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Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"
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- Molitor5901 2mo agoHuh.. Ok I'll play along. Could this be a translation issue? I confess the first thing that leaped to mind was.. could it be AI written? But I didn't want to leap to that but.. it's .. such a strange word that is not expected in .. I guess formal medical training.
- amelius 2mo agoAI changing words for watermarking purposes.
- dash2 2mo agoIsn't it more likely to be changing words to disguise plagiarism? Update: looking at some of these, I think it is probably just poor machine translation.
- Molitor5901 2mo agoGood point, but I see lots of articles are using this "kidney disappointment" so maybe but.. holy toledo look at Impacts of Renal Transplantation and its Mental (2023) by Renan Kamath : “organ disillusionment,” “kidney relocate dismissal,” and “excusal of the moved organ.”
- dash2 2mo ago"waste can build to exorbitant level inside the blood, which harms both kidney and closures in kicking the bucket... " "Regularly, it's more irritating than it is not kidding..." (Pal and Gautam 2018)
- flexagoon 2mo agoIts like when you write a school essay and look up every second word in a thesaurus thinking it makes the essay better
- Molitor5901 2mo agoYeah some kind of translation issue. The papers seem to know what they're talking about, and I don't entirely get the AI gut feeling, only on the key words.
- Molitor5901 2mo agoInteresting! I started reading and there are so many sentences like “gauges an individual's gamble of kidney disappointment.” Changing words for watermarking .. I understand why it may do that .. but .. what an unfortunate choice of where to do it.
- TheOtherHobbes 2mo agoThe substitutions are transparent and don't change the meaning. What can possible go incorrectly?
- akoboldfrying 2mo agoWhat tin possible leave incorrectly?
- lkm0 2mo agoIt's actually pretty funny to look for such synonym expressions https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22heart%20fiasco%22 https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22h... turns up a few more. If you want to read more, I believe those are called "tortured phrases"
- kaddar 2mo agoWell, yes, and I call them 'distressed phrases'
- bot403 2mo agoWell I call it tax avoision.
- Sharlin 2mo agoModerately inconvenienced phrases.
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- myself248 2mo agoSpecially interrogated phrases.
- stackghost 2mo agoPhrases experiencing discomfort
- cosmicgadget 2mo agoExpressions subjected to enhanced interrogation.
- armchairhacker 2mo agoFrom 2021: https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.06751 https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.06751 And SCIgen was generating bullshit papers that actually managed to be published in 2005: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCIgen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCIgen
- supriyo-biswas 2mo agoThis is a really confusing one, since neither the "AI generated paper" nor "translation issue" explanations hold. I found [1], created all the way back in 2021, which seems to first introduce this "kidney disappointment" term, and I would have to assume that perhaps the authors preferred to translate it from their native language. LLMs did not exist in their current form in 2021, so couldn't have used it to write down a coherent thought, let alone a paper, at the time. At the same time, I do live in the same country as the authors, and while we don't speak the best English, being a student at a college without some familiarity of the English language to come up with the term "kidney disappointment" is, let's just say, hard to believe for me. Edit: This other comment[2] made me realize what it might have been: plagiarism avoidance. Unfortunately, many colleges here do not have the best reputation and often run like degree mills, and the aforementioned comment made me remember a conversation with a friend, who mentioned writing a review paper. Again, LLMs were not really a thing at the time, so they mentioned how they had to run their paper through a plagiarism detection tool, and then they substituted words with their synonyms. I guess someone really did search for the word "failure" and found "disappointment" as an alternative. [1] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Suprodip-Mandal/publication/354379680_Review_Epitomize_on_Applications_of_Diuretics/links/6135a82c38818c2eaf857c46/Review-Epitomize-on-Applications-of-Diuretics.pdf?__cf_chl_tk=Vv8pd7azhAAdCtwT1.3In2R4Hi8IjBlPNb2XmkF3iHg-1786885623-1.0.1.1-x7WTRD.RhG3NquvCll1ECpG3e1i7XL9daSOo9Ao5eFo https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Suprodip-Mandal/publica... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49319764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49319764
- bhouston 2mo agoCould it just be neural translation? It existed since the mid 2010s.
- GenerocUsername 2mo agoThat's my suspicion. I used Grammerly in 2021 and those are the type of substitutions I could see
- Retr0id 2mo agoIt fits the "naive deplagiarization" explanation perfectly, however. Many of them are pre-LLM, when people had to plagiarize things the good old-fashioned way, and subsequently hide that fact via synonym replacement.
- bjourne 2mo agoTortured phrases, clear signs of fraud or plagiarism: https://theconversation.com/problematic-paper-screener-trawling-for-fraud-in-the-scientific-literature-246317 https://theconversation.com/problematic-paper-screener-trawl...
- fn-mote 2mo agoThis should be the top comment. Thousands of retracted papers? More informative than just a Google Scholar search.
- dofm 2mo agoMany of us are old enough to remember “medireview”, which emerged from different automatic replacement reasons.
- api 2mo agoI’m giving my kidneys a participation trophy.
- drcode 2mo agoyeah lots of kidney shaming in these comments
- dash2 2mo agoAnd there's more. In political science: "average voter theorem", which turns out at least some plagiarism https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22average+voter+theorem%22&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a... In statistics: "tendency score matching" https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22tendency+score+matching%22++&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22t...
- stared 2mo agoNothing beats when, in a chemistry paper, AI paraphrased „the final solution” into „the mass killing of an ethnic group”. “Subsequently, 1 mL of the mass killing of an ethnic group was opposed to 20 mL of the skin sample and unprotected to light for 7 min.” From: https://bsky.app/profile/forbetterscience.bsky.social/post/3mhvi2mgosc2i https://bsky.app/profile/forbetterscience.bsky.social/post/3...
- bombcar 2mo agoI've heard of microdosing Hitler but this is a whole new level of clbuttic.
- pjc50 2mo agoTitrating the Hitler particles out of solution. (remarkably, the phrase "particle of Hitler in every bourgeoise" comes from Trotsky rather than being original internet slang)
- defrost 2mo agoIIRC Feynman had a proof of this, atoms of Socrates, Hitler, and Shakespeare passing into every lung on earth.
- Alifatisk 2mo agoHow about "lactose bigotry" instead of "lactose intolerance" https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22lactose+bigotry%22 https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22lactose+bigotry%22
- morkalork 2mo agoTIL I'm a lactose bigot
- iambateman 2mo agoWe all are, at some level.
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- omsta 2mo ago"renal disappointment" yields even more papers, in all its awkwardness https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&q=%22renal+disappointment%22&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?&q=%22renal+disappointmen...
- pmpmpmpm 2mo agoWell…it is a disappointment when your nephrons don’t work.
- mikgp 2mo agoIt seems like, particularly in scholarly works, we should cite AI contributions the same way we cite a third party, with similar consequences around plagiarism. If you’re copying AI whole hog, not quoting and citing it, and not catching basic failures. Is it really “your” work?
- logicallee 2mo agoI accidentally did this myself not long ago. Like everyone else I'm tired of cookie banners so I had ChatGPT make a law against it, it used "act" in its version, I search-and-replaced it with "Law" before getting Claude to ratify it. Claude pointed out the search-and-replace replacement, oops. The conversation links are in my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48585778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48585778 and you can see Claude found these mistakes: " At some point an earlier find-and-replace swapped "act" for "Law" and garbled three real words. As written, the text says: Section 1: "cookie-banner Lawions" — should be actions Section 3(2)(b): "next ordinary feature update after enLawment" — should be enactment Section 5(5): "a site-specific Law that the signal cannot satisfy" — should be act (or action) These aren't stylistic quibbles; "Lawions" landing on the desks of four legal departments would cause real confusion about intent. The fix is a single reverse find-and-replace. With that correction, I'm comfortable signing. " It understood what happened correctly.
- rafram 2mo agoI’m having a hard time figuring out if this State of Utopia thing is tongue-in-cheek or serious.
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- logicallee 2mo agoit's serious but still a small project, there isn't much on the site. I personally would like the law I linked to be followed. I sent a copy to the major browser makers and left this suggestion: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/comply-with-choose-cookies-once-law-eliminates-cookie-popups/idi-p/129737 https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/comply-with-choose-cook... where it got 1 kudos from a community manager but no other upvotes or comments. The announcement of the law here on HN (linked in my gp comment) got 2 upvotes and no comments. So a couple of people liked the idea, but it's not a big hit.
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- jsphweid 2mo agoReminds me of "Complicated Hilbert Space" or "Quantum Door" from Siraj Raval's days of plagiarism.
- ReaLNero 2mo agoIt's very clear what's happening: they're passing it through a writing tool that has an "Auto-improve" feature the users click. This would do the naive, pre-LLM, trick of taking "repetitive" vocabulary and varying it using synonyms.
- freehorse 2mo agoI assume it is due to machine translation? I do not see mentions of "failure" at all, which would be expected to exist if it was to increase variety. I think (heard) some used to translate an article back and forth a few times to get a "new" article, but maybe it could have been some kind of "paraphrasing" software like you describe (but for avoiding plagiarism detection rather than repetitions).
- dmix 2mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spinning?wprov= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spinning?wprov= It's just an old plagiarism method
- croisillon 2mo agoi kid you not, yesterday i was wondering what's the english word for bathroom scale, so i googled "pèse personne in english", and got answered "person weighs"
- heaney-555 2mo agoSearching the same thing gives me "The French phrase pèse-personne translates to bathroom scales (plural) or bathroom scale (singular) in English."
- freehorse 2mo agoIn my google search, it gave me directly a translation box where it was translated as "personal scale" (which I think is also used).
- debugnik 2mo agoThe translations from that Google Search widget are painfully literal given how searches are usually phrased. I can't believe they've put that in production. Similarly, I find its AI tab useless because it has a hard time interpreting search phrasing. If I need to reword it I might as well switch to a chatbot.
- lq9AJ8yrfs 2mo ago"Kidney transplantation is a surgery to eliminate a sound, working kidney from a living or cerebrum dead giver and embed it into a patient with non-working kidneys. Kidney transplantation is performed on patients with persistent kidney disappointment, or end-stage renal illness (ESRD). ESRD happens when a sickness or confusion harms the kidneys with the goal that they are presently not able to do satisfactorily eliminating liquids and squanders from the body or of keeping up with the legitimate level of specific kidney-directed synthetics in the circulatory system. Without long haul dialysis or a kidney relocate, ESRD is deadly." https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/Handbook-of-Kidney-Transplantation-2022-2023-6th-Edition-by-Kluwer-Wolters/9798355339418 https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/Handbook-of-Kidney... https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=kidney+disappointment&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=kidney+disappo... Wolters Kluwer seems to be a real multinational company?
- elric 2mo agoI hope the synopsis is the only thing that got mangled by the thesaurus bot...
- thaumasiotes 2mo ago> Wolters Kluwer seems to be a real multinational company? Funnily enough, your first link reports that the author of the book is "Kluwer, Wolters". Being a real multinational company doesn't mean they've read the books published under their imprint.
- userbinator 2mo agoI wonder if anyone else felt a somewhat "late 19th/early 20th-century" style in that paragraph; "sickness or confusion" and "liquids and squanders" stood out in particular.
- cryptoegorophy 2mo agoIn some languages disappointment does mean malfunction or problem. Like disappointment of stomach. Maybe they are using English words in papers instead of English language? Common for people whose English is not their first language.
- avalys 2mo agoMost of these are authored by what appear to be non-native English speakers. So, the most likely explanation is a translation issue. In engineering literature from Russia from the 1960s, one sometimes finds references to a ‘water goat’ in papers that are otherwise about heavy machinery. It turns out this is a twice-translated rendition of ‘hydraulic ram’.
- Joker_vD 2mo agoHey, it's not that easy to chose between "водяной баран" and "гидравлический таран", you know. My favourite example of troubled blind translation is still "naked conductor runs under the carriage".
- fc417fc802 2mo agoNice double entendre but it seems to be a perfectly valid description of electrical wiring in a machine? What was the original intent?
- Joker_vD 2mo agoIt is a perfectly valid description of electrical wiring... but you need to have that context to translate it properly. Technical English translation skills vs. literary English translation skills, if you will.
- JustARandomGuy 2mo agoWhat was "naked conductor runs under the carriage" supposed to be originally? Open driveshaft? Differential?
- Joker_vD 2mo agoIt's supposed to mean "a naked wire is stretched under the car". But it very well can be interpreted as, well, as a cloth-less train conductor having to quickly move under the carriage.
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- j2kun 2mo agoUnder "related searches" it suggests "kidney dissatisfaction", and indeed: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C38&q=%22kidney+dissatisfaction%22&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C38&q=%22...
- aix1 2mo agoHere is one hypothesis: https://theconversation.com/problematic-paper-screener-trawling-for-fraud-in-the-scientific-literature-246317 https://theconversation.com/problematic-paper-screener-trawl... <quote> Have you ever heard of the Joined Together States? Or bosom peril? Kidney disappointment? Fake neural organizations? Lactose bigotry? These nonsensical, and sometimes amusing, word sequences are among thousands of “tortured phrases” that sleuths have found littered throughout reputable scientific journals. They typically result from using paraphrasing tools to evade plagiarism-detection software when stealing someone else’s text. The phrases above are real examples of bungled synonyms for the United States, breast cancer, kidney failure, artificial neural networks, and lactose intolerance, respectively. </quote>
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- apexalpha 2mo agoDuring the whole BLM thing a few years ago my emplyer wanted "to do something" I guess so they added one of those "inclusive language" SaaS buttons. This seems more plausible to me. "Bosom peril" is not in any way a synonym for cancer. But if you think 'cancer' as a word will trigger people then softening it with 'peril' makes sense.
- mike_hearn 2mo agoIt's not a woke sensitivity thing. They're using spinners, tools designed for spammers years ago (long predating LLMs) that just randomly substitute words from a thesaurus. It works because so many academic journals are write-only media. The only things that actually "read" the papers are machines that check for plagiarism, compute citation counts and do other things used to decide on academic promotions. So it doesn't matter if the text is nonsensical. And the tools work for spam, the original use case, because people who want to buy Viagra from spam mails don't care if they have to read weird English, they just want to find the web shops. Works great for bypassing keyword and Bayesian filters though. Some papers show signs of being generated by context-free grammars or random phrase combination as well. These papers are often being produced by "paper mills" that bulk generate fake studies and sell them to academics, who use them to get promoted without having to do any real research. I wrote an article about the problem years ago if you want to learn more: https://dailysceptic.org/2021/10/03/436-randomly-generated-peer-reviewed-papers-published-by-springer-nature/ https://dailysceptic.org/2021/10/03/436-randomly-generated-p...
- thesdev 2mo ago> persistent kidney disappointment (CKF) Guess why the acronym doesn't match. It's called chronic kidney disease (CKD). Yeah the acronym is wrong too.
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- FloatArtifact 2mo agoI find this kind of free-phasing completely ridiculous. Just ask anyone that's had a kidney transfer that did not work out. I'm pretty sure they considered a failure, not just a disappointment.
- Aurornis 2mo agoIn the spring semester this year my teacher friends said they were getting a lot of student work that was unusually well written compared to the student’s other work, but also contain unnatural typos throughout. The students were using ChatGPT and thought they would trick the teacher by editing some typos in before submission. The cheating market is moving fast. There are now tools you can use to rephrase LLM generated output until the Pangram score drops low enough. Versions of this cat and mouse game have been going on for a long time. Before ChatGPT was a household name there was a market for simple paraphrasing tools that spammers would use to send variations of email text to try to delay pattern matching spam filters.
- SoftTalker 2mo agoCheating detection technology will be a cat and mouse game, but a good teacher who knows his students will spot cheating almost immediately (proving it might be more difficult). The only solution is to evaluate students in ways that they can't cheat. Hand-written exams in class, oral exams, etc. but that is quite time-consuming and most teachers at least in K-12 are already overloaded.
- tingletech 2mo agoGoogle scholar thinks I'm a robot and won't let me look at the link
- exabrial 2mo agoI’m guessing this has something to do with the EU mandate for AI watermarking content
- exabrial 2mo agoWell for the ding dong that downvoted me, here's a technical explanation of why this is a plausible theory * current LLMs work by choosing next likely token, with a small randomization built in (emulating how humans sometimes substitute words) * one implementation of the text marking is to "rig" the dice roll above, but do that on based upon a certain key * so by looking at word substitutions in text, you can use a key verify it was generated by an llm. * the algo is designed not to substitute proper nouns and some other asterisks... no idea if it's deterministic or not. So yes, this is completely possible and even fits what happened.
- duskwuff 2mo agoThe phenomenon of tortured phrases in published papers has been going on since at least 2020 - long before LLMs were a significant factor, and certainly before watermarking their output was a consideration. The general working theory is that these phrases are the result of a "text spinner" tool being applied to a manuscript and blindly replacing random words or phrases using a preset list of synonyms (which are often imprecise and/or inappropriate). https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.06751 https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.06751 found that many of the commonly observed phrases were characteristic of an online text-spinning tool.
- exabrial 2mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49324087 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49324087
- WhyComboNadir 2mo agoWe were staying at a nice ocean-side resort in Dana Point, California. My wife, our daughter, and I, were chilling by one of the pools. Suddenly security was announcing "There's been a sanitary inconvenience, everyone must leave the pool!!! We apologize, but there's been a sanitary inconvenience!". A moment later we saw them scooping up some floating poop that had escape some baby's swim diaper.
- thegrim33 2mo agoKind of reminds me of the neutered newspeak where people now choose to use words like "unalive" instead of "kill"
- pattilupone 2mo agoI learned from Jeopardy! that this is called algospeak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algospeak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algospeak
- sourweasel 2mo agoMy favorite so far: >”…in 2015, 1.2 million people kicked the bucket from kidney dissatisfaction, a development of 32% since…”
- alkyon 2mo agoSNR aka flag-to-commotion ratio https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22flag+to+commotion%22&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22f...
- duskwuff 2mo agoSome more examples of these tortured phrases: https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.06751 https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.06751 A few of my favorites are "counterfeit consciousness" (artificial intelligence), "discourse acknowledgement" (voice recognition), and "arbitrary get right of passage to memory" (random access memory).
- SideburnsOfDoom 2mo agoAn earlier example of something similar was "Vegetative electron microscopy" https://www.sciencealert.com/a-strange-phrase-keeps-turning-up-in-scientific-papers-but-why https://www.sciencealert.com/a-strange-phrase-keeps-turning-... https://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/vegetative-electron-microscopy.html https://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/vegetative-electron...
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- paul_milovanov 2mo ago"I'm not even angry, I'm just
- xyst 2mo agoThis is a post-meritocracy world, unfortunately. Plagiarism has turned the to pushing out blatant slop. People gaming the system. Diluting the pool of real research.
- aorth 2mo agoSo far all the comments discuss whether this is due to LLM slop, plagiarism avoidance, or translation issues. I want to know how these passed the peer review process.
- cubefox 2mo agoBy the way, Google Translate is really good nowadays. It would certainly not make such mistakes anymore. In my experience, for long text it is even outperforming conventional LLMs in terms of faithfulness: Some LLMs tend to produce overly loose translations on long prose. Also, sometimes they just refuse to translate text they deem offensive.
- hazrmard 2mo agoTurns out the balance of my PhD thesis was coming up with ways to cheer up disappointed drones >:(
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- dilyevsky 2mo agothis reminds me how in the late aughts russian government tried to create some national, lib-free wikipedia version so what they did was rip entirety of wikipedia, deleted some articles and then search-replaced "wiki" with their name in the entire corpus. hilarity ensued within articles about vikings (most slavic languages only have single variant for v/w, except polish) and more.
- ricardobeat 2mo agoI'm a fan of "counterfeit consciousness": https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22counterfeit+consciousness%22&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22c...
- nickdothutton 2mo agoOnce had a lengthy battle with a marketing person. They attempted to change "uninterruptible" (as in Uninterruptible Power Supply) into non-interruptible, and then finally into interruptible. Took the best part of a week to get it fixed.
- userbinator 2mo agoAs others have pointed out, this phenomenon is pre-AI; but what perplexes me about LLMs is how unnatural their output can be, despite being trained on real human English. A recent example I saw here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49235242 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49235242
- avd201 2mo ago"Tortured phrases" is the name of the phenomena, papers have been written about it since 2021.
- Semiapies 2mo ago"Heart disappointment" also shows up.
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