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Firefox 29

• twodayslate 13y ago
  Related HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7664837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7664837
• michaelhoffman 13y ago
  Release Notes: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/29.0/releasenotes/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/29.0/releasenotes/
  • yahelc 13y ago
    Developer Release Notes: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/29 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/29
    • angersock 13y ago
      "Added the console API to Web Workers (bug 620935). Now you can log messages to the Web Console from Web Workers." About bloody time. Does anyone know why that wasn't the case from the get-go?
      • ecnahc515 13y ago
        Cause printing functions usually aren't thread safe I'd assume it has to be a similar reason.
      • asutherland 13y ago
        Originally, exposure of APIs to JS was done using the XPConnect JS/XPCOM bridge in Firefox. Simplifying a little, XPConnect is not thread-safe, so exposing APIs to workers required manually writing code using the SpiderMonkey JS API. This was done in an ad-hoc fashion for a while. Additionally, XPConnect allowed JS code to be written to expose functionality to content on the main thread, but was basically a non-starter on the worker thread because of the lack of XPConnect. (Simplifying slightly again, XPConnect also provided required security protections.) Between having to write thread-safe code and custom JS exposure, the overhead could be significant. This has now been greatly improved through the use of automatically generated WebIDL bindings, although C++ is still used and threading issues do have to be dealt with (usually by remoting a runnable to the main thread), so worker versions of an API still aren't free. New Web APIs implemented by the platform team should usually be designed from the ground-up for worker exposure and have worker support land soon-after or at the same time as the main-thread support. Experimental APIs related to Firefox OS and developed by Firefox OS Gaia teams are more likely to be prototypes implemented in JS for rapid prototyping and will need another rev before they can be exposed to workers. This last bit frequently happens as part of an effort to standardize the API informed by the prototype. Links for context: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XPCOM/Language_bindings/XPConnect https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XPCOM/... https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/WebIDL_bindings https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/WebIDL_bind...
        • angersock 13y ago
          Thank you very much for your explanation! We ended up writing a goofy little console.log() replacement that sent messages back to the main UI thread for processing and logging, but that kind of thunking is a might-bit janky.
          • bzbarsky 13y ago
            The console.log exposed to workers just sends the messages to the UI thread for logging...
            • angersock 13y ago
              I forget whether the workaround was done for Firefox or Chrome...I remember hitting it in one or the other, and putting in the workaround for both. On a related note, transferable objects are handled a bit differently between IE, FF, and Chrome. Some are a bit stricter than others.
              • bzbarsky 12y ago
                That's not surprising, but annoying. Please do file bugs as needed; the spec is generally pretty clear about how things should work here, so if browsers don't agree one of them is just buggy.
      • Excavator 13y ago
        According to comments in that bug it looks like it were held up due to discussion around standardization of the Console API and a rewrite of the same. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620935#c30 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620935#c30
        • dubcanada 13y ago
          The Console API is getting rewritten to handle proper console.logging with colours, grouping etc.
• berkut 13y ago
  Odd - I'm using Firefox 24, and I get "Congrats! You’re using the latest version of Firefox" printed.
  • mahouse 13y ago
    Is that on Linux? You only get what your distro gives to you.
    • cookiecaper 13y ago
      Depends on the distro. Firefox reports that I'm behind on ArchLinux with Firefox 28. I don't know if that's a thing that Mozilla has worked out with some big vendors or if they've just patched it to always pretend to be healthy. I've never been a big fan of distro meddling, which is a reason I've been an Arch loyalist for workstation Linux since 2007.
    • ozten 13y ago
      I love my distros, but I always install critical apps from upstream, like Firefox, NodeJS, note keeping apps, etc.
  • TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
    Is it the ESR version?
    • berkut 13y ago
      Yep.
      • TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
        Then it would be the latest version, just the latest ESR version.
• Narretz 13y ago
  the only question: will tree style tabs work as before?
  • plorkyeran 13y ago
    Yes, it was updated shortly after the redesign hit Nightly.
    • 3rd3 13y ago
      I can confirm that it works too. They even improved the performance with many tabs open. It's absolutely awesome, what a great day! :)
  • DanceInside 13y ago
    Glad to see I'm not the only one that relies on this. I would pay for a similar plugin in Chrome.
  • potch 13y ago
    Yes, we made extra sure this add-on got updated. Lots of TST users at Mozilla :)
    • 6cxs2hd6 13y ago
      FWIW using the Add-Ons tab's search for "tree style tabs" gives 9 results, none of which include this add-on. But when I click "269 more results", then Tree Style Tab is the first result on that addons.mozilla.org page. (This isn't the first time I've found add-on search to be a bit wonky. Maybe "everyone" knows to ignore the first results (?), but I don't search for and install add-ons frequently enough to have learned that, quite yet.)
    • maxerickson 13y ago
      Do I have to install an add on to get narrow tabs? This is like the 3rd or 4th time that minimum tab width settings have been changed. I understand the motivation to change the experience for the typical user. I don't understand the constant churn in what is customizable. If I customized the location of the reload/stop button last time it was moved, is the thought really that I won't want to this time? I guess there is some argument about the amount of code that needs to be maintained, but if things go the way they go, there will be incremental changes for a year or 2 now, and then a big jarring shift to the new thing that is more fashionable.
• ape4 13y ago
  <input type="color"> could be handy
  • TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
    <input type="number"> will mean I won't write broken apps in Firefox using that control and then open them in Chrome and notice they don't work, which has happened to me more than once now.
  • dukerutledge 13y ago
    yes, but fuck me why won't the implement type="date"
    • sergiotapia 13y ago
      hahahahaha - I hear ya buddy.
    • bzbarsky 13y ago
      In brief because it needs some UI design work that hasn't happened yet. Except on FirefoxOS, where it has happened and date inputs are enabled.
  • bzbarsky 13y ago
    Support for that shipped in Firefox 29. At least on some platforms. Certainly my Mac version has it... Edit: Oh, I see! You were saying that the fact that there is now support could be handy, not asking for it to be supported. ;)
• TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
  Oh hey, I up- MY EYES! This new UI!... it's certainly a change.
  • Touche 13y ago
    Just a note that you can restore the look if you prefer the square tabs: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemer...
    • TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
      Oh, the new theme isn't bad. Just a bit of a shock as I was in another window and suddenly noticed FF's UI overhaul.
    • nix1 13y ago
      Why I do have to install an addon, which restores something, what IMO everyone on this thread and probably most people out there would love having as native? Namely not flat-design visually easy to parse tabs! Any occurence of flat-design stuff on software, which is used day by day, was and is awkward, because it causes displeasure and it is more time- and eye-consuming.
• pjmlp 13y ago
  Already using it. I am impressed with the updated supported on the developer tools, although Chrome DevTools still wins in tooling.
  • sawrubh 13y ago
    Any particular feature you would like, that is missing?
    • pjmlp 13y ago
      - The whole resources view - JavaScript profiling (heap, cpu, events) - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. - JavaScript code completion
      • danford 13y ago
        > - The whole resources view I'm not sure what the exact criticism is here. > - JavaScript profiling (heap, cpu, events) is this what you mean? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Profiler https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Profiler > - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. You can do this now (at least in nightly) > - JavaScript code completion Works in the JS console.
        • mateuszf 13y ago
          Another thing: stack traces allowing to go back even after async calls / promises.
        • pjmlp 13y ago
          > > - The whole resources view > I'm not sure what the exact criticism is here. How can I see the whole data available to the browser in FF, similar to ChromeDev Tools https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/resource-panel https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/re... > - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. > You can do this now (at least in nightly) Cannot install nightly versions on customers. Good to know it is coming, though. > > - JavaScript code completion > Works in the JS console. But not yet on the Scratchpad, unless I am missing something.
• exodust 13y ago
  What's this about the status bar / add-on bar gone? The main reason why I use Status-4-Evar is because when I hover over a link I don't want that link to pop-over the page content, which is what Chrome did first, then Firefox copied like sheep. It's distracting, like a tiny little pop-over in the corner of your eye. I like having URLs show in a status bar separate to the main web window. It's out of the way, and I just like having my web browser framed by an interface. Is that so wrong? What's so bad about a status bar? Why is there this idea that everyone wants the full screen web? First Mozilla forces their CEO to resign, now they're being the soup nazi over the status bar which has been with browsers since day one of web browsers. You call that progress? I call it chopping down an old tree that nobody wanted chopped down.
  • TazeTSchnitzel 13y ago
    They're cutting down on unnecessary chrome. I can't say I have a problem with it; less chrome means more room for page content. A bit like why Apple added fullscreen apps.
    • efdee 13y ago
      You kind of make it sound as if Apple invented maximized windows... :-)
      • hoers 13y ago
        Fullscreen, not maximized But yeah, apple is far away from having invented it
      • pilsetnieks 13y ago
        A maximized window still shows all of the chrome, as well as system menus. Full-screen apps (not that Apple invented them) hide the window chrome as well as the various system menus.
      • epochwolf 13y ago
        OS X's full screen apps aren't maximzed windows. If I put Sublime into full screen mode, there's no window, no menu bar. It's a text editor taking up the entire screen. If I were to maximize Sublime on Windows, Linux, or OS X (green button), you still have the chrome from the windowing system and the OS's menu bars. Also, the parent comment makes no claim Apple invented anything, he/she is just drawing a comparison people would be familiar with. Frankly, it's more than a little annoying to me that you have to distract from the topic to make completely non-constructive dig at a company you seem to dislike and completely miss the point of the comparison in doing so.
• reidrac 13y ago
  Gamepad API enabled! Cool! I used that API with Chrome, shame the browser prefix... my old games* won't work with Firefox without changing the source code :( * eg http://www.usebox.net/jjm/alien-gamma/play.html http://www.usebox.net/jjm/alien-gamma/play.html
• Geee 13y ago
  They still haven't get rid of the checking updates for add-ons dialog. Damn I hate that.
  • insertnickname 13y ago
    Yeah, it's a huge pain having to wait a few seconds every six weeks.
    • noir_lord 13y ago
      Indeed over a lifetime (of 78 years) waiting 3 seconds for updates every 6 weeks wastes 33m48s, that is nearly 3 cappuccino's!.
• truncate 13y ago
  First look. Like the new access menu. I was hoping that they would make history and bookmarks in new tabs instead of windows.
  • fournm 13y ago
    If I remember right, this is an (optional) potential setting on the UI roadmap.
• WizzleKake 13y ago
  The incessant rearrangement of the UI is why I switched to Chrome. Each time they change the interface, it is unclear to me what the benefit is to the user. I was fine with Firefox when it looked like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mozilla_Firefox_3.5.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mozilla_Firefox_3.5.png
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  • davexunit 13y ago
    Speaking of things that don't benefit the user, Chrome is proprietary software (dare I say spyware) that sends your keystrokes to Google. I think Firefox's frequent UI changes pale in comparison.
    • chris_wot 13y ago
      Turn off search suggestions.
      • davexunit 13y ago
        I don't use Chrome, but from what I recall it's not that simple. Better to use Chromium instead of Chrome.
        • chris_wot 13y ago
          I believe it is that simple. If you can find them sending your keystrokes through any other means, then please download Fiddler and write a blog article with the results of your testing :-)
          • davexunit 13y ago
            Fiddler is proprietary software. Just like I won't use Chrome, I won't use Fiddler either.
• sidcool 13y ago
  Some of the UI ideas are borrowed from Chrome. I like the UI.
• davidcollantes 13y ago
  I have not downloaded it, so forgive me if it is there and I don't see it. Still no omnibar? Why a separated dedicated search field?
  • icebraining 13y ago
    Privacy; it avoids sending your URLs to the search engine. As usual, there are addons to change that behavior, if you so which.
    • davidcollantes 13y ago
      Thank you, and the others who replied.
  • ajanuary 13y ago
    With an omnibar everything you type in your url bar gets sent to the search provider. Lots of people don't like that (I'm personally okay with it, so I use Chrome).
    • nullc 13y ago
      Are you also okay with it giving it to every party the search provider gives it to? Business partners (?), employees snooping, government agencies (with or without lawful process), hackers who've compromised the provider's business? Are the people who's sites you're using also okay with you passing URLs on their sites to your search provider? Do you ever accidentally paste confidential text in the wrong field? Because there is no way to tell if the data is being logged (or, importantly, to prove that it isn't) it is prudent to assume it is, with an infinite retention— will your opinions about sharing todays data change if the search provider's behavior changes tomorrow? if some relevant government changes policy tomorrow? Does the fact that you can't ever take it back concern you? These are some of the things I think of about it— and are why I wouldn't intentionally use such a feature regardless of how positive I feel about my search provider. And because of these thoughts— especially that I can't really make any binding commitment to future policy, or really guarantee that my policy is being followed (e.g. intelligence agency plants on staff) if I were a search provider I would not run such a service, unless I could figure out a way to build it such that I _couldn't_ turn evil, knowingly or unknowingly today or tomorrow.
• INTPenis 13y ago
  Am I the only one who's not comfortable with the fact that the "whatsnew"[1] page can activate my browsers menu with Javascript? [1] https://www.mozilla.org/sv-SE/firefox/29.0/whatsnew/?oldversion=28.0 https://www.mozilla.org/sv-SE/firefox/29.0/whatsnew/?oldvers...
  • icebraining 13y ago
    What menu? I don't see any of that.
    • mindphaze 13y ago
      You need to be using version 29 when you click that link to see a tutorial that accesses the menu.
  • lucb1e 13y ago
    I don't think any page can do that. Probably something built into the browser specifically for this page, identified by the domain or something.
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    • gulbrandr 13y ago
      It seems so: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/app/profile/firefox.js#254 http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/app/pr...
      • abus 13y ago
        Strangely if you erase or change the value of that preference, it still runs. Does that mean it's checking something else?
        • mnoorenberghe 13y ago
• Tenoke 13y ago
  This is just one anecdote but on my (currently) somewhat slow computer at work, the new Firefox is noticeably faster. This is under Windows. Additionally, I am not sure about the new UI yet, but I probably wouldn't care about the changes after I get used to them.
  • untilHellbanned 13y ago
    I agree. Chrome won because it was faster. Now that Chrome is slow and Firefox is seemingly faster, I'm thinking of switching back. I'm on Mac OSX 10.7.5.
• Gracana 13y ago
  Hmm, I think the separators between tabs in the new tab bar are too subtle, and overall it is too dark. The curved appearance of the selected tab also seems out of place. edit: also, transparent elements with text on them? Noo! Maybe I am just sensitive.. I don't have the best eyesight, and I don't have the best monitors. In any case, I am thankful for Classic Theme Restorer, which someone mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
  • lurkinggrue 13y ago
    What I find weird about the design is the idea of "Getting the other tabs out of the way" idea. I don't care about the selected tab as I can see what page it it. When I go looking for another tab to go to they make it harder to read! The hell?
    • Gracana 13y ago
      That's a very good point. I wonder if that design decision came from user studies, and if so I wonder if the study was flawed, because I can't identify with that need at all.
• NathanKP 13y ago
  Overall I love the redesign, but I wish they would have compacted the top chrome a bit so it matches the height of other major browsers. Firefox has slightly taller chrome for no good reason, as seen in this picture: http://i.imgur.com/BlPRitn.png http://i.imgur.com/BlPRitn.png When I'm doing cross browser development I want my stuff to line up in all three browsers. At least Firefox no longer has the heaviest browser chrome. Safari wins that dubious distinction now by keeping the tabs below the address bar. I also noticed that Firefox finally added a better option to disable cache for one tab which will be very useful while developing: http://i.imgur.com/Nc5eamq.png http://i.imgur.com/Nc5eamq.png It's still not as good as Chrome's ability to automatically disable cache while devtools are open, but its way better than what I had to do before, which was override the automatic cache management settings to limit cache to 0 MB of diskspace.
  • antidaily 13y ago
    I agree. Add some bookmarks bar items and it's even taller. Add the 'Title Bar' and it's even taller. And I dont see the short icons option available anymore.
  • simonster 13y ago
    There is a reason for the taller top chrome: it makes the window easier to drag around. Compared with Chrome, there is a larger window drag area above the inactive tabs (but not the active tab). I think this is a pretty neat design.
    • NathanKP 13y ago
      On the contrary, Firefox actually has less drag space: http://i.imgur.com/atYV8Xo.png http://i.imgur.com/atYV8Xo.png If you count it by pixel there is 10px of window drag space above the tabs in Firefox, but 11px of window drag space in Chrome. So technically Firefox would be harder to drag around. The thing that is bigger in Firefox is the fat tabs, and all the extra space above and below the address bar, which seems to be there solely for the purpose of allowing the back button to be larger than the address bar. It's a nice looking design touch, but not that much more usable, just wasteful.
• lucb1e 13y ago
  Been using it for a few hours now. I hear a lot of complaints about the address bar having gotten bigger by a whole 10 pixels and the addons bar being gone, but honestly I think it's a great update. On a full hd screen I can't be bothered by the 1.1% increase in height and the addons bar has only annoyed me. Actually, it's a bit ironic to complain about 10px while at the same time complaining about an entire toolbar having disappeared.
  • chr1 13y ago
    It's not ironic at all. People are complaining about adding 10 useless pixels, and about removing a feature they were using, only to save 15 pixels. Many people liked addon bar, which was hidden by default anyway.
    • lucb1e 13y ago
      > which was hidden by default anyway Until you installed an add-on. Or like me, a dozen.
• sehugg 13y ago
  I like it so far. Seems pretty responsive. Firefox 28 had been crashing at least once a day for me (which is rare, I didn't have any crash logs since 2011) so I'm hoping they squashed whatever bug was causing that.
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• dilap 13y ago
  I love Firefox -- for what it's done, what it represents, and what it helps guard against. I have fond memories of those early versions of Firefox (nee Firebird) that busted open the IE monopoly, and where hands-down the best browser going at the time. But it's never felt very good on the Mac to me, and it still doesn't. Here's a few early thoughts on this release, from the perspective of a happy Safari user, w/ a pretty (nit-)picky eye. * Separate address and search bars is old-fashioned. As a user, I don't want to have to make this distinction, and it's hard to imagine most users-on-street wouldn't find this confusing * The address bar is square edged while the search bar is round edged, which is displeasingly visually. (I realize this is because there's a convention of "search bars are rounded," but the inconsistency remains.) * Tapping the hamburger menu on the far right, it appears with a combined drop-and-fade-in effect, and then disappears instantly. This is jarring on the Mac, because it is exactly the opposite of native menu behavior, which is to appear instantly, and disappear with a fade. (I also believe the native behavior makes more sense: when you're tapping a menu, you want to do something, so you don't want to be slowed down by an animation -- just show the menu.) (Addition of a hamburger bar on the far right at all is suspicious; often it's a UI "dumping ground") * The "what's new" slideshow that appears at the bottom of the screen has to be controlled by clicking small <- or -> arrows, instead of just scrolling, which feels very outmoded * The scroller applies a fade effect to incoming content, but only to the text, not the image, which is jarring. * Multi-touch swipe to go back/forward shows no feedback! (Safari does this best, where the whole page slides away, revealing what's underneath; Chrome does a half-assed thing with arrows fading in, which isn't nearly as nice, but at least better than no feedback.) Pretty nitpicky, I know, but I recently read an article trumpeting this release of Firefox's incredible attention to detail. On the Mac at least, I think it still falls short.
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  • dec0dedab0de 13y ago
    Separate address and search bars is old-fashioned. Exactly how I like it, I HATE getting search results when I make a type-o, or try to go to an internal site and forget to specify http:// http://
• 666c6f 13y ago
  I really don't like the new UI. I miss the good old menu bar on top of the screen and i don't understand why firefox is trying to copy chrome :/. I wish there were an alternative to firefox and chrome, s it looks today I don't want to use either of them.
  • libraryatnight 13y ago
    You can turn the Menu Bar on in the options.
  • wila 13y ago
    You can customize most of the parts on what you like or don't like about the new UI with this addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemer...
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• chunkstuntman 13y ago
  Had to revert back to 28 to mitigate UI issues caused by Pentadactyl in the new update. I'm not sure I'm going to be missing much in 29.
  • oneandoneis2 13y ago
    I haven't had problems yet - what were your issues?
  • binaryapparatus 13y ago
    Some issues here too. Can't temporarily show address bar and I need it to access lastpass, there is weird horizontal line near the top etc. How did you revert back? Is there some interface option or I have to dig out old download?
    • chunkstuntman 13y ago
      A quick google search turned up a support page with a "Directory of other versions and languages" link https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/
  • nsm 13y ago
    Have you tried the Nightly builds of pentadactyl? Those usually work upto and including Fx30, and usually are updated to work with whatever is on Aurora.
  • fournm 13y ago
    Pentadactyl is unfortunately messing with userChrome itself (shrinking size of tab bar), which the devs really should not do across the board (it breaks a lot of unrelated addons). Which I hate to say as a diehard Pentadactyl user.
• puppetmaster3 13y ago
  Are we using or boycotting FF?
• super_mario 13y ago
  Fucking idiotic morons. Completely ruining what used to be a good browser. I've had enough of this shit. Every single updated has to fuck up my Pentadactyl experience. That's it. I give up. If I can't use Pentadactyl, I have 0 reason to use Firefox. Goodbye. I'm removing it from all my computers and never looking back.
  • fournm 13y ago
    I use Pentadactyl with it just fine in the Aurora channel and have since it first landed. Part of the problem, though, is that the guys at Pentadactyl messed with userChrome.css as part of the newest pentadactyl builds, which causes a TON of issues with other addons (especially anything that adds a toolbar). Vimperator doesn't do it, but ew Vimperator, so.
    • wyclif 13y ago
      There needs to be a solution for people who want a solid Pentadactyl/Firefox instead of the newest version of FF breaking a lot of functionality.
      • SilasX 13y ago
        Definitely. I assumed it was an issue of the sites not maintaining good user interfaces, but that excuse doesn't work when every FF update breaks pentadactyl's ability to select search fields on Google...
    • bsg75 13y ago
      What are the reasons for your preference for Pentadactly over Vimperator?
      • fournm 13y ago
        I just like its defaults more. Not trying to autocomplete files, not trying to be pretty instead of fast, and more consistently working how Vim does in general (along with just other tiny interface things). I can use Vimperator , I just prefer to not.
• BrownBuffalo 13y ago
  Just a question, but why is the interation cycle so extreme with Mozilla? Version 29? What is so different from version 3.x.x ... where we had normal interations I could wrap my head around. The whole number upgrades are insane. I know its such a simple thing, but trying to relate with software interation steps on such a fast moving number, just is mind boggling.
  • 3rd3 13y ago
    Because of Chrome: http://krzysiu.net/misc/history_version_numbers_internet_browsers http://krzysiu.net/misc/history_version_numbers_internet_bro... I think it's a marketing strategy to convey active development.
    • 3rd3 13y ago
      Another possibility might be usability, since whole numbers are easier to deal with than longer version names. Otherwise, I find Paul-ish’s theory above the most plausible one.
  • robin_reala 13y ago
    They release every 6 weeks. Chrome is on a similar strategy with similar version numbers.
  • fotbr 13y ago
    It's what the cool kids at google were doing, so mozilla had to copy them, as usual, without any real thought as to whether it made sense.
  • Paul-ish 13y ago
    I believe it prevents people from accumulating on old versions. Upgrading version becomes a routine thing. Windows XP is an example of what you get with longer release cycles. XP was out so long people began to rely on it in a big way and upgrading becomes a laborious process. OS X doesn't have that issue, I suspect in part because they are have a more rapid release cycle.
  • zobzu 13y ago
• nhebb 13y ago
  I like it. There are a few changes that I will need to get used to, but in a few weeks I doubt I'll notice the difference. One thing that I think FF doesn't get enough credit for is how efficiently it runs these days. I prefer Chrome's developer tools, but for browsing, FF gets my vote.
  • nnethercote 13y ago
    > There are a few changes that I will need to get used to, but in a few weeks I doubt I'll notice the difference. I wish people would take this attitude more often.
• JimmaDaRustla 13y ago
  I shouted out "Oh, it's pretty!" As a masculine, 29 year old male...I felt pretty awkward in my own skin.
  • jbeja 13y ago
    Rolling my eyes!
• brudgers 13y ago
  [Sorry for going meta] As I write this, the story is about one hour old, there are 118 other comments and the top voted comment - the top voted comment - is criticism by someone who doesn't use Firefox. The comment is totally without technical analysis of why Firefox does what it does nor does it mention anything that FireFox gets right. The only positive thing the author says involves dragging out some tired anti-microsoft trope. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7667040 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7667040 That's the problem when stories have this sort of velocity. The quality of comments goes down to the point where "It doesn't try to be an Apple product" is what collects the most upvotes. It's little more than trolling for defenses of FireFox and Safari fan upvotes.
  • radmuzom 13y ago
    So true. I was hoping for a discussion on improved WebGL support (if any), performance improvements, new HTML5 feature support, etc. rather than whether the address bar and search bar should be merged. The latter is important, but IMO should not be the most discussed item.
  • abus 13y ago
    It's "Firefox" not "FireFox".
• billiam 13y ago
  Um, just wondering how people feel about actually using FF 29, rather than talking about what it isn't? A really great browser is being obscured by a bikeshed. tl;dr It's awesome.
  • wahsd 13y ago
    Agree that it is really good. I think Chrome has gotten all the cool kids' attention without them having a respect and understanding for the mission and value of Mozilla and Firefox. That being said, Mozilla and Firefox could probably do a bit of a better job at selling themselves and their features. I am not sure what you mean by a bike shed, but it's now a pretty nice bike shed, no?
    • function_seven 13y ago
      I believe he's referring to Parkinson's Law of Triviality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality)
• denzil_correa 13y ago
  The birth year (while signing up for Sync) is a neat feature. It doesn't ask your exact date of birth but only the year. Further, it doesn't ask for your DOB if you are born 1990 or earlier.
• rexreed 13y ago
  I love Firefox, but gosh - when I have many tabs and windows open it's a major memory hog. Maybe all browsers are like that, but it feel particularly worse on Firefox, despite all their efforts to fix memory leak issues.
  • sp332 13y ago
    Compared to what, IE? Memory leaks are about memory being left claimed when isn't actually used. It doesn't just mean using more memory than you think it ought to.
  • acomjean 13y ago
    I do like Firefox to. Sometimes when it gets tired later in the day I go to about:memory and try to manually clear some up by clicking the links in the free memory section
• Nux 13y ago
  https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ - Halleluya! Finally the 64bit builds for Linux are listed. Every god damn time I had to install I had to go in ftp.mozilla.org ... About 5 years late, but better than never. :-)
  • shmerl 13y ago
    Yeah, that always surprised me. 64 bit Linux builds are available for a long time already.
• shmerl 13y ago
  About Australis: Good: * Menu bar is hidden by default on Linux and can be opened with Alt (that didn't work before). Bad: * Menu ("Firefox") button is still not movable for no obvious reason. * Reload/Stop button is now forced to be in the URL bar (before users had a choice where to place it). That's pretty annoying, it's very uncomfortable when Back/Forward and Reload buttons are so far apart. * Bookmarks button is now outside the URL bar and looks bulky.
  • DSMan195276 13y ago
    I felt the same. I recommend you grab Classic Theme Restorer. I'm not sure how to modify the URL bar (Which is the issue with the bookmarks and reload button), but the add-on will allow you to move the menu and adjust other various settings.
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    • shmerl 13y ago
      Thanks, that's much better. Now I just need to figure out how to reduce space between toolbar buttons (it's way too wide). Startup time with this add-on is pretty long though.
      • DSMan195276 13y ago
        I didn't notice any start-time issues, but I only have Firefox 29 currently installed on a higher-end laptop so that might be part of it. I'll be interested to see how this fairs when I put 29 on a netbook that I have (Intel Atom, single core). I had the same gripe you did, if you grab 'classic toolbar buttons', it'll give you the smaller layout with the 'enable small buttons' option on.
        • shmerl 13y ago
          It looks like startup time problems weren't caused by that add-on, so you can ignore that remark.
• ninkendo 13y ago
  In the screenshot, they misspelled Mozilla as "Mozila" in the tab title. (At least on OSX... maybe they tailor the screenshot depending on your user agent.)
  • hoosteeno 13y ago
    I filed a bug for it here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003389 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003389
  • sgarrity 13y ago
    This was my mistake. Embarrassing. Fixed.
• benaston 13y ago
  Open new tab. The recent sites are displayed. Enter a url and hit return. The website is displayed. Now try and click the back button to return to the recent sites list... You can't, the back button is disabled. Despite the profession of attention to detail this speaks otherwise.
• rschmitty 13y ago
  Anyone know how to "tighten up" the spacing between icons? http://imgur.com/YYmEuED http://imgur.com/YYmEuED
  • xmonkee 13y ago
    And does anyone know how can I make the bookmark bar a bit thinner?
• Fuxy 13y ago
  Well it's ok however i have a few issues with it. 1. Support for it in most themes is non existent so no more dark themes until they update 2. The Open menu button cannot be moved (Wanted to move it back to the left where the old firefox button used to be)
• jmacd 13y ago
  This is sad. Firefox has been reduced to playing catch-up on UI and struggling to get to parity with Chrome on features. The vision is dead. Perhaps Mozilla needs to move on from web browsers? Perhaps their work is done, or the torch needs to be taken up by someone who can lead again. I'm not sure what's in store for Mozilla, but if it's just a Chrome skin on a Mozilla rendering engine, then I don't think it's good.
• dsrikanth 13y ago
  one feature that I like is the "Tab Groups" - I can organize my open tabs into groups and only open the group I want. Comes with a tab search functionality too..
• brianstorms 13y ago
  I've always had a bookmarks bar of single and double letters, like R for Reddit, Y for YCombinator, F for Facebook, $ for stocks, etc. Now with FF29 I have these blasted file folder icons next to each of my little codes, cluttering up the whole bookmarks bar. I can't find any way of getting rid of the file folders -- not even thru Customize. Anyone found a way?
  • kbrosnan 13y ago
    Inspect the Firefox chrome and set the class of the folder to display: none using userChrome.css chrome://browser/content/browser.xul http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css
  • ahoge 13y ago
    Quite different, but... you could try ShortcutKey2URL [1]. Then you could, for example, use Ctrl+Q followed by: Y for YCombinator, F for Facebook, and so forth. Pressing Ctrl+Q not only switches into that "trigger once mode", it also displays the list of available shortcuts. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ShortcutKey2URL/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ShortcutKey2U...
• CompuHacker 13y ago
  Where the hell is my forward button? Why does browser.tabs.onTop not mean anything anymore? Where's my refresh button? On the... right side, inside the Awesome Bar? Why isn't a separate button? Why can't I put the Home button back beside the Back button? Why is the back button permanently part of the Awesome Bar? Why does the Awesome Bar change shape and size to allow the forward button to exist? Why isn't the forward button an element that I can move around like the refresh button? Why can't I move the Awesome Bar at all? What happened to the Status Bar? Why can't I replace the Status Bar with the Bookmarks Bar at the bottom of the screen? Why is the Start Button now permanently overlapping with anything displayed in the browser? Why can't I move the Menu Button? Why is your Menu Button right where Google Chrome's menus are by default? Also, when you remove the Title Bar, I can't grab the window because I keep my bookmarks as icons without titles on the Menu Bar. Why are you messing with everything, Mozilla? Why are you breaking the UI metaphor? With the tabs on the top, all the elements under it are made to appear a part of that tab. There's no reason that I can see for the tabs to be on top. It doesn't look pretty, it takes extra pixels to render the smooth curve where the tab meets the next bar. Even if I'm insane and it's the same width, it still looks awful. I've got five HD screens, and everyone is taking the tablet friendly, ergonomic approach. I want consistency. Please stop breaking everything. You're the last good browser, Firefox. Don't ruin it. Please bring back: tabs on bottom, the permanent forward button, the refresh button, the bottom bar anchor, and the separate back button. http://i.imgur.com/cFMoZ5b.png http://i.imgur.com/cFMoZ5b.png
  • ozten 13y ago
    > Where the hell is my forward button? Forward button appears after you click the back button. It is only shown when it could be used. This and many other improvements reduce visual noise based on analysis of how frequently people used different pieces of browser chrome.
    • gkoz 13y ago
      To me, disappearing and jumping buttons are much worse visual noise.
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• hbt 13y ago
  If you want a highly customizable browser, Firefox is it. Chrome is in its infancy when it comes to customization and they often make decisions that prevent power users from taking advantage of their browsing experience. For example, they've disabled custom stylesheets in recent releases despite a clear indication that people were sharing themes, they have very old bugs that don't get resolved (like the stupid white flashes on dark themes), major accessibility issues. Generally they try to appeal and prioritize regular users (which is fine) but go out of their way to make decisions that ignore power users and not even provide alternatives intentionally. Finally and the most frustrating part is they don't value feedback. https://code.google.com/p/chromium/ https://code.google.com/p/chromium/ is a joke and a waste of time. The most starred issues are often closed to the public when it reaches a certain level and users are asked to submit a new bug again if the old one is not fixed. This means that if there is still a bug, you have to wait months before other users experience it, find the time to search for the bug and star it, reach enough stars to get attention and then get a response. Bugs are often miscategorized and the wrong team has it in its backlog. It's a mess. There isn't a feature in Chromium or Google Chrome that Firefox doesn't deliver. Take it from a serious chrome user and extension developer for several years, switch to Firefox if you want to tweak anything that bothers you easily without having to change the damn source code.
  • nandhp 13y ago
    > There isn't a feature in Chromium or Google Chrome that Firefox doesn't deliver. Multi-process browsing. It is incredibly annoying when my entire browser locks up because one of the fifty tabs I have open is doing something stupid. That never happened in several years of using Chrome, and it happens several times a day in Firefox.
    • hbt 13y ago
      Agreed. The multi-process vs single process is controversial. With cheap memory, multi-process would be better. However, I personally don't experience crashes several times a day. A crash usually boils down to Javascript taking too long and/or maybe rendering issues with CSS (hardware acceleration). However Chrome is not immune to bad JS and will also slow down your system until the single tab is killed/crashes. Overall, a crash is not really that dramatic. The browser restarts, all tabs are still there and only load if you click them, you can use Lazarus to auto-save all form inputs and not lose a single point of data and it resumes at the exact position in seconds (no need to scroll either). Just add NoScript and block the sites where developers can't write decent JS. >> it happens several times a day in Firefox If it happens frequently regardless of the sites you're visiting then it must be extensions or hardware acceleration or plugins. i.e a configuration problem and not a FF one
• sergiotapia 13y ago
  Firefox team, thank you for another great release! * I just tried and your developer tools don't cause the tab to freeze for 1 second every time I switched into the tab. * Wanted to see the addons I had, clicked the menu > nice icon that said Add-ons - massive UX win. I feel at home with this browser. You stand up for privacy and for that you deserve so much more praise than you get. I'm switching to Firefox and see how it goes. The only thing keeping me on Chrome are the Dev Tools, and I want to give Firefox another try.
  • mnemonik 13y ago
    > I just tried and your developer tools don't cause the tab to freeze for 1 second every time I switched into the tab. Can you give steps to reproduce and a test case? Which panel do you have active? What URL are you on?
    • sergiotapia 13y ago
      I'm not sure if you're part of the Firefox team, but either way sorry I don't remember exactly the circumstances. But it was on Firefox 27 - Mac OSX 10.8 - any page. Any page that had the dev tools open froze for about 1 to 2 seconds when switching back to it.
      • mnemonik 13y ago
        Want to try on the latest release? I can't reproduce with Release (29) or Nightly (32) on 10.9. If you can give some solid STR and a test case we can investigate further, but as it is now, this isn't very actionable from our end :-/
        • sergiotapia 13y ago
          Just tried and there is -ZERO- lag. I'm tremendously happy and the dev tools are white now! 20 tabs, each with it's dev tools open. Zero lags! I'm in love.
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• e1dwqscdasd 13y ago
  Firefox RIP 29.04.2014 Sorry but i try and this is shit, chrome,opera look better Digg Killed Digg
  • pbhjpbhj 13y ago
    Why's it matter what it looks like, it's literally a few tabs and an address bar to wrap around your webpages. Does it function well?
    • e1dwqscdasd 13y ago
      nope, check on windows 8 or XP + Menu Bar and grey theme
• higherpurpose 13y ago
  Can Firefox get a sandbox for tabs already? It may be the more privacy-friendly browser, but it's far from being the most secure, it seems, and that's mainly because of its lack of a sandbox: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/178587-firefox-is-still-the-least-secure-web-browser-falls-to-four-zero-day-exploits-at-pwn2own http://www.extremetech.com/computing/178587-firefox-is-still...
  • agapos 13y ago
    Tab sandboxing is planned to be part of the ongoing e10s (Electrolysis).
• noisy_boy 13y ago
  One of the first things I notice after installing, the text on the Gmail buttons is blank (I can see the button outline but can't see the text so I have to rely on the tooltips). Kind of a deal-breaker.
  • noisy_boy 13y ago
    Replying to myself as it was my mistake: the toggle images option was turned ON. Turning it off, fixed the problem.
• dale-cooper 13y ago
  I really want to like firefox, but it is just so much slower/unresponsive than chrome. Is this something specific to my setup? I tried this new version out on a clean profile and compared it to chrome: http://fixme.se/pub/chrome_vs_ff.flv http://fixme.se/pub/chrome_vs_ff.flv I searched a bit and found this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924411 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924411 Nothing seems to have happened though, and google maps is far from the only example..
  • m_gloeckl 13y ago
    Vanilla Google Maps is not a lot slower on Firefox than on Chrome for me, but third party apps that build upon GMaps, like Garmin Connect (Running / Biking tracking tool for Garmin GPS watches) are definitely much slower and less responsive for me on Firefox than on Chrome.
    • zobzu 13y ago
      same i noticed that switching the UA to chrome on ff made those fast.. until they switched everything to webgl, now that trick doesnt work no more
• randallsquared 13y ago
  With all the UI hate, I guess I'm lucky that F29 didn't break Side-Tabs, my favorite addon ever. It does look weird, though, to have the nicely rendered foldertab graphic for only one tab, and with nothing around it to continue the metaphor.
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• Too 13y ago
  * Where is the "use small icons" option? This should be priority #1 to fix. * Can't double click top left corner to close on windows. * How do i get to the hamburger menu with only my keyboard? * If my mum accidentally removes something from the hamburger menu, like options, and one day i have to guide her to that option over the phone there are like hundreds of steps to go through. First i have to figure out if she actually is looking at the right menu, then i have to figure out if she actually has the icon on her menu or not. When that is done i have to guide her to the customize menu, then pull the icon back, close the customizer, open the menu again and then click the icon. These steps will all be different depending on how your mum customized the menu. Previously i could just tell her click the top left menu and go to add-ons. There is no standard path to follow (except the alt-key, down-key keyboard fallback still using the old menus from version 3). The hamburger menu should be a shortcut for your favorites, not the only way to find an option. Seriously, it's as if Windows forced you to add a control panel shortcut on the start menu before you can access your network settings. This is trying too hard to be too user "friendly". * How do i find the dropdown menus for my add-ons? Seem like the only path to get there is again to use the hidden alt, down keyboard fallback and then go to tools.
• fiendsan 13y ago
  the lack of options is what kills me, also the UI is filled with clear design flaws, and i still need an addon-bar, now i have to use even more add-ons just to make it work like it used to... ohh but we still have the weak performance, thats far from a priority...
• sebnukem2 13y ago
  Now, how to get rid of those fugly rounded fat tabs? A: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemer...
• inglondon 13y ago
  Just made the switch from Chrome to Firefox. I noticed that even on a high-end Macbook Pro, when I opened a large amount of tabs in quick succession Chrome would lag intolerably. It did so on earlier releases of Firefox but I just tried on 29 and it opened 40+ tabs with without a hick-up. Very pleased indeed Edit: I just noticed that the text selection now works as it does in text editors with blinking cursor and all. Great feature!
  • mook 13y ago
    The text selection thing probably means you turned on caret browsing; press F7 to turn it off again if you need to. That's been there ~forever (like, Firefox 1.0 or earlier).
• dom96 13y ago
  I must say I am impressed. When I saw the screenshots of the new UI I thought that I would not like it but now that it's finally landed in stable I find it really nice. I was afraid that the new tabs would behave too much like Chrome's (when a lot of tabs are present they all become smaller), I'm glad this is not the case. I also think that making only the selected tab curved and keeping the rest a straight shape was a good call. Apart from the UI changes I noticed that memory usage went down considerably. But we'll see how it behaves after some prolonged usage. The one weird thing I noticed was that my bookmarks are gone. I'm not sure if this happened in this release, or some previous one, or whether I accidentally deleted them somehow.
• kennywinker 13y ago
  On an iOS device this page informs me firefox isn't available for iOS. There is no link to view the contents of the page, so I'm locked out of finding out what's new in Firefox 29 until I'm off mobile. Consider adding a "full site" link, or a "view desktop version" link.
  • hoosteeno 13y ago
    iOS users can read about Firefox here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/desktop/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/desktop/ A bug to make this easier for iOS users filed here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003379 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1003379
• vjdhama 13y ago
  I just love it.
• tiziano88 13y ago
  Woah, the download size is 56MB for the OSX version! I'm curious to what accounts for the big size, is it assets or actual executable code?
  • deckiedan 13y ago
    Look inside the .app and find out. On my debian machine here, running ff beta the biggest part is libxul, which is 55 meg on its own.
  • mbrubeck 13y ago
    It's a fat binary; it includes both 32-bit and 64-bit compiled code. Normally only the 64-bit code is used, but it can restart in 32-bit mode for compatibility with legacy plug-ins.
• friendzis 13y ago
  I tried it: http://imgur.com/lO7Rmxd http://imgur.com/lO7Rmxd
• mech4bg 13y ago
  Looks like Firefox is still incredibly laggy on a 13" MBP Retina, which is a shame. Safari runs perfectly, so I wonder what the issue is.
  • walid 13y ago
    Most likely it is your extensions. I have the same issues when I load one particular extension which I can't live without. Unfortunately Firefox's major weakness is its major strength.
    • mech4bg 13y ago
      No extensions installed here unfortunately.
• conradfr 13y ago
  I always thought I would dislike the tabs. Well after upgrading, I was right. Congrats, you succeeded to make them uglier than Chrome's. I'm even surprised I hate the non-active tabs more than the active one. Sorry about the rant.
• thiht 13y ago
  I liked the screenshots but I really don't like using it... * it's no longer possible to open a new tab by double-clicking in the tabs bar, seriously guys... * I really liked the Ctrl + / status bar, I used it to drop my add-ons icons, it didn't use much space and I was able to use them whenever I wanted, now I can't do this anymore (except if I overload the top bars with icons I use... say once a week ?) // EDIT: I just figured out I can use the sandwich menu to do this, that's pretty cool * it's not possible anymore to move the refresh button... WHY ? I loved it on the left with the previous/forward buttons, why would it be in the URL bar ? * and it seems it's no longer possible to add a button to show the bookmarks (Ctrl+b), there's only this awful double button with "add fav" and this useless menu. It's beautiful but lacks a lot of customizations that were possible before... I'm really considering switching to another browser (maybe Opera ?)
• wahsd 13y ago
  I kind of wish they would focus on building out the bookmark functionality with some easier workflow, e.g., fixing functionality issues like only being able to accept auto-complete suggestions in tags with the right arrow keyboard button. I definitely think bookmarks are highly undervalued. To a certain extent, I think curated and cultivated bookmarks even have monetary value.
• hit8run 13y ago
  My Clean Firefox 29 Install (upgrade from beta) has one single bar: https://twitter.com/tschundeee/status/457986734324580352 https://twitter.com/tschundeee/status/457986734324580352
  • grandpoobah 13y ago
    You can put the search bar back in using the menu customize option - as for why it's missing in the first place.. dunno
• electrotype 13y ago
  One mini complaint about the new customization : It's not possible anymore to place the URL input on the menu bar. Because of that, I have to display both bars (I like to see the menu). Otherwise : good job Firefox team!
• mhitza 13y ago
  Without the contrasting tabs, 29 looks worse. Compare 28 http://i.imgur.com/FcqNtmj.png http://i.imgur.com/FcqNtmj.png 29 http://i.imgur.com/MIMG0s8.png http://i.imgur.com/MIMG0s8.png
• Siecje 13y ago
  The area above the is too large, takes up too much space. When you hover over the close button ('x') on a tab the red outline is square and looks weird on the rounded tab. Why not make the outline rounded or make the 'x' bold on mouseover. Why use the hamburger icon and not the Firefox logo or the old Firefox button (and keep it on the left side)?
• alinspired 13y ago
  While I love firefox, the new UI is too much for me and https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemer... came to the rescue
• acqq 13y ago
  I expect that this release will mark the point of rapid decrease of Firefox usage. Lets wait a few months and see. Such UI changes are. The best way to irritate the users who actually used the browser and got used to the placement of the controls. It seems as the designers themselves at the same time used Google's Chrome and now "unified" their own experience. Well at least now they removed some reasons for users to not switch to Google's browser.
• ekanna 13y ago
  Excellent. It became more developer friendly as well. This is going to be my default browser!
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• wildmXranat 13y ago
  I just updated and it looks fantastic. The esthetic and functional changes are great
• habosa 13y ago
  I think it's beautiful. I can't explain exactly what I like (I'm not much of a designer) but I can say that I now find it more visually appealing than Chrome. The only reason I'm staying on Chrome is because of a few extensions and because it syncs so well with my Android phone. I think there is a lot of hate here with the tone "I liked it the old way because I was used to it!". New designs change things, that's why they're new. If we didn't ever want anything to change, we'd still be looking at this every day: http://blogoscoped.com/files/google-old-new-design-2007.png http://blogoscoped.com/files/google-old-new-design-2007.png And just like the old Firefox design, that has more features up front and almost everything today's version has. But I'm glad I see this instead http://cl.ly/image/2d3a0c2h1Z2R http://cl.ly/image/2d3a0c2h1Z2R. Maybe I'm an idiot, or not a power user. But I like pretty things and I appreciate Mozilla's effort here. I'll be using Firefox more often.
  • tagawa 13y ago
    Interesting to hear that extensions are your reason for sticking with Chrome. What sort of addons do you find lacking in Firefox?
    • habosa 13y ago
      Not too many critical extensions, but a few: Motorola Connect, Google Hangouts, and Hacker News Enhancement Suite. The real reason I stick with Chrome is because it works so well with my Google accounts and syncs everything I do to my phone. I could partially move to Firefox if I could find a good way to do bi-directional bookmarks sync between the browsers. I tried XMarks but it would totally fuck up all of my Chrome bookmarks once in a while.
      • tagawa 13y ago
        Thanks. I'm also looking into bookmark sync. They have Firefox Sync ( https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/sync/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/sync/ ) but I haven't tried it out yet.
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• homulilly 13y ago
  Overall I like the new UI but it doesn't play well with custom themes on windows 7. There's a weird cutout where the window controls are that doesn't adjust to different sized controls.
• habosa 13y ago
  Not super relevant to the design, but does anyone know which browser (Chrome or Firefox) uses less memory on a Mac these days? Not talking about base footprint, but let's say I have 25 tabs open. Chrome uses ~100MB per tab, more for long-running tabs with a lot going on like GMail. Seems totally insane to me, a website that's not a complicated web app should have a tiny memory footprint. If Firefox could significantly improve this I'd move.
  • rmccue 13y ago
    I currently have 62 tabs open (in this tab group; more in the background, but they're not loaded), and Firefox is using 1.41 GB, which is ~23 MB/tab. That also includes a bunch of videos, pictures and Flash.
    • habosa 13y ago
      That's definitely lower than Chrome.
• talles 13y ago
  Sorry, I know isn't that interesting or constructive but I have to say: in UX terms, Firefox just NAILED IT. I have used for just a short term (a whole day) and I probably gonna find this or that to dislike. But so far I'm in love with it.
• BuckRogers 13y ago
  I was very happy with the way Firefox was before, and this is definitely an improvement. Gotta say, bravo to Mozilla on this one. I love the changes and customization.. much better UI.
• erikpukinskis 13y ago
  I feel like Mozilla's UIs always look amazing in the high-res vector mockups they post, but at 1x resolution they just look sloppy. Maybe I just need a 2x resolution display!
• SkyMarshal 13y ago
  Fwiw I've been using Aurora (Firefox 30) Beta full time on OS X for the past few weeks, and it's more stable than Chrome under my tab & memory-abusing ways (20 browser windows open, god knows how many tabs, 4 Haswell cores and 8GB memory available). Great work Mozilla.
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• ldng 13y ago
  Where is the reopen last closed tab menu entry ? VERY helpful when you close an old tab inadvertently ! And no, the history does not cut it if a don't remember the tab content and/or if it's one or two day old ...
  • carey 13y ago
    Ctrl-Shift-T still works, or you can turn the menu bar back on and use History → Recently Closed Tabs.
  • ahoge 13y ago
    Press Alt -> History -> Recently Closed Tabs The one at the very top (with "Ctrl+Shift+T" next to it) is the most recently closed one. You can of course also just use that shortcut.
    • ldng 13y ago
      Great ! Many thanks for the tips.
• edoloughlin 13y ago
  I use vimperator and had the location/search bar disabled/removed until now. It looks like I can no longer do that and have to have them visible. <Sigh> EDIT: I just found the Classic Theme Restorer add-on (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemer...) which lets me have the best of both wolds. <Yay>