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iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max
- all_usernames 7y agoAnyone else notice the irony of Cook's statement near the beginning that the last model lineup has a 99% satisfaction rate? So why do we need new phones then? "People don't know what they want until you show it to them." ~ Steve
- runesoerensen 7y agoProduct page now online: https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/
- suh_dude 7y agoSeems to be a camera with a phone app
- jonlucc 7y agoThey could do away with the phone app, and I'd be just fine. It's my least favorite part of my phone.
- sbuk 7y agoThese devices stopped being smart"phones" a while ago. Complaining about the phone not being a major part of these devices (I'm including Android devices too) is missing the wood for the trees.
- FreeHugs 7y agoLooks like the camera is their main selling proposition. For me, the camera is the reason why I do not consider buying an iPhone. Because it sticks out on the back. I don't know .. for me it's impossible to imagine using a phone that does not have a flat back.
- netfl0 7y agoIf you have a case, it doesn’t matter. If you don’t have a case it would be annoying.
- DangerousPie 7y agoOf all the reasons not to buy this this one seems a bit silly to me. How is this such a big problem? I have an older iPhone where the camera sticks out as well and I don't even realize it. It has zero effect on day to day use. And if it does cause problems just get a case?
- ProAm 7y agoApple users are finicky and love aesthetics. That's one of Apple's/Ive (before he left) major selling points was simple beauty. A lump on the back is not beautiful, simple, clean or elegant.
- jonknee 7y agoAnd yet way more iPhones with camera bumps have been sold than ones without. Life moves on. In the real world almost everyone uses a case and that negates any camera bump. People will make fun of it for a day or two online, but it just doesn't matter.
- jdsully 7y agoI hate cases but Apple is making this less and less tenable over time. Not just the camera bump but also the lower quality glass they use on the screen that easily scratches now. I used to never have a problem up until about the iPhone 7
- ocdtrekkie 7y agoThis is a huge generalization. Close to half of Americans have iPhones, and most because you know, it has iMessage and their friends have iMessage, or you know, because iPhones are vastly more secure and have vastly better support than their competitors, or because they're meant to be simple/easy to use, etc. To say half of Americans are finicky and love aesthetics because there's no other reason anyone would buy one is a bit of a stretch. (I'm probably buying an iPhone this year for the first time ever, and I don't really care how it looks, or how good it's photos are, and I'm definitely putting a case on it.)
- DangerousPie 7y agoI watched the announcement really trying to find an excuse to upgrade. But to be honest there was not a single new feature that I really wanted and that my current iPhone 6S couldn't do. Pity.
- enraged_camel 7y agoIf you are “feature-shopping”, you may want to check out Android phones, which ship with lots of gimmicks (which they call “features”). Apple is for quality - which is why you are still happy with your 6S. ;)
- DangerousPie 7y agoYeah, problem is I want both features and quality. :) I am 100% sold on Apple devices in terms of quality, reliability and privacy issues. I don't think I'd buy an Android anytime soon. I just wish they had a few more exciting hardware features.
- rstupek 7y agoWhat kind of exciting features were you hoping for? What does Android phones have that is missing on iphones? Beyond 5G which isn't deployed widely yet
- DangerousPie 7y agoI wasn't really hoping for these since it was pretty clear they wouldn't be announced, but: TouchID sensor under the screen, getting rid of the notch, USB-C and 5G ... or something unexpected that's so innovative I couldn't have predicted it.
- crescentfresh 7y ago> TouchID sensor under the screen YES
- Flavius 7y agoThis is probably the least interesting new iPhone ever released.
- eddieh 7y agoI'm just happy they dropped the stupid 'X' nomenclature. Now they need to rename Xcode to Apple Code or something...
- ido 7y ago11 Code Pro & 11 Code Pro Max, according to precedence.
- Flavius 7y agoYeah, the X was confusing, but now the new iPhone 11 is not really the new iPhone 11. The iPhone 11 Pro is the new iPhone 11. Still confusing...
- wmf 7y agoThe argument has been made that the 11 is just as good as the flagship iPhones of the past but now they have another beyond-flagship model above that.
- wlesieutre 7y agoThey're changing the product positioning in the line so that the most popular model is now the "normal" one, and premium models are a step up from that. Honestly I like it better than giving the high end model the default branding with a worse model below it that most people will actually buy.
- johnnycab 7y agoIf you think that differentiating between three phones in the new range is confusing, you should keep far away from Xiaomi!
- sorum 7y agoThe X was roman numeral 10
- netfl0 7y agoNo real surprises but you have to give them credit for such consistent and focused execution. The consistency builds trust that if I use their digital services, they won’t just change their offerings on a whim.
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- vxNsr 7y agoDisappointed that there wasn't really a true breakout feature I guess they're still doing the s-cadence even if they got rid of the name. I'm still rocking a 6s and I'm gonna keep it for the next year I guess, more battery life is nice but can't swing $999 for 4 more hours of battery life. Here's hoping 128gb is standard next year (I currently have the 128gb 6s which was the most expensive at the time).
- egdod 7y agoI just swapped out the deteriorating battery on a 6s for one that has even more capacity than the stock battery did new. It may go up in flames or something next week, but for now it’s a huge upgrade.
- willis936 7y agoIf there’s “more capacity” in the same volume it is almost certainly a lie. And sellers that lie may cut corners in other areas. And lithium ion batteries can explode.
- danieldk 7y agoI also have an 6s. Haven't found much reason to upgrade. I like the smaller form factor. I guess upgrading to the 7 or 8 may be nice at some point for water resistance (a heavy rain shower killed my SE).
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- sschueller 7y agoSadly still missing USB-C
- nosmokearea 7y agoYeah, the entire world is using superior USB-C and charge smartphones directly from laptop cable. Apple users still carry adapters...
- nanoservices 7y agoAdapters to plugin in iPhones in to Mac Books... Its hilariously incompetent.
- stilldavid 7y agoDoes this cable not work to plug an iPhone into a macbook these days, or am I missing something? https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQGJ2AM/A/usb-c-to-lightning-cable-1-m https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQGJ2AM/A/usb-c-to-lightn...
- freehunter 7y agoSure it does, but it doesn't ship in the box. In the box is a USB-A -> Lightning cable.
- colejohnson66 7y agoNot every computer comes with USB C. Pretty much every computer though does come with USB A. And IIRC, male A to male C cables are not allowed per the spec
- cesarb 7y agoMale USB-A to male USB-C cables are allowed, what's not allowed is male or female USB-A or USB-B to female USB-C. That is, on a USB-C to legacy cable, the USB-C end is always male.
- whsheet 7y agoThis notch. Can't be unseen in 2019.
- rstupek 7y agoI have the X and can't say I ever notice the notch.
- thoughtpalette 7y agoI have to echo this comment. The Xs, never really notice it.
- vardump 7y agoReally wanted to like Apple's "notchy" phone as my next work phone... but that notch was just too much. Shame, rest of it seems pretty nice.
- pwinnski 7y agoThis notch is only seen by non-iPhone users. It disappears completely and immediately.
- nickthegreek 7y agoI am an iPhone user who refuses to upgrade from my 7+ until this silly notch business is removed. It does not "disappear completely and immediately", especially when viewing landscape mode video content.
- pwinnski 7y agoSorry, I was not specific enough. It's a "silly notch" to people who don't use an iPhone with the notch. If you never upgrade, it will remain a silly notch to you forever, while those who do upgrade find that it disappears completely and immediately, as I said. If you want to watch landscape video, a double tap switches between notched and non-notched views, so you can choose if you care. Most people don't after day one.
- hownowbrowncow 7y agoI'm quite sad they have removed 3D Touch from the phones. A minor feature I really enjoy with quick peeking — and bummed to lose that touch information for apps like Procreate Pocket and other drawing tools.
- cseelus 7y agoIs this confirmed yet? Would be sad indeed.
- Shank 7y agoThe Pro has "haptic touch" which is just the long press instead. See: https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/specs/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/specs/ Neither 11 nor 11 Pro have 3D Touch.
- tpmx 7y agoThey've probably kept the "long press action" for compat reasons? It's equally undiscoverable. I'm not super sad about this one; it was a weird thing from the beginning. It shouldn't have been introduced at all. This feature was introduced in 2014. The timing of the removal makes me think it's related to the departure of Jony Ives.
- TazeTSchnitzel 7y agoIt's difficult to reliably do one and not the other for some people, myself included.
- tpmx 7y agoExactly. I think I end up doing a long press any time I mean to do a "force press" anyway.
- TacticalTable 7y ago> The timing of the removal makes me think it's related to the departure of Jony Ives This has been in the pipeline for awhile. The XR already didn't have it, the SE didn't have it, and the iPad never had it. It's the type of feature that can't be truly great until it gets full support across the board, but that never really materialized.
- Zaheer 7y agoSince it's quite obscure from the product page. Starting prices: - iPhone 11: $699 (64GB) - iPhone 11 Pro: $999 (64GB) - iPhone 11 Pro Max: $1099 (64GB)
- coolspot 7y ago11 Pro 256GB - $1149 11 Pro 512GB - $1349 11 Pro Max 256GB - $1249 11 Pro Max 512GB - $1449
- ezequiel-garzon 7y agoHelpful! Completing the "budget" line... 11 128 GB - $749 11 256 GB - $849
- adossi 7y ago>11 Pro Max 512GB - $1449 For my fellow Canadians, this is $1,905 CAD before taxes, and about $2,152 after taxes. I think this is the first time I've seen a phone go over $2K, at least in my neck of the woods.
- colejohnson66 7y agoSamsung Galaxy Fold?
- jbverschoor 7y agoThat's less than I paid for my X 256
- chrisjc 7y ago$700 for the 11 is quite a good price for a phone that's going to last several years. The pixel 4 is going to have to come in at quite a good price to stop me from jumping ship to apple.
- jcranberry 7y agoThe iPhone 11 isn't actually shown in the link. It's the successor to the XR. It lacks the telephoto camera and the screen looks to be about the same. So if you liked the XR you'll like this one. https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/
- pcr910303 7y agoWhile I understand the need to make the camera more powerful (and it's one of the iPhone's truly outstanding capabilities), I just can't understand how Apple decided the design of iPhone 11. (not the Pro) Was that new camera system really needed in iPhone 11? It... well... just literally spoiled the design... I understand the need of iPhone 11 Pro's cameras... but really? the 11?
- alkonaut 7y agoMost people want a better camera in their next phone. These days it’s the thing that improves most between generations. Most people buy the XR/11 phone. So obviously the volume phone needs a camera upgrade too. I don’t think most buyers (even of Apple phones) care much about the esthetics and design of the thing.
- colechristensen 7y agoThat camera cluster gives me trypophobia vibes. I feel like some sort of robot insect monster is going to hatch and take over my brain. (and/or this iPhone is an infant robot overlord) Another iteration of "why bother" gadgets which is definitely cool but do we all really need one? I expect the fad to break in the next decade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypophobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypophobia
- vidoc 7y agoIt is reminding of the early 2000s razor blade wars, I think we are on for some fun!
- ianhawes 7y agoThis was my first thought, and then seeing multiple phones in the mockup didn't help. How did this get approved?
- greatlakes 7y agoSome studies show that as much as 16% of people experience some level of trypophobia... My spouse has it pretty bad and confirmed it triggers her. Even to me there's something a little disturbing about it.
- colechristensen 7y agoRight it makes me vaguely uneasy. On the other hand, I like the weirdness of it.
- Aaronstotle 7y agoReminds me of the brain bug from Starship Troopers
- r00fus 7y agoYou must hate the Nike+ watch bands... Apple seems to really like the circles.
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- bitL 7y agoStill notch... How long would I need to wait for another top-end notchless iPhone?
- sgt 7y agoI like to see it as the notch just being a big nice screen with additional screen rectangles added on each side. I don't think you find a lot of people who absolutely love the notch, but I like it now.
- freehunter 7y agoYeah I don't really see it as a notch that's intruding on the screen space but rather bonus screen real estate around the sensor cluster. There was never an iPhone that gave you the screen space the notch currently occupies, so it's not like anything was taken away when the notch was introduced.
- seppin 7y ago> I don't think you find a lot of people who absolutely love the notch, but I like it now. You will learn to love the design flaw. You will win the victory over yourself.
- theseanstewart 7y agoHopefully next year. I'm very happy with my 8+ and don't plan on upgrading until Apple gets rid of the notch and has a 128 GB base model. I could live with the 64 GB base model if they figure out how to bring back Touch ID.
- ohnope 7y agoIt’s not a notch. It’s a screen with 2 extensions at the top to show time and status icons. ;)
- baybal2 7y agoSo, the third camera now? Huawei had a model with one more camera for quite a while, and on my memory different "Uncle Liu Electronics" were making even five and six camera models. But honestly, that camera module count race is the most ridiculous number game in the industry, far outmatching the megahertz race, core count, and megapixels.
- markdown 7y agoThe quality of the 3-cam Huawei was unbelievable though.
- jghn 7y agoI had just convinced myself that I could probably deal with the size of the X and then they went and got rid of even that one in favor of something even larger as their smallest offering. Bleh
- ashi 7y agoThe iPhone X, XS, and 11 Pro are all the same size. They rebranded the awkward middle size from XR to just 11.
- jghn 7y agoOr at least almost the same size. It looks like the 11 Pro is slightly larger than the X, although thanks for pointing this out as I would not have otherwise guessed that.
- pilsetnieks 7y agoIt's plus 0.3 to 0.5 millimeters to each dimension. The diameter of human hair is about 0.05 to 0.1 mm.
- jghn 7y agoThe problem is that you're setting up a bit of a reverse Zeno's paradox. Every iteration gets the "oh, it's hardly noticeable", but at some point it will be. I already find the iPhone 8 to be larger than I'd like, but I've come to terms with the size. The X was noticeably larger than that to me, but I realized that I was going to deal with it. And now it's even larger.
- gnicholas 7y agoDisappointing that the base configuration of the iPhone 11 Pro has 64 GB of storage. If you're going to call it Pro and talk about how you can shoot professional video, you can't ship it with 64 GB of storage. EDIT: Also, they don't let you jump to 128 GB. You have to go to 256 GB, for $150 more. I can see why they didn't talk about this at the event. People would have booed.
- zherbert 7y agoWholeheartedly agree, especially when demoing the ability to film simultaneously on multiple cameras, and the 4K front-facing camera. The 64 GB is really a slap in the face.
- toasterlovin 7y agoMost buyers of these phones will not film simultaneously on multiple cameras. 64GB is for them. If you're going to use that particular feature, you're buying the largest capacity phone you can.
- arvinsim 7y ago> Most buyers of these phones will not film simultaneously on multiple cameras. They why buy the Pro? Why not just get the normal 11?
- toasterlovin 7y agoThe Pro has a bunch of other features besides filming simultaneously on multiple cameras.
- bitL 7y agoThat's just marketing to make sure you buy the more expensive models while base model appears to be somewhat reasonably priced. Usual marketing mindhack.
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- alienreborn 7y agoEssentially iPhone XS with Pixel camera updates.
- dddddaviddddd 7y agoBut three lenses
- bontaq 7y agoThis is pathetic. A company that has 200 billion dollars in the bank, and all they can do is this.
- hmate9 7y agoI’d love for them to make the same phone with an average camera for half the price. I want a smartphone that has a camera and not a camera that had a smartphone.
- pwinnski 7y agoJust for you: iPhone 8, $450.
- rogueSkib 7y agoThe framing as if a normal smart phone battery isn't supposed to last a day ... while enabling an unprecedented leap in battery life to easily get through the day
- mrguyorama 7y agoWait what? That's so Apple, take a standard feature, claim they pioneered/invented it, and then do it wrong. I purposely shop for big batteries (over 3500mAh) and my current phone lasts up to 2 days 15 hours on a single charge, and the previous one was similar when new
- pkrefta 7y agoYear after year of new iPhone's premieres I wonder for how long I'm going to use my iPhone SE - 3,5years has gone and nothing new for me on the horizon :( I don't care about missing jack, USB-C, cameras and other things - just make it smaller and it will fine by me.
- Nas808 7y agoI feel the same, I’ve had an SE since it launched. The devices released since then are just too big. I was hoping we would see something new in that form factor during today’s event.
- andreygrehov 7y agoThere were rumors that they are going to release the new SE in 2020.
- laktak 7y agoYes but if it is really based on the iPhone 8 size I'm not interested.
- 9999px 7y agoSame. Headphone jack, the internals of an iPhone 7, tiny form-factor, best design (IMO) – they can pry my iPhone SE out of my cold, dead hands.
- edlebert 7y agoI could be wrong, but I think it's the same internals of a 6S. I have a 6S and it still feels plenty capable.
- jaydouken 7y agoHow's the SE treating you in 2019? Trying to switch from Pixel to iPhone, but don't want to drop significant money until USB-C, which is rumored in 2020. Figured an SE might be good for me until then
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- pastor_elm 7y agoThe photos used an example don't even look that good. They look heavily photoshopped. If apple really thinks they can overprocess their way into professional photography, they've got another thing coming.
- noncoml 7y agoMeh... I'll wait for 2020 iPhones and the 5 cameras. 3 are barely cutting it.
- JAlexoid 7y agoI'll wait for my SpideyCam - 500 micro cams :D
- thinkling 7y ago"Cutting"... I see what you did there. https://www.theonion.com/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-1819584036 https://www.theonion.com/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-bla...
- SamuelAdams 7y agoIn 2040 there will be 60 cameras on the back of the phone! Or they'll break off the camera into a separate device: the iCamera and iCamera Pro! And now we've come full circle.
- Findeton 7y agoYou probably don't realise how true is your comment. Except it will probably be 600 camera sensors.
- bootlooped 7y agoWhat about 16? https://light.co/camera https://light.co/camera Too bad their product came out 5 years too late and $1000 too expensive. Smartphone cameras have gotten so good it's obsolete.
- noncoml 7y ago"~13 stops of dynamic range" Sony A7RIV has now 15 stops of dynamic range with a single sensor. The progress of camera sensors is amazing indeed
- meerita 7y agoI'm all in for the iPhone Pro but the smaller one with 256GB will be the expensive phone I will ever buy. It is really expensive in Europe, it will cost in Spain 1329€ ($1.467,36). Insane, yes, but I think this model is really worth the price.
- mceachen 7y agoCome on, Apple. 13mm, 26mm, and 52mm lenses? Have you even watched people use your phones? They always zoom in (like, 10x). A 3x optical would have been much nicer. 4x and I would have preordered.
- pkrefta 7y agoOptical zoom and thin form factor doesn't work together too well.
- evgenyp 7y agoHuawei P30 Pro uses a 'periscope' style design (using a mirror to put the lens alongside the phone's back instead of back-to-front) to get 5x optical zoom, so it can be done
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- etrautmann 7y agoI was surprised by this as well - the ultrawide certainly seems more niche than a 3x or 4x for better portraits, attempts at wildlife, etc.
- bayindirh 7y agoActually I'm a wide angle buff myself. 13mm is a very nice addition IMHO.
- nickgrosvenor 7y agoGuess I'm the only one that loves this new phone, because it's better in everyway, and I use my phone all day.
- Tomte 7y agoStop trying to make "slofie" happen.
- samgranieri 7y agohahaha
- dan-robertson 7y agoPerhaps one day they will add enough cameras to make the phone flat again.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoI'm impressed at the sheer number of bumps. Pretty much guaranteed to be resting your phone on a camera lens. I wonder if it'll actually sit flat on its back.
- masklinn 7y agoThey haven't been resting flat on their back since the iphone 6 introduced a camera bump.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoOh weird. Being in Android land I'm not used to camera bumps.
- fetus8 7y agoI feel like the best compromise would be to utilize the new, larger camera bump to add a slightly larger image sensor, even just 25-50% larger than the current sensors. I feel like it would make a noticeable improvement to the image quality, and justify the giant bump on the back of these devices.
- stilldavid 7y agoWith a larger sensor, wouldn't you need a longer lens to get the same effective focal length, making the bump protrude even more?
- nanoservices 7y agoI'd rather they make the back uniform thickness so the camera bump is eliminated. Take the extra space for a larger battery. No one is asking for thinner phones but quite a lot of people would love phones with better battery life.
- tunesmith 7y agoThat ability to record multiple video streams at the same time is the one game changer that jumped out to me. It doesn't matter to me, but a buddy of mine that podcasts and shoots video is about as thrilled as I've ever seen him on apple launch days.
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- suyash 7y agoDon't be fooled, that is just a feature you can get using any 3rd party app that gives you 2 camera feeds (front facing and rear facing) or write it yourself. For iOS: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2019/249/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2019/249/
- jl6 7y agoThis thread needs to lighten up. The 11 is an incremental improvement - is that so wrong? Who still upgrades their phone every year anyway? I bought my iPhone 8 two years ago thinking of it as a 5 year investment.
- noncoml 7y ago> I bought my iPhone 8 two years ago thinking of it as a 5 year investment. That's exactly what's wrong, that users don't feel compelled to upgrade. It's bad for business.
- acd10j 7y agoBut good for users. We will not generate too much electronic waste. Will save money and when finally when their is actually a time to upgrade due to actual hardware degradation, You can get nice bump in hardware spec.
- mike_d 7y agoVery little e-waste is generated by iPhone upgrades. Apple is using 100% recycled materials now, has a trade-in recycling program, and their is a robust resell market for older devices. I'd say the biggest e-waste offender right now is the server market. Enterprises are replacing entire data centers full of servers every 3-4 years because of depreciation and OPEX efficiency upgrades.
- q3k 7y ago> Apple is using 100% recycled materials now. For consumer devices? Very unlikely. Do you have a citation? > has a trade-in recycling program Just because you send something off to be recycled doesn't mean it actually ends up being recycled. It's much better off to not have to recycle in the first place at all (eg. by making your hardware easy to repair, which Apple is notoriously bad at).
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- DuskStar 7y agoDo they list the RAM capacity anywhere? It feels odd not to. (but then it's also a spec where Apple's been decisively beaten in the past, so it makes some sense not to show) I haven't been able to find it on either of the specs pages [0] [1]. 0: https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/specs/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/specs/ 1: https://www.apple.com/iphone-11/specs/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-11/specs/
- DangerousPie 7y agoWhy do you care? I have owned an iPhone for years and I don't even know how much RAM it has. It simply doesn't matter as long as the OS manages it well. Comparing RAM specs between different OS seems pretty pointless.
- jcranberry 7y agoIt can be annoying if you just want to switch between a small amount of apps or web pages without having to reload an app or a page every time. More RAM would remedy that on a normal computer. I don't know how iOS or Android handle that though.
- DangerousPie 7y agoSure, having too little RAM matters. But the number alone won't tell you whether it's enough since it depends so much on how the OS works. You may have a better experience with 2GB on iPhone than with 4GB on Android (for example, no idea if this is true).
- freehunter 7y agoComparing it to Android, sure. Comparing it to last year's iPhone though? That's a comparison that will tell you something.
- DuskStar 7y agoWhy does anyone care how many CPU cores, GPU shaders, or transistors the new iPhone has, then? Those shouldn't matter either if the OS manages things well, right? Comparing RAM between different mobile OSes is not particularly relevant, but then neither is raw CPU speed or graphics horsepower. Still, people do the latter all the time - and comparing to previous iPhones IS relevant.
- thanhps42 7y agoiPhone is sucks
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- geolgau 7y agoNever saw a more boring presentation in my life. Almost everybody looked like they wanted it to end. They almost ran off the stage the second they finished talking. And the crowd was bored too...
- hop 7y agoThe utra wide angle 13mm lens will be awesome to have, been waiting a long time for that. One more reason not to carry a dslr.
- Exuma 7y agoBecause it blows my mind that apple doesn't have a working video on their site....... nay, TWO non-working videos, the keynote and the short film. Heres the short film on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEemOmHw9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEemOmHw9Y
- ihuman 7y agoThe iPhone 11 [0] and iPhone 11 Pro [1] pages have the short films [0] https://www.apple.com/iphone-11/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-11/ [1] https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/ https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/
- Exuma 7y agoI know, at the time I posted that neither worked. The keynote said "video unavailable" and the short demo died about 1 minute in. No amount of refreshing or scrubbing would get it to play past that mark.
- bluedevil2k 7y agoThey should have shoved a 5G chip in the Pro Max, give people an "I need that" reason to upgrade their existing phones.
- endorphone 7y agoThese sorts of threads appear for every announcement. I chuckled seeing another user claim that it wasn't exciting because they didn't have something like Animojis to announce, that feature being a desperate "please try to buy this phone we're trying to justify this awkward face unlock thing". It's an incremental update that also brings huge new features to the "low priced" version. And it'll do great.
- dmix 7y agoYep, cell phones have reached peak feature-dom and this iPhone X style design is excellent. We don't need new fancy bells attached to it just for the sake of it. Just make it incrementally better and faster, without messing up what was good about it previously.
- bredren 7y agoI agree the product is in polishing stage, improving existing ideas and features rather than introducing new ones. The focus internally is on the next leap forward, presumably an AR device. If you go back and look at the iPod release history [1] between 2005 and 2007, (first iPhone released June '07) you can see a similar incremental improvements, specifically in software enhancements, improved form factor and longer battery life. I believe the difference between then and now is that the Watch and iPhone are production testing grounds for hardware that will be used in an AR product. In this way the new product is being developed in the open. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Classic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Classic
- derefr 7y agoJust for the sake of it, no. For the sake of Apple continuing to have some differentiating feature to get people to line up to purchase in a way that keeps the iPhone trendy, yes. Otherwise it's just like any of the other 5000 smartphone models coming out each year, and then Apple's stock goes down.
- neogodless 7y agoIt's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing research information on how the "Pro" marketing term is received by their target consumers. All that being said, I personally have never bought from Apple, and think the $150 upgrade cost is ridiculous (not to mention the $300 jump from the XR, which is still $300 more than I paid for my Pixel)! So I could say the "Pro" marketing isn't working on me! But overall, they aren't hurting for customers.
- askl56 7y agoWhilst I agree with your premise, the problem is that they explicitly made the distinction that this was for professionals. I can't remember the precise verbiage but when Cook introduced it he said that this was by and for professionals.
- heavymark 7y agoWell they specifically said it’s Pro users... and for everyone else who wants the best of what Apple has to offer. They could certainly remove the 64gb entry option and thus increase the base price but then everyone who only needs 64gb is paying more for a feature they don’t need or want. Rather Apple usually waits until part prices make it so they can both reduce the price and this remove the previous entry model which one can assume will happen in a few years.
- gowld 7y agoInstgram influencers are professionals in their particular niche.
- jimbokun 7y ago"Pro" has been pretty useful, I think, as a marker in Apple's other product lines. "MacBook Pro" and "iPad Pro" are the ones you buy if you need it for work, because the increased price will pay for itself with increased productivity. But buy the "Air" or basic versions if you are primarily using it for more basic tasks and media consumption. Not sure the "Pro" distinction will hold up for iPhone, though. I guess it depends if Pro Photographers actually will give up their "Pro" cameras for an iPhone 11 Pro. And I can't think of any other profession where the iPhone Pro will "pay for itself" in productivity increases relative to other iPhones.
- seyf4n 7y agoWell those stuff are greattt
- killion 7y agoI'm not looking forward to setting an alarm for 5 am on Friday. I understand those on edt didn't like a 3 am time but it seems that there could have been a different compromise. Like 8 am pdt. Is that so they can say everything is sold out before the morning news cycle?
- patientplatypus 7y agoWill the three cameras allow taking pictures with weird 3D or color effects? IE take a picture with all three of the cameras and interlace them to get trinocular vision or make RGB filters (red on camera 1 etc). You could even do it in video maybe? That would be cool. I mostly dont care about a bigger screen or better battery.
- pwinnski 7y agoThe FiLMiC Pro demo showed that apps have access to all four camera simultaneously at some frame rate or another, so such a thing might be possible. Matching the images would be tricky, given that all three rear lenses have different focal lengths.
- jimbob45 7y agoI'll never buy another iPhone without the analog Home button. Having a hardwired "I'm stupid" button makes me feel safe. Keeping it in software means that, when my phone inevitably slows down or crashes, I have no recourse but to wait for the phone to be responsive again. I know they do it to keep the repair costs down and I appreciate that but the analog button is just that important to me.
- dlbucci 7y agoI dunno, the home button on my first ipod touch (1G) broke, which basically killed that device for me. Meanwhile, I've been on Android for a long time now, and the on-screen home button has never really been an issue like I thought it might. After all, slow software can ignore a hardware input, too.
- Exuma 7y agoEveryone ssys this but this has never once happened... not a single time.
- pwinnski 7y agoJust for you: iPhone 8, $450.
- ihuman 7y agoTechnically, that doesn't have an analog home button. Its a non-moving pressure sensor that uses the taptic engine to feel like your pressing a button.
- tcmb 7y agoA hardware button still doesn't help if the software is not responding, does it? What else should a hardware home button do, than to cause some change in the software?
- ghobs91 7y agoThe incredibly dull pace of innovation coming out of Apple lately is the logical result of a supply chain expert becoming the CEO.
- hos234 7y agoI would agree if there was something radical from others. It's all been incremental from everyone ever since the iPhone 4. So it's not a CEO thing. There really isn't any new feature that the masses need from these devices anymore. That said, as you can see from the thunderous applause after every sentence in that auditorium, the herd laps up dull shit.
- ghobs91 7y agoThe least they could do is have a V1 of their smart glasses ready by this event. Several startups have managed to create ones, why hasn't Apple?
- switch007 7y agoThere aren't many things from Android I miss: can I cancel the upcoming alarm yet?
- bradenb 7y agoHonestly I was hoping that the leaked images were somehow very wrong. I hate the look of the back of the phone now. Who thought a rectangular module with a triangle of circular cameras would look good? It doesn't. It looks terrible.
- CDSlice 7y agoMe? I personally like the design, it looks futuristic to me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
- bradenb 7y agoWell that’s good. Maybe it’ll grow on me, or maybe I’ll find the feature set just makes me not care. I just love the look of my X so this feels like a visual downgrade.
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- droithomme 7y agoHm, so the crazy ugly weird lens thing was exactly as all the naysayers predicted and were called fake leakers for their trouble. Exactly. So it was a legitimate leak.
- cm2187 7y agoThese smartphones are increasingly looking like a spider with all these lenses...
- noncoml 7y agoSo now we have a camera bump on top of the camera bump? No wonder Ivy resigned!
- jandrese 7y agoUnless you're actually planning to shoot a movie on it there doesn't seem to be a lot of need for the Pro. I guess if you really want more battery life it may be worth it, but I'm thinking almost everybody is going to go with the 11 and its already probably overkill cameras. There's just not much to justify spending the extra hundreds of dollars on the Pro model.
- carbocation 7y agoThe way they describe the battery life seems a bit confusing. They compare the 11 to the XR and the 11 Pro to the XS. However, the 11 and the 11 Pro get similar battery life to one another. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KKqkrcl8NU55-DAoDHEw6daYXb1oM21SS9bvk5zcYKM https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KKqkrcl8NU55-DAoDHEw...
- tannhaeuser 7y agoI only hope they keep the iPhone 6s/7/8 form factor. I've just bought a 6s the other month and enjoy its compactness and adequateness after my state-of-the-art, super-heavy Samsung S8 turned out not robust and mobile enough for my use :(
- moonbug 7y agoalways wanted a phone with an electric razor.
- nsporillo 7y agoAnyone know if the new iPhones will be using Intel or Qualcomm for their wireless? I've had some issues with the iPhone XS where it shows full coverage but data stops transmitting intermittently.
- RubberShoes 7y agoMost likely Qualcomm after the settlement, Intel’s exit and issues plaguing current Intel modems in iPhones
- xeroaura 7y agoRumors (before today) said Intel for this generation (since they were manufacturing before Intel dropped their modems). https://9to5mac.com/2019/04/25/2019-iphones-intel/ https://9to5mac.com/2019/04/25/2019-iphones-intel/ Glad I waited for the unlocked X with Qualcomm instead of getting the Tmobile Intel version that year.
- isostatic 7y agoNo 3.5mm jack? I'll stick with my SE thanks.
- BryanAlippi 7y agoThe best in the world
- preek 7y agoMy browser has a count of 124 "PRO"s in the article[1], yet I gave up finding any information on how to earn money with an iPhone. I thought that's what professionals are supposed to do/be. I think that's also what the original Macbook Pros were about. Seems to me that the semantics behind the word is changing. Don't know what it is supposed to mean now, though. Of course it is the best iPhone ever made. It's the most recent one. And even though that should be clear from the get go, they have always made that part clear in the all the keynotes before without having to add a 'pro' into what already is a weird statement. NB: I'm a happy iPhone user since the 3GS and currently have an iPhone X. 1. http://screenshots.200ok.ch/screenshot_2019_09_10-2495e490.png http://screenshots.200ok.ch/screenshot_2019_09_10-2495e490.p...
- Stevvo 7y agoI figure they went with "Pro" because it makes it clear which is the top model; With Xs/Xr you can't tell without looking it up.
- preek 7y agoCase in point: I have the more expensive X (because it is less big as the only reason) and I don’t know which model that is. First time I didn’t know what to buy in the store and probably my only tech gadget that I don’t even know the name of.
- nicky0 7y agoIn Apple land Pro simply means the best one. Get used to it.
- nofunsir 7y agoSome of those are imPROvements and PROvides. Search for whole words gives 69. Still.
- RubberShoes 7y agoApple knew it back in 2017 and as each year progresses it’s becoming increasingly clear we have exited the innovation phase and are well into the saturated/sustained phone market. We will never see an iPhone announcement quite like the first 5 and the X. Short of a form factor change, our phones will last longer and the new phone feature list will decrease year over year. Also - the Pros are thicker, heavier, and slightly taller and wider than the X and XS. Couple months ago someone linked to an article on how much bigger iPhones are getting and this year continued that trend.
- TheRealDunkirk 7y agoPeople have complained for years about battery life. So Apple finally increases the battery slightly, and now I see people complaining about the weight. I understand now why Apple has resisted this for so long. All Apple phones are too thin, too slippery, and too light. I want my Treo back! At least give me the curved 3GS again.
- RubberShoes 7y agoI’m not complaining. If anything, I think Apple has actually listened to all the complaints of battery life and reacted in a rather significant way. For example, the SoC discussion today highlighted the extensive work done to race to 0 and how significant that affects the Pro’s battery life. Each generation gets thicker, and in return we’re seeing some of the best battery life ever. These phones will last for years I dont think anyone investing >$700 in these has an issue with that
- RandallBrown 7y agoApple has increased battery life every year since the original was released haven't they? This year is a 4 hour increase, which is actually pretty huge.
- doitLP 7y agoIn theory, sure. But it’s a fact that every time I upgrade my battery life is thrashed. I end up paying for new batteries and I barely last through the day.
- pzo 7y agoSeems like they are still shipping $1k phone with USB 2.0 transfer speed. I don't mind lightning connector (though usb-c would be nice) but this transfer speed is so disappointing. Even Samsung galaxy s5 note (5 generations back) already had that.
- randyrand 7y agoIf all you care about is transfer speed Wifi 6 should at least beat USB 2.0. About 85 MB/s in practice but can theoretically do even more than that. It's still way too slow for 2019 IMO. https://nasilemaktech.com/wifi-6-speed-test/ https://nasilemaktech.com/wifi-6-speed-test/
- drinchev 7y agoJeez. Since the last 3 years I re-watch the iPhone 7's keynote and I can say that my phone ( 7 ) is awesome and I can do such an amazing photos... However I haven't done so and I just use it to take a photo of a document to scan it or some stupid poster that I've seen in the subway.
- summerlight 7y agoLots of people disappointed in the new iPhone. The reason I see is simple; Apple has long been outsourced a large fraction of its hardware innovation capabilities to other companies rather than having a full vertical ownership of the production line, unlike its competitors (Samsung, Huawei, etc). This works very well when most of the required technologies are already there for bringing their idea to the reality so Apple doesn't have to push the state of the art for the manufacturing technologies. Multi-touch, Retina Display, Apple designed SoC were all good examples where this strategy worked out very well. The trouble is that now most of the low hanging fruits are gone and the rest of innovation opportunities lie within the manufacturer side and require non-trivial investments. For instance, getting rid of notch requires camera under screen technology. This is being developed by Samsung, their competitor. The same thing applies to fingerprint sensor under screen. While all the competitors are shipping 5G in their flagships, iPhone 11 couldn't ship 5G due to their hard dependency on Qualcomm. In short, the current landscape doesn't allow Apple to keep itself on the bleeding edge in the smartphone business. I'm curious about how Apple will address this problem. Disappointingly, I haven't seen any positive signal to indicate that Apple has a good plan to address this issue. It first tried a high-price, even-more-premium strategy and this turned out to be a disastrous one. Apple now tries to expand into the services business and chooses to be a competitor to its own ecosystem by exercising its dominant position. I'm pretty sure that this plan will work very well, maybe too well sufficient to de-prioritize the iPhone business just enough to keep its marketshare around 3~40% and make no more commitments. I hope I'm wrong.
- enos_feedler 7y agoThere will always be lots of people disappointed in the iPhone. We will only know the magnitude of disappointment once financials are posted. Speaking of which, R&D spend shows they are making non-trivial investments. Apple secrecy is what keeps you and I seeing the R&D results before they are ready. "Signals" is not something Apple likes to give, which is probably why you aren't seeing any. I would argue that hardware+software integration is more important than 5G, underscreen fingerprint, or notchless design combined. Apple is the leader in deep integration across hardware and software. Services is just an extension of having a default out of the box experience for the most important experiences on an iPhone. Nothing new here. First it was "notes", "calculator", "stocks", etc. Now they are moving up the services stack to movies, gaming, etc. Next it will be Uber / delivery via Project Titan.
- peignoir 7y agoMeh, the pixel seems more interesting (although google is terrible for privacy) the only good news is on the better battery / also I think they killed 3D Touch no?
- neom 7y agoWent to college in 2002 as the first cohort through a newly created "digital imaging technology" program. I failed an assignment because I wrote about how SSD would become standard over HDD, something "incredibly unlikely" - I wonder how my professors feel today.
- geekandi 7y agoSeems weird to me that they would offer 64GB as base, then only 256GB and 512GB. IF this is for professionals shouldn't they have had a 1TB version? Or larger?
- outside1234 7y agoSerious question: Why would anyone buy the Pro when you can get the iPhone 11 itself for $300 cheaper?
- bufferoverflow 7y agoBecause the Pro version has much better specs. iPhone 11 isn't even full HD. It's not wide gamut. No telephoto camera.
- gigatexal 7y agoThe event was meh for me for the phones. Though I’m due for an upgrade and will likely get the 256GB 11 Pro Max (what a stupid name). The series 5 watch looks awesome. I think I’m in for one as I’m still on a working (all day battery) first gen - day one Apple Watch Sport edition. I’m most excited about the 16inch MacBook with a new keyboard as my mid 2013 MacBook Pro 15inch laptop is really showing its age. Apple really nailed the pricing of Apple TV+ at 4.99 though. That’s a fair price. Apple Arcade will need to have some really cool games but it at 4.99 too is really nice.
- willis936 7y agoFeeling the same about the 256GB 11 pro max. The 6S is getting long in the tooth and my phone is the single most used device I have. If I can swallow a $1300 laptop upgrade every 4 years then I can do the same for my phone.
- gigatexal 7y agoYeah. In all honesty I could keep my iPhone X for years to come but I’m super curious about the new ones.
- jjtheblunt 7y agoI wonder if there is a correlation between not having taken integral calculus and complaints that incremental changes go nowhere. (Not being sarcastic, just thought of it, watching complaints online)
- JTon 7y agoIdk. Here's my interpretation: People are complaining because their expectations are high and they want Apple to excite them. It doesn't have to do with assigning value to incremental improvements at all. As as aside, I think you'll find people who've taken calculus will more likely be the ones quibbling and complaining. High standards, attention to detail, yadda yadda.
- graeme 7y agoAny official word on RAM? That's the biggest constraint on my iphone 8.
- dzonga 7y agowhat's the point of all these powerful mobile devices, when I can't have 3rd browser engines that I can customize via extensions. safari on iOS is the equivalent of IE on windows
- jlarocco 7y agoI'm holding out for next year's "iPhone 12 Pro Max Fusion Extreme". Besides the goofy name, these are pretty underwhelming.
- hcarvalhoalves 7y ago"Pro Max" is not a qualifier I would expect in an Apple product.
- IkmoIkmo 7y agoI'm wondering... does this mean that the Pro has more battery life again than the XR, or now roughly equal? Xr had about 2-3 hours more than the Xs I think. But the Pro now leaps by 4 vs Xs, and the 11 leaps by 1 vs Xr... So it should be about equal, perhaps Pro doing better, and the Pro Max def doing better (and should have quite insane battery life).
- rajacombinator 7y agoIt’s game over for Apple. No innovation, only rampant MBA types. Failing phone and laptop product lines. Chinese phones are BTFOing them hard. No 3rd coming of Steve to save them. It was a nice run.
- Zelphyr 7y agoFor the first time ever I feel like I just wasted my time watching an Apple product announcement. I'm not saying those products are bad or are poorly engineered or anything like that. I'm just saying the products they showed off today aren't anything I would want. I have an iPhone 7 Plus and comparing it to the iPhone 11 versions I don't see anything in the latter that I'd upgrade for. The best I could come up with would maybe be the watch but that's only because I have a Series 1 that is probably on its last legs. If I'm being honest, however, when the Series 1 goes I'll probably go back to my $30 Timex. $5/mo for Arcade and TV+ each is a great price but then again, at least for the latter, I'd be paying a little over a third of the price of Netflix for a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the content. Sure they'll be adding more but nothing they have now really gets me excited to watch. I used to so look forward to product announcements because it was like being a kid again. Looking through the Christmas catalog at all the things I'd love to have. Imagining how my life might be better "if I just had that new iPhone!" Now? Meh. I'm genuinely sad. I feel like it's the end of a very long era.
- qaq 7y agoThey need some fresh blood in the C ranks. The presenters themselves don't look like they themselves are actually excited about things they are presenting.
- rhizome 7y agoI suspect their strategy of rolling out a different speaker every 10 sentences might be an attempt at scouting for execs who can excite an audience. To whatever degree Apple is exciting anymore, that is.
- Zelphyr 7y agoIt doesn't help that they have clearly filled the audience with Apple employees who were instructed to whoop and holler and when to do it. I understand the motivations for doing so. A product announcement like this would otherwise be attended by a majority surly journalists, too busy taking notes to exhibit much excitement. But at this point, the whooping and hollering come across as extremely fake--too much so for a company like Apple, in my opinion. I think I'd rather the employees just clap. At least during WWDC there are genuine fans in the audience.
- keyle 7y agoAnyone else, from an industrial design standpoint, think the triple-camera nonsense is revolting to look at?
- paggle 7y agoWhere is the new and wacky stuff that Apple is working on? Facebook has Oculus VR and those weird solar powered airplanes providing Internet access in rural countries. Google has its self driving cars. Where's Apple's research project?
- Razengan 7y agoI have purchased an iPhone every year since the 5. The XS was the first time I regretted it. It's not bad by any means, but there really wasn't much of a change from the X (which I loved), except for the dual SIM feature. I may upgrade my Series 4 Watch to the Series 5, but I don't feel excited for the iPhone 11 Pro, and find that enormous camera module ugly, though the camera features are tempting. Since the XS I've felt that Apple should switch to a biennial schedule, with new hardware every other year, while increasing the frequency of minor OS updates. If they had XS was skipped then the 11 would have been a more exciting release. I feel smartphone tech in general has reached a plateau.
- grapehut 7y agoYou don't really need them to release every 2-years for you to buy every second year.
- debaserab2 7y ago"My phone is so much better than yours I bedazzled it with cameras"
- jhatemyjob 7y agoTrash.
- moltar 7y agoThe name is so silly I truly believe they are going all in on Asian market.
- torgian 7y agoStill no tiny phone with a 4" screen. Guess I keep using my iPhone 6.
- EGreg 7y agoI want a small iPhone, been waiting since the SE There are tons of people waiting. Maybe they can do same as last time and release it in January! Until then... I am disappointed in you, Apple! First you said the iPhone 4 was the perfect size. Then the 5 was taller and you said THAT was the perfect size. What happened to that! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99m7lebirE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99m7lebirE Oh yeah what happened was you copied Microsoft phone's flat look and you copied the large phones and forgot about what you said. Just like you did with touting the PowerPC RISC set and then switching to Intel. Oh well. I like Apple anyway :) PS: The Apple SE is like the Cadillac Ciel. They tease people, everyone loves it, but they never release it, to their own detriment!
- kovek 7y agoAwesome announcement. They should release a ring that helps you control the volume, play, pause, and scroll when reading a page or book!
- codefreakxff 7y agoComments here are missing one point. The very first thing the page says is “a new pro line for iPhone that delivers advanced performance for users who want the very best smartphone”. This is not meant to appeal to the mass market. It’s to silence critics that the competition is faster, has a better camera, longer battery, etc. It’s true, this phone is not innovative and they pretty much say that. I’m curious what would be innovative in a phone now, as opposed to incremental.
- Moeg 7y agoHad to triple check what site the article is on, the level of writing shrank my brain five fold, the amount of repetition and general lack of information is just too much.
- Karupan 7y agoI was REALLY looking forward to the iPhone 11 Pro, but at AUD 1999, it’s beyond expensive for me. And I say this as someone who’s owned four iPhones and currently on an iPhone 7 Plus. The product line is also confusing. There is no longer a iPhone 6/7/8 equivalent. And no, the 11/XR doesn’t count mainly because of the size. I’d have stuck with my current phone if not for terrible cellular connectivity on the crappy intel modem. Oh well, hope the rumoured SE2 comes out early next year, else it’s time for me to jump ships.
- rdruxn 7y agoThe iPhone 8 is still included in their line up
- fyfy18 7y agoAs a European I feel the same. Even €839 for the base model is going to be too expensive for most people. It seems like they are really trying to carve out a new luxury market for their devices, the equivalent of luxury car brands like Mercedes. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but I struggle to see how this will play out long term for their ecosystem. It's not the same as cars or Android, where there are other manufacturers with budget models. And before anyone mentions it, no, continuing to sell the iPhone 8 doesn't count. It's still a €500 phone. Compare that to Xiaomi Redmi and Samsung A and J models which you can get for under €200.
- Hasz 7y agoThese threads always seem to miss the point. It's not about the specs, it never was, and never will be. Apple builds, or at least tries to build, seamless experiences. It's the reason there's limited hardware, excellent software support for past versions, and a creeping product line to extend to every device you come into contact with. The demos showcase cool specs and features, but that is not where the value lies -- it lies in integration, cohesive experience and vendor lockin. They're pushing out decent new revisions of the phone, but the creative push is going at integration(or should be!). If I was Apple, I'd be aggressively funding R&D, building out a low cost, separate brand (to funnel India, Africa, into Apple devices over the next ~30 years), and spending everything else on beautiful, perfect integration, and maybe fixing up the Mac line. Sell the privacy aspect hard, sell the integration even harder, and no competitor will ever unseat you.
- sumedh 7y ago> building out a low cost, separate brand That is just not in Apple's DNA.
- Hasz 7y agoHence the separate brand. Lexus to Toyota, Infiniti to Nissan, Acura to Honda, Porsche to VW.
- leadingthenet 7y agoBut those went the other way around.
- IanDrake 7y agoProbably the worst written press release from Apple that I can recall. Pro this, pro that, it sounds like some low end brand trying hard to make their new middling product sound amazing.
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- shosko 7y agoWho really needs this phone over an iPhone XS? I'm trying to understand, besides those who want the latest product, who this product is appealing to.
- zoom6628 7y agoI love the SE because it has style, unlike every other later iPhone. I stopped using it because system font size of 9.3pt is too small to read without glasses. Apart from being unreadable it was great for form factor, battery life. Apple is now in classic enterprise survival mode churning out incremental stuff. Their innovation is in hardware - i really long for them to bring some innovation to the user experience. That said peeps should not reach too much into comments by HN folks about not liking ifobs....those devices are built for teenagers and people who want something that "just works". They dont want to mess with stuff under the hood and that is why iPhone and IOS now is as exciting as a bar of soap. Android on the other hand is a playground for folks who like to tinker, myself included. Apple have nailed their market with perfection. I just hope that some people inside of Apple are working on something truly innovative for the future. And onto why they canned the SE..... The supply chain overhead of carrying and manufacturing a device which uses different tech is enormous. It can be almost as much as a seperate line of business - and that applies to not only Apple but also its component suppliers. If the business isnt big enough then it should be cut at some point. Given the FOMO around consumers using Apple and its software the SE became a niche device. It can have the 8/X/11 innards shoehorned in - everything, and my everything would need to be redesigned from scratch and one can imagine the cost of doing that and bringing to market. So i understand Apple's move from a commercial point of view. Very sad to see the brand axing the ONLY mobile product that had some sense of style and uniquess. The iFobs they now make are just boring. I much prefer Xiaomi because i get more phone for 20% of the price.
- joegahona 7y agoI'm disappointed that Apple has succumbed to dark patterns in its advertised pricing over the past year or so: > iPhone 11 is coming. > From $16.62/mo. per month or $399 with trade-in* Pre-order yours starting at 5:00 a.m. PDT on 9.13.
- cassianomon 7y agoThat's a very bad name for a top line product
- myrandomcomment 7y agoSo I am so disinterested that I cannot even be troubled to go and look at the specs. There is nothing in any of the headlines, etc. that even drives me to look. No reason to upgrade from my 2017 iPhoneX. I used to enjoy this stuff. All I want is an iPhone 5 form-factor with all screen and FaceID. Smaller is better.
- gnicholas 7y agoThere are rumors of an SE refresh next spring, and I would love if they did what you suggest. But I’m fairly certain that they won’t kill the notch on the SE before they do so on their flagship phones. Perhaps it would be a 2020 SE refresh feature? Until then, there’s be a big ugly notch on a fairly small face.
- myrandomcomment 7y agoHeck, the notch does not bug me. Just give me an X in the 5/SE size and I would be set!
- lncan 7y agoFrom perspective, both they are good smartphone now. But there are no impressive thing convincing me to buy its. In addition, the high price is one of the reasons to prevent me to buy its. If you are using iPhone 7, iPhone 7 plus or previous generation iPhones, it's good upgrade. I'm still wait for next generation iPhone, i guess it's major upgrade in both design and feature from Apple for iPhone .
- kasperset 7y agoI notice the iPhone is getting heavier. iPhone X 174 grams, iPhone XS 177 grams, iPhone 11 Pro 188 grams. The Max line is even heavier as expected. I wish they could make it lighter.
- kumarvvr 7y agoIs it just me or does the 3 camera design look disgusting? The design is plain ugly. I love apple for their thoughtful and aesthetic design, but I feel Steve Jobs would not have approved that square 3 camera design. I am getting the feeling that Johnny Ive left the company over disagreement with such decisions.
- toomim 7y agoIt looks like a spider's creepy compound eye.
- steveisdead 7y agohttp://steveisdead.net http://steveisdead.net
- ChuckMcM 7y agoA13 seems like a nice step up from the A12. Can't wait for the refreshed iPad Pro using it.
- nikofeyn 7y agoi am sick and tired of hearing apple claim "best", "first-ever", "most advanced", etc. in all their marketing. it's all unfounded, usually even false, and always misleading. there were smartphones last year that had the three-camera system (lg v40, which has more features in general as well). big deal. for the most cringe-inducing experience of this, go read apple's marketing/product page for their new credit card. they act as if they've invented plastic for the first time.
- sixothree 7y agoI remember Apple reps appearing at user groups in the days of power pc talking about how it didn't have the Mhz but it was more powerful than intel. People loved it and ate it up.
- garysahota93 7y agoIf it wasn't for iMessage, I wouldn't even be using an iPhone...
- Abishek_Muthian 7y agoSmartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos are shared would compress them anyways making them all nearly identical. Better frame rates is the only thing which makes a difference. Case in point : MKBHD made a blind test last year and low cost smartphone Mi Pocophone which scored pathetic camera performance in individual reviews came out top in the blind test. So, the subscription services are the new lifeline for the hardware manufacturers; included free subscription should add some value to the new customers and if the SW services work; may be compensate for diminishing hardware sales.
- jayd16 7y agoI find is pretty silly to say smartphone hardware is done when Apple is still sporting a notch.
- rutierut 7y agoI get what you are saying but that would still be a pretty incremental update right? It wouldn't make the phone significantly more usable, really only a bit prettier. I think the point here is that the recent "big" features are all pretty minor things like 60fps screens etcetera, they are really nice but nowhere near as important as the new things we used to have every generation.
- dvfjsdhgfv 7y agoThe parent is exaggerating but really, 90% of spotlight on these models is the new camera system but Huawei &co. was offering similar features for a long time.
- moksly 7y agoI think the notch is a lot less annoying than the weight. Maybe I have small weak hands, but I feel a physical strain from using my iPhone XS. Unfortunately you can’t seem to buy a new SE around here.
- srnaveed 7y agoApple should also make an slot for an external storage like SD card. This will allow the use to transfer or copy the date across multiple devices easily.
- megla_ 7y agocould it be any more boring
- astannard 7y agoGone is the excitement where I would stalk the rumor sites and live stream the announcement. All I hear is better camera, faster chip ZZZZZzzzzzz
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- manigandham 7y agoUnfortunately, no matter how fast the hardware gets, the iOS UX is the limiting factor and just as slow as years ago because of the useless UI animations and clutter that do nothing but waste time. Much of the UX isn't even interactive until the animation loop is finished which makes it tedious to use quickly. It's like using a superfast desktop but limiting your mouse clicks to one every 5 seconds.
- cromulent 7y agoA week ago we discussed Om Malik's article "Camera sales are falling sharply". I am one of those people who now does not upgrade his camera, nor use it any more, as much as I like it. I use my smartphone, albeit with some aftermarket Moment wide- and fish-eye lenses on it. This phone makes total sense to me. The money I used to spend on cameras and lenses will be captured by the smartphone companies. https://om.co/2019/09/03/camera-sales-are-falling-sharply/ https://om.co/2019/09/03/camera-sales-are-falling-sharply/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20875544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20875544
- kayoone 7y agoWell, for the casual user i agree, but wasn't that the case for a long time already? If you try shooting something that is quite far away or lightning conditions not optimal, a proper camera is still on a different level than any smartphone camera.
- cromulent 7y agoAbsolutely, a real camera is on a different level. Photography is so pervasive now, so much a part of everyday life. For the casual to low level enthusiast, carrying a "Pro" smartphone is good enough and more convenient. Computational photography is also a thing. The iPhones 11 are on the front page of DPReview, which is interesting.
- donedealomg 7y agoHours and years of talk and when they do research all what people really want is longer battery life. People miss the days where they charged their phone every 3 to 5 days.
- sgjohnson 7y agoI’m skipping this generation too and sticking with my X. I want a larger screen, but I’m not paying £1.3k just for a larger screen. Triple lens camera? I don’t care. A13 bionic? Don’t care either. WiFi 6? Nice to have, but I don’t have a WiFi 6 router and I don’t need that bandwidth on my phone, so... I don’t care about that either.
- noneckbeard 7y agoDoes everyone here also drive a base model Honda Civic because “car hardware is done”? This is a luxury product and people upgrade because it’s fun and feels great to have the fastest phone and fanciest camera. It’s not that big a deal, and it’s definitely not a ripoff.
- skrause 7y ago> Does everyone here also drive a base model Honda Civic because “car hardware is done”? Well, I do (although it's a base model Hyundai). I also still use an iPhone SE and will do for the foreseeable future.
- steelframe 7y ago> Well, I do (although it's a base model Hyundai). I also still use an iPhone SE and will do for the foreseeable future. I consider myself to have been "tricked by business" (as Macklemore would put it) when I bought a Tesla Model X in 2016. It replaced a 2014 LEAF, and I can honestly say that I regretted it and wished I had kept the LEAF. The difference in cost didn't make up for the difference in overall driving experience and utility for me. I've since traded in the Tesla for cheaper PHEV, and I'm much happier with that now. I also am still using a Pixel 2. Nothing about anything else on the market today seems compelling enough to convince me to replace it. So I guess I'm joining a chorus on this thread.
- avl999 7y ago> fastest phone Are folks running ML training algorithms on their phones? Why does one need the "fastest phone"? How many apps are there for which how fast your phone is even matters? I am not saying people shouldn't buy these phones but the pricing on these things is absolutely insane, it seems people are basically paying an Apple tax on these devices. Even high end devices from other manufacturers are not priced this crazy.
- mbel 7y agoThe key app that needs the "fastest phone" these days seems to be the web browser.
- aguzzi94 7y agoFormer Apple Store employee here! You would be surprised by how people become blind from all the smokes and mirrors of the Apple branding and advertisement. I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to switch the XR for an XSmax adding 400 euros more or less. This gentleman was so brainwashed into FOMO by Apple that threw 1000+ euros out of the window. One other time, there was another gentleman that clearly couldn't afford an iPhone X. He was so torn when deciding if to buy or not. I tried to give him hints that it was better if he let go of it ("maybe wait next year, your iPhone 5 is still doing the job"), but no, in the end he decided to go for it and we tried to do a 6 months payment plan. His card got rejected. Then we tried with a 10 months payment plan. Rejected. Then we tried with 20 months one. Finally, accepted. He wasn't even happy about that. Was probably thinking about what he was going to have to renounce for that iPhone. I tell you, the whole process was physically painful.
- coldtea 7y ago>I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to switch the XR for an XSmax adding 400 euros more or less. This gentleman was so brainwashed into FOMO by Apple that threw 1000+ euros out of the window. Sounds like quite orthogonal to Apple, and relevant to personal issues the single anecdotal example person had, overcompensating by constantly buying gadgets, etc... There are tons of people with 2, 3, 4, 6+ year old Macs, iPhones, and iPads (my iPad is from 2014 or so and works just fine)...
- icemelt8 7y agoThose "tons" are a minority, most people immediately upgrade.
- aguzzi94 7y agoYes, what you said is completely true. I am not saying that Apple is evil, I personally own Apple products and I think they're great (but overpriced). I just wanted to point out the length some people go just to have Apple in their pockets. Apple is not evil, but they know what they're doing, and they know that the prestige of their products is used by people to try and neutralize the sense of worthlessness they feel inside. This manipulation is even more evident now that they are selling phones that are almost identical to the previous generation, bring nothing substantially new to the table, if not new smokes and mirrors. I'm sure that in their headquarters, they now spend less and less time innovating and more and more time refining their selling skills.
- Wh1skey 7y agoIt's sad to watch a device that was once a serious innovation slowly become another gizmo.
- ptah 7y agonot sure if i will upgrade for a few years. i regret going to iphone 7 plus as i can't use any decent headphones with it
- nabla9 7y agoI doubt that these are going to sell a lot, but they have their uses. In many jobs you just buy the phone that takes best presentable pictures and videos without effort and money is not an issue. As much as possible automation and defaults is positive if it gives you good photos. Real estate agent, free lance journalist, some kind of surveyors, assessors, construction, landscapers, interior designers, repair and maintenance. Either you remember to carry a small camera everywhere in job or you buy a phone. $1000 is not much if you use it for work every day.
- bigbluedots 7y agoThis is becoming a parody of where smartphones are up to. Retina display (which was supposed to have higher resolution than can be discerned by the retina) is not enough, now you need Super Retina XYZ! Want a great camera? Two isn't enough, now you need three of them! Oh, and it's fully AI accelarated!
- agumonkey 7y agomethink the next game will light sensing display that can be both showing and recording (maybe not at the same time)
- martijn_himself 7y agoSo the iPhone and iPad line-up look fine to me. Nothing exciting, but it doesn't have to be if you are upgrading every 2-3 years and you are a fan of Apple's tight integration of software and hardware. The most worrying is the state of the App Store, a graveyard of abandoned apps and games. Apple Arcade looks like it will be such a missed opportunity. Why can I not develop full-fledged iPad apps on my iPad Pro? The App Store used to be part of reviews of Apple's mobile devices, often giving it the edge over Android. Why is it not anymore?
- knd775 7y agoAndroid as a platform grew enough for developers to justify making proper apps for it. Apple still has a slight edge in overall quality, but I'm not sure it's worth highlighting anymore.
- capex 7y agoAhem... this three-eyed raven is causing serious trypophobia for me. Wonder how it passed Apple's usual aesthetic design standards.
- danielscrubs 7y agoSo here's how the event went: - Saving so many lives with the heart sensor - PMS tracker - Some autism spectrum boy that started to run - Trial periods - Compass Now, I'm sitting there thinking, wait, why do I need to hear this boasting about the past? Do you have cool shit to show or not? It all just smells like they are trying to impress their own employees and this is something I see so often in other companies, that Apple just didn't do before.
- ubermonkey 7y agoAt our house, because I like new gadgets and my wife doesn't care, I have typically gotten a new phone every 2 years, and handed my old one to her to use for 2 more. Then we fucked up the supply chain by breaking two phones in fairly quick succession. :( She's on a 6S, and I have an 8. Both are about 2 years old now. I love to shift to FaceID on a X-style phone, and I'm a big amateur photographer, so holy crap the photo magic in the 11 Pro is SERIOUSLY tempting even though, at this point, there's absolutely nothing wrong with my 8 aside from the lack of FaceID. Affording it isn't an issue. I've just finally gotten old enough that "new gadget" isn't quite the slam-dunk idea it once was. LOL. OTOH, reloading the supply line with staggered phones is probably not a terrible idea...
- WA 7y agoI have an iPhone XS Max. FaceID is nice. The camera is good, no question. It is enough for me and for most people. But don't buy too much into the shit Apple tells about their cameras. After I got the XS Max a year ago, I was seriously unimpressed. They overpromised and underdelivered on the capabilities of the camera. Don't get me wrong. It's a good camera, probably the best in a phone, but boy, the "magical" portrait mode has its glitches. In 10-20% of the portrait photos, the camera/software has trouble detecting what's in the background and what not. Studio lighting sounds impressive, but I honestly never use it. It looks too artificial for my taste. Sure thing, you can get decent photos with the iPhone XS Max, but the improvement compared to an iPhone 8 is a LOT less than what Apple says it is. I guess I would be more impressed if they didn't frame it as some "camera that pro's use instead of their DSLR" or whatever they said in the marketing campaign.
- ubermonkey 7y ago"But don't buy too much into the shit Apple tells about their cameras." I guess I don't know what that means. Any statement by a manufacturer is self-serving and should generally be taken with lots of salt. 3rd party reviews from trusted sites are more useful. "Don't get me wrong. It's a good camera, probably the best in a phone" So bugs exist but it's still "probably the best in a phone?" What's the issue, then? "didn't frame it as some "camera that pro's use instead of their DSLR" or whatever they said in the marketing campaign" Have they actually suggested that there exists any real pattern of professionals -- who, above all, tend to shoot in camera RAW, which Apple obscures in iOS -- using iPhones in lieu of full-frame DSLR or mirrorless bodies? Because I sure haven't seen it. A modern, higher end smartphone is probably a better camera than any fixed-lens option from 3-5 years ago. And, increasingly, that means it's plenty enough camera for most people. But it's nowhere nearly as capable as my Sony. OTOH, I've seen shots with the X and later iterations (by humans I know, not a marketing department) that were genuinely better, to my eye, than what I get out of my 8. That's appealing. The other factor for us is the continued existence of the 6S in our family. The 8's camera is materially better than the one in my wife's 6S, and this matters since we both take pics of friends and family and vacations. Moving her to the 8 and me to an 11 Pro would mean a net uptick in group photo quality. Win!
- lieux 7y agoWhere is new technology!?
- iphuong 7y agoi don't like this phone
- mads 7y agoAm I the only one who finds the design with all those cameras unsettling in some weird way?
- Nguyenhung 7y agoI like iphone11 pro.
- Nguyenhung 7y agoApple is the largest technology company in the world
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