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Atlassian acquires Trello for $425M
- newsat13 10y agoIf anyone is looking to selfhost, I recommend wekan or kanboard on cloudron.io
- SwaroopH 10y agoAtlassian's blog post on it: https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/ https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/
- sidcool 10y agoNot sure how JIRA will marry Trello. They are different in their user base. I use both but for very different cases.
- adentranter 10y agoI second this. Using both systems but for very different use cases. Interested in seeing how this plays out.
- hashkb 10y agoI'd say the user base is as or more important than the product, from Atlassians POV. If they are able to convert a few hundred thousand JIRA accounts from this, they could turn Trello off and it'd be a win.
- tajen 10y agoYes – Just like Bitbucket Issues didn't marry JIRA. One core difference between Trello and JIRA Agile is, in Trello you can't hide tickets that you don't want right now in the sprint – In JIRA Agile, you only put a few issues in the sprint so the board looks clean. Anyway. Not sure why some people want to move away from Trello now. Is it that they don't want an identity connection between JIRA and Trello (SSO or similar)?
- oakesm9 10y agoI think it's likely that people who use Trello appreciate the simplicity and Atlassian aren't exactly known for creating simple software (speaking as a past Jira user/admin). I had the same feeling of "oh well, what else can I use in the future" when I read this post.
- nyanev 10y agoYou can try https://ora.pm https://ora.pm
- ohstopitu 10y agoThis is great! But it's fairly lacking in some features. Any word on release of API docs so devs can integrate their workflow into it?
- nyanev 10y agoWe are planning to open API but it will be after the launch. What kind of features do you want to see?
- oakesm9 10y agoI wasn't expecting that to be as nice looks as it is. I've signed up for early access. Do you have a timeframe for when it will be available?
- mediaserf 10y agoI am a big JIRA fan, but lately they have dumbed it down to be very much like Trello. So I hope this gives me old JIRA back, built-in. Currently I have the "classic" workflow as an export that I can import. I wonder if they will try to push Trello users to Atlassian hosted JIRA Software with the simple workflow, or if they will combine the two like they did with Bitbucket and Stash.
- Communitivity 10y agoThis saddens me, and I suspect the future Trello will be a much different animal from what it is today. It could be better, but my gut says not.
- msimpson 10y agoI'm optimistic in that there may finally be a self-hosted version of Trello.
- Toenex 10y agoWhilst not as well produced as Trello, https://kanboard.net/ https://kanboard.net/ is self hostable.
- williamle8300 10y ago*optimistic
- msimpson 10y agoThanks. I'm still waking up.
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- bhouston 10y agoThis makes sense. Atlassian is good at making money from its services and it is increasing its overall ecosystem here. Github moves really slow in comparison. I guess Github is more focused, but there are a lot of contrasts between Github and Atlassian, and in terms of making money I think Atlassian is doing a lot better. Has Github acquired anything significant? Github should have acquired Zenhub (which is Trello integrated into Github for the most part) instead of slowing trying to recreate it -- although I guess Github has better code purity if they develop it themselves, but it means they move slower.
- hashkb 10y agoWhat does this have to do with h GitHub?
- mcintyre1994 10y agoBitBucket is owned by Atlassian and a competitor (the biggest?) to Github in the enterprise.
- bryanrasmussen 10y agoAnyone know a good simple trello competitor that I can import my trello boards to really quick.
- phaedryx 10y agoWe've been using Meistertask and have liked it a lot so far.
- bhouston 10y agoZenhub is pretty close I guess.
- IanCal 10y agoI've heard wekan mentioned a lot (open source alternative). Here's the migration docs: https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/Migrating-from-Trello https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/Migrating-from-Trello
- tajen 10y agoWekan is really a copy of Trello, it's awesome. Installing it through Sandstorm.io makes it very easy, but I don't have production experience with Sandstorm.io.
- katpas 10y agoI've been using the Github Project board functionality which looks a lot like Trello. I doubt there's an integration where you'd be able to port one to the other though.
- andrewbarba 10y agoI'm a big fan of Clubhouse, and looks like someone wrote a tool to do exactly what you want: https://clubhouse.io/developers https://clubhouse.io/developers
- drtse4 10y agozenkit.com
- hashkb 10y agoSo... it's going to stop being free and start sucking?
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- dovdovdov 10y agoor get shut down...
- BjoernKW 10y agoAtlassian doesn't have a reputation for shutting down services they've acquired.
- k__ 10y agoRight, but they don't have a good reputation to start with. Somehow the only good things I heared about them came from people who made their money by building stuff they wanted to sell on the Atlassian platform. People less biased always choose alternatives. I can't say much about them myself. I only used Bitbucket, because of the free private repos. Their UIs are pretty mediocre, but I use it via Git cli, so it doesn't matter much for me.
- ErrantX 10y agoSo as a counterpoint. I used BitBucket a lot before Atlassian bought them. They were great, but toward the end suffered significantly from load issues. After Atlassian bought them: * The service I paid £5 a month for became free * The stability issues started to improve in a dramatic fashion Today Stash is a great product (IMO), and BitBucket has really improved from having great Jira integration. I was actually sad because I couldn't justify paying for the premium features (multi-person private repos) in the same way, because it was nothing I needed. It was the best £5 subscription I ever had :)
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- nodesocket 10y ago"In July 2014, Trello spins off from Fog Creek and becomes Trello, Inc. naming Fog Creek co-founder Michael Pryor as its CEO. The company raises $10.3 million in a Series A round of funding led by Spark Capital and Index Ventures." Spark Calital and Index Ventures must have gotten a nice huge return, Trello only raised $10 million.
- jessmartin 10y agoAll depends on what valuation they got in at. Trello was pretty well on it's way by July '14, so it's possible the valuation was already pretty high. Even so, I bet it was a 3-5x multiple, at least.
- nodesocket 10y agoAssuming a $50 million valuation at the time of investment, quick back of the napkin is 8x return right?
- rkrzr 10y agoTrello has apparently about 19 million users. And I would bet that the majority of them are not the typical target audience of Atlassian products (i.e. software development teams). So I wonder if they are mostly aquiring the user base here in order to expand their potential market?
- USNetizen 10y agoThat is true - a lot of software developers use a variety of tools so they can do more advanced things like track burn rates, project velocity, and such more quantitatively. Trello, on the other hand, is so easy that I've seen it used for everything from managing speaking arrangements to writing books. It has more of a mass appeal.
- marrone12 10y agoYeah, that's exactly what they say in the article. Their goal is to get to 100MM MAUs, which they can really only do by expanding to non-tech industries, and Trello is extremely popular amongst marketing and finance professionals.
- Retr0spectrum 10y agoJust to add my 2 cents, I've worked with a dev team that used Trello for project coordination.
- burnbabyburn 10y agoI'm part of one of those.
- jon-wood 10y agoTrello is hugely popular amongst software developers, but I think the point being made is that it's also popular outside that niche. At work it came in through the back door being used for software planning, but quickly became the preferred tool for managing any sort of project. There's a similar story with me showing it to my wife, who just finished managing her PhD in history with it.
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- brunorsini 10y agoReally eager to hear what Spolsky has to say about the acquisition (nothing yet either on his blog or on Twitter).
- Jdam 10y agoHow to get rich: 1. Create an awesome ToDo list 2. ??? 3. Profit
- spacehacker 10y agoI think most of it is about the brand; about buying a name which is already imprinted in millions of minds. The technology alone is probably only worth 1-5% (?) of the price.
- christophilus 10y agoAgreed. Maybe the 2. ??? was "How the heck did they go from unknown to a recognizable brand?"
- criddell 10y agoBy really nailing step 1.
- weavie 10y agoI think it is more something like : 1. Write really popular blog. 2. Create Stack overflow and make it the goto for developers. 3. Create todo list etc.. The brand was there before they even started the todo list. All it took was a blog post "We are going to create a todo list now" and it was pretty much set.
- addicted 10y agoYou forgot $20mm users and user loyalty that leads people to pay you just to have stickers on their todos.
- creativityland 10y agoHave you tried searching todo list in the app store? It is as competitive as the camera filter and keyboard apps.
- yeasayer 10y agoWhy did Fog Creek approved this acquisition? With products like Stack Overflow, Trello and GoMix I thought they want to become a big player on the market of software development. Why sell our own assets?
- jon-wood 10y agoMy sense is that Fog Creek is more of an incubator than a traditional software company now, albeit one which is incredibly selective about what they invest in. Stack Overflow and Trello are both independent companies which started out as side projects for Fog Creek, and I imagine GoMix will eventually go the same way.
- daxelrod 10y agoFog Creek's model tends to involve spinning off their runaway hits into separate companies. They've done this with StackOverflow and Trello. Trello has been an independent company since 2014. (Although I'm not sure what kind of ownership position Fog Creek had).
- ridruejo 10y agoI wonder how much revenue was Trello generating? It seems it was 10MM middle of last year http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2016/05/23/trello-get-serious-about-big-businesses-as-it-passes-1-1-million-daily-users-and-triples-sales/#7b75d1376ce2 http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2016/05/23/trello-get...
- lmm 10y agoSo I guess we'll see JIRA rebranded as "Trello Server" and it will become impossible to search for any help on it?
- kevando 10y agoCan we all start using Trello clones as the tutorial substance? So in case Atlassian screws it up, we have 100s of developers that know how to re-create it? :D
- ocdtrekkie 10y agoWekan.io is a pretty excellent open source alternative to Trello.
- konart 10y agohttps://zenkit.com https://zenkit.com for example. Really like it so far (not trying to run from Trello, as I don't use it much anyway)
- thirdsun 10y agoNever heard of it, but this actually looks as if it could replace Trello and Airtable, two products I really like, and then some. Thanks for the suggestion.
- sororke 10y agoThanks so much for the mention, we're glad you like it! For anyone looking for more info about Zenkit & where we're headed, see here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13022663 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13022663
- arc_of_descent 10y agoIf I remember correctly, the Pro React book has a tutorial for a Trello clone.
- open-source-ux 10y agoThere are already lots of Trello clones: Restyaboard: http://restya.com/board http://restya.com/board (open source, self-hosted) Phabricator Projects https://www.phacility.com/phabricator/projects/ https://www.phacility.com/phabricator/projects/ (open source, self-hosted, or paid hosting) Kanban: https://kanboard.net/ https://kanboard.net/ (open source, self-hosted, or paid hosting) Wekan: https://wekan.io/ https://wekan.io/ (open source, self-hosted) And no doubt, lots more not listed here...
- bjacobel 10y agoSome of Atlassian's previous acquisitions have turned into products mostly shunned by the developer community (Hipchat, Bitbucket) - I hope they've learned what went wrong since then, but my gut says Atlassian isn't very good at integrating external teams and supporting their products. Hopefully Trello won't go down the same path.
- egeozcan 10y agoWho is shunning Bitbucket and why? Something happened that I missed?
- bjacobel 10y agoIt never comes up in the same breath as GitHub and GitLab. The major differentiator for Bitbucket that's the primary reason many people I know have Bitbucket accounts - that they offered free unlimited private repos when nobody else did - doesn't differentiate them anymore.
- egeozcan 10y agoGitHub neither offers free private repos nor Mercurial support. For me and many others, Mercurial support is a big thing. Bitbucket may still be less popular but I don't see it being shunned. That's what made me wonder. I wouldn't mind if you said that it was not given enough attention or even that it was being ignored (Although I'd still disagree). Maybe bad choice of words?
- andrewingram 10y agoEven prior to its acquisition. I seriously disliked finding projects on Bitbucket, the UX just seems to be wrong for how I want to interact with codebases and documentation. It's only gotten worse since they were bought.
- lolptdr 10y agoWhy are Hipchat or Bitbucket shunned? Hipchat is a slimmer version of Slack but pretty much does the same things. Bitbucket is just a github with a Atlassian skin.
- longwave 10y agoI hope they can learn from Trello to improve JIRA Agile. JIRA seems much better for software projects with organised sprints and large numbers of tickets, but front end performance is terrible and the overall UX feels like it could be improved significantly.
- maxxxxx 10y agoThat would be nice. JIRA Agile definitely could use a push to get a better UI. It also doesn't support real world bug tracking well.
- ohstopitu 10y agowow! I had recently decided to go all in on Trello for my personal use and I was in the process of making a Trello-Gitlab powerup (just like Trello Github powerup). I wonder what the future of Trello is - both as a customer and as a software dev (I loved their remote work policy).
- joemaller1 10y agoI'm a big fan of Trello but I dread using Atlassian products. I do not have a good feeling about this. Hopefully Atlassian can learn from what makes Trello so wonderful instead of JIRA-ifying it into oblivion.
- colinbartlett 10y agoI feel the same, but I also think that the products and ecosystems are so different that there's hope they might keep them separated.
- vidarh 10y agoSame here. I love Trello for its simplicity, and lack of simplicity is exactly why I avoid Atlassian services...
- LoSboccacc 10y agoprepare for epic cards made of sub-cards and card tasks, all in the name of Agility of course.
- chrisan 10y agoTrello is a JIRA competitor based on providing simplicity to task boards. Why would they JIRA-ify it? They would lose their audience who sought a JIRA alternative in the first place. From their blog post on the subject https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/ https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/ they seem to acknowledge this I happen to use, and like, both products. JIRA at work (where I want a lot of the features) and Trello for personal/small group projects and even family/household stuff where I just need _simple_
- wattt 10y agoThey will JIRA-fy it or kill it. I use JIRA and pay for it, it is hell on earth for teams of 2-5. We looked into switching to trello to reduce overhead but... It cost more for less features. So we stayed with JIRA. They will kill trello so everyone is stuck with JIRA. Someone please make a trello clone with reasonable pricing, now!
- willvarfar 10y agoSo Fog Creek - makers of Fogbugz, which lost out bigtime to JIRA - have now sold Trello to Atlassian? Is there nothing left of Fogbugz?
- beat 10y agoNothing but this here big steaming nine-figure pile of cash...
- ccostes 10y agoThey spin out each of their products (Stack Overflow, Trello) as separate corporations so Fog Creek didn't own Trello. Edit: I guess the spinning-out doesn't say anything about ownership (though the article does say Trello did a round of funding after the spin-out)
- stonemetal 10y agoStack was never owned by Fog Creek was it? I thought the only relation was that they shared Joel as a co-founder.
- willyk 10y agothat was my understanding as well, although there has occasionally been stuff written that suggested more too.
- manmal 10y agoThere was a blog post very recently where they said they will double down on http://gomix.com http://gomix.com now.
- anildash 10y agoWe're definitely investing in Gomix and we'll be revitalizing FogBugz this year, too — especially for folks who don't find Jira a satisfying or delightful way to work.
- huhtenberg 10y agoOki-doki, time to move. Does anyone know or, better yet, use any good self-hosted Trello alternatives?
- stephanee 10y agoTry Active Collab. It does wonders for my team.
- huhtenberg 10y agoHow is it self-hosted? If you are to astroturf, at least show some diligence.
- stephanee 10y agoYes, it is. You can install it on your server.
- miheermunjal 10y agohave used Github issues and Gitlab with success as Trello alternatives.
- taytus 10y agoI like Trello, I use it often. $450M... for a todo list. Yes, I use it. Yes, I think is useful. Yes, I think this valuation is absolutely crazy.
- arkitaip 10y agoI've said it before and I've say it again: as a community we are not only poor at evaluating startup ideas but shockingly bad at appreciating actual business successes. You know the saying that hindsight is 20/20? Does not apply.
- dangoor 10y ago"I like Facebook, I use it often. $365B... for a message board. Yes, I use it. Yes, I think it is useful. Yes, I think this valuation is absolutely crazy." Not many todo lists have millions of users, including some that pay actual money for the service. Having looked at many project management tools, Trello has absolutely nailed certain aspects of the user experience that many of the others get wrong. Try pasting an image into a card, for example. It's not a perfect tool, but if you tried to recreate it yourself, you'd probably start to realize why they netted $450M.
- taytus 10y agoNot quite the same right? FB is way more than a message board. And even back then when they were just a MB, they had millions of users in no-time.
- dangoor 10y agoMy point is that TodoMVC is a todo list. Trello is a lot more than that. FB has 3 orders of magnitude more value than Trello with 2 orders of magnitude more users.
- solatic 10y agoThere's a halo effect here. If Atlassian can drive powerful integrations with its current products then it can increase the value proposition for those products among Trello customers, driving sales for its own products. Not that there was anything to prevent them from making those integrations before, but now they can go to Trello customers directly and ask them, "hey did you know you can create a Confluence meeting notes document, create a bunch of action items during the meeting, turn them all into Trello cards with the click of a button, and see the real time status of all of them straight from the Confluence document?"
- bonaldi 10y agoI'm a big fan of Trello and Atlassian both. Personally speaking, if all they do is take away the crippling "add on" restrictions in Trello for solo users, this will be a huge win.
- DCRichards 10y agoI can only imagine it went something like this... http://imgur.com/Yf9Hz4J http://imgur.com/Yf9Hz4J
- Dr0Dre 10y agoYour link goes to a 404.
- DCRichards 10y agoOops, I was lazy... http://imgur.com/Yf9Hz4J http://imgur.com/Yf9Hz4J
- bencollier49 10y agoIs Slack next? Could they afford that?
- rrdharan 10y agoI don't think anyone other than Facebook/Microsoft/Apple/Google can afford Slack.
- WorldMaker 10y ago...and Microsoft tried, was spurned, and built Teams and is pushing Teams and Skype to attack Slack where it lives.
- emddudley 10y agoLast year Microsoft also released Planner, a Trello clone.
- zoom6628 10y agoThey need to get Teams right before they are attacking anything except the coffee maker. I hope they do get it right cos we use s4b at work. I really want them to make that a capable product so that i dont have to use a basket of products to get communications done: yammer, s4b, email, FTP, sharepoint, internal systems (that really just need a bot to chat with instead of a app UI),....and many others.
- aioprisan 10y agoThere's an open source clone of Trello that you can self-host: https://wekan.io/ https://wekan.io/
- bovermyer 10y agoHow well does it work?
- manmal 10y agoJust gave it a shot, and it seems pretty good. It does not have all the features, and scrolling is a but clunky, but one could always submit a PR, right? :)
- iimpact 10y agoWe tested it out at my company, and for the most part, it worked pretty good. Very Trello-like, and overall just a simple / easy to use Kanban board. Though, we did have problems 'viewing' the details of a card. Depending on how much data was in the details, it could take around 5-8 seconds to load.
- knocte 10y agoGitlab also recently made their issues-UI very Trelloish. And Gitlab is opensource too.
- ferdbold 10y agoIn the same vein, GitHub also has Projects now.
- knz 10y agoGithub also added "Projects" (basically Trello with integration to your issues etc) in September 2016. https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-announcing-new-tools-forums-and-features https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-ann...
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- mtw 10y agoCongrats to Trello and Fog Creek Software! I've moved on to Zenhub instead of Trello, but it's indeed a really nice product that can be used by many, and not just people in software development
- colept 10y agoZenHub is nice but it's also overwhelming with information that's not pertinent or contextual.
- kenrick95 10y agoFrom http://blog.trello.com/trello-atlassian http://blog.trello.com/trello-atlassian >> We will continue operating as a standalone service, and we will continue to integrate deeply with all of the tools available out there that help people collaborate (and you can look forward to some great integrations with HipChat, Confluence and JIRA).
- lmm 10y agoSo that's all well and good as far as it goes. But e.g. I currently rely on integration between Trello and Discord, which is in competition with HipChat - is there a risk of them killing that off?
- miheermunjal 10y agomy experience with Atlassian products tells me that this will likely become a "third project type" to JIRA: Scrum, Kanban, Trello (or whatever generalized name is given). They feel like different products. Or Atlassian is using this to go after competitors like A-Ha! which it doesn't currently serve (i.e. non software development projects)
- antoniuschan99 10y agoTrello is one of the best SaaS I've used. Atlassian used to be loved before prior to its IPO. I'm not too happy with Atlassian acquiring Trello. How much of Fog Creek will still be part of Trello?
- montecore 10y agoFog Creek is dead, long live Fog Creek
- antoniuschan99 10y agoWhy do you say that? They just sold Trello for half a billion and still have Stack Overflow. I'm sure Fogbugz is profitable although it's not anything stellar and it looks like they have a new product
- montecore 10y agoThey shared an office with Trello, but it spun off long ago, so they made no money on this sale. Same goes for Stack, totally separate company. AND now their closest ally, Trello, has been sold to the direct competitor of FogBugz. Thus, Fog Creek is dead, Long live Fog Creek.
- krallja 10y agoTrello was spun off as its own company in 2014. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2014/07/24/trello-inc/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2014/07/24/trello-inc/
- jpmattia 10y agoJust to prepare: Does anyone have a way of exporting Trello data?
- jglovier 10y agoLooks like you can export any board as JSON by going to Board Menu > More > Print and Export (from http://help.trello.com/article/747-exporting-data-from-trello-1 http://help.trello.com/article/747-exporting-data-from-trell...). There's also a Chrome extension to export a board to a spreadsheet: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/export-for-trello/nhdelomnagopgaealggpgojkhcafhnin?hl=en-US https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/export-for-trello/....
- znpy 10y agoOh god... Let's hope they don't spoil it. I just made a paid subscription...
- ggregoire 10y agoNot related at all but I interviewed for Trello in 2016, the meeting was super cool (video call in the browser, nice RH girl apparently very excited about my profile), the job was full remote, they needed help to move from Backbone to React and they have millions of users (!) so I was quite hyped. Then I received an email of refusal from another guy containing only a quote from the CEO. I asked for feedback (probably my spoken english was not good enough but I wanted a confirmation) and the guy replied me that he couldn't say anything for legal reasons... and the same quote from the CEO. Cold shower experience. About the topic: we used JIRA in my last job and it was not that bad. Curious to see what they are going to do with Trello.
- shostack 10y agoWhat was the quote?
- ggregoire 10y agoI just looked at my emails and actually my message was not exactly accurate. I received the refusal from the CEO and this email contained the following phrase: > sometimes we have to make very painful choices and pass over some extraordinarily promising candidates. Then I asked for feedback and the next reply from the recruiting team quoted this phrase. They didn't give me any feedbacks for legal reasons (?).
- adrienne 10y agoYes - that's very typical for US companies, because they're afraid of being sued. It definitely shouldn't be read as cold or uncaring on the part of the people responding to you; the worst that can be said is that they were paying too much attention to their lawyers. :D
- alberth 10y agoThis is a great acquistion for both parties. 1. Trello was smart in only taking $10M in VC funding [1]. This allows for a 40x return for it's investors. If Trello were like many other startups, they probably would have taken too much VC money and got themselves in a situation where the VC wouldn't sell unless it was $2B+. 2. Atlassian now has a product that is loved by many developers and business people alike. It will easily be interegrated into their existing stack and it complements their products very well. TLDR: Both Trello & Atlassian were smart in this acquisition. Couldn't be happier for them (and as a user). Edit: typos [1] https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/trello#/entity https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/trello#/entity
- calcsam 10y ago$10M in funding implies a valuation of $50-100M, which means a 4-8x return not a 40x return.
- dkrich 10y agoAlso, I'm pretty sure that investment wasn't for 100% ownership, so it's not like that $10 million turned into $400 million. The return would have to be proportional to ownership percentage.
- jtmarmon 10y agoyes that's exactly what the parent is saying. 10M at a 100M post money valuation is 10% of the company. 10% of 400M is 40M - a 4x return
- notatoad 10y ago>It will easily be interegrated into their existing stack and it complements their products very well. Will it? i use both Bitbucket and Jira at work, and i'm constantly finding myself wondering how two products from the same org can work so poorly together. They use their products to market their other products, but as far as actually integrating things into a seamless experience it doesn't seem like that's atlassian's strength. In many ways that will be a good thing though, trello will likely remain trello instead of becoming something else to fit atlassian's ecosystem.
- mfukar 10y agoAtlassian follows MBA 101[1]: if you're selling an elastic inferior product, you can always buy out the competition. [1] As portrayed on The Wire
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- snackman 10y agodread sets in
- hermitcrab 10y agoIf they kill the free tier, it will help our desktop card-based planner: http://www.hyperplan.com http://www.hyperplan.com ;0)
- rubin55 10y agoNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- j-pb 10y agoTime to cancel that gold subscription then.
- andrewvijay 10y agoKinda makes me happy for trello's founders. Have been using it as a reference site for HTML and CSS development. I really liked those buttons! :D I hope atlassin doesn't make it bloated and shitty. Hope it stays good for the small teams as it has ever been!
- josh_carterPDX 10y agoGreat acquisition for Atlassian and I'm super pumped for the Trello team. The people here who are concerned that the culture will change are ill informed and likely haven't gone through an acquisition themselves. This makes perfect sense and look forward to seeing what's next for both companies.
- eCa 10y ago> The people here who are concerned that the culture will change are ill informed and likely haven't gone through an acquisition themselves. No, but many have been users of companies that ended their beatiful journey soon after being acquired. I'm cautiously optimistic that Atlassian don't want to waste half-a-billion dollars.
- josh_carterPDX 10y agoIt's good point and a valid concern (Parse). But I think there is value there for both Atlassian and Trello. I don't think this will be a bad thing for end user.
- toyg 10y agoI've gone through an acquisition and understand the fears, but I think Atlassian's track record doesn't warrant panicking in the way Oracle's or Yahoo's would.
- landsat365 10y agoIs this why there hasn't been a stackoverflow podcast in a while?
- tejasmanohar 10y agoSounds like a move to capture the lower bound of the market. Right now, lots of teams leave Trello to something more robust like JIRA after crossing somewhere between 5-10 people, but with this, they're on Atlassian from the beginning. I also think the JIRA team could use some UX help from Trello :P
- kaushalmodi 10y agoI am really glad I never started using Trello for my task organization. It lacked the basic act of marking tasks as Done. I needed to manually drag the done tasks to a 'Done' board. On that note, my hunt for good task organization app led me to Todoist! It's awesome! It has great web and Android apps and great API which I intend to hack at some point to create an emacs interface for it. So glad that Todoist wasn't bought by Atlassian. My biggest gripe with Atlassian is that it natively doesn't support Markdown in Jira. It uses its funky own markup that's really bad.
- ylecuyer 10y agoFor me the best todolist would be like a tree where you would be able to divide tasks into sub tasks and see every thing in one screen. I haven't been able to find such app so as for now I'm stuck with pen and paper
- VladimirGolovin 10y agoHave you tried Workflowy?
- kaushalmodi 10y agoIf you are open to emacs, check out org mode. It's awesome! http://orgmode.org/features.html http://orgmode.org/features.html
- creativityland 10y agoHave you tried https://taskcade.com https://taskcade.com ?
- cjCamel 10y agoMicrosoft Planner was released as a free add-on to Office 365 at the backend of last year, which seems to be a direct "good enough" competitor to Trello's business & enterprise plans. Wonder if that was a factor in the sale?
- gm-conspiracy 10y agoSo, pardon my ignorance, but I wasn't aware FogCreek spun it off into its own entity... But, what was the $10mil of VC money used for? Has Trello evolved since taking the money (features)? Over $300mil in cash for kanban cards? Nice exit.
- desireco42 10y agoWhen I hear Atlassian, I hear Jira and we all 'love' Jira. I don't know, I see how this is good for Atlassian, not really how it is good for me.
- desireco42 10y agoIs there really anyone who things this is a good deal for us users?!
- SonOfLilit 10y agoOpen letter to Atlassian: Trello are an amazing team and an amazing product, and what makes the product so amazing is how domain-agnostic it is. They refuse at all costs to add any feature that helps use Trello in one specific way over others (e.g. lists = stages in task lifetime, cards = tasks; lists = assigned people, cards = tasks; lists = dates, cards = events, ...), and that made Trello equally useful as a Kanban board, a CRM, or for a beer microbrewery tracking its different barrels and the stages of brewing they are at. The best thing about Trello is when you start organizing your board one way, then organically drift towards a more natural way to organize them, sometimes without noticing as you do. Trello is for processes that you're not sure yet about the right way to manage. Atlassian is all about development team collaboration. Trello can be used for that, but not anymore than it can be used for brewing beer. Trello shines when you don't know in advance how you will want to manage a project. If Trello became a dev collaboratin tool, I would stop using it for dev collaboration because there are better specialized solutions for that. Keep Trello general. Please.
- athenot 10y agoI think Atlassian is indeed acquiring Trello to fit it in with the rest of their suite. This is probably going to be done to the detriment of the other use cases. On the bright side, this might pave the way for a new product in this space, or some open-source tools which replicate the same basic funtionality.
- dmcginty 10y agoOpen source alternatives are already out there. Wekan is one of the more popular ones. I'm not sure if it has all of the features of Trello as I haven't used Trello extensively. https://github.com/wekan/wekan https://github.com/wekan/wekan
- iffycan 10y agoIt misses a few of Trello's features (including keyboard shortcuts and checklists) but it's close.
- peterschroeder 10y agoOh yeah! Just leave everything exactly how it is now and I will keep on loving Trello! :)
- randomdata 10y agoAs a causal user of Bitbucket and Trello at work, I thought Trello was an Atlassian product until today. Makes it an obvious acquisition choice.
- sanguy 10y agoThis is really bad as Atlassian is like a prize winning show pony -- great marketing and webinars but once you get deeply into the product usage you find all sorts of problems and open issues. BitBucket has been waiting for 2FA for 5 years! Bambo was recently semi-retired going against a lot of users investments. And these are just recent. I would not expect wonderful things for Trello and thankfully it appears they got their money out up front. My words of advice to anyone looking is to stay away from Atlassian at all costs. Once your in too deep you probably are trapped - which is what they count on.
- randlet 10y agoI've been using BitBucket 2FA for a while now.
- shmerl 10y agoNo ability in their wiki to edit subsections individually is very annoying.
- mitchty 10y agoI love their response to open issues like: we'd like to be able to delete pull requests. Response: what a silly notion, no Or another one I found recently: we'd like to comment on code that isn't within 10 lines of a changed file. You know, because one line change in file a can impact stuff elsewhere. Or even in another project but the chances of that happening are more slim than a tachyon hitting an atom as it passes through earth. Response: Good idea, here's stuff we did this year, and here's other stuff we do. (aka the non committal middle finger) It sucks because atlassian products are 80% of the way there, but the final 20% polish never seems to arrive. And its been years.
- bduerst 10y ago>atlassian products are 80% of the way there, but the final 20% polish never seems to arrive This was kind of my synopsis when I looked at implementing them back in 2009. My take was that they built out 80% of the platform and then expected the customers/users to build out the extra 20% for each other.
- jjgomo33 10y agoToo much casualty that Asana is suffering a DoS problem right now.
- ChuckMcM 10y agoMakes a lot of sense although I expect at least one of my former co-workers is really is really irritated because they hate Jira and were feeling "forced" to use it. Perhaps with this acquisition there will be a 'local server' option which is something some companies really look for.
- brilliantcode 10y agoIs it just me or the acquisition amounts decreasing? Soundcloud - $500M potential buyout Trello - $425M I'm not aware of any other. All those 10,000 startups world wide and only a couple gets bought out few IPO. The chances of a payout doing a VC funded startup is marginally slim despite what PG wrote in his articles nearly 10+ years ago. Coupled with rising interest rates, it seems like the ride is coming to a slow crawl but this is just my gut feeling. There's no better time to bootstrap than ever. Control your own company with no outside influences. You don't need billions of dollars. If you can double your day job salary with a SaaS then I think that's a huge success. Here's to a happy & successful 2017 for the rest of us bootstrappers on HN.
- jMyles 10y agoSomebody who knows this pattern better than me: are we likely to see Trello shut down within 3 years?
- sjg007 10y agoAwesome. Nice to see that it was a spin out from Fog Creek as well. Well done!
- omouse 10y agoone of the largest players in the project management game acquires another tool and it's a-okay because there's loads of competition; but realistically, trello was one of the competitors to JIRA that actually could hold its own when being reviewed for use by non-developers. JIRA has been the default choice of many companies and while not a monopoly I'd say it's approaching that status.
- kevinburke 10y agoCongrats to Atlassian and the Trello team!
- ravenstine 10y agoI just hope they leave the design alone and don't try enforcing their hideous design philosophy upon it. (Why do big tech companies think that making all their software look the same helps anyone or makes them more money?)
- foxhop 10y agoPlease may I have "convert this trello card into a bitbucket issue"
- lucaspottersky 10y agoclearly overpaid... not worth. my opinion. =)
- lstodd 10y agoGood night sweet prince. Jira and Confluence are epitomes of corporate red-tape molasses. Not only the process tends to get tangled to death in all the features everyone gets a bright idea to use, but even without them it wants just too much hardware. A measly company of 30 ppl|3 years history and you're scratching your head to blood keeping the basic actions not taking more that 5 seconds while attempting to not pay 10x license cost for the hardware. Too bad there aren't many alternatives. And thank god I'm not using Trello. It's dead, people it's dead.
- deepuj 10y agoThis is depressing. Trello is a beloved software for a lot of people. It's sad that Trello decided to sell off to Atlassian. I can't believe the same company that makes Jira is going to run Trello. SourceTree is the only software that they make that doesn't suck.
- vecter 10y agoCan you put in concrete terms why you see this as a problem?
- creativityhurts 10y agoAtlassian will most likely "sunset" Trello or somehow include it in JIRA.
- vecter 10y agoThat's an incredibly wild claim that they would sunset it after they just spent $425 million to buy it. Why would you think that? Also, the might include it or leave it separate. They might even include it and still keep it a great product.
- bandrami 10y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp...
- harigov 10y agoAtlassian isn't Google or FB that they can buy something for $425M and then sunset the product. It is more likely that they will probably provide Trello as an option for their users to better manage their projects.
- cialowicz 10y agoThey don't really have a history of doing that. Greenhopper was acquired and integrated into JIRA as JIRA Agile. Hipchat was acquired and now it lives on and nicely integrates with nearly all Atlassian products (JIRA, Bamboo, Confluence, etc). My guess is they'll keep Trello running for a while as-is, and slowly rework it to become "JIRA Lite". It will likely have Trello-like functionality with JIRA branding, and some sort of migration path to the heavier JIRA for companies that have grown a lot.
- jedahan 10y agoCan anyone point me to any acquisition that resulted in a net benefit to the customers of either company/product? Or maybe I should not consider the users of a product the primary customers?
- kamara 10y agoYouTube. I find its continuing existence quite the benefit.
- wwalser 10y agoAtlassian: Confluence - Went from very small user base to hundreds of thousands of users. It's a great tool for internal content management (think HR docs, decision documentation, meeting notes, etc.). HipChat - Small user base and unscalable architecture. Hundreds of thousands of users and loads of resources to rewrite nearly all of it's backend. Still a work in progress but it's been very stable for the past year and the clients, which were all non-native web views, are coming along nicely. Fisheye/Crucible - Small user base, unprofitable. Now has thousands of users and is hands down the best code search and review tool that lots of people don't know about. SourceTree - Massive expose for a very small tool that wasn't well known before acquisition. Many new features, has remained stable throughout. Greenhopper - Was a small, profitable, plugin. Now built-in, completely integrated hundreds of new features and has adapted well to various trends in Agile (scrum, kanban). Despite this thread, which shows HN's consistent (and ironic) distain for (or is it lack of understanding of?) successful software companies, Atlassian is actually great at creating great products out of questionable acquisitions. Outside of Atlassian: Whatsapp is free now, people like free. That's neat. To people crying out privacy, honestly… privacy is the only thing that VC backed b2c companies sell that's actually worth real money. They were eventually going to open that pandora's box. Twitch gets to continue existing and it's ad-free for prime members now as well. I like free :). Firebase is better than ever. Let's all cry a single tear for Parse, we all wanted a massive Mongo cluster backing our data, right?
- shimms 10y agoSmall detail: Confluence wasn't an acquisition, but Atlassian's second product (JIRA was their first).
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- unixhero 10y agohttp://wekan.io http://wekan.io Libre open source alternative. Can be self hosted or self hosted from within Sandstorm
- SippinLean 10y agoDear god please don't make it anything like HipChat
- jarnix 10y agoThey bought 19M users for $425M, it's $22 per user, I don't know how many users pay for the service? PS: their pricing page says $10 / year and user
- kamara 10y agoTrello has a free tier, not all of those 19M pay.
- bane 10y agoWhat Trello has needed since day-1 was a self-hosting option. Many companies won't allow their customers to use it since there's no formal agreement on data protection.
- mydpy 10y agoI kinda see Jira and Trello as separate target markets. Jira = Enterprise (for me) and Trello = Small-to-mid-sized companies and personal use. My company uses Jira (correctly) and it is great - for software. I keep all of my personal lists in Trello. Also - VersionOne <<<<<<<<< Jira
- creativityland 10y agoSimilar here. I don't see Trello and Jira overlapping for the majority of users. For simple tasks, there are still alternatives like wunderlist and taskcade.
- agentgt 10y agoI have a hard time understanding how Trello is worth that much money. Does it really cost 1/2 billion to get 19 million users and a Trello like app built? Is the Trello team really worth that much? Was Trello that threatening to Atlassian? There are a lot of there other successful collaboration SaaS out there as well (e.g. Asana). This is not like social/content services where there can only be one (or very few e.g. instagram, github, whatsapp).
- CptJamesCook 10y agoThink about this from the perspective of a purchase like Google -> Youtube. Google paid $1 billion for Youtube. It's now conservatively worth $50 billion. That means they could have 50 large acquisitions go to zero and still be breakeven on their Youtube deal. You can use the same economics for most deals. (to say nothing about consolidating the large apps in this space -- maybe Asana is next on their list?)
- whatever_dude 10y agoTrello has a lot of vendor-specific integration that is not immediately visible to most users. Their Salesforce integration is huge in terms of user numbers, but it's not something the vast majority of HN users care about, or have even seen. I feel like Trello's focus has been on certain segments, not on the general public. The product, in many ways, has been heavily focused and as simple as possible. It kind of infuriates me I have like 4 chrome extensions installed that augments Trello with very basic features... but I kind of understand their mentality. Kind of the opposite of most Atlassian's products. So this is an... interesting development.
- nottorp 10y agoI bookmarked this comments page as reference for Trello alternatives in case Atlassian ruins it :)
- hackergirl88 10y agoHere is a snapshot of what Bitbucket has launched over the last year: Server/Data Center: http://blogs.atlassian.com/2016/12/bitbucket-server-year-review/ http://blogs.atlassian.com/2016/12/bitbucket-server-year-rev... Cloud: https://blog.bitbucket.org/2016/09/07/bitbucket-cloud-5-million-developers-900000-teams/ https://blog.bitbucket.org/2016/09/07/bitbucket-cloud-5-mill... - Merge checks - Bitbucket Pipelines (Continuous delivery service in Bitbucket Cloud) - 2FA - Universal Second Factor (U2F) - Improved SSH - Support for multiple SSH keys - Build status API - Smart Mirroring - Git LFS (including the embedded media viewer only in Bitbucket Cloud which allows for better large file uploads) - Smart Commits (allow repository committers to process JIRA issues using commands in your commit messages) - reviewer status on pull requests - Code search (Server only currently) - 0 downtime backups - code review at commit level - default review in pull requests - pull request merge strategies - Deploy Bitbucket Data center with AWS - iterative reviews for pull requests - pull request focused dashboard - Bitbucket Connect add-ons (deploy from Bitbucket with AWS, Azure or Digital Ocean)
- alnitak 10y agoWell, since Atlassian is in the mood of acquiring, I have made an analytics and data processing system that plugs into JIRA to create custom reports in ways that are not possible currently by JIRA. It also integrates externally to JIRA regardless of whether it's a cloud or on-premise version. We have been using it internally successfully since a few months, first in my team and then in others in our company. Would you guys be interested at Atlassian?
- buro9 10y agoWhat we really need from Atlassian is yet another syntax or markup to learn for a product in their suite that is different from all of the other products. I'm glad that now they've acquired another company, we have the opportunity to soon look forward to this.
- faragon 10y ago$425M is a lot of money. Was Trello profitable?
- justinzollars 10y agooh no. : (
- perlpimp 10y agoI've tried a few alternatives and what i dread is lack of keyboard navigation in some. esp about a board.
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- Zelmor 10y agoTime to build a Trello spinoff! Who's in?
- tomelders 10y agoAtlassian: We make the software other people make you use.
- nimchimpsky 10y agobitbucket I choose to use, for now.
- xiaoma 10y agoLooks like too many customers decided they JUST MIGHT HAVE TO GO OVER TO THE AUSTRALIANS! So many that "the Australians" bought the team. This is poetic and this is why I'm glad blogs often stick around. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2009/07/20/fruity-treats-customization-and-supersonics-fogbugz-7-is-here/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2009/07/20/fruity-treats-cust...
- krallja 10y agoFogBugz is still wholly owned and operated by Fog Creek Software. Joel is the CEO of Stack Overflow, and does not work for Trello (nor Atlassian).
- xiaoma 10y agoThat essay was written about 5 years before Trello was spun out of Fog Creek. You can see Joel in the photo on the WSJ article covering that story: http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/07/24/digital-whiteboard-trello-spins-out-of-fog-creek-with-10-3m/ http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/07/24/digital-white... To connect the dots, it's overwhelmingly likely that Atlassian was in fact "the Australians" referred to and Atlassian's tremendous growth (which was foreshadowed in Joel's piece) is why they could by Trello 7 years later. It's interesting to look at in JOS in retrospect because he literally blogged the birth of company A, its competition with company B and it's spin-off C, which B later bought.
- emmelaich 10y agoThanks for this; I knew it from memory but web searched without success.
- nythrowaway 10y agocongrats! Anyone know how much the payoff for a standard dev at trello is in a deal like this?
- SBCRec 10y agoI love Trello! At one of my internships (Elec Engineering) with a mining company they used Trello to organize the majority of their work. After that experience I started using Trello to organize all my daily stuff. I had it to organise my book reading list, book purchase list, Quarterly and Yearly goals, Job application status, plan and execute on my thesis, assignments and side projects. I can't believe how much value it has provided me for free! It's good to see them get rewarded with a nice buyout.
- apapli 10y agoConfluence is starting to move in on SharePoint's turf, I've witnessed it first hand. The two products really don't compare, but for Digital teams who just want to get something going Confluence is way easier. I think this acquisition will add to the Confluence vs SharePoint story and make Atlassian more attractice. IF (it's a big if) Atlassian are planning to move into the intranet/productivity tools space this acquisition is really sensible.
- rednerrus 10y agoAtlassian tries to be too much to too many. They are going to ruin Trello. Checkout zenkit.com.
- barisser 10y agoGoliath Acquired David
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- nurettin 10y agoAtlassian has supported me with educational tools and discounts. Their git services and customer support has been the best for me and I became a paying customer. Glad they bought trello. I'm hoping they integrate it to the existing issue workflow and make it a better product than it is. And there is a good chance of that happening.
- mrmondo 10y agoSuch a shame, I wonder how long it will take Trello to turn into heavy 'enterprise' bloatware like the rest of said companies products. There are a few good open source alternatives out there now so I'll personally move to one of those.
- zoom6628 10y agoVery happy for the folks at Trello. Great outcome for a great tool. Seems lots of JIRA-haters in the comments but lets get back and look at this event. The folks at Fog Creek brought us FogBugz, Stackoverflow, Trello. We should celebrate their success because its events like this that create the motivation for some of us to go create something that "stands on their shoulders" or competes with them or creates some new paradigm of how tasks can be managed. Fog Creek is almost the ultimate startup - they keep it small, do things right, stick to their craft. What is the result? Regularly bring fantastic products to the world. Anybody contemplating how to get setup and run a software startup should start by reading most/all of joelonsoftware and then the later blogs about SO and Trello. Yes Im huge fan - because i applaud geeks that put heart and soul into their craft as well as running their business and getting great outcomes like this. Would love to see more of it. 0.2c
- solipsism 10y agoHmm... How long does a company have to be around until it's no longer considered a start-up?
- oblio 10y agoPlus Fog Creek is more on an anti-start-up since it explicitly did not want to grow fast at all costs. That's why Trello was spun off.
- dx034 10y agoDo all start ups have to grow at all costs? I know it's standard for most start-ups to accept as much VC money as possible and find ways to spend it, but there are also young companies that don't need VC money and are successful. Don't know why those shouldn't be start-ups.
- bobwaycott 10y agoPerhaps startups just have to look or be sexy to be startups. Successful and boring don't seem to get all the gushing press.
- jjking 10y agoJira is by far the worst and most convoluted application that I have used. It's slow a d very horribly designed that I even wonder if they did tgat on purpose. Heck you have to shell out $3000 for your team just to learn how to use it. Hopefully they'll leave Trello as it is.
- jjking 10y agoJira is by far the worst and most convoluted application that I have used. It's slow a d very horribly designed that I even wonder if they did tgat on purpose. Heck you have to shell out $3000 for your team just to learn how to use it. Hopefully they'll leave Trello as it is.
- 8bellyoctopus 10y agoScreen schemes, issue types and permission schemes. 10 years in Jira and more confusing by the day. Coming to a trello board near you!
- oliebol 10y agoIf I was the Atlassian CEO reading this thread, I'd be really worried. There are a lot of comments from developers with zero faith in Atlassian's ability to create (or even preserve) a great product.
- dirtyhenry 10y agoInteresting match. Trello is a lightweight/fast tool. Jira is quite the opposite. Where are they going to meet?
- AnnoyingSwede 10y agoNot the biggest fan of Atlassian (but an admin for 10 years). I am trying to figure out what product to use for project management, and what path Atlassian will take. They started with Jira Agile, which became Jira Software where you could plan agile sprints. Assuming this was the future i was a bit surprised to see Portfolio pop up, but i am assuming this project will be shut down at some point in favor of a new Trello for Jira? Or? We currently bought Softwareplants BigPicture & BigPicture Enterprise, but also played with TempoTeam Planner. I see both Trello and Atlassian's CEO being here, please let you loyal customers know what your intentions are so we can plan for our futures. To clarify: My largest fear is not that they screw up Trello, but that once more developing resources we pay ever doubling license-fees for will be reallocated to making sure Trello works well with the rest of the stack, and becomes a big seller. It's all about new bells and whistles with Atlassian, while we the end-users are begging for bugfixes or feature-requests for decades. This is clearly reflected in not patching bugs in current version but instead force users to upgrade, while sometimes losing functionality we loved just to keep the application safe. Jonas
- Flenser 10y agoI suspect this is as much about getting a dev center in New York, away from a tapped-out Sydney startup scene that is hostile to bringing in overseas talent, and having a brand with a reputation as a good employer; as it is about acquiring the IP or user-base.
- Kanbanchi 10y agoSeems like it's the right time when we have made an easy importing from Trello. Many people migrate to Kanbanchi.
- g105b 10y agoHow long until Atlassian acquire FogBUGZ?
- calypso 10y agoTrello is about to become an add-on for Jira that won't work 95% of the time and be jammed down your throat by a scrum master as the only tool for the job.
- george_swip 10y agoDon't sweat it. There are other services to migrate to. In my startup[1] we've added a quick Trello Migration in just a day. There is now a new market share to fight for [1]http://www.getswip.com http://www.getswip.com
- tzury 10y ago> $425M / 716 comments => $593,575 per comment
- Jean-Philipe 10y agoIs it just me, or does the price seem a bit low?
- yo-code-sucks 10y agoGuess we're closing our 200+ developer account, fuck atlassian, fuck Jira.