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I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

• mrpigeonpants 11y ago
  It just makes you reminisce back to a simpler time when you'd save all of your personal data and key logs to floppies and then mail 'em to Microsoft. Sigh...I can still smell the sharpie ink and wet postage drying on the back of a manila envelope.
• frogpelt 11y ago
  People want to be connected, join social networks, download apps, be able to control their appliances from across the ocean, carry devices loaded with sensors everywhere they go--and on top of all it, they want privacy. These are fun and interesting times.
  • venomsnake 11y ago
    PGP solves all of those. Encrypt on device and prevent the cloud operator of seeing anything.
    • ctdonath 11y ago
      IIRC, that's what Apple is trying to do: they'll provide all kinds of cloud services, but in a way that they know as little as possible about the content beyond what's vital to providing the relevant service. Apple is trying to sell hardware, which a robust encrypted cloud experience tied to that hardware will do. Microsoft is trying to make money from the operating system; since they're giving it away for free, they have to sell commercial access to third parties (ads in the Start menu? really?). Google, well, I assume they're out to mine as much data as possible, whether or not it's user-specific.
      • scholia 11y ago
        Not actually true. Windows 10 is not free, and Microsoft is not giving away the operating system. What Microsoft is doing is giving consumers a free upgrade on Win7/8 PCs where the operating system has already been paid for. This is basically the strategy already used by Apple and Google (Android): once you have bought the OS (bundled with the hardware) then you get updates free.
        • ctdonath 11y ago
          Except that Apple makes its money off hardware sales, and Google makes money off data mining ... for both, the operating system is just a means to an end, a cost center required to support the separate profit centers. Microsoft is, however, has the OS as its primary product.
          • Dylan16807 11y ago
            Doesn't matter. They make all their consumer money off of OEMs.
  • api 11y ago
    It could be done, but it would require a lot of hefty cryptography-centered engineering to implement zero-knowledge data sharing schemes, etc. Who's going to pay for that?
• moron4hire 11y ago
  This looks like all the same sort of stuff Google defaults you into on Android. I mean, not that it's any better because of that, but this is the state of things now. You're not going to find better unless you install FOSS. Unless you're ready to go full-in on one of the BSDs or a Linux-that-isn't-Ubuntu, navigating the waters of figuring out how to get a phone that has all the features you want with such an OS, figuring out how to do all the work you need to do, then you're in for a penny, in for a pound. Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, the FBI, NSA, CIA, DHS, they all have my data already. Thanks to OPM, the Russians and Chinese probably have my data now, too. What does it matter if Microsoft has it? They probably already have it. Maybe it's even better to make sure everyone has my data, rather than allowing it to be used as a competitive advantage by one or a small set of corporations. Cat's out of the bag. Horses have left the stable. Whatever other metaphors you want to throw in there. So decide, and decide now: either go full-in on FOSS, or shut up and eat your cookie. Otherwise, this exercise hasn't been about privacy, it's been about anti-Bill-Gates-and-Steve-Ballmer-Microsoft sentiment.
  • joosters 11y ago
    If there are reasonable opt-outs, then you can have your cake and eat it without jumping ship to Linux/FOSS. (And, to a lesser extent, you might face the same problems there, e.g. with Ubuntu) The problem is that with all platforms, the opt outs are hard to find and, even worse, hard to even know when the opt outs even exist.
    • pdkl95 11y ago
      Opting out still leaves all the non-technical people who don't know about or understand the opt-out to whatever abuse MS (et al) wants to put in the OS? Worse, you are still financially supporting these decisions by either buying the OS or adding to the usage counts. By "opting out" while still using the OS, you're still asking for more of this crap in the future.
  • rifung 11y ago
    Excuse me if I just don't fully comprehend your argument, but isn't FOSS an orthogonal issue to this? After all, even if software is open source, that doesn't stop it from mining your data. You just know that they are doing so. I suppose you can remove that feature, but it seems you're also able to disable the features here as well. In any case, I'm all for FOSS but it doesn't seem to be a solution to this problem, which admittedly, is not even really a problem to everyone.
• iambitjelly 11y ago
  I dont' know why so many people are surprised by the Cortana data vacuum. Doesn't Siri send everything you say to it to Apple or a "trusted partner"? Why would Cortana be any different? The keylogger and Start menu ads are just creepy though. I shouldn't have to opt-out of targeted ads INSIDE MY OS.
  • fuzzywalrus 11y ago
    MS seems in the mindset "Can't beat 'em, join 'em" as we're only In-App Purchases away from a freemium OS.
    • swashboon 11y ago
      Minesweeper and Solitaire are now freemium...
  • chadzawistowski 11y ago
    What do start menu ads look like?
    • jda0 11y ago
      A little "Recommended App" tile underneath your "Most Used" list.
      • chadzawistowski 11y ago
        That doesn't seem too invasive.
      • tychuz 11y ago
        I still have no idea what you all are talking about. After fresh install, my Start looks really barren, I'd even welcome these mythical ads... http://i.imgur.com/tdkFeiQ.png http://i.imgur.com/tdkFeiQ.png
        • chadzawistowski 11y ago
• jimrandomh 11y ago
  "Send typing and inking data to Microsoft to improve the recognition and suggestion platform" "Typing data" sounds like keylogging. If it's what it sounds like, that's really emphatically not okay; that would include all passwords and the contents of all emails sent. Would someone with actual knowledge care to chime in and say what data is actually sent? If it turns out that Windows 10 really is sending keystrokes to Microsoft by default, it seems likely to cause a significant backlash from Microsoft's business and government customers.
  • joosters 11y ago
    While it would be a little reassuring to find out what Windows 10 is currently sending, you should note that as the privacy agreement sounds like keylogging, Microsoft are claiming the right to start keylogging even if they don't quite do that now. Also, enterprise editions of Windows apparently have more opt-outs... regular editions cannot opt out of all data collection. (sorry, can't find the page that I read this on)
  • chc 11y ago
    Based on the wording, it sounds like it's autocomplete data — "I suggested this for what they typed or handwrote, but they chose this instead." If so, it probably wouldn't include passwords (since password fields intentionally disable this kind of feature), and it shouldn't include the full contents of emails, just telemetry on how they were typed. But Microsoft really ought to have explanations so we don't have to guess, and they ought to know that. I'm assuming this is on their itinerary and the documentation department is just lagging.
    • themeekforgotpw 11y ago
      > shouldn't include the full contents of emails, just telemetry on how they were typed. Can you explain how you got to this from what you asserted before? Autocomplete data should be more than enough to get that content.
  • edwhitesell 11y ago
    IE and other browsers configured to use Bing have done this for a while. I discovered it while packet sniffing for something else and seeing HTTP requests for the things I was typing in the Address Bar. I can't say I'm surprised, though saddened, to see this elsewhere in the OS.
• shomyo 11y ago
  Microsoft/NSA advocates ITT.
  • mejari 11y ago
    Is this really a helpful or reasonable comment?
• debacle 11y ago
  This is more of a rhetorical question, but why does every modern OS and browser need to try and become a computing leviathan? Why can't my hammer ever be happy just driving nails? I don't need a hammer that cooks waffles.
  • slg 11y ago
    I'll answer your rhetorical question with another one. When was the last time you paid for an upgraded hammer?
    • debacle 11y ago
      I haven't paid for a hammer since I was in college and Hammer XP was $5. I keep buying nails that come with Hammer Home Edition and setting up servers with Hammer LTS and replacing Hammer Explorer with HammerFox. All free. I'm not Microsoft's target client because I'm a pathological customer. Every home MS desktop user is a pathological customer. They know that.
      • hyperion_ 11y ago
        I think maybe you forgot a 'not' in there, assuming you wanted to disassociate yourself.
    • Dylan16807 11y ago
      As far as I can tell the main thing pushing people to pay to upgrade windows is when support runs out, not a desire for features. Far more people never consider it and just let their new faster computer have a different OS.
• skdd8 11y ago
  Linux 4 life!
• JoshTriplett 11y ago
  This goes along with the news that Windows 10 backs up your drive encryption key by default, and that Microsoft can use it to decrypt your data. In "good faith", of course.
  • MichaelGG 11y ago
    For most users, this protects them to a useful level. Most users don't think losing a password is a big deal and would be very upset to learn their data is lost because they forgot. That's an anti-feature. The number of people that'll be protected from leaving their laptop in a taxi, or home burglary, or selling/trading-in a device, or just snoopy relatives or acquaintances, etc. is large and MS absolutely made the right call here. Otherwise, you'd have "experts" giving advice to disable this feature or suffer data loss. Also, if they use OneDrive to back stuff up (like they should!), the security damage is already done as most juicy files will be unencrypted in MS's hosting and still subject to warrants.
    • JoshTriplett 11y ago
      > For most users, this protects them to a useful level. Most users don't think losing a password is a big deal and would be very upset to learn their data is lost because they forgot. That's an anti-feature. "Would you like to store a backup for your drive encryption password on Microsoft OneDrive? If you choose not to do so, and you forget your password, all of your data will be lost. [Yes/No]" And none of that warrants a ToS that says they can use that backup for anything other than helping you recover your data. > Also, if they use OneDrive to back stuff up (like they should!), the security damage is already done as most juicy files will be unencrypted in MS's hosting and still subject to warrants. Hence why client-side-encrypted backups are a good idea.
      • mejari 11y ago
        >"Would you like to store a backup for your drive encryption password on Microsoft OneDrive? If you choose not to do so, and you forget your password, all of your data will be lost. [Yes/No]" You know when most people care about whether or not they can recover their data? It's not when someone asks them a Yes/No question, it's when they can't recover their data. And responding with "Well, remember 2 years ago when you clicked 'No'?" Doesn't really help.
• sudioStudio64 11y ago
  Of course you did. Large companies have no vested interest in building systems that do the "right thing" for you as defined by tech types like us who are arguably more sensitive on this subject than most people. They are building services that take your information and try to do something interesting enough with it to make it worthwhile...and why is it on by default? Because they want to make money off of the new features and deep integration with your information. This isn't news. But it certainly may be another excuse to have the exact same conversation that nothing will come from. Never mind that data generated and collected from cell phone usage will always make the privacy impinging features of your laptop look tame in comparison. Never mind that the only way to stop companies from doing this is through the political processes that everyone seems to have written off. EDIT: Downvoting because someone disagrees with the principal argument of the post is lame. Cheers.
  • wvenable 11y ago
    > and why is it on by default? Because Cortana would be useless without it and that's a big user-facing feature of Windows 10.
    • JoshTriplett 11y ago
      Something like Cortana could have been built to work locally, using your own resources. But it wasn't. This was an opportunity to say "we're not like Siri and Google Now, we respect your privacy", but instead they built something just like them.
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        • mejari 11y ago
          You misread their comment
          • ethanbond 11y ago
• jarsin 11y ago
  This is why i think Tim Cook is genius for marketing Apple as the anti "We sell all your data and spy on you" companies.
  • cptskippy 11y ago
    Apple just spies on you, they're vertically integrated so there's no need to sell the data.
    • arrrg 11y ago
      What’s their motive? What’s their pay-off? Where is their benefit in that?
      • cptskippy 11y ago
        All of these companies capture the data to improve their recognition, heuristics, and machine learning algorithms. The pay off is that their services are vastly improved. Ever wonder how Google was able to catch up and perhaps surpass Microsoft, IBM, and everyone else in the Voice Recognition field so quickly? It wasn't because they came up with some revolutionary algorithm overnight. It was because they very quickly amassed an archive of transcribed audio samples. How did they do that? Very cleverly with Google 411. If you ever used Google 411 you might have noticed it worked slightly differently from regular 411. You spoke your query, the voice recognition software spoke back what it thought you said and asked if that was correct. If you said no, or it couldn't understand your reply, it connected you to an operator who first listened to what you'd said and then repeated the confirmation process with you again whilst inputting what you actually said into the system. This created a transcribed audio sample that Google could use as a test case for their voice recognition software. This allowed them to iterate much faster than other companies.
    • blkhp19 11y ago
      How do they spy on you? There's no suspicious network traffic leaving my Mac. They might collect info about Siri queries or downloaded apps, but they're certainly not logging keystrokes from OS X or iOS.
• task_queue 11y ago
  The idea of an operating system integrating with services like that still bothers me even though it is done in Mac OS X and Ubuntu.
  • georgerobinson 11y ago
    I could not agree more. I run Fedora on my desktop, and iOS and OS X on my iPhone and MacBook respectively. When I read posts like this, I can't help but think "How long will it be until I'm unable to do any compute without being tied to an online account?". Most people (including myself) have no idea what is going on in their smartphone, tablet or desktop PC. I can trust Fedora somewhat more, but as an exercise, leave tcpdump running on your OS X device and the amount of non-local network chatter is unbelievable. Furthmore, why is it when you delete a photo from your iPhone it can persist on iCloud for up to 30 days? Likewise, why is it when I restore my iPhone and set it up from scratch it starts to download 100MB + of data over WiFi? [1] [1]. When I setup my iPhone from scratch (Apple ID, iCloud disabled), it hammered my WiFi at the full RX rate of my DSL line for approx. 10 minutes. That's 4Mbps * 60 * 10 = 2400Mbits = 300MB. I made sure that my iPhone was the only device connected to my WiFi. What could be in that 300MB of data? I should proxy all traffic from my WiFi to my DSL modem via another PC and do tcpdump on that!
  • wvenable 11y ago
    I use a local account on Windows 8 (which is pretty much configured to run like Windows 7) but that completely keeps me from being able to use the Windows Store and therefore any of those universal apps. I'm sure if I choose the same option in Windows 10 a large part of the OS will be completely closed off.
    • moron4hire 11y ago
      Not that you're missing out, not being able to access the universal apps. Hell, Skype even pulled a 180, got rid of their universal app and went back to regular, ol' desktop apps.
      • mynameisvlad 11y ago
• wvenable 11y ago
  I don't intend on leaving any of these on when I install Windows 10 but some of these seem to correspond directly with the whole "Cortana as personal assistant" thing. And there is whole separate system for controlling what Cortana knows about you.
  • gvb 11y ago
    See also "Killing Cortana: How to disable Windows 10's info-hungry digital assistant" http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949759/windows/killing-cortana-how-to-disable-windows-10s-info-hungry-digital-assistant.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949759/windows/killing-corta...
• graycat 11y ago
  Okay. Good to know. So, when I decide to upgrade from Windows XP, I will install the legal DVD I have of Windows 7 and stay with that for years! No Windows 8, 10, etc. for me until Microsoft makes some fantastically strong and solid statements about compatibility with old software, security, and privacy.
  • ubercow13 11y ago
    >security Can someone still using XP really claim to care about security?
  • username 11y ago
    > when I decide to upgrade from Windows XP Oh no.
  • theg2 11y ago
    Worried about security and privacy...yet still uses Windows XP?
    • userbinator 11y ago
      Are people actually believing Microsoft's FUD? The "security" of newer Windows is mostly anti-user, anti-freedom. XP doesn't enforce code signing, and SFP is only advisory, so you can run whatever you want, hack and customise the OS code easily to get it to behave how you want. Most of the exploits that gave XP a bad name in the early days were from IE in its default configuration, which basically no one on XP will be using now. It takes time to get bugs get discovered and fixed. There's a lot of new code in these newer versions and I bet they'll be uncovering more bugs in it as time goes on, some of which won't be applicable to XP because the code isn't even present. As for "privacy"... XP most certainly does not phone home with anywhere near the amount of info that Win10 collects, as this article shows. I'd be more inclined to say "Worried about security and privacy...but still wants to upgrade to Windows 10?" My next jump after XP will likely be some form of Linux with WINE - with everything that can phone home removed.
    • graycat 11y ago
      It looks like Windows users are not welcome on HN.
• CSDude 11y ago
  Upon seeing these options in the installation, I thought I downloaded beta version that needs these for feedbacks Realizing I have installed retail version, I regretted my decision now I will read the all EULA for the firet time in my lifetime to see what it gets without asking. And probably I will just keep windows for games only.
  • coldpie 11y ago
    Are the games really worth it? There's a lot of games out there. You can live with missing a few Windows-exclusive titles.
    • rifung 11y ago
      Are most games on OS X too? The last time I checked the majority of games were not on Linux.
      • hyperion_ 11y ago
        The general lack of games for OS X and Linux these days is pretty much exclusive to the AAA games. There has been some focus on porting older games to OS X and Linux in the past year or two, so the situation is constantly improving. If you mainly play AAA games, then you're stuck with Windows, but there are definitely some good games out there right now for non-Windows users.
    • outworlder 11y ago
      A FEW? Games that run on OSX and Linux are the exception. Granted, there are now very high quality offers unheard of in the past (Kerbal Space Program, to mention one). If you are on OSX, you have access to a bigger selection of games (Elite: Dangerous, for instance, or EVE Online - both using Wine). On Linux, good luck. Steam improved things a little, but it's still an oasis in the wasteland. AAA games are still mostly locked to Windows.
      • touristtam 11y ago
        "Just" need to convince devs to port their code to yet another platform ..... sic. Let's see how long MSFT and Valve can pretend they cannot get along.
• godgod 11y ago
  Microsoft is in bed with the NSA and could care less about the privacy of end users. I would argue they develop cloud technologies for the sole purpose of pleasing the goons in surveillance state. They want your data...all of it.
• akash_m 11y ago
  Also if you use Cortana, its default settings are sending MSFT location history, search history etc. I turned it off on Edge as well as by default.
• ewzimm 11y ago
  Windows is now essentially a personalized, cloud-based operating system with the primary interface as a personal assistant, so I expected to see all these things as defaults. The advanced features just couldn't work without it. I'm glad there's at least an opt-out, but I do think that Windows needs an OS-wide incognito mode, just a simple switch to record or not record data. I generally use that on my browser for when I hand my laptop to someone else and don't want their activity polluting my history, but now there's the risk of the entire OS learning someone else's habits when they just need to use the computer and don't want to log in. Sometimes, guest accounts are too restrictive. I do like having the option of a personalized experience, and Microsoft is generally one of the most restrictive companies when it comes to sharing data. With their push toward more personal cloud services, I hope they will take special care to maintain that record, although everyone knows that certain groups like government have ways of getting whatever they want if it's available. Hopefully, some of the fine-grained permissions of Windows Phone will soon carry over to the unified platform for those who want it, but either way, I would still do any especially sensitive work on Debian or a similar system.
  • Kenji 11y ago
    but now there's the risk of the entire OS learning someone else's habits when they just need to use the computer They already do pollute the OS history with their behaviours. Examples would be the DNS cache, the thumbnail database and the temp directory. Most people just don't know about these or look at them. But they can be very revealing. The problem I have is that the OS is so ready to upload things. I don't want my OS to upload anything at all, unless I command it to do so.
  • bargl 11y ago
    I've been waiting for this comment, I can see how the first set of customization options really seem like they'd help with the personal assistant. It would be interesting to get a full audit of where your data goes and what they can use it for (training your personal assistant, improving their algorithms, responding to Govt data requests, improving ads, etc). As for incognito, can you sign into windows as guest now? Or even have multiple accounts on the same pc? If so you could create a guest/dummy account if you are interested in giving the personal assistant pure data.
• kabdib 11y ago
  All obtainable with a subpoena, I would imagine. No way.
  • api 11y ago
    MS is so aggressively international, I can imagine that they might cave to subpoenas from other governments. So now my home country plus at least the rest of the G8 can request my data. Nope.
• aluhut 11y ago
  I like how they put that "Customize Settings" Link down there. I missed it the first time I did it completely. Nice job design devils.
  • nsns 11y ago
    How exactly did we reach a stage when this is acceptable behavior for respectable company? Such shady practices should have never become mainstream.
    • saiya-jin 11y ago
      it is not acceptable, just some people here favor their little convenience (ie saying something instead of few taps on screen) over long term privacy. heck, some even defend targeted ads. Sad thing is, mainstream users won't even know about these things coming. what i like about the situation - it might actually make some bigger organizations turn away from what MS can offer. biggest issue are usually Win-only or IE-only intranet apps, but with proper management steering, changes (in the way technology for apps is chosen) can be done. Now just to have proper substitute for Active directory, and it's game over for their OS there.
• hafichuk 11y ago
  They can technically do anything they want with the input you provide. Personally I would never trust an opaque operating system even if they provided clear details as to what the configuration options are and how they are used.
• mahouse 11y ago
  I'm not sure, but I think Windows 8 had the same options and they were on by default too.
• dimino 11y ago
  I'll bet everything in my pocket that Windows 10 does not keylog every stroke and send it back to Microsoft servers for storage. It's intellectually dishonest to think that's what s going on, because it ruins the conversation about what they're actually doing.
  • jblow 11y ago
    Whether they don't right this second doesn't matter. Their terms of service say they can. If they decided it was unthinkable that they would ever do this, they could have written their TOS to be less overreaching. But they didn't do that. Therefore they think it's a possibility (if in fact they are not already doing it. Are you so sure? How do you know?)
    • dimino 11y ago
      They also didn't specifically preclude the possibility of commandeering my computer by pushing an update that'll force me to mine bitcoin for them, but I can be pretty damn sure that's not going to happen. But let me rephrase anyway: I'll bet everything in my pocket that Windows 10 does not, nor will they ever, keylog every stroke and send it back to Microsoft servers for storage. I can be sure of this the same way I'm sure about many other things I have no definite proof of -- I see nothing remotely resembling evidence that this might take place.
      • Dylan16807 11y ago
        The license agreement should be set up such that installing a bitcoin miner is not allowed despite not being explicitly mentioned. Same for key logging. Companies need to get out of the habit of writing terms of service that permit the world.
      • touristtam 11y ago
        Windows 10's Term & Condition is wide enough to encompass what ever MSFT might come up in the future to track and catalog you as a good, willing, consumer. MSFT has stated that Windows 10 should be the last version of the OS in the current retail format, and therefore, technically, any update/upgrade will still be considered as Windows 10. MSFT might not want to log everything you write on their OS, but who knows what they will deemed acceptable tomorrow under the same EULA?
• brudgers 11y ago
  Microsoft's privacy policy reflects the fact that Microsoft has to comply with the most conservative interpretation of the most restrictive privacy regulations from the set of all privacy regulations found anywhere in the world. It amounts to "Microsoft does not guarantee privacy." The reason is that Microsoft cannot make such a guarantee because of the diversity and strength of privacy regulations. I'm not saying that strong privacy regulations are a bad thing or that Microsoft's policy is a good thing. Just that Microsoft's policy reflects reality where competitors and activists and politicians are inclined to use privacy regulations for purposes orthogonal to any actual concern about privacy. The connected world is full of caches and Microsoft does not control them. Users can do stupid things that Microsoft cannot prevent. Agree with the terms and use Windows. Don't use Windows if you disagree. The website hosting the blog runs google-analytics by default. It doesn't ask my permission. It runs Disqus by default. It doesn't ask my permission. The privacy badger ate too many cookies and died years ago. Microsoft is late to the wake.
• contravariant 11y ago
  This might be the first time you'll need a firewall to protect yourself from internal attacks by the OS itself. I don't think I'll be updating to windows 10 any time soon.
• pdkl95 11y ago
  https://projectbullrun.org/surveillance/2015/video-2015.html#balkan https://projectbullrun.org/surveillance/2015/video-2015.html... Of course MS wants to get in on surveillance-as-a-business-model. It keeps people tied to your Service as a Software Substitute, and as long long as most people are still ignorant about how technology works, they won't notice how the stalker-like nature of a lot of modern soft^H^H^H^Hmalware. As for the few nerds that notice, they can probably be shut up with an obscure option to disable (most of?) the data collection; the number of people that even know the option exists will be insignificant. Some of those nerds can even be distracted with promises of "open" access (to our proprietary APIs we can remove or change without notice); if you phrase it right, it can even sound like "open" is referring to the commons. After a while, some of them may even build entire businesses based on feeding user surveillance data upstream. After a generation, the days of being able to write client software will be long forgotten. -- The ongoing Theft Of Privacy (and the closely related The War On General Purpose Computing) are being fought, and this brazen behavior by Microsoft to take advantage user ignorance is taking yet another step down a dark path. Which side are you going to be on? The side that is trying to maintain the remains of our privacy, an open internet, and free computing? The apathetic side that fixes technical problems for themselves, while everybody else gets spied upon a little bit more while their tools become even more removed from their control? I hope you enjoy the consequences of rewarding this kind of behavior. Why should Microsoft (or anybody else) change when they still get paid and maintain their user-count? Or are you the apparatchik, who thinks Cortana (or Alexa, or Siri, ... or Google Analytics) is a useful, cool piece of software? Surely the Big Data being collected is just going to be used for the stated purposes and could never have a noxious effect on users or become an attractive target for hackers or governments? If you're in this category, you might just want to start paying attention to the larger games being played, because if you don't start fighting for your future others may take it from you.
  • mikegioia 11y ago
    I spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about this very issue, and I must go back and forth weekly. My first reaction is to want to defend the ignorant, to try to educate them and work to protect them from being taken advantage of. But when you talk to people about it, _their_ apathy and indifference is what leads me to stop caring. I've tried for years to educate friends, family, and coworkers on digital privacy. The number of people who have even installed and used a password manager is 0. If it's a struggle to even get someone to try out, let alone USE DAILY a password manager, what hope does anyone have to elicit a privacy-aware mentality from the general population? Why work to help people who do not even want to be helped?
• lewisl9029 11y ago
  This was also recently brought to my attention: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9973629 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9973629 Windows 10 RTM has peer to peer updates over the internet as the default. I could swear it defaulted to local-only in the preview, so I didn't even check it until now after doing a clean install of RTM.
  • nhf 11y ago
    P2P by default except on the enterprise edition, in which case it's local network only. They also claim to disable P2P if they detect your internet connection is metered (I'm not sure how that's done).
    • lewisl9029 11y ago
      That makes sense. I was using enterprise edition in the insider program, but clean installed the professional edition RTM. This is still a really bad default for the majority of users though... Metered connections are a per-network setting that you have to set manually, not something they detect automatically. I highly doubt most users will be able to discover this feature since it's buried rather deeply in network settings.
    • frik 11y ago
      My internet connection has been very slow today. I suspect a lot of Windows 7/8 users got their Win10 upgrade over P2P.
  • nhf 11y ago
    P2P by default except on the enterprise edition, in which case it's local network only. They also claim to disable P2P if they detect your internet connection is metered (I'm not sure how that's done).
• jwalton 11y ago
  As I noted here: http://www.thedreaming.org/201.. http://www.thedreaming.org/201... you shuld also go to "Settings" -> "Accounts" -> "Sync your Settings" and turn off Password syncing, which is enabled by default. I would hope that passwords are encrypted with my Microsoft account password (and I would further hope that only a hash of this password is stored on Microsoft servers) but no where is any of this explained. There's a "How does sync work" link at the top of the page, but clicking on it takes you to a Bing search which explains how to turn syncing on and off.
• codeshaman 11y ago
  I've never understood how people can truly believe that by checking (or unchecking) a checkbox their privacy will be fully protected. Especially since we're talking about a closed-source OS. I mean I cannot possibly verify what exactly goes on in the annals of the operating system and what happens to my data, where it is logged and where it is stored and how it is sent. So regardless of the settings, I always assume that my data is logged and read by some creepy agent in the Ministry of Truth. If it's not, then I'm just lucky. Having grown up in a totalitarian state, that's the default way I think about this stuff and no amount of promises (except the source code which I can personally compile) can make me trust any 3rd party corporation.
  • emerongi 11y ago
    An OS which doesn't have any checkboxes at all could do this too. Do you trust an OS without any checkboxes?
    • quadrangle 11y ago
      The OP was clearly saying that you should never trust any proprietary OS. Period.
  • nsns 11y ago
    What's more, opting out essentially marks you as more interesting to spy on.
  • KeytarHero 11y ago
    > I've never understood how people can truly believe that by checking (or unchecking) a checkbox their privacy is fully protected. You mean besides the fact that collecting personal data without your consent is illegal?
    • drjesusphd 11y ago
      How quaint.
    • fiblye 11y ago
• ino 11y ago
  Apple must have known this a few months back and the result was their privacy centric marketing campaign.
• djloche 11y ago
  Wi-Fi Sense is a huge security hole, and even if you don't have windows 10, if anyone you trust with access to your network upgrades to windows 10, that person becomes a security problem for you. Obvious solution is to use a strong generated string for your password (so even if they get your password, they're not getting the password to anything else), and then configure your router to require each device connecting to be authenticated. Whitelist for MAC addresses + GPG + ?
  • urda 11y ago
    You're just wasting your energy if you setup MAC Whitelisting and think that's going to help at all with security.
    • touristtam 11y ago
      Please explain? I am genuinely curious of knowing how that would not help security wise (apart from the very obvious MAC spoofing).
  • drdaeman 11y ago
    Hm. I'm genuinely curious - does it share passwords (as typed in) or actual PSKs? That is, if I'd only let guests with Windows 10 to access network using WPS, would Wi-Fi Sense send negotiated secret or not? (I suppose WPA2-EAP-PSK should also be an option - IIRC Windows supports 802.1x auth and I doubt they share those passwords... although not many SOHO routers know anything about RADIUS)
• sb057 11y ago
  The most troubling part is "Telemetry", which only Enterprise edition clients can disable completely.
• bronlund 11y ago
  I hope governments are starting to understand what they have gotten themselves into by using this crap. Microsoft should be banned from all public offices :D
• tobias3 11y ago
  I lost trust into Microsoft when they put an "Outlook" app into the Android app store, which when connected to an Exchange server downloads all the account messages and calendar data to a cloud server (probably in order to have push messages whithout changing Exchange itself). Really Microsoft, why do you think I have an Exchange server. Because it is easy to set up, administer and costs nothing?
• chx 11y ago
  You are worried your data is sent to MS and sold to advertisers? All your personal data has already been stolen by foreign hackers so why worry? Privacy is already dead. We would need to rethink an awful lot of things to get it back.
  • pluma 11y ago
    > foreign hackers Don't drink the Kool-Aid.
• wahsd 11y ago
  "trusted partners" including every single American intelligence agency and whatever despotic and totalitarian regime we happen to be supporting at any given moment. I guess that "free" upgrade business model includes harvesting data globally to sell to surveillance state agencies through round-about ways <cough> palantir <cough>
• omarforgotpwd 11y ago
  Imagine if you discovered an exploit for TLS and just listened in on a public / hotel network to tons of Windows machines sending keystrokes, calendar, contacts, etc to Microsoft in the background... At least in the Windows 95 days you had to write the key logger yourself and get it installed somehow.
  • ChristianBundy 11y ago
    > an exploit for TLS The world would end immediately.
    • omarforgotpwd 11y ago
      Exploits for popular SSL libraries are discovered all the time. Surely you haven't already forgotten about "heartbleed" and the vulnerabilities that followed. I'm sure the NSA knows of several other exploits that they are keeping quiet so they can keep using it, and they may even attempt to deliberately introduce vulnerabilities. Furthermore, even without an exploit TLS connections can be decrypted by anyone with a trusted CA private key that can issue certificates. Connections could be decrypted plausibly by privileged employees of ANY certificate authority, disgruntled government officials that can compel those CAs to turn over keys, etc. I know you're just joking (and I even laughed) but it's worth pointing out that the scenario I describe is very realistic.
      • insoluble 11y ago
        > Connections could be decrypted ... This is only true using a man-in-the-middle from the initiation of the connection. SSL/TLS sends random PKI keys at the start of a connection. The trusted CA keys are used only for identity (so you know you are really connected to xyz.com). After all, you can have SSL/TLS connections without a trusted CA. It basically works like this: When you make an SSL/TLS connection, each side generates a random keypair, whereafter each sends its public key to the other side. Using these public keys, each side sends a new random symmetric key back again to the other side, whereafter the actual data transmission begins.
• switch007 11y ago
  Shouldn't Windows at this stage just fork and split in to two? One can be the dumping ground of all kind of social/phone/tablet crap where consumers sign away their unborn children, and the other for businesses and people that want to get stuff done?
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• natmaster 11y ago
  I find it shocking how people readily accept Google's far worse policies, and yet are so concerned about an easy opt out. For instance, in Android, Google tracks with GPS accuracy your whereabouts constantly. This isn't just what IP your desktop is attached to. Furthermore, there is no prompt telling you this happens with a very easy way of undoing. In fact even if you knew about this it is very hard to find a way to disable. Secondly, Chrome send every website you visit to their servers to be logged. Again, this is not explained in some easy opt-out screen and in fact the only way to get around this is to use SRWare Iron, where they removed that code. But Microsoft makes it easy for you to choose the privacy options even telling you about them on install.
  • revanx_ 11y ago
    phone tracking and triangulation always existed, even before Google. Honestly you can't compare Google to Microsoft.
  • vladsanchez 11y ago
    Exactly! All what jonathan porta wanted was attention. I noticed the same he noticed, but I instead disabled them and moved on. He instead created a shitstorm for nothing.
  • hahainternet 11y ago
    > Google's far worse policies While I don't disagree that Google does consume a lot of user data, I'm pretty sure most of these are opt in or at least explained fairly up-front, and that their resultant policies are no worse than Microsoft's. Can you give an example of where their policies are clearly worse?
    • natmaster 11y ago
      Read more than the first sentence?
  • QUFB 11y ago
    > Secondly, Chrome send every website you visit to their servers to be logged. Again, this is not explained in some easy opt-out screen and in fact the only way to get around this is to use SRWare Iron, where they removed that code. Citation?
• outworlder 11y ago
  Some of these are scary. But sending to M$ what I'm typing? That's the exact definition of a keylogger - it's straight up bundled malware.
• animex 11y ago
  "You" are the product now.
• animex 11y ago
  You are the product now.
• Supersaiyan_IV 11y ago
  As a Windows Insider that has helped Microsoft squash bugs the last few months you must realize that sending bug report data is ridiculously important. Especially on a rolling-release model that this has become.
• mappu 11y ago
  Hijacking this thread - if anyone used the official media creation tool to get a x86_64 Professional ISO, can you please post MD5/SHA1 hashes? Mine don't match anything on google.
  • acqq 11y ago
    https://techjourney.net/download-official-windows-10-iso-via-usb-dvd-media-creation-tool-without-product-key/ https://techjourney.net/download-official-windows-10-iso-via... "Note that the file hashes (CRC32, SHA1, MDA and etc.) for Windows 10 ISO images created by Media Creation Tool are unique as time stamps and other factors are different for each computers."
    • ionised 11y ago
      So basically they're saying there are no file hashes for you to check, because the only way to download an ISO is through the Media Creation Tool. I don't know why they don't just let you download the ISO directly without some pointless middle-man downloader tool.
      • acqq 11y ago
        The tool doesn't just download some ISO, it actually downloads a lot of different files and then transforms the content it downloaded using the user's CPU and resources, producing the wim files that would finally go to the media. Why, I don't know.
• mc808 11y ago
  Besides the fact that you can't turn off automatic updates (which makes Windows little more than a zombie node in Microsoft's vast botnet), the default setting is also to "send updates to ... PCs on my local network, and PCs on the Internet." Similar for the defaults in Windows Defender.
• systemz 11y ago
  Microsoft can't lock-in user to OS because most of the apps are now multiplatform so they are locking-in to their services and profiting from big data. EU will take a look on those practices soon :)
• vladsanchez 11y ago
  I noticed too but I disabled them all. Didn't you notice that?
• radley 11y ago
  I saw this earlier on Twitter via @adrianchm. Win 10 includes keylogger setting, auto-re-opt-in malware protection, no opt-out for updates, and ADS in the start screen: http://prntscr.com/7ykzbh http://prntscr.com/7ykzbh
• oneJob 11y ago
  some copy from Microsofts "The Future Starts Now" campaign: "<p><i>Learning and growing with you - The more personal experience of Windows 10 includes Cortana, your truly personal assistant. Cortana works across all of your Windows 10 devices to learn your preferences, offer suggestions, set reminders, play your music, answer questions and more. Welcome to a future with Windows 10. It can recognize you, respond to you and even learn with you. So you can create and share in ways you never thought possible. Now is the time to do great things. #Windows10</i></p>"^[1] It's not like it's hidden in their terms and conditions. And, bluntly, I'm assuming many people reading this are working on similar technology for smaller companies. But, to paraphrase Nick Naylor in 'Thank You For Smoking', you just need to pay the mortgage, right? Additionally, the conversation on this page seems to betray that most of us didn't read the memo that the concept of privacy has changed and now no longer includes concepts like, "You only get to know things about me that I disclose to you." That has now transformed into what might be captured in the sentiment, "You may not use what you know about me in any way explicitly disallowed by the terms & conditions". I can't find it now, but back in the day, wayyyy back, Brin and Page made the argument that one day people would trust their personal information to companies the same way that they trust their money with banks. This is that vision realized. [1] http://blog.pcm.com/2015/07/29/windows-10-the-future-starts-now/ http://blog.pcm.com/2015/07/29/windows-10-the-future-starts-...
• niyogi 11y ago
  It's too bad that microsoft continues to be villainized when companies like Facebook and Google have social networks and browsers respectively that have similar practices that users are even more unaware of when they use them. Computers these days have become thin clients for browsers (especially for the typical consumer). Except for the occasional open of Word or Excel, you're in your web browser browsing the web and have a tab open for Facebook. With new features like "sign into your browser" or ad retargeting across the sites you visit today, consumers are already being subjected to practices that Microsoft at least gives you the ability to turn off piecemeal if you so wish. They're just doing so at the operating system layer instead of the browser. Think doing so at the operating system is more criminal than at the web browser or website level? Consider that Google Chrome is moving to become "Chromebooks" and that Android integrates Google Search. It's already happening and we take Google's "don't be evil" mantra for face value while continuing to poke Microsoft out of sheer habit.
  • twerkmonsta 11y ago
    Facebook and Google don't log all of my keystrokes across my entire operating system. As far as I know, Google doesn't even log keystrokes within the browser.
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    • niyogi 11y ago
      How do you believe auto-suggest works?
      • twerkmonsta 11y ago
        Auto-suggest in the address bar? That's a far cry from logging every keystroke I make in the entire browser.
      • neuronic 11y ago
        Leprechauns, consulting an oracle, and simultaneously typing at Google HQ.
• ergest 11y ago
  I'm sticking with Windows 7 until Windows 15
  • saiya-jin 11y ago
    you mean the next version after 10, when they get things right again? nah, I'll skip to version 23, or 42 to be sure (but they might screw their new feces sampling API to be little too intrusive for my taste...)
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• Animats 11y ago
  It looks like Microsoft has installed the "back door" that FBI Director Comey wanted.[1][2] That may be the real motivation behind these "features". The "backing up" of the local drive encryption key to Microsoft servers is one of the things the FBI specifically asks for. Any press reading this, ask Microsoft what communications they've had with the FBI regarding backdoors. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/08/fbi-chief-backdoor-access-encryption-isis http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/08/fbi-chief-... [2] http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/16/fbi-director-attacks-tech-companies-encryption http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/16/fbi-director-...
  • alyx 11y ago
    I get this whole skepticism thing, but Microsoft has been backing up BitLocker keys in OneDrive since at least Windows 8. I have personally used the feature several times to recover my drive keys. There's no evidence here that Microsoft has installed a "back door" for the FBI.
    • shabbyrobe 11y ago
      Would you assume that they haven't and trust your secrets to that assumption?
      • sudioStudio64 11y ago
        And what secrets are those? If you think that you are secure because you don't use bitlocker or windows AND THAT'S ALL that you do...you aren't secure, you just have bad UI.
        • clessg 11y ago
          I might be blind, but where was that assertion made?
          • sudioStudio64 11y ago
• joering2 11y ago
  The little four-squares icon that popped up few weeks go on my Windows 7 desktop notification zone, spamming me with messages to update for free to Win10, cannot be uninstalled, is deeply rooted into parts of OS Win7 through KB updates and crashes at least twice a day. With hibernated computer, it somehow forces LAN to awake, as a result blu-screening otherwise perfectly well hibernated session. For this reasons alone, I think Win7 will be my most loved and probably last version of Windows I will ever use.
• sharjeel 11y ago
  ReactOS suddenly makes a lot of sense to me now!
• ackalker 11y ago
  I think it is about time that we (the users) reclaim the right to our data and what we do with it. Never since the days of mainframes and timesharing have we been turning over so much of our (personal) data and the processing of it to third-party, centralized servers. Our computers are starting to look like nothing more than fancy graphics terminals, just a few steps up from the VT100's of yore. It's about time we start doing something about this.
• JimmaDaRustla 11y ago
  Said this in another thread: Not sure what the fuss is about, the same old rule applies: if you want your data to be private, don't use any form of cloud services - server based voice/video chat, cloud storage services (google drive, skydrive, icloud), digital assistants (siri, cortana, google now), any contextual based delivered services which "learns" anything about you to provide you with any form of automated and/or dynamic experience. If you want to be treated like you live in a box, then you're going to have to live by it. Everyone complaining and "fed up", closing their MSDN accounts, boycotting MSFT products - you're in an echo chamber which won't be heard as our devices become more service oriented rather than boxed solutions. MSFT is trying to stay relevant, not undermine their massive user base. Whether it is right or wrong, I don't have an opinion on, but if you think MSFT is a pioneer in this space, you're being unjustly biased. I guess the only thing we can complain about is that we aren't given a "closed/boxed" solution and able to accept the TOS to services we want on an adhoc basis - we have to go and disable services and hope that the TOS we agreed to needn't apply. Perhaps these are growing pains for the direction services are heading because we shouldn't have to accept invasion of privacy as a default.
• Encosia 11y ago
  Am I the only one seeing the irony in a speculative post about privacy on a site that uses Google Analytics and Disqus?
• sudioStudio64 11y ago
  Well, today was the day. I finally got my fill of this site. Thanks for the memories HN, but this just isn't worth it. I could have been coding. From now on I will be. Adieu.
• leeleelee 11y ago
  May I ask...to those who are so deeply opposed to sharing your personal data with corporations and their partners: Let's assume, worst case scenario -- you enable every single data sharing option on your Android phone as well as let's say, Windows desktop. And you use chrome browser, logged in, etc. All the time. Now, the question is: explain to me, what you expect to be the negative outcome and how it affects your daily life. I am genuinely curious. Or is this just a fear of the unknown and projecting into the future all of the bad things that may happen (or also may not)?
  • pjc50 11y ago
    It's rather like stopping paying for your health (or other) insurance. If I don't have it, it probably has no effect on my daily life. All the things I need it for are things that may happen in the future. Information once leaked is very hard to recover and may have a deleterious effect on your career. Just ask Hulk Hogan.
• gowthamgts12 11y ago
  Nice one pal.
• bwesk 11y ago
  Windows 8 suddenly turns out to be the best OS Microsoft ever made.
  • larrymcp 11y ago
    Friend, I humbly submit that XP was their best.
• BuckRogers 11y ago
  I have a 2nd partition with Windows 7 on my desktop, but I run UbuntuMATE (in Redmond panel mode) 99% of the time. I don't think I'm going to update from 7 to 10 anymore, just don't see the point with this and the hardware lock-in. I like my real license that I already have. If I make any changes to my system I'll probably delete UbuntuMATE and Win7 and just run Mint. Seems really slick and mostly respects the user. Just despise those notification catchers in most distros like Mint. UM in Redmond mode is the only one that just flashes the taskbar icon upon notifications, which makes perfect sense to me. Less to manage/check on.
• lnanek2 11y ago
  Would be nice if he even tried to lookup what these things are used for. It is well known things like OneNote let you search handwritten notes, for example, using fuzzy logic and context. So it is a clear benefit to users. Instead he seemed to just hand wave something negative about each. Similarly, MS originally defaulted to not allowing cross site advertising identifiers by default and was criticized by organizations that make their money off this like Google and Firefox. Seems like they can't win no matter which default they pick.
• sillygeese 11y ago
  > I am pretty surprised by the far-reaching data collection that Microsoft seems to want. But, I am even more surprised by the fact that the settings all default to incredibly intrusive. I can't see why anyone would be surprised anymore. This has been going on for years now.
• giancarlostoro 11y ago
  Too much conspiracy, but how we all wish it was just theories.
• prapam2 11y ago
  Didn't Microsoft run ads on Google collection personal information. Now they are doing the same!
  • gillianseed 11y ago
    Yep, 'Scroogled' they called it.
• SlashmanX 11y ago
  Why isn't more being made of the fact that on default Windows 10 installs, it will automatically connect you to open WiFi hotspots? That is a MAJOR security risk and yet not 1 single comment here about it
• userbinator 11y ago
  Someone I know who has been in the cracking/warez scene for over 20 years, and did a lot of analysis on the XP activation scheme when it first came out, had this to say about Windows 10 and the trend in general: Remember Gates said, about piracy "we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade"? It is happening now. And lots of other software/service are becoming "free" or massive discount, since selling your data is much more profit. Crack was about using software without paying money. Maybe in future it will be without paying with personal data or privacy. We will find a way, always. :-)
  • bgroins 11y ago
    What he actually said: http://www.cnet.com/news/gates-buffett-a-bit-bearish/ http://www.cnet.com/news/gates-buffett-a-bit-bearish/ Gates shed some light on his own hard-nosed business philosophy. "Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but people don't pay for the software," he said. "Someday they will, though. As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
• Aoyagi 11y ago
  Everyone is ignoring the biggest problem: "apps" everywhere! (this message was brought to you by someone who earns money through language)
• awalGarg 11y ago
  I am pretty much a noob at Windows (linux guy here) :P, but what kind of personalization does windows offer from this data? And is that personalization possible with client side processing only?
• arm 11y ago
  If these are still the defaults for the $199 boxed version of Windows 10 Pro (including all the things like ads in the OS), I’ll be pretty disappointed. OS X is free as well (and has been for years), but Apple hasn’t pulled crap like putting ads in the OS (probably at least partly because it’s nontrivial to run OS X without buying Apple hardware… all the more reason to be disappointed if Microsoft still includes tracking and ad crap when you’re actually paying for the OS).
• gillianseed 11y ago
  Incredible, how does this all fit with Microsoft's 'Scroogled' campaign ?
• CyberX 11y ago
  Microsoft Windows 10 invasion . Yes like Matrix, The Terminator . Wowww stop, not is the right way. I think that Microsoft are crazy to think that can control the pcs of users because launch Windows 10 upgrade for free. Tks Microsoft for the upgrade, but not is with it that the enterprise will buy my privacy, control my PC, what I install, what I do with my computer, etc, etc, etc, the machine is mine and I want to continue owner of it. I not want show to me many things that I not want to see, install app that I not want and use in my pc, use of the my internet connection to send things to internet. Want my collaboration, ok I can think in this, but when I want, not when Microsoft want. Sure have many users that not understand what are happens, but are much users that are advanced users and know what happens and how neutralize this privacy invasion. My first impression in these day about Windows 10 is cool for other side. I think that can be the right successor of Window 7, but ... no using the unilateral ideas to force users share all with Microsoft, that Windows 10 will be a good OS. Need respect the privacy of the users. If not is like windows 8, 8.1 that not win the market because try to force all to have new hardware, etc. If go in this direction we have Linux, Windows 7 to use and who know, Android OS to PCs, is now a good time to this smiles. Yes, this is a technological war, users in a side and Google, Microsoft and others in the other. But who buy computers, OS, software are the users. The true own of market. Sorry for errors english not is my native language, but I think that is possible understand.
• tripzilch 11y ago
  > Who are the trusted partners? By whom are they trusted? I am certainly not the one doing any trusting right now. In security, "trusted" has a very simple and straightforward definition: Trusted (adj.) - Liable to create a security breach. That's what it means, nothing more, nothing less. It means that YOU are going to have to trust these third partners to not screw you over. Whether you know who they are or not, it means that you trust them with your private data. "Trusted" is never a good thing. With proper security and privacy logic in place you shouldn't need to "trust" anyone. Indeed it means that I "trust" the NSA (and local Dutch agencies conscripted by them) with any data that I send or receive that is not strongly encrypted. I don't get a lot of choice in the matter, so I'm going to have to "trust" they won't screw me over with it, sell it to bad actors, keep it safe for as long as they keep it. No it's not a very smart idea to "trust" them, but I don't get a lot of say in the matter ...
• tripzilch 11y ago
  What IS "inking data", anyway?
• 129CBRider 11y ago
  Had to go through the entire Windows 10 and stop it from sending all my personal info to Microsoft!!!!! Stop trying to be APPLE!
• 129CBRider 11y ago
  Had to go through the entire system and stop Win 10 from sending all my personal info to Microsoft! The need to stop trying to be Apple.
• slxh 11y ago
  All companies should be legally required to make those invasive privacy settings opt-in and not opt-out... and maybe attach some jail time consequences for CEOs for violating these new laws.
• rick838 11y ago
  No guarantee the switches do what they say.
• varp 11y ago
  The only way to reliably opt out of Microsoft collecting your personal data at this point, is to opt out of the whole Microsoft experience. Everyone knows (or should know) that toggle switches are not guaranteed to do what their respective labels say they would.
• aliameer 11y ago
  http://googler700.blogspot.com/2015/08/windows-articles.html http://googler700.blogspot.com/2015/08/windows-articles.html
• Analist-System 11y ago
  Jeżeli chodzi o Restrykcyjność 'Microsoft' to nie jest ona obiektywna, bo rządy krajów nie powinny angażować się w śledenie swoich Obywatelii, nie jest to nic z Wolnością, chyba że dotyczy to krajów Komunistycznych, takie jak Chiny, rosja, ETC, ale Ochrona Prywatności Końcowego Użytkownika powinna być na pierwszym miejscu i tak nikt z rządów nie może zakazać produkcji Systemu Operacyjnego np: 'Windows' I promocji w danym kraju, żaden Państwo na Świecie nie jest przygotowane na inną Nowszą Technologię Systemów Komunikacyjnych jakim jest producent 'Microsoft, czy mu podległe Spółki apple, etc.. Nie ma konkurencji, chyba że 'Microsoft' jest ' Nieuczciwą Konkurenją' I pobiera pieniądze o tych krajów za milczenie, a wiemy że ta Korporacja daje żródło Systemu Służbą Ingwilacyjnym, nie jest to Fair ze strony producenta i powinno mu się Zakazać tych praktyk, w końcu Rządzi w tym przemyśle Koncowy Użytkownik...