicoleman 6y ago
    It's not necessarily Firefox's fault. Google has a long history of making their products glitchy on Firefox. https://www.zdnet.com/article/former-mozilla-exec-google-has-sabotaged-firefox-for-years/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/former-mozilla-exec-google-has...
- neogodless 6y ago
  Is this an issue specific to certain hardware? We have five Windows 10 computers - 3 Intel laptops, 2 with nVidia graphics. 1 Ryzen laptop with nVidia graphics. 1 Ryzen desktop with Radeon graphics. None of them have the tearing issue when watching videos on YouTube using Firefox. The Ryzen laptop and desktop have 144hz screens. The rest are 60hz.
  - Sunspark 6y ago
    https://www.vsynctester.com/ https://www.vsynctester.com/
edumucelli 6y ago
The "new mozillians" link in the changelog is broken, just so that if someone works at Mozilla and wish to report https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2020/12/11/the-new-faces-in-firefox-84/ https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2020/12/11/the-new-faces-...
- rebelwebmaster 6y ago
  Looks like they've fixed the link now: https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2020/12/15/the-new-faces-in-firefox-84/ https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2020/12/15/the-new-faces-...
koreanguy 6y ago
more useless features Firefox should add a feature using ffmpeg decoder that plays every codec and subtitles native in for html5, chrome is in the same camp both are adding useless features nobody but large companies use.
larrik 6y ago
> The Network panel is now able to handle unexpected crashes and render useful debugging details such as a related stack-trace. Users can also easily file a bug report by clicking on the available link to help improve the stability of the tool. Does this mean it will actually work on initial page load? Pretty annoying that a new tab requires loading the page twice with devtools open...
tux 6y ago
"Firefox now uses more modern techniques for allocating shared memory on Linux, improving performance and increasing compatibility with Docker." Finally, now I can use Firefox again. I have an older box, about 10-years old :-) I see noticable speed improvement on linux. I only use few extensions with dark theme, like uBlock/uMatrix/Dark-Reader. I've been using "Ungoogled-Chromium" for the past few years. Its nice to see Firefox improving things on linux. Will definantly use it more now.
- alxndr13 6y ago
  I run a relatively new machine and can still feel the performance improvements made here. Feels really snappy, maybe i will give it a go again as a daily driver.
shirakawasuna 6y ago
Does anyone know what increasing compatibility with docker means? Is this for headlessly running firefox for testing?
cortic 6y ago
My advice; stop reinventing the wheel, and if you must reinvent the wheel, make sure its at least as round as the last one. I've been using FF since Netscape, and it used to be a few settings and we're off. Now, you have to edit policies.json to get updates stopped, autoconfig.js and firefox.cfg to disable telemetry, legacyUserProfileCustomizations to use userChrome.css to get anything like a proper menu system. 'Lockwise' has dumbed down the login system so much you can't even change field names, making many sites incompatible. Nor can you import logins from file or even point to installations to import. The add-ons system is like traveling back in time ten years, bugs and fewer alternatives than ever, still can't figure out how to stop Tree Style Tabs from stealing mouse focus from the page onmouseover like a widget. -And these are problems that were fixed before they were reinvented. For the first time in 16 years I'm seriously trying alternatives. -these were my views on 83, i hope to hell 84 fixes some of them.
- JoshTriplett 6y ago
  > autoconfig.js and firefox.cfg to disable telemetry You can change this in the configuration dialog, and once disabled, that setting will be preserved through Firefox upgrades. You shouldn't need to change this repeatedly. > legacyUserProfileCustomizations to use userChrome.css to get anything like a proper menu system. By "proper menu system", do you mean having the menu bar always visible? You can enable that with View->Toolbars->Menu Bar. > you have to edit policies.json to get updates stopped Doing so would result in running an outdated and potentially insecure browser.
  - cortic 6y ago
    > can change this in the configuration dialog, The options in config were greyed out in 83. > "proper menu system", do you mean.. The ability to make multi tier menu with icons or text instead of both >Doing so would result in running an outdated Doing so would result in a stable system that wouldn't just randomly disable all addons from working, security related addons at that.
    - JoshTriplett 6y ago
noncoml 6y ago
> Firefox now uses more modern techniques for allocating shared memory on Linux, improving performance and increasing compatibility with Docker. Anyone know any more details about this one?
- JoshTriplett 6y ago
  Firefox now uses memfd_create: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1440203 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1440203
  - flas9sd 6y ago
    thank you for the link > .. it should avoid the problems we'd been seeing with overly small /dev/shm in container environments (which were causing serious problems for using Firefox for automated testing of frontend projects). docker has a 64M default for /dev/shm that can be overridden, but in hosted CIs it is not always accessible. Chrome is a user of the IPC shared memory too and trips over it in pipelines because of the low default. They track memfd_create at https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=798221 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=798221
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pt_PT_guy 6y ago
I truly love Firefox for what it (should) mean: an opensource browser that fights for open and diverse web. Specially now that everything is Chromium based. However I'm very disappointed with the corporate way it is managed. Lot's of money for the CEO and cutting development funds. Things I would absolutely buy from Mozilla: private internet services - Something like Zoho: Calendar/Mail/Notes replacement for Google services! - VPN server if available in my country I want to ditch google/apple/microsoft for something "encrypted/private" first. And self-hosting is just a hassle. Provide me easy, "self-hosted"-like services please.
illegalvirus 6y ago
The big one here for web-devs has to be "Show Tabbing Order" feature in the Accessibility menu in the dev tools. Being able to see this should save a lot of trial and error.
mrlala 6y ago
Since this is a firefox thread, I have a very annoying bug that I haven't had much luck searching on... any luck here? I really like the picture-in-picture feature of firefox. However, if I have a video in PiP mode and I click pause, randomly about 5-10 seconds later it unpauses and keeps playing. This happens on both Hulu and Netflix.. on multiple computers and has been going on for quite some time. Seems like such a common thing I'm surprised it hasn't been fixed.
- sfink 6y ago
  It is a common thing, so I'm guessing not many other people are experiencing it. I just tried with Netflix, and it doesn't seem to be happening for me. Do you have any unusual peripherals (that might somehow shift focus to the PIP window and send a space or something)? It's certainly worth filing a bug over. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi
  - mrlala 6y ago
    I will do that and file a bug report. I actually just tried again, and Netflix does not seem to be doing it.. only Hulu. It does this on multiple machines so perhaps just Hulu <> Firefox specific.
koolba 6y ago
Did they fix the bug where you couldn’t search for empty strings using quick search hot keys? Previously a search for an empty string would go to the quick search link with an empty query. The previous release wouldn’t let you submit the search without a non-white space query. Which breaks using the quick searches as bookmarks.
mmwelt 6y ago
Looks like grid view of open tabs[1] will also be available on Android. It's good to see the Android version improving together with the desktop version, since it's pretty much the only mainstream Android browser to support extensions. [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/android/84.0/releasenotes/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/android/84.0/releaseno...
skinkestek 6y ago
I see there are many here who work for or follow Mozilla / Firefox closely. Could someone share: - is there any progress on fixing the extensions API (it doesn't have to be exactly equal to the old, but for example some way to disable tabs on top would be highly appreciated as I always use Sidebery or TST in one or more browsers.) (I generally don't complain much about ux/ui, but this is a real mess). - Are management aware that many of us badly wanted to support the Firefox / Servo teams while we just as badly don't want to support the people who fired lots of them, agreed to shady extension deals etc? (Personally I would accept a heartfelt apology and a change in direction.)

565 points by easton 6y ago

Notable changes are that Apple Silicon support is now stable, and that this is the final release of Firefox to support Adobe Flash.

blindm 6y ago
And if you sorely miss Flash, you can run it with Ruffle: https://ruffle.rs/ https://ruffle.rs/
- bzb6 6y ago
  I tried it on archive.org and it’s not that good. https://archive.org/details/flash_badger https://archive.org/details/flash_badger On Chrome the animation starts lagging behind after a few loops so audio and video desync badly. On Firefox it’s much worse, since Firefox is naturally slower than Chrome so even the first loop is desynced already.
  - Snitch-Thursday 6y ago
    I just tried the above animation on W10 + uBo + Firefox 83. I went through 3 loops and it seemed to stay in sync. Then I hopped over to check this comment and came back to that tab, and it was out of sync at that time. So I think Tab Switching might be a challenge for Ruffle. Clearly Ruffle is not perfect, but leagues, furlongs ahead of having to watch old flash content on YouTube via Unregistered Hypercam 2.
  - phs2501 6y ago
    IIRC (it's been many years) after many loops that animation started desyncing in the real Flash player too. It wasn't terribly noticeable after only a few loops, but the fact that it happened made me think that the audio loop was completely async from the animation.
  - dmix 6y ago
    Didn't not experience this on Chromium/MacOS Big Sur/MBP. In fact it ran perfectly.
- slenk 6y ago
  I will have to keep that in mind. A lot of old management interfaces for rack-mount servers run flash for their web interface :S
  - dmix 6y ago
    Poor, poor `seink2`.
  - driton 6y ago
    That sounds interesting, can you please elaborate on the whys and hows?
    - slenk 6y ago
      I have a Cisco R200 server. It has a built in management interface called CIMC. (There is a proper name for that management type software but I can't remember. From these panels, you can pretty much do anything you want to the physical server - Open a console session, change boot order, bios, etc. Screenshot: https://imgur.com/iWYJIpU https://imgur.com/iWYJIpU
chrisseaton 6y ago
I had no idea they even still supported Flash?! I thought they changed their plugin API so many times that it would have been unsupported many years ago.
- stronglikedan 6y ago
  Major browsers can't ditch Flash until Adobe EOLs it. Too many legacy enterprise apps still rely on it, even though they are likely being frantically reimplemented this month. I'm in that boat.
  - jandrese 6y ago
    Depreciation in Firefox isn't going to cause that much corporate pressure to finally rewrite those ancient flash apps. When Internet Explorer drops it then they have a problem.
    - paulie_a 6y ago
      According to adobe the plugin will stop loading content in January regardless of the browser
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        If IE and Windows are running the extension then I guess IE can tell it the date is anything it wants?
        paulie_a 6y ago
        Hopefully adobe was smart enough to prevent that
        jandrese 6y ago
        Microsoft seems to have mostly abandoned IE so hopefully it won't come to that.
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antouank 6y ago

> Additionally we'll ship an accelerated rendering pipeline for Linux/GNOME/X11 users for the first time, ever!

krzyk 6y ago
Does anyone know how to enable that? I'm on Nightly so I should have it for some time already, but I'm not sure if it is on by default or should I tweak some value.
- rethab 6y ago
  Is this about WebRender? If so, here you go: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/07/firefox-enable-webrender-linux https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/07/firefox-enable-webrender...
- muizelaar 6y ago
  What does "Compositor:" say for you in about:support?
- jdhawk 6y ago
  gfx.webrender.all layers.omtp.enabled layers.acceleration.force-enabled
  - muizelaar 6y ago
    layers.omtp.enabled isn't used when WebRender is on.
    - jdhawk 6y ago
      ah, nice - thanks
ducktective 6y ago
I'm seeing high CPU usage on YouTube after recent updates on Xubuntu. I think it started when they enabled GPU acceleration by default. Previously I could watch even FHD videos without much fan noise, but after recent updates, fans spin at the max speed by playing even 480p quality vids. Anyone else?

kjax 6y ago

Crash logging and reporting in the developer console's network tab is a welcome addition. It might be due to my combination of browser settings and add-ons, but I've found the Firefox developer console to be less than perfectly stable.

jefftk 6y ago

And for developers: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Releases/84 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Rel... The biggest change from my perspective is "Firefox now ensures that localhost URLs — such as http://localhost/ http://localhost/ and http://dev.localhost/ http://dev.localhost/ — refer to the local host's loopback interface (e.g. http://127.0.0.1 http://127.0.0.1). As a result, resources loaded from localhost are now assumed to have been delivered securely (see Secure contexts), and also will not be treated as mixed content (bug 1220810, bug 1488740)." This is great for local development.

macspoofing 6y ago
>This is great for local development. Not just. There is a niche for mixed web/native apps whereby the page is loaded from the web, but interacts (at least in part) with a locally hosted web-server.
- nerdponx 6y ago
  Or even just browser apps that are easy/encouraged to run locally, like Jupyter Notebook.
  - rhizome 6y ago
    Like, started from the local filesystem? I see they have a "Notebook Server," is that what you mean by "locally," rather than starting it from clicking an e.g. "jupyter.html" file? To their credit, it doesn't seem to use Node, and configuration via .py files tells me maybe they have some lightweight server thing that makes it a bit more manageable as a single-user app than via Node or Electron and friends. Anyway, I have a project I have been wanting to be completely self-contained in an HTML file, but that gives me CORS problems, so now I'm thinking maybe the Jupyter posse has implemented a nice compromise I can use.
    - nerdponx 6y ago
      Yes, Jupyter Notebook (and its successor Jupyter Lab) is a Python program that serves a browser (HTML/CSS/JS) application. It is meant to be used equally well when the Jupyter server is on your local machine or somewhere else on the network. Other tools that use similar architectures: Tabula, Kiwi IRC, The Lounge IRC. The user experience is maybe more "technical", but you don't have Electron involved, just whatever web browser you would use for anything else.

chinhodado 6y ago

I love Firefox, I use it everyday, I can't imagine using a browser without Tree Style Tab, or all the things that I can do in about:config. At the same time, I can't shake off the dreadful feeling that it will eventually die one day. The market share keeps falling year by year. What is the most realistic future for Firefox?

Macha 6y ago
I don't see a big comeback for Firefox unless there's a big backlash against the reduced effectiveness of adblocking due to manifest v3 in chrome. It's not like the days where "tabs and ad blocking" were only available in one browser (well two, but Opera was still (a) charging money or (b) including ads depending on the timeframe) and provided a huge incentive to switch from IE. Sync is the closest any browser feature has come to that level in a decade, but all browsers had that pretty quickly. Mozilla also don't have the brand power to push their browser to people who don't actually care but just want the notification on google.com or youtube to go away, or had it bundled with flash player or their windows install or their AV program like a lot of Chrome's rise. My hope is it bottoms out and finds a new stable equilibrium at brave/vivaldi levels. The question is if that's a large enough position to actually maintain a browser engine.
ducktective 6y ago
Basic fear is that it becomes yet another chromium spawn some ~5 years down the line. Recent dramas surrounding FF on Android and unasked-for UI changes in desktop surely didn't win FF any new users...But...I'm still clinging to it.
- distances 6y ago
  What's the drama on Android? It's been working great for me for years now.
  - brianush1 6y ago
    They removed about:config, for one

robin_reala 6y ago

“macOS users running Cylance antivirus software may see their Firefox installation get corrupted due to being erroneously flagged as malware.” I run Firefox Nightly on my work mac (with Cylance) and have been seeing this. Luckily IT have happily whitelisted it and reported back to Cylance, but still slightly weird that a major application would be flagged like this.

spijdar 6y ago
Cylance is insanely sensitive. In my experience running internal penetration tests, it's been one of the few pieces of security software that's genuinely slowed me down and been a nuisance. That said, once you figure out its weak spots, it's as useless as all the others, but it doesn't surprise me it'd flag Firefox.
- RachelF 6y ago
  Many Windows anti-virus packages are the same. Any newly released app is classified as a virus by their hueristics.

Zealotux 6y ago

What's the best way to support the browser directly with money? Pay for the VPN?

ooboe 6y ago
Donate directly to Mozilla/Firefox? http://donate.mozilla.org/ http://donate.mozilla.org/
- gruez 6y ago
  That supports mozilla foundation, which uses the funds for advocacy, but it doesn't support the development of firefox, which is done by the mozilla corporation.
boomboomsubban 6y ago
I don't think their revenue per user has really changes, their problem has been the regular drop in usership. Your money can't offset millions fewer users, which is why they aren't screaming for donations.
input_sh 6y ago
VPN, FPN (https://fpn.firefox.com/ https://fpn.firefox.com/) or Pocket Premium. All of those go to the corporation directly, not the foundation. Out of the three, only Pocket is widely available. FPN is US-only, VPN is only available in like 5-6 countries.
dblohm7 6y ago
Yes. Or Pocket Premium.
lightgreen 6y ago
Donations will increase Mitchell Baker compensation even further, and won't help the browser. I think at this moment donation will corrupt Mozilla even further. Better keep money until they fix the management.
labawi 6y ago
Organize a non-fork alternate development team, accept crowdfunding for specific goals/features.

stronglikedan 6y ago

I hope they fixed the one thing that has been preventing me from switching to FF as my daily driver. The one thing that I can find a few "fixes" for, but none seem to work for me. Starting up to a frozen window, and then having to open new frozen windows, until eventually a non-frozen window opens. Then having to go clear a bunch of zombie processes out of Task Manager. Happens almost daily, and drives me crazy. /rant

3np 6y ago
I had this too but it eventually stopped happening on both my workstations at some point during 2020. Could be one of your extensions, is it happening even without any extensions (assuming trying a recent version of FF doesn't fix it already)
krastanov 6y ago
Is there a bug report for this? This sounds like a crazy issue that could not affect more than a handful of users with extremely particular setups.
- stronglikedan 6y ago
  I've found a few "fixes". From recent memory, disabling extensions, and clearing out my profile from appdata. I'll give this version a shot and hope for the best.

luxurytent 6y ago

On my new work laptop, I installed Firefox first and haven't touched Google Chrome. I've been happy with this and it was finally what made me move off Chrome.

comprev 6y ago
The only reason I use Chrome these days is for built in translation. Apart from that it's always FF.
- cpeterso 6y ago
  Have you tried the "To Google Translate" Firefox add-on? It's not as seamless as Chrome's built-in translation but it works for me. https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/to-google-translate/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/to-google-translate...
  - 3r8riacz 6y ago
    It's so sad they needed to disable the popup translation due to some changes by Google
  - comprev 6y ago
    I lived in a country where I still spoke English and needed seamless translation for most websites (government, insurance, local news, etc.) Chrome was just easier to deal with.

finchisko 6y ago

As user of mac with M1 chip, was waiting for this release.

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eska 6y ago

Mozilla FAQ: > Will switching to a different browser allow me to use Flash? >No. Adobe and other browsers will also end support Flash at the end of 2020. Even if you install an older version of Firefox, the Flash plugin itself will stop loading Flash content after January 12, 2021. See Adobe’s Flash Player End of Life information page for more details Adobe: > Since Adobe will no longer be supporting Flash Player after December 31, 2020 and Adobe will block Flash content from running in Flash Player beginning January 12, 2021, Adobe strongly recommends all users immediately uninstall Flash Player to help protect their systems. Am I only one who finds this disturbing?

CarelessExpert 6y ago
Doesn't concern me. Flash has been on an EOL track for a long time now, and I'm actually pretty happy they're being this aggressive about killing it, as otherwise it could linger on indefinitely, causing security bugs across the web. Why do you find it disturbing?
- bityard 6y ago
  Plenty of legacy enterprise software which is costly to upgrade still relies on Flash for UI.
  - est31 6y ago
    You can always start a VM with flash inside.
  - CarelessExpert 6y ago
    Which is exactly why I'm glad Adobe is being so aggressive. The death of Flash isn't news. If enterprises haven't reacted to that, frankly, they never will short of killing it as is being done here. Letting is linger on just ensures it's a source of ongoing security breaches, and I think we've all seen how dangerous those can be (thanks Experian!) That being said, there's always Ruffle: https://ruffle.rs/ https://ruffle.rs/
- rlkf 6y ago

jacurtis 6y ago

Huge update for users on new Apple Silicon Macs: > Native support for macOS devices built with Apple Silicon CPUs brings dramatic performance improvements over the non-native build that was shipped in Firefox 83: Firefox launches over 2.5 times faster and web apps are now twice as responsive You will need to do a browser reboot after updating to get the ARM64 version instead of the Rosetta version[1] [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/upgrading-new-version-firefox-84-apple-silicon https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/upgrading-new-version-f...

CameronNemo 6y ago
Firefox ARM64 gang woohoo! Been running FF on my pinebook pro for over a year now. Certainly not as speedy as apple silicon, though.
barronlroth 6y ago
Looking forward to benchmarks vs. Safari for battery life and performance.
Aperocky 6y ago
Ever since I switched to my apple silicon Mac I've been using Safari, an unpleasant side effect being that apple seemed to spy on passwords (the browser freezes unless it remembers your password), and youTube ads
- extra88 6y ago
  Go into Safari preferences and uncheck the box for remembering passwords (and the ones for remembering other things while you’re there).

miohtama 6y ago

> WebRender rolls out to MacOS Big Sur, Windows devices with Intel Gen 6 GPUs, and Intel laptops running Windows 7 and 8. Does WebRender imply major speed up?

GNOMES 6y ago
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/07/firefox-enable-webrender-linux https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/07/firefox-enable-webrender...

GNOMES 6y ago

Recently switched back to Firefox (Nightly) from being an early Chrome adopter. Really haven't found any issues compared to Chrome. Performance is supposedly worse, but nothing I have been able to notice in my workflow. Not sure if it's this update or the last, but the added the ability to show the bookmark bar ONLY on the new tab screen ala Chrome's behavior. I can't stand bookmarks as a side panel like the old FF behavior, and not a fan of tree style tabs. Having my bookmark folders on the new screen has been great.

CJefferson 6y ago

Is anyone else worried Firefox on Android is becoming increasingly unusable? How well supported is it my Mozilla I wonder. I often find pages render as blank pages until I refresh, and scrolling will often hang for multiple seconds. I was playing "Jackbox Games" (which is played via the web and PC), and I found those of us on Firefox found the text boxes were broken. Just downloading PDFs was broken for several weeks, and the official advice was to switch to the beta version of Firefox for Android.

vorpalhex 6y ago
The download thing killed me and almost forced me to switch. Very frustrating and it shows how much mobile Firefox is a second class citizen.
- yabatopia 6y ago
  I used Firefix on Android from the beginning, just like on desktop, but the recent changes pushed me over the edge. It's hard to find a suitable alternative, right now I'm switching between Vivaldi and Kiwi. The current state of Firefox on Android makes me feel really sad.
nmg 6y ago
I agree, the current iteration of Firefox on Android feels half baked, and it makes me sad. I wish they'd make it a first class citizen
Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
What's intriguing to me is no primary password support on FF Android and yet it allows sync with FF protected with a primary password. DDG using Webview with built in ad-blocker seems to be the fastest android web browser I've ever used. I wonder whether it uses Chrome's data compression. But FF Android supports extensions, at least most used ones and I hope with support for more extensions its adoption could grow.
- pitaj 6y ago

jypepin 6y ago

I have, again, for the nth time, stopped using firefox a few weeks ago because it started again to be much smaller at page load than chrome/safari. It's sad to always have to switch back and forth because its development is so unstable.

mdoms 6y ago

And still no proper support for pinch to zoom or proper scrolling with touchscreen laptops or Windows touchpads. Every release I hope they will resolve this extremely basic feature. Every release I'm disappointed. Every other browser just works - I don't know if it's native functionality or if they put in the work - but Firefox is just absolutely rubbish here.

WillYouFinish 6y ago
Firefox has it at least since the last version. Probably it's disabled on your Firefox for some reason?
- mdoms 6y ago
  It's not native, it's a poor, buggy implementation.
  - muizelaar 6y ago
    What do you mean by not native? What bugs do you see?
    - mdoms 6y ago
      What could I possibly mean by not native other than not native? Bugs from a quick play-around (comparing with Microsoft Edge): * The zoom with touch pad has a weird latency not present in Edge. * Zoom on touchscreen is janky and jumps around. * Zooming in and then out often (but not consistently) stops working half way through the gesture. * Scrolling behaviour while zoomed is wildly different to native apps like Edge. Scrolling is extremely fast and has some kind of acceleration. * Pinching while scrolling on the touchscreen lags badly. It just feels shitty. Firefox devs don't care about a polished experience on Windows touchscreen laptops and it's a dealbreaker for me.
      - nine_k 6y ago
        Cannot confirm any of these points (Win 10 pro, Thinkpad T490p). Everything is buttery smooth, and does exactly what I would expect it to do, both zooming and scrolling. (I only tied the touch screen, though.) Maybe check your touchpad and touchscreen drivers.

OptionX 6y ago

>Firefox 84 is the final release to support Adobe Flash. My newgrounds nostalgia hit me hard after reading this. Despite any criticism on flash it self, there were some pretty cool stuff made with it all the same.

singularity2001 6y ago
don't worry, you can keep using flash thanks to wasm http://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-animations-live-forever-at-the-internet-archive/ http://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-animations-live-for...

renke1 6y ago

Is beforeinput enabled yet? – Looking forward to that one.

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robert_foss 6y ago

Aww man. WebRender is really making it a lot nicer to use, and lowering the CPU usage to single digits. This is excellent.

Sunspark 6y ago

Dear Firefox developers, please fix vsync one day.

muizelaar 6y ago
What's broken about vsync?
- Sunspark 6y ago
  https://www.vsynctester.com/ https://www.vsynctester.com/
Sunspark 6y ago
Downvotes? Ok, here's another one.. dear Firefox developers, in Google Meet captioning does not display, but does in other browsers.
- shaicoleman 6y ago
  It's not necessarily Firefox's fault. Google has a long history of making their products glitchy on Firefox. https://www.zdnet.com/article/former-mozilla-exec-google-has-sabotaged-firefox-for-years/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/former-mozilla-exec-google-has...
neogodless 6y ago
Is this an issue specific to certain hardware? We have five Windows 10 computers - 3 Intel laptops, 2 with nVidia graphics. 1 Ryzen laptop with nVidia graphics. 1 Ryzen desktop with Radeon graphics. None of them have the tearing issue when watching videos on YouTube using Firefox. The Ryzen laptop and desktop have 144hz screens. The rest are 60hz.
- Sunspark 6y ago
  https://www.vsynctester.com/ https://www.vsynctester.com/

edumucelli 6y ago

The "new mozillians" link in the changelog is broken, just so that if someone works at Mozilla and wish to report https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2020/12/11/the-new-faces-in-firefox-84/ https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2020/12/11/the-new-faces-...

rebelwebmaster 6y ago
Looks like they've fixed the link now: https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2020/12/15/the-new-faces-in-firefox-84/ https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2020/12/15/the-new-faces-...

koreanguy 6y ago

more useless features Firefox should add a feature using ffmpeg decoder that plays every codec and subtitles native in for html5, chrome is in the same camp both are adding useless features nobody but large companies use.

larrik 6y ago

> The Network panel is now able to handle unexpected crashes and render useful debugging details such as a related stack-trace. Users can also easily file a bug report by clicking on the available link to help improve the stability of the tool. Does this mean it will actually work on initial page load? Pretty annoying that a new tab requires loading the page twice with devtools open...

tux 6y ago

"Firefox now uses more modern techniques for allocating shared memory on Linux, improving performance and increasing compatibility with Docker." Finally, now I can use Firefox again. I have an older box, about 10-years old :-) I see noticable speed improvement on linux. I only use few extensions with dark theme, like uBlock/uMatrix/Dark-Reader. I've been using "Ungoogled-Chromium" for the past few years. Its nice to see Firefox improving things on linux. Will definantly use it more now.

alxndr13 6y ago
I run a relatively new machine and can still feel the performance improvements made here. Feels really snappy, maybe i will give it a go again as a daily driver.

shirakawasuna 6y ago

Does anyone know what increasing compatibility with docker means? Is this for headlessly running firefox for testing?

cortic 6y ago

My advice; stop reinventing the wheel, and if you must reinvent the wheel, make sure its at least as round as the last one. I've been using FF since Netscape, and it used to be a few settings and we're off. Now, you have to edit policies.json to get updates stopped, autoconfig.js and firefox.cfg to disable telemetry, legacyUserProfileCustomizations to use userChrome.css to get anything like a proper menu system. 'Lockwise' has dumbed down the login system so much you can't even change field names, making many sites incompatible. Nor can you import logins from file or even point to installations to import. The add-ons system is like traveling back in time ten years, bugs and fewer alternatives than ever, still can't figure out how to stop Tree Style Tabs from stealing mouse focus from the page onmouseover like a widget. -And these are problems that were fixed before they were reinvented. For the first time in 16 years I'm seriously trying alternatives. -these were my views on 83, i hope to hell 84 fixes some of them.

JoshTriplett 6y ago
> autoconfig.js and firefox.cfg to disable telemetry You can change this in the configuration dialog, and once disabled, that setting will be preserved through Firefox upgrades. You shouldn't need to change this repeatedly. > legacyUserProfileCustomizations to use userChrome.css to get anything like a proper menu system. By "proper menu system", do you mean having the menu bar always visible? You can enable that with View->Toolbars->Menu Bar. > you have to edit policies.json to get updates stopped Doing so would result in running an outdated and potentially insecure browser.
- cortic 6y ago
  > can change this in the configuration dialog, The options in config were greyed out in 83. > "proper menu system", do you mean.. The ability to make multi tier menu with icons or text instead of both >Doing so would result in running an outdated Doing so would result in a stable system that wouldn't just randomly disable all addons from working, security related addons at that.
  - JoshTriplett 6y ago

noncoml 6y ago

> Firefox now uses more modern techniques for allocating shared memory on Linux, improving performance and increasing compatibility with Docker. Anyone know any more details about this one?

JoshTriplett 6y ago
Firefox now uses memfd_create: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1440203 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1440203
- flas9sd 6y ago
  thank you for the link > .. it should avoid the problems we'd been seeing with overly small /dev/shm in container environments (which were causing serious problems for using Firefox for automated testing of frontend projects). docker has a 64M default for /dev/shm that can be overridden, but in hosted CIs it is not always accessible. Chrome is a user of the IPC shared memory too and trips over it in pipelines because of the low default. They track memfd_create at https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=798221 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=798221

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pt_PT_guy 6y ago

I truly love Firefox for what it (should) mean: an opensource browser that fights for open and diverse web. Specially now that everything is Chromium based. However I'm very disappointed with the corporate way it is managed. Lot's of money for the CEO and cutting development funds. Things I would absolutely buy from Mozilla: private internet services - Something like Zoho: Calendar/Mail/Notes replacement for Google services! - VPN server if available in my country I want to ditch google/apple/microsoft for something "encrypted/private" first. And self-hosting is just a hassle. Provide me easy, "self-hosted"-like services please.

illegalvirus 6y ago

The big one here for web-devs has to be "Show Tabbing Order" feature in the Accessibility menu in the dev tools. Being able to see this should save a lot of trial and error.

mrlala 6y ago

Since this is a firefox thread, I have a very annoying bug that I haven't had much luck searching on... any luck here? I really like the picture-in-picture feature of firefox. However, if I have a video in PiP mode and I click pause, randomly about 5-10 seconds later it unpauses and keeps playing. This happens on both Hulu and Netflix.. on multiple computers and has been going on for quite some time. Seems like such a common thing I'm surprised it hasn't been fixed.

sfink 6y ago
It is a common thing, so I'm guessing not many other people are experiencing it. I just tried with Netflix, and it doesn't seem to be happening for me. Do you have any unusual peripherals (that might somehow shift focus to the PIP window and send a space or something)? It's certainly worth filing a bug over. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi
- mrlala 6y ago
  I will do that and file a bug report. I actually just tried again, and Netflix does not seem to be doing it.. only Hulu. It does this on multiple machines so perhaps just Hulu <> Firefox specific.

koolba 6y ago

Did they fix the bug where you couldn’t search for empty strings using quick search hot keys? Previously a search for an empty string would go to the quick search link with an empty query. The previous release wouldn’t let you submit the search without a non-white space query. Which breaks using the quick searches as bookmarks.

mmwelt 6y ago

Looks like grid view of open tabs[1] will also be available on Android. It's good to see the Android version improving together with the desktop version, since it's pretty much the only mainstream Android browser to support extensions. [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/android/84.0/releasenotes/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/android/84.0/releaseno...

skinkestek 6y ago

I see there are many here who work for or follow Mozilla / Firefox closely. Could someone share: - is there any progress on fixing the extensions API (it doesn't have to be exactly equal to the old, but for example some way to disable tabs on top would be highly appreciated as I always use Sidebery or TST in one or more browsers.) (I generally don't complain much about ux/ui, but this is a real mess). - Are management aware that many of us badly wanted to support the Firefox / Servo teams while we just as badly don't want to support the people who fired lots of them, agreed to shady extension deals etc? (Personally I would accept a heartfelt apology and a change in direction.)