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Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings
- geogra4 6y agoThe us government has not successfully prosecuted an antitrust case since att in 1984. This is a pretty clear cut case
- fmajid 6y agoYou can blame Justice Robert Bork for that (yes, he of Nixon’s Saturday Night Massacre and failed Supreme Court nomination): https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/robert-borks-america/ https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/robert-bork... The Chicago School invented the “free markets can do no wrong” ideology that denies the possibility of monopoly, but Bork is the one who weaponized it to cripple antitrust, in plain violation of the statutes. The article is from a right-wing site, BTW.
- moogly 6y agoThis looks to be the Chrome team just sneakily continuing with old ideas/changes: 2 years ago: "Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies"[1] 1.5 years ago: "Chrome 'clear cookies on exit' feature does not work"[2] [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18064537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18064537 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19475254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19475254
- arusahni 6y agoNon-Chrome user here - does clearing Google cookies on exit sign you out of the browser-level account? If so, I could see some world where they wanted to avoid that UX. Of course, there are more honest ways to present this: e.g., a toggle in the same settings screen that gives you enough context to be able to opt in/out.
- nunodonato 6y agoIt's amazing the amount of crap people put up with in exchange for some comforts and conveniences these days (google, apple, amazon). Sad that so very few people put values first
- red_admiral 6y agoApple seems to me, if not perfect, at least a couple of levels up from google or amazon.
- _dibly 6y agoApple is the one looking to expand into health and wellness. The data Apple can harvest is going to become more and more valuable. They're rolling out home speakers and the Apple Watch is increasingly becoming a DYI diagnostic tool. I think it's a bit naive to think that Apple is somehow more altruistic than any other big tech company.
- jtbayly 6y ago> DYI diagnostic tool I'm not familiar with that term. Does it mean a "Do Yourself In" diagnostic tool?
- faitswulff 6y agoAh yes, the notorious Do Yourself In category of diagnostic tools.
- jskdvsksnb 6y agoWhat are personal health metrics but the inverse of personal mortality metrics?
- ocdtrekkie 6y agoIt's not altruism, it's just their business model happens to be more compatible with people's rights: Apple sells hardware at a premium price. Google monetizes data to push ads. Ads aren't a big part of premium experiences, Apple recognizes nobody likes them. Which is why Apple devices generally only have ads in third party experiences, and Google shoves ads right in the default mail app.
- solarkraft 6y ago
- Tipewryter 6y agoTo avoid this type of thing I start Chromium via a script that replaces all settings with their defaults when I quit Chromium: chromium-browser \ --password-store=basic \ --enable-dom-distiller \ %U rm -r ~/.cache/chromium rm -r ~/.config/chromium/Default cp -r ~/chromiumDefault \ ~/.config/chromium/Default ~/chromiumDefault is the dir as it was created when I started Chromium for the first time and set all settings the way I like it. I update it every once in a while when I tweak a setting.
- simias 6y agoSeems like an interesting method but at this point why not just use Firefox?
- Nacraile 6y agoSo, honest question, because I'm genuinely bewildered: why would you bother doing this, when Firefox exists, is perfectly functional, and isn't made by Google?
- annilt 6y agoI’m back to Firefox after many years, it’s quite good and I don’t miss anything from Chrome other than one click translate page button. Also looks like FF has caught up Chrome performance-wise. It’s fast, it respects your privacy, very nice!
- trwired 6y agoIt actually feels faster than Chrome to me. I've been primarily on Firefox for the past few months and was really surprised to find Chrome not feeling as responsive when I tried to use it recently.
- input_sh 6y agoJust search for Google Translate in add-ons. You'll find some that provide you with that behaviour on right-click.
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- f311a 6y agoI think this test should be performed when you logged out from the Chrome profile. Youtube, Google Docs and Google search automatically pick it when you logged in.
- _qulr 6y ago> I think this test should be performed when you logged out from the Chrome profile. It was.
- dontbenebby 6y agoWow, that UI looks deceptive. Maybe if an organization like the FTC “nudged” Google with fines, or DOJ looked at other options, the smart folks at Google would get better at these sort of things once they’d had the proper incentives given to them.
- vehemenz 6y agoAlong with sign-in-to-sync, AMP, URL hiding, upcoming manifest v3, Google is doing their best to benefit advertising and data collection. As the market leader in ads, it is textbook anti-competitive behavior, but the courts will have to decide if it is legally.
- superasn 6y agoI'm kinda happy they are doing it more and more. Just waiting for the last straw that breaks the camel's back.
- ignoramous 6y agoI'm afraid the lobby money will keep buying them extra straws.
- tupputuppu 6y agoThis isn't the highly visible anticompetitive behavior which might cause a backlash. Regular people, or even journalists or judges won't even understand what cookie clearing on exit means. If there's antitrust sentiments towards Google, it needs to come from some where else.
- nojito 6y agoChrome is one thing the DOJ is using to push its case against Google. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/10/feds-may-target-googles-chrome-browser-for-breakup-428468 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/10/feds-may-target-goo...
- feanaro 6y agoOn the other hand, a corporation cannot be allowed to continue its anti-competitive practice just because the subject is too complex for an average person to comprehend. Techology isn't going away and is becoming ever more important. It seems obvious to me that we will need cross-domain specialists to handle cases such as this in the future -- someone with both a legal and computer science background.
- proto-n 6y agoI would be curious how chrome engineers rationalize this one away.
- minikites 6y agoImagine if we paid programmers like teachers so only the dedicated and thoughtful ones stuck around.
- hrktb 6y agoMaking conditions crappier won’t help. Imagine reducing accountants salary expecting them to be more ethical as a result of the change.
- aspenmayer 6y agoBest argument for paying teachers better I’ve heard in a while!
- baq 6y agoMoney and more money, also ‘if it wasn’t me, somebody else would do it for this much money’
- vehemenz 6y ago::cashes $20k monthly paycheck:: I just do what I'm told.
- cute_boi 6y agoa corporate strategy. We cannot blame engineer because we are made to believe they made it because of their manager. And we cannot blame those manager because we are made to believe higher manager did it. And ultimately we cannot blame anyway and just say Google did it. And now nobody cares because people think google is very large organization we cannot blame whole organization for small things. I will blame them for making such system. If we blame them I think ultimately this issue is going to be solved?
- anaganisk 6y ago
- mqus 6y agoTo me it seems to be that way if you logged into chrome (and therefore into all google services). It seems reasonable that it does not log you out(e.g. delete cookies) when restarting the browser, even when setting it otherwise. But those things are why i don't use chrome anymore so I can't verify it.
- _qulr 6y ago[Article author here] I'm not logged into Chrome or any Google services. I've gone through everything in chrome://settings and disabled all of the Google-related settings.
- greatgib 6y agoWake up, welcome the real world Neo! It's the perfect kind of example needed by the anti trust authorities to justify breaking up Google in parts.
- wombatmobile 6y ago“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.” — George Orwell, 1984
- eCa 6y agoIt’s like they want to be broken up at the rate they are going.
- sidyapa 6y agoA tangent but, a lot of google's sites disobey browser standards and rules like for example sound autoplay on load. When you visit https://santatracker.google.com/ https://santatracker.google.com/ or youtube, it automatically plays sound without any user interaction, which is impossible for non Google sites to do
- silexia 6y agoWow, this is terrifying. I am a big supported of Google and dislike the recent attacks on FAANG, but this is shocking to me. If they are exempting themselves from this, what else could they be doing?!
- liveoneggs 6y agothey have always had whitelists for friends inside of chrome
- Hurdy 6y agoThe comment implies that this is somehow hardcoded just for Google sites, which is not true. Autoplay is allowed for sites with a high enough media engagement index. You can check chrome://media-engagement.
- orf 6y agoI loaded the page and went through a few actions, but I cannot see anything in chrome://media-engagement about it
- yreg 6y agoI do see Santa Tracker in mine, it gave it a score of 0.05, the same as the web of my high school and less than say knowyourmeme.com which sits at 0.1
- drawfloat 6y agoAnd media engagement is based on an opaque set of factors that just so happen to give top authority to Google sites.
- bofenbref 6y agoTo be filed under Not Even Pretending Anymore.
- Someone1234 6y agoRelevant Brave (Chromium-based browser) bug discussion on exactly this: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/1127 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/1127 They merged in a (partial?) bug fix in 2019: https://github.com/brave/brave-ios/pull/883 https://github.com/brave/brave-ios/pull/883 The underlying problem isn't that Google sites are directly excluded, it is that Local Storage, Database Storage, and Service Workers aren't cleared by that setting, and that Google uses those for persistence. Is this being evil or was support just not added when those were introduced? I have absolutely no idea. But I agree with fixing the underlying bug in Chromium either way.
- Vinnl 6y agoNot exactly this: according to that bug-report, it happens to non-Google sites as well, if I'm reading it right.
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- sildur 6y agoIn the article you can see chrome deleting Apple's local storage, but not Google's.
- tonetheman 6y agoIf you right click inspect and go to applications you can clear all of the site settings. But the end user UI should support this option. You could argue that a Service Worker should not be cleared since that is more than likely not personal data exactly.
- est 6y ago> Local Storage, Database Storage, and Service Workers aren't cleared by that setting, and that Google uses those for persistence. I always search with a specific Google.ca domain with cookie and javascript disabled. It worked really well and Google knew zero shit about my search habits on my Gmail account.
- SimeVidas 6y agopretends to be shocked
- amelius 6y agoSadly, one of the few ways to fight back is to make your website perform slightly worse when viewed on a Chrome browser.
- cute_boi 6y agogoogle knows it should do these things slowly. Nice in future my insurance company will show me ads on basis of how much fit i am by watching my computer usage. If i see computer for more than 8 hour they think i am unhealthy and will not give insurance. Good job google. And to all those people using chrome you are reason this is happening.
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- ButWhatFor 6y agoIt’s almost like that’s their business... thanks for pointing it out
- austincheney 6y agoIs this behavior also present in the Chromium browser as well or is it unique to Chrome?
- chinathrow 6y agoUse Chrome, they said. Use Gmail, they said. Use AMP, they said. And in the end, the open web was gone. Yours truly, 2025.
- markawesome 6y agoGod, people are so quick to jump on the Google-hate train and then advocate for a politicized justice department to hop in and somehow make everything better. Mozilla is just as guilty as Google. Mozilla has Firefox sync and Chrome has its own sync. This is basically to stop clearing browser data from automatically disabling sync, which most people would want. There are a plethora of third-party tools that allow you to clear your browser data completely if you want. There is nothing stopping you from using them, and you'd also be surprised how much you can do (including disabling Google Sync) from a simple policy file. Stop waiting on your government to fix things because they aren't going to. If you want to fix things, then build your own tools to abstract syncing, bookmarks, and other features from the browser. They exist, whether you've ever taken the time to look or not. Somehow it is easier though for people to simply say... The government will fix it for me, rather than fixing things yourself.
- dbuder 6y agoWhat is your relationship with Google et al?
- vehemenz 6y agoMozilla does not have other websites and an advertising platform tied to your browser history, and bookmarks. Firefox Sync is basically a standalone service. Pretty big difference.
- mthoms 6y agoThe author posted elsewhere in this thread that they were signed out of Google entirely. So sync was disabled. >Mozilla is just as guilty as Google. Since Mozilla doesn't do anything similar when not signed into their sync service, this is plainly false. >If you want to fix things, then build your own tools to abstract syncing, bookmarks, and other features from the browser. They exist, whether you've ever taken the time to look or not. If you're not highly technical, you're not entitled to privacy? >Somehow it is easier though for people to simply say... The government will fix it for me, rather than fixing things yourself. It's simple. Some of us believe that a base level of privacy is a human right. And the only entities capable of facilitating those human rights are governments.
- AlchemistCamp 6y agohttps://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
- sam_goody 6y ago"I am shocked, shocked... " Chrome creates a unique ID for each user (there has been much discussion about the entropy vs the uniqueness for the install key), they have been found to give a pass for Google Analytics when visiting from Chrome, etc. And what else do you expect when it is in their interest to track you (and to have a excuse to justify their knowledge when found out in other grey areas). EDIT: The quote above is from Casablanca, was once very famous [1] [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME
- whack 6y agoBreak up Google into the following companies, each with its own independent shareholders, board, and CEO: - Search - GMail - Drive/Docs - YouTube - Android - Chrome - GCP Until that happens, these shenanigans are destined to continue.
- Mxs2000 6y agoWhy would there be independent shareholders? If I own GOOG today I should be entitled to an equivalent share of all its parts when broken up.
- tehlike 6y agoYou would be given those shares yes.
- anticensor 6y agoInstead of breaking it apart, which would cause extraneous expenses, turn it into a non profit: Pay out all creditors (regardless of immediacy of the debt), executives and shareholders in the process. Then turn it into a non-profit with a primary purpose of "furthering the public access to knowledge of mankind in any suitable manner, including web search and cloud computing".
- n1vz3r 6y agoLove the idea. Also let's put "do no evil" back as part of the company mission
- anticensor 6y agoDo no evil has been replaced by abide by both the letter and the spirit of the law: "We rely on one another’s good judgment to uphold a high standard of integrity for ourselves and our company. Each of us should be guided by both the letter and the spirit of this Code."
- driverdan 6y ago
- calimac 6y agoAntitrust
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- allie1 6y agoHas been the way its done for years How else will they monitor cloaking etc and warning of phishing etc?
- SquareWheel 6y agoPresumably related to their linking of browser sync with the site-level Google login. That was an unnecessary change, and this is a good example of why a separation of concerns is important.
- phkahler 6y agoStop complaining about Google and start using Firefox. Simple. If it's not simple and you find yourself tied to Chrome then you dug your own hole. This type of thing has been going on a long time.
- jimueller 6y agoAgreed, good to call them out, if this is intentional, but about the only way to stop this stuff is to stop using their browser. I switched back to Firefox a few years ago. I know they've had their issues recently but still probably the least evil browser.
- d0gbread 6y agoSince I see some agreeing comments, I'll throw out a bit about why I disagree. Like shopping on Amazon, or buying from China, I'm going to do what's best for me as an individual. It's government's job to step in and tweak the playing field to keep it competitive, and I'll happily vote to regulate the very things that serve me today, whether that's breaking businesses up, preventing mergers in the first place, having businesses pay for their externalities, etc.
- pfortuny 6y agoWell “best” is defined as an outcome of a value order.
- dmitryminkovsky 6y agoIf these things are good for you as an individual (cheap, convenient), why would you want the government to step in and mess them up?
- 2T1Qka0rEiPr 6y agoI would guess the OP is making the argument that as a single-mover he wouldn't see much benefit. But where institutions and governments intervene, they can encourage competition, and so improve the state of the lesser player, in addition to potentially crippling that of the dominant one. An example to which I could relate in terms of this line of thinking is plane vs. train travel. Were subsidies to flow towards the train rather than the plane, it would make it more affordable for me to the environmentally better thing. However, as things stand, I frequently find it hard individually to justify the often much higher cost AND longer duration of the train over the plane.
- djhaskin987 6y agoDo your part to fight the monopoly. Endure the broken sites and sometimes poor support and download Firefox. If that doesn't work, like it kind of won't for me either, go with Microsoft Edge. They're currently based on Chromium but that's only because they're trying to embrace and extinguish Google Chrome. It's another big giant but at least we're giving Google a run for their money.
- black_puppydog 6y agoAlso, if a page doesn't work, and it's not essential to you (like, 99% of news sites) simply close the tab. And leave a ranty comment on the HN thread for bonus points :P
- ViViDboarder 6y agoBut for real, what sites are broken? I’ve been using Firefox for years and haven’t found one. Some are broken by my tracking protection, but toggling that off for one time access generally yields a working site.
- djhaskin987 6y agodoxy.me purports to support Firefox but it doesn't work when I try to video call my doctor. Sococo, a remote working tool, doesn't even try and tells you to switch browsers. PluralSight Flow is used at work and presents random blank pages on FF where content should be. Nutanix Prism Central's page has been broken in Firefox. All of these are our could be mission critical apps used on a daily basis to perform my job. In general, an attitude is strong among developers themselves that you should use Chrome because it makes their jobs easier. I filed a bug on an internal company site years ago in Firefox and was told to stop using Firefox. With that said, the real way devs can do their part is to go out of their way to support Firefox.
- n1vz3r 6y agoI use Firefox since 2005 as my main browser (I had a brief affair with Chrome between 2009 and 2012), and never experienced broken sites and poor support. Firefox works just fine.
- iwalsh 6y agoThere is an ancient (created in 2012) bug report about this general issue; it appears broader than the report's title would indicate: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=127340 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=127340
- super_mario 6y agoI guess their motto is now "Be evil".
- vishnumohandas 6y agoOver the last few months I have had ~30,0000 visits to my website, almost entirely from HN, and I was disheartened to find that 52% of visitors were using Chrome[1]. Given the pro-open-web and anti-FAANG sentiments that's shared on HN I had expected slightly different results. [1]: https://simpleanalytics.com/vishnu.tech?start=2019-10-18&end=2020-10-18 https://simpleanalytics.com/vishnu.tech?start=2019-10-18&end...
- gambiting 6y agoI'm surprised that it was so low. I work in tech and I don't know anyone who uses anything other than Chrome.
- reachtarunhere 6y agoLots of us do. Firefox is my browser on all my devices. I do use Chrome when visiting Google Docs which I assume is deliberately sabotaged on Firefox though.
- SafaT 6y agoI strongly agree with you, most of the time I feel that non-Google browsers including Safari is somehow blocked or slowed down.
- shadowgovt 6y agoIt's more lack of optimization. We could alternatively put the blame on Mozilla's doorstep for not optimizing FF's engine to run Docs better.
- lettergram 6y agoI found Firefox to work fine on google docs tbh. It used to be slower, but haven’t had an issue in probably a year
- vishnumohandas 6y ago
- bambam24 6y agoSurprise !!
- gundmc 6y agoDoesn't look like it's working as expected, but it seems like a leap too far for the author to make the assumption that Google sites are somehow specifically excluded from that small of a trial. Several others have posted chromium bugs that indicate it's an issue with the file system more generally affecting many sites.
- varispeed 6y agoWe need to start lobby governments to make this data collection and processing business illegal. I think all the platforms like Google, Facebook, Instagram and so on should be forbidden to collect the data they don't need to conduct business. That is they should not be allowed to package the data and sell or develop new products using this data. Otherwise we should consider whether people using their products could be considered their employees and had to be paid appropriate wages? In the end entering data to their systems is a job.
- briandear 6y agoOr just stop using those services. Privacy can be a competitive advantage.
- Seb-C 6y agoIt is not as bad as Google, but mozilla also does some shady stuff that I find annoying and eroded my trust in them. When I go to the extension store (as a developer) and click on "Manage or submit extensions", they automatically get my email and credentials from my Firefox sync account (the one registered in my browser). I understood that by trying to use this store with multiple accounts in multiple containers, but it is impossible. You cannot get the normal and neutral connection screen to login to any account, they grab your credentials without your consent anyway. https://addons.mozilla.org/developers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/developers/
- morpheuskafka 6y agoTrue, but I think a better argument can be made that an addon website is an integral part of the brower itself, as opposed to an unrelated website like Search or YouTube.
- m463 6y agoI turned off everything I could in firefox and it still phoned home all the time. Finally I just firewalled it off: firefox.settings.services.mozilla.com shavar.services.mozilla.com aus5.mozilla.org
- macinjosh 6y agoIf this isn't anti-competitive, anti-trust behavior I don't know what is anymore. Obviously, my opinion does not matter and courts would have to decide that. But I've been saying it for years. If you care about the open web please stop using Chromium browsers.
- delduca 6y agoThat's because the sync.
- wnevets 6y agoIs this to make sure their browser sign sync feature works? I recall that being a thing years ago.
- frankzen 6y agoDid anyone really expected better from Google?
- fiatjaf 6y agoRelated: The web is unimplementable.[0] [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24819130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24819130
- dartharva 6y agoThat's weird, I've been having a hard time using Google Classroom and Drive because it actually is respecting cookie restrictions. I have to temporarily disable third party cookie blocking or Google Drive videos don't play in my browser.
- IAmGraydon 6y agoWhy is anyone using Chrome at this point? I use Firefox and honestly, I wouldn't even know the difference if it weren't for a few unique UI features. Old habits? If that's the case, you deserve what you get for your laziness.
- coding123 6y agoI just switched to Firefox. Haven't used it in a long time. The one feature that helped me switch that wasn't there in the past was the Password import feature. Done and done. Goodbye Chrome after 12 years.
- driverdan 6y agoUse a 3rd party tool like BitWarden or 1Password for password management. It prevents browser lock in.
- _qulr 6y ago[Article author here] A few notes: 1. I tested with many different sites and configurations in order to narrow down the issue. The screenshots in the article are just a small sample of my tests, for illustration. 2. I'm not logged into Chrome or any Google services. I've gone through chrome://settings and disabled everything Google-related. Nonetheless, although I'm not using those Chrome features, this issue obviously could be related to the existence of those features in Chrome. 3. My goal in publishing the article was to get the issue fixed ASAP. I'm a browser extension developer, so I'm constantly testing with different browsers, including Chrome, Firefox, and Safari. It wasn't my intention to start a browser war. 4. I believe that Chrome is entirely open source, so I hope that someone familiar with the code base will take a look at this issue. The sheer size and complexity makes it a bit daunting for an outsider, but since Chromium has been adopted by other browsers such as Brave and Edge, there are outside developers already working on it.
- noisem4ker 6y ago4. Chromium is open-source, while Chrome is not.
- _qulr 6y agoHmm. It seems to be mostly open source though? I found a document about differences on Linux, and I didn't see much. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/chromium_browser_vs_google_chrome.md https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs...
- tedivm 6y agoChromium is the open source bit, Chrome is Chromium plus a bunch of proprietary changes that google adds. You can run Chromium- it is a browser by itself- but it's not the same thing you'd download and run if you grab Chrome.
- lima 6y agoThe "proprietary changes that google adds" are API keys[1], branding, and external plugins like Flash/Widevine. Other than those, the source code is identical. [1]: https://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/api-keys https://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/api-keys
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- squarefoot 6y agoWhy? Because they can. And we can, although in a very small part, blame also Mozilla for this. Firefox back then had a bright future since any Windows user comparing it with IE could immediately notice how it was leagues beyond in features, security and stability. There was a problem though: it was slow as molasses on normal machines, so when Google published the first Chrome version, it was like someone turned on the afterburner on web surfing. That was back when "do no evil" was still part of Google's mission and when I and many others would gladly do crazy things to work there, so it wasn't much of a problem to migrate to it, which I did and kept using for a few years. I don't know the reasons behind Firefox slowness, probably the XUL engine and/or the lack of optimization, but alas this was very noticeable, especially in multitab sessions which for me are the norm. Then Google completed its transition from a techies heaven to a corporation, with the inevitable changes to their politics, which made me and others migrate back to Firefox even before it was rewritten to become much more snappy. The rest is recent history. Nowadays Firefox and Chrome are pretty much equivalent wrt speed, although Firefox seems still faster and better suited to sustain lots of active extensions (currently I have 24, 21 of which enabled), but of course privacy plays a major role here, and I wouldn't go back to Chrome even if it still was much faster than Firefox. Lots of people's mileage will vary of course. What I wonder is however what would have happened, had back then Firefox been already written with speed in mind; could Chrome easily take the top position in an era when Google wasn't today's Google? I think not. At least not that easily. The bottom line should be: optimize your damn code even if a 10% slower competition doesn't make it a top priority, before a new unexpected 20% faster product catches you unprepared.
- mgraczyk 6y agoLooking through the Chromium source code, it looks like it may be related to this? https://blog.chromium.org/2020/02/samesite-cookie-changes-in-february.html https://blog.chromium.org/2020/02/samesite-cookie-changes-in... The reason I say this: This test case appears to suggest that Google intentionally adds google owned domains to `managed_legacy_cookie_access_allowed_for_domains`: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/b9c645c0b167a38b8f93b6c9e9f5a6a2f3e854ae/chrome/test/data/policy/policy_test_cases.json https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/b9c645c0b16... The Chrome source code shows that this settings adds CONTENT_SETTING_ALLOW to these "legacy" cookies (LEGACY_COOKIE_ACCESS): https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:components/content_settings/core/browser/content_settings_policy_provider.cc;drc=73556cb05064dba1639e1154a66f76e885365eea;bpv=1;bpt=1;l=86 https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:c... Elsewhere, it seems that `CONTENT_SETTING_ALLOW` causes cookies to be persisted even when you enable "Clear cookies and site data when you quit Chrome".
- _def 6y agoThis shows why it is so important not to speak of just cookies when you're talking about privacy. Cookies aren't the problem. Tracking is.
- pgt 6y agoI was thinking about The Fall of Google in the shower today and how it could happen while seemingly more evil Amazon is flourishing. The reason I think comes down to Google's unwillingness to let engineers talk to customers. If even 10% of the engineers at Google were talking to customers inbetween sitting on multi-coloured bouncy balls and having political in-fights with PM competitions for who could destroy and relaunch Google Chat the fastest, they would still be winning instead of me typing this in Mozilla Firefox on an iPhone with DuckDuckGo as the default search engine.
- nuker 6y agoGoogle customers are corp's marketing departments, not people. People are natural resource for Ad data mining, which usage should be taxed or licenced by govs, btw, like oil. Amazon just sells stuff, so customers are people.
- rocqua 6y agoYou still gotta 'manage' your natural resources. Lumberjacks try and keep the forest from burning down. Miners keep their tunnels from collapsing. Similarly, google should manage their users better. 'Should' here is not meant as a moral imperative. It is meant as "If you want decent profits, you should do this".
- nuker 6y agoThey do, they insert "privacy" in all comms, fancy new switches in apps, trying their best to look concerned. And it works, people feel good after flipping off yet another "privacy" switch.
- demygale 6y agoChrome is the Internet Explorer of this decade. I’m old enough to remember when some developers defended IE when it was hot trash. There’s just no excuse for using it.
- n1vz3r 6y agoI don't understand why your post is downvoted. We need to SHOUT about switching to single other alternative left (Firefox) until it is too late.
- Animats 6y agoIs this in open-source Chromium?
- Maha-pudma 6y agoFrom the outside looking in I always wonder why anyone uses chrome. I'm not a web dev but do use devtools. Why use Chrome over something like Firefox, Vivaldi or one of the other browsers? Genuine question, what makes it so good.
- shadowgovt 6y agoIt's faster. I've tried switching several times. Firefox is slower for the sites I visit.
- defnotashton2 6y agoFf extension management is unusable for 5 or more extensions. Need extensions to prevent sites from blocking select, copy, paste. I want an extension manager extension that let's me quick toggle extensions but ff apis don't currently support this from what I understand.
- shadowgovt 6y agoI wonder if they short-cutted the logic because the Google domain stores state for the Google account, which Chrome itself tires into as a browser feature?
- userbinator 6y agoThere could be some sort of hardcoded list of domains in the browser for this to happen (even if obfuscated), and if so, that should be rather easy to find... or it might be a complex combination of conditions leading to this, which is great evidence for the argument that browsers are becoming far too complex.
- sziring 6y agoDon’t assume because you said never store cookies for YouTube or google they haven’t built a server side cache based off your browser.
- sziring 6y agoDon’t assume because you said never store cookies for YouTube or Google they haven’t built a server side cache / profile.
- jameslin 6y ago"Don't be evil"...