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Reading this inspired me that it would be nice if there were a do-not-film-me standard: your mobile phone sends out a do-not-film-me request with a (rotating) h
by ldes 11d ago
Reading this inspired me that it would be nice if there were a do-not-film-me standard: your mobile phone sends out a do-not-film-me request with a (rotating) hash of your facial biometrics via Bluetooth. All cameras (glasses, phones, etc.) then blur your face in recordings.
Similarly, a venue could request a do-not-film-this-venue setting and make sure no photos are taken at a party.
- gjs278 11d ago[dead]
- kingkongjaffa 11d agoThese are social problems not technology problems. We want a society that does not need these workarounds.
- w4yai 11d agoYou can't trust humans to follow the rules. They break rules all the time. Look at the HN community.
- rpastuszak 11d agoHumans adapt and will always break the rules, but that’s not something that can be solved with tech. Think: prohibition vs public anti smoking campaigns/healthcare support/and then increasing prices
- airstrike 11d agoWe also want a society that is less greedy but that will never happen.
- pasc1878 11d agoWhich won't happen as criminals will never want themselves filmed and they are the ones you want to film to make society better and protect yourself.
- rawling 11d agoHaven't you got that the wrong way around? If we have to come up with a technological solution to grant anonymity when people are filming, criminals can use it. If we as a society don't go around filming everyone all the time, we don't need that technical solution available, so we can film the criminals when they are doing something criminal.
- DrScientist 11d agoIndeed. The tricky part is that social peer pressure requires a lack of anonymity - not just in terms of detecting whether people are recording without consent at the time - but also the posting of content online. Naming and shaming requires names.
- ldes 11d agoThe lines blur between actively taking photos and passively recording for augmented reality, AI assistance, etc. People might not be aware that they record. This standard would also be useful to extend to robots. For example if you visit friends who have a roomba [1]. [1] https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/12/19/1065306/roomba-irobot-robot-vacuums-artificial-intelligence-training-data-privacy/amp/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/12/19/1065306/roomba-i...
- soapdog 11d ago> All cameras (glasses, phones, etc.) then blur your face in recordings. that requires too much goodwill and effort from the makers of such devices. They know their audience wouldn't want that. They don't give a shit about what people being filmed think.
- rpastuszak 11d agoCulture/social pressures work better than purely technical solutions
- TeMPOraL 11d agoNor should they. Think about it some more. It's all fun and games, until same technology is used against you. There was literally a Black Mirror episode about this very thing.
- cwnyth 11d agoSome people are far too eager to build the Torment Nexus.
- encom 11d agoThere are just two makers of devices, Google and Apple, both proprietary and user hostile and they'll do anything the government tells them. Remember how quickly they implemented that covid tracking bullshit? Yeah.
- lbreakjai 11d agoWhy do we need a standard for something that should socially be the norm?
- physicallyIllfr 11d agoWasn't there a "standard" that phones in south kora had to make a shutter noise when you took a picture because they had such a huge problem with men doing up the skirt photos of strangers? Not sure why you think social norms are positive. Negative amoral behaviors can become norms. I'd argue the west has tons of amoral behavior that is normalized.
- Avicebron 11d agoNot sure about the noise, but Japan did something likr it with a constant light when the device was recording. I believe it was combatting the same kind of issues though.
- mrlonglong 11d agoThis. Absolutely this. Explains a lot about why people vote for racist and right wing parties.
- kdjdkcneixj 11d ago> and right wind parties Now I get the racists, but you, quite literally, just boiled down all politics to: left wing parties = good; right wind parties = bad; And, honestly, that’s gotta be the single most childish and naive take anyone could ever make about politics. It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad that you think you’re “fighting big tech” when this is probably the most “I’m a social media junkie” take ever.
- mrlonglong 11d agoTrump is a massive disaster and you come out and say this ? Haaaaaa.
- peri-cl 11d agoPolice unions would love for cameras to standardize on that. There was an article on HN that one city's police force, when there were protests going on, took to playing Disney songs from loudspeakers; so that any recording of their interactions would be impossible to publish on any significant internet platform (or at least, the audio would be muted, by IP protection filters).
- the_other 11d agoThat’s an admission of guilt by the police, right there. If you have nothing to hide… etc.
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 11d ago“We’ve got ‘em now!”. This’ll be police brutality’s great undoing.
- nathanaldensr 11d agoWouldn't that constitute a public performance of copyrighted material? The police themselves could be DMCAed. Haha
- zdragnar 11d agoNot DMCA, but yes, that would definitely open them to a lawsuit for unlicensed performance.
- vincnetas 11d agoits basically equivalent of them punching you in the face and running away. Yeah you're right and they're wrong, but what would you do about that and your nose is bleeding. Nasty tactics.
- nkrisc 11d agoIt doesn’t matter if it’s wrong or illegal if they know nothing will happen to them. The rule of law is dying because it’s becoming only selectively enforced.
- eunos 11d ago> hash of your facial biometrics via Bluetooth Sounds like a swift way to be included in "Need constant observation" list. Or we can even build a special surveillance for such folks along with plausible Parallel construction scenario constantly refreshed.
- amelius 11d agoWhy not make filming opt-in rather than opt-out?
- Avicebron 11d agoHow do you opt out when someone rocks up to the restaurant you are in or the publoc restroom wearing these?
- cwillu 11d agoThat's the point: filming should be opt-in.
- IAmBroom 11d agoWhat does that even mean? You have to opt in to film? If you meant to say "to being filmed", how do you implement that? People have been filming crowds since the 1950s; "Candid Camera" famously made covert filming mainstream. "Should be" is a dream of the Good Ship Lollipop. Here IRL, laws and regulations are the only thing that will discourage it.
- thesuitonym 11d agoYou can't do it with technology alone (or really at all). It has to be the law that does this.
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- cwillu 11d agoYes, laws and regulations are how you would make something opt-in. I don't see the problem, but thanks for the downvote I guess?
- Sohcahtoa82 11d agoThis opens a huge can of worms. Dash cams would effectively become illegal. Someone just wanting to record themselves and some friends doing something would need to ask explicit permission from everyone in the background. It's just not a tenable option.
- kandros 11d agothere was a black mirror episode on something similar IIRC
- rainelli 11d agoNot too dissimilar to the Black Mirror episode "White Christmas" where you can block other people in real life. Except in this case it's glasses and in Black Mirror retinal implants. We're getting there.
- TeMPOraL 11d agoYes. And an app could render the same thing on your screen via the same tech currently used to robustly watermark generative AI image output, and now not only you won't be able to screenshot the app, you also won't be able to take a photo of it with another device, and on the off chance you found some pre-202X camera that still could, no other computer would display the resulting photo either. Yes, let's keep coming with more of these great ideas. To cut this short: the whole overall idea is just universal DRM writ large. A big, principled no fucking way, ever from me. But what about the personal privacy / venue rights ... That's a social problem, it should not be used as excuse to give unilateral control over other people's technology to groups or individuals with special interests.
- kdjdkcneixj 11d agoAnd now you’re a walking antenna broadcasting your face/biometric ID hash to anyone in range. Sounds a lot worse. The possible applications of this alone are infinitely more scary than perverts filming others without their consent. This is THE nightmare scenario. Think about it for a second and you’ll see why.
- 63stack 11d agoGreat idea, we could also have a standard in browsers that signals you don't want to be tracked. We could call it the "Do not track" header, short for DNT. It would make sure no websites track you.
- rickdeckard 11d agoI remember there was a patent from Apple for a QR-code which would cause devices to stop filming when it's detected... The idea was for concert venues display these on-stage to block smartphones from filming (and redirect users to iTunes purchases instead IIRC)
- thesuitonym 11d agoAnd what happens when some bad actor actively monitors for that signal and seeks out the people who have it? And why does it require carrying my surveillance device to tell others I don't want to be surveilled?
- Aurornis 11d ago> All cameras (glasses, phones, etc.) then blur your face in recordings. Rendering security cameras useless for identifying any criminals? Maybe some of these commenters aren’t old enough to remember when fighting for your right to take photographs and videos in public places was one of the frequent topics in online places like Slashdot and BoingBoing. There have been waves of attempts to restrict freedoms to take photos in many countries. When they pass there’s a significant loss of personal rights and freedoms. > Similarly, a venue could request a do-not-film-this-venue setting and make sure no photos are taken at a party. Do you really want this? An off-button for all cameras nearby? Please purchase your official photographs from the gift shop or from the $5 Photo Booth. This would be a dream for bad people who don’t want to be recorded or photographed doing something, like a bad police officer. Just keep a device around that broadcasts the “do not record at this venue” signal and you can shut down recordings all around.