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Japan develops a method to recover up to 90% of lithium from used EV batteries
- cosqtanq 2mo ago[dead]
- yanhangyhy 2mo agowhy bother? japan hate EV
- jazzyjackson 2mo agoJapan wants domestic industry and specializes in things other than battery production
- nextaccountic 2mo agoOn another comment in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48902162 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48902162 it is said > Toyota is still digging its heels in on gas-powered cars, even though the fact that Tesla used Japanese batteries in its early days proves Japan was once ahead of the curve.but they always seem to retreat right back into their comfort zone after a brief flash of brilliance, watching the rest of the world race ahead while they continue living in the past. Did Japan get behind on battery tech? Couldn't them make a priority to get an edge there too?
- mc3301 2mo agoI used to follow it closely and be in the industry, but it still seems like Japan is gonna be the last "mostly ICE cars" of the developed countries. Which is a shame, because it has a perfect combination of short-range needs (I mean, look at kei-cars), tons of wonderful places to hang out while charging (toll-way rest areas are so good), rare sub-freezing temperatures in most of the country, mandatory vehicle inspections (which could collect great safety data as well as preventative maintenance), general love of new cars and brand loyalty, lack of political or individual divide of "big gas trucks are manly", mobile-power-station earthquake preparedness (a nice bonus), generally cooperative nation-wide infrastructure... I guess we just have to hope the main automakers can hold on long enough for solid-state batteries and move faster than a snail's pace when it does.
- cammikebrown 2mo agoIf you live in Tokyo or Osaka you really shouldn’t own a car
- zdragnar 2mo agoWhat about the parent comment implied Tokyo or Osaka residence?
- cyberax 2mo agoHence nobody should live in Tokyo and Osaka.
- klempner 2mo agoAnd one of the points that's a little more obvious living here: Japan is a remarkably car centric culture. Not quite to the extent of America, but in much of the country you really do need a car. If anything the main exceptions to that are exactly the places tourists are most likely to go.
- happosai 2mo agoI disagree, I lived a year in a small town near Osaka far from any tourist attractions and never did I wish I had a car. Public transport was ubiquitous and walking infrastructure excellent. Lots of people on bikes. Roads were tiny so cars on them are tiny and driving slowly, making it feel safe to share the roads with them. Maybe the most clear indication that Japan isn't a car centric culture was the complete lack of FREE parking space.
- tonyedgecombe 2mo agoJapan has 670 cars per 1,000 people, the US has 779. Not a huge gap.
- happosai 2mo agoWhich shows that you can have lots of cars without having a cars-only culture. Freedom of choice of the mode of transport, and pay for privilege vs externalizing the costs of cars.
- chvid 2mo agoIt is curious - you would think they would love it? But they don't - is it simply the case of the Chinese beating them - stubbornness and pride? Or is there something more going on? Toyota was seemingly decades ahead at one point with their hybrid cars; but now they have resigned to a defensive position compared to Tesla, Chinese automakers, even the European ones.
- yanhangyhy 2mo ago> you would think they would love it? no. i just found it funny. > Or is there something more going on? I remember BYD actually had to design models specifically tailored to the Japanese market (k-car)—their preferences are honestly so bizarre. I think a lot of this comes down to their national character. Once external momentum fades—like the industrial transfers from the US—they seem to lose the drive for technological innovation. They just cling to whatever they already have and refuse to adapt to global shifts.People in Japan are still using Yahoo and fax machines（not to mention their own bizarrely proprietary text editors,Hidemaru/SAKURA editor, to compare, in china, it's also vscode）. Toyota is still digging its heels in on gas-powered cars, even though the fact that Tesla used Japanese batteries in its early days proves Japan was once ahead of the curve.but they always seem to retreat right back into their comfort zone after a brief flash of brilliance, watching the rest of the world race ahead while they continue living in the past.
- hnav 2mo agoThat's probably a good thing, the world needs appliance-like cars for markets where EV charging isn't there yet. Meanwhile Toyota is #1, moving millions of units, something like half of them are electrified in most markets. A 2026 Camry, for $30k, gives the buyer a low-TCO, value retaining, 50mpg, 230hp appliance of a car. That's a rarity.
- protocolture 2mo ago>They just cling to whatever they already have and refuse to adapt to global shifts.People in Japan are still using Yahoo and fax machines（not to mention their own bizarrely proprietary text editors,Hidemaru/SAKURA editor, to compare, in china, it's also vscode）. James May suggests in his doco "The Peoples Car" that the US auto market was like this when Japan was recovering from WW2, giving them the edge. It wouldnt surprise me if after a few years of success that they also stagnate.
- jeffbee 2mo agoEvery Tesla made in America contains 500 kilos of Japan's finest batteries. Honda may hate the EV but Panasonic does not.
- rootusrootus 2mo ago> Japan's finest batteries Aren’t all Teslas made in the US supplied with American made batteries? In partnership with Panasonic, for the Model 3, but still a Tesla factory in Nevada. And I think 4680s are all Tesla made, correct?
- jeffbee 2mo agoNo, they are all 100% made by Panasonic, with Panasonic technology, in buildings that Panasonic master-leases from Tesla. The only thing Tesla has contributed is the shell and the sign outside. Panasonic developed the 4680 form factor at Tesla's request, by the way that program has been a major failure.
- JumpCrisscross 2mo ago> No, they are all 100% made by Panasonic, with Panasonic technology, in buildings that Panasonic master-leases from Tesla Gigafactory Nevada is jointly operated by Tesla and Panasonic [1]. That's in America. (No clue on the master lease bit. Would be curious for your source.) [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/panasonic-boost-battery-output-teslas-nevada-gigafactory-nikkei-2023-06-05/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/panaso...
- mc3301 2mo agoFun, somewhat related, fact. For a long time (not sure about now), the high-voltage connectors in Tesla were made by (but not labeled) Yazaki. Made in Japan. But the QC tests to Yazaki's deisred level didn't exist yet, and Tesla did their own tests. And Tesla was maximizing it's "Made in the US" stance, which either goes by weight or components. So Yazaki was secretly making unlabeled high-voltage connectors in Japan, selling them to Tesla, who could then test them themselves and claim falsely the source of production.
- fzeroff 2mo agoWhat a poorly written article
- donjapan22 2mo agoWhile I’m very excited for the new recycling breakthrough, I felt the same. It was… off
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- Danox 2mo agoHow is Toyota and Honda doing in the car market in comparison to GM and Ford? How is Sony and Nintendo doing in the gaming market? In comparison to Microsoft? How is Japan doing in the steel industry? How is Japan doing in their efforts to match Space X? I Applaud their recent success with their rocket. Japan seems to do well in research and development, and they also seem to open to iterate over time very well when they put their minds to it. I’m glad they’re somewhat on our side but not mindlessly so.
- realxrobau 2mo agoDid you expect more from a website called Supercar Blondie?
- zaik 2mo agoCan this be replaced with the original NHK World article?
- iwassayinbourns 2mo agoI can’t seem to find it on NHK World at all apart from in a video from April? Is this old news? The linked article is also very sensationalized. Edit: linked article is also from April.
- bamboozled 2mo ago“Japan”, as in the whole country developed this tech ?
- jazzyjackson 2mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy
- acksmack 2mo agoTIL 'The White House' isn't a sentient building
- somenameforme 2mo agoWould make for a nice sci-fi, and explain a lot. Not only is it sentient, it's telepathic and malicious!
- adrianN 2mo agoI would read that SCP
- contextfree 2mo agoMetal Gear Solid 2 sort of
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- waterproof 2mo agoaccording to https://x.com/Mith_/status/2041911606213537971 https://x.com/Mith_/status/2041911606213537971 > The industry standard for the recovery of lithium (remember there is a difference between recovery and extraction) is 90%, with some platforms now achieving 95%+ like those that use carbonation.
- toomuchtodo 2mo agoSome battery recycling challenges are minimal volume at this point on the EV adoption curve, and LFP and sodium ion battery chemistries won’t be worth recycling for the materials alone (but still require recycling as ewaste). https://www.npr.org/2026/07/13/nx-s1-5847025/ev-battery-recycling-economics https://www.npr.org/2026/07/13/nx-s1-5847025/ev-battery-recy... https://www.npr.org/2026/03/02/nx-s1-5706658/electric-vehicle-battery-lifespan https://www.npr.org/2026/03/02/nx-s1-5706658/electric-vehicl... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48893945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48893945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48013768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48013768
- koolala 2mo agoWhat is the standard non-renewable resource used for the recovery process? What materials are used up as catalysts to convert it back?
- Sabinus 2mo agoSulfuric acid, hydrogen peroxide, sodium carbonate. Not catalysts but reagents. Most currently come from fossil fuel feedstock but that isn't essential.
- mattclarkdotnet 2mo agoWhy would any of those compounds come from fossil fuels? Sulfur is mined, hydrogen peroxide is water with some oxygen taken off, and sodium carbonate is made from salt and limestone
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- cyphar 2mo agoIt really should not be surprising that we can get very high recovery percentages from batteries -- we do not mine elemental lithium, so the processes we use for extraction are already designed to extract lithium from fairly low-purity sources. In contrast, lithium batteries are an incredibly high-purity source of lithium. The main question is when it will become cost-effective to create recycling pipelines. Lead acid batteries had a similar trajectory and modern lead acid batteries are effectively 100% recycled.
- JumpCrisscross 2mo ago> It really should not be surprising that we can get very high recovery percentages from batteries -- we do not mine elemental lithium Plenty of substances we don't mine elementally are not worth recycling. The main advantage with lithium is it tends to go into large volumes of standardised chemistries.
- leonidasrup 2mo agoU.S. lead acid baterries recycling has been outsourced. " As the United States tightened regulations on lead processing to protect Americans over the past three decades, finding domestic lead became a challenge. So the auto industry looked overseas to supplement its supply. In doing so, car and battery manufacturers pushed the health consequences of lead recycling onto countries where enforcement is lax, testing is rare and workers are desperate for jobs. " https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/20/world/americas/car-batteries-lead-mexico.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/20/world/americas/car-batter... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/11/18/world/africa/lead-poisoning-car-battery.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/11/18/world/africa/...
- t_mahmood 2mo agoYeah, too many lead batteries here, and there are a lot of battery recycle factories. It's been a health and environment concern for a while. And these batteries allowed to put motors on rickshaw, we call them "Tesla", And they are also another hazard, and menace for the price of faster transportation.
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- simondotau 2mo agoThis article is poor, because lithium is just one part of the value contained within EV batteries. Far more valuable is any nickel, cobalt and graphite. Equally valuable is any copper and aluminium. Unless you're effectively recycling a significant number of the major materials, it's not enough. Furthermore, it's not a remarkable achievement. By contrast to this headline, Redwood Materials claims "Redwood’s technology can recover, on average, more than 95% of materials like nickel, cobalt, copper, aluminum, lithium and graphite in a lithium-ion battery."[0] [0] https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/recycle-with-us/ https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/recycle-with-us/
- mbgerring 2mo agoThe battery supply chain is moving away from NMC because of the myriad problems with nickel and cobalt and has been for a long time.
- simondotau 2mo agoYes, LFP is a better chemistry for various reasons including cost. Thankfully this means that nickel and cobalt are not needed for EVs adoption to continue scaling. For now, NMC remains superior for some high performance applications, as well as for high-end laptops and phones. Yes, there are "myriad" problems with nickel and cobalt. These problems will diminish as scale makes recycling economically competitive to virgin material mining. At some point the number of EV batteries being disposed will approach equilibrium to the number of new vehicle batteries manufactured. When this happens the amount of virgin nickel and cobalt needed will also approach zero.
- tpm 2mo ago> Far more valuable is any nickel, cobalt and graphite. Equally valuable is any copper and aluminium. All of these metals are already almost fully recycled (not sure about graphite). Lithium is the toughest to recycle and it's not solved yet, so it's right to focus on that, because there will be a lot of lithium electrolyte to dispose in the near future.
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- jmcgough 2mo ago> This new technique doesn’t just recycle materials; it recovers most of them at an unbelievable rate. I'm so tired of reading articles written by LLM. There are several sites that just ingest material (like studies) and crap out low-effort LLM articles.
- dodos 2mo agoI used to enjoy watching smaller youtubers, but everytime I've given one a chance lately it has been unbearably clear that it was written by an llm. Supposedly people have ingested so much llm writing that they've naturally started writing in a similar style.
- ggm 2mo agoThe key point will be the energy inputs, and catalyst or other process input losses. Not the % recovery, its more recovery at an economically viable cost Many processes could recover the inputs. Some are tremendously polluting. Cheap methods to recover lead from older lead-acid car batteries would be an example, or the way scavengers burn plastic insulation of recovered copper wiring. TL;DR exernalities and economics and pollution drive recycling issues, not % recovery at this point. We know how to recover a lot of the inputs. Knowing how to industrialise and scale it up is what counts. John McCarthy (of LISP fame) was an (in)famous curmudgeon on USENET, frequently used to say future generations will thank us for making giant collections in the ground of highly valuable recoverable industrial inputs, what we call "rubbish dumps" -He was only partially less wrong, but had a point to make about the cost of inputs to industry vs raw mining costs. If we do come up with a process to strip mine rubbish dumps and send feedstocks in the appropriate directions there's a lot there. Complex plastics, Metals, Organics, Acids, Methane Gas, you-name-it. We already collect and harvest the methane to drive other dump works, the idea of mining the materials isn't "wrong" as much as insufficiently economic right now against raw material sources.
- justnoice 2mo agoThe 90% recovery rate is not groundbreaking by itself. The real value is lower contamination and emissions—but it still needs to prove cost-effective at industrial scale.
- nkmnz 2mo agoScientists found a way to extract up to 90% of oxygen from air! They call it “breathing”.
- JumpCrisscross 2mo ago> Scientists found a way to extract up to 90% of oxygen from air! They call it “breathing” No, they don't and no, they wouldn't. "Inhaled air [at sea level] contains 21% O2 while exhaled breath contains approximately 16% O2 and 5% CO2" [1]. 24% recovery. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8672270/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8672270/
- nkmnz 2mo agoGenius.
- stevefan1999 2mo agoSo long or short Lithium?
- feverzsj 2mo agoWhat about the cost? In China, most used batteries are just burned and buried, so the recycling cost is very low.
- est 2mo agowhataboutism and fake news https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-61481-y https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-61481-y https://interestingengineering.com/energy/china-recovery-materials-retired-ev-batteries https://interestingengineering.com/energy/china-recovery-mat...
- feverzsj 2mo agoAccording to the latest report from a state owned media, 75% of used batteries end up in underground workshops. [0]: https://www.yicai.com/news/103030411.html https://www.yicai.com/news/103030411.html
- googletop 2mo agoMercedes opened a battery recycling plant in 2024, claiming a recycling rate of 96%, of the whole battery. So not sure how much of a breakthrough this japanese tech is https://group.mercedes-benz.com/company/news/recycling-factory-kuppenheim.html https://group.mercedes-benz.com/company/news/recycling-facto...
- jillesvangurp 2mo agoThe article seems to be very unspecific about what it is this company does that is so different. It also steps over the fact that there are already quite a few companies active in the US, EU, and China that are recycling batteries. Nor is the cited percentage that remarkable. That's ballpark what competitors are achieving as well. Probably a bit more. 10% lithium is a lot of lithium to not recover. Most natural deposits of lithium have very low concentrations of it. The main thing actually holding back the recycling industry is the lack of batteries that need recycling, not the lack of technology needed to recycle them. Most of the batteries produced in the last ten years are still being used. And quite a few might head for a second life in storage for another decade or so. It's probably going to be another decade before recycling hits a scale where it becomes a significant and lucrative source of valuable raw materials. And as others mentioned, it's not just about recycling the lithium in batteries. It's not like cobalt, nickel, copper, graphite, etc. end up on the trash heap.
- officeplant 2mo ago>lack of batteries that need recycling This is why I would like to see regulation on disposable lithium powered devices. Some other countries are enforcing it finally with all the disposable vapes littering our environments. Easiest method is similar handling to lead acid batteries requiring you to return a battery to buy one, or pay a core charge. It could even encourage people to pick up vapes off the ground so they can go buy one without the charge.
- akssri 2mo agoSome geopolitical context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Senkaku_boat_collision_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Senkaku_boat_collision_in... https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/japans-responses-chinas-supply-chain-dominance https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/comme... Japan was one of the first countries to be hit with rare-earth export-restrictions by China - going back to 2010. It seems that a lot of policy came out from this unpleasant shock, incl. the decision by Toyota to focus on developing FCEVs which would be less dependent on Chinese supply-chains. Ironically, the resulting vacuum may have actually led to Chinese/American companies gaining market share in the BEV space. Still, given how things are going, FCEVs (and Japan with it) might actually end-up having the last laugh.
- legitster 2mo agoThere's a reason Japan could be burdened with the largest modern nuclear disaster and then choose to double down on nuclear capacity. It's an island nation with no domestic energy reserves - completely dependent on energy markets. FCEVs make no sense if you have plenty of fossil fuel or access to cheap lithium batteries. But if you see hydrogen as a less resource-bottlenecked way to store energy, it starts to make sense.
- topato 2mo agoI’ve always been amazed at how differently the PHEV, HFC, and standard EV market ended up (well, until recently) playing out, in Japan Vs The Rest of the World. I always found the hydrogen stations here in California to be an interesting anomaly — but once you learn about the infrastructure and vehicles forced on the Japanese by gov/corp alliance, you really get a fascinating ‘alternate reality/history’ localized entirely on the island of Japan lol
- Danox 2mo agoJapan, as an island nation, it’s only natural that Japan look for ways that can use the ocean around them, it is also natural for them to look to recycle, and cost is no object, relatively speaking, because you have to try to use the resources at hand around you.
- BaudouinVH 2mo agoThe article is very, very light with details. The university or research center is not named. No scientist is named. No link. Nothing that tells "look, we're telling you real, solid, serious stuff." Here is another article with that details : https://www.techspot.com/news/112051-japan-finds-way-recover-90-lithium-old-ev.html https://www.techspot.com/news/112051-japan-finds-way-recover...
- neuroelectron 2mo agoBeing able to quickly skim articles is definitely a skill that has paid in spades since the advent of AI slop.
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- cicko 2mo agoyou seem to have missed the domain on which the article is posted
- progx 2mo agoCosts?
- dburkland 2mo agoRedwood Materials already recovers 95% so why is this news?
- bell-cot 2mo agoI could speculate about Redwood's tech being more expensive in other ways, or Japan having "not invented here" issues. But it sounds like 90% vs 95% is academic in today's Japan: > In Japan's case, though, the biggest bottleneck right now isn't the technology. It's actually getting dead batteries to recyclers in the first place. Only about 14% of end-of-life lithium-ion batteries in the country currently make it through official collection channels. Many retired EVs actually end up getting exported, making those valuable metals inaccessible. Solving this problem is now more important than ever.
- trhway 2mo agolithium is $22/kg, 100KWh battery is 10kg lithium, i.e. the question is can you do it for $200?
- eecc 2mo agoThere are other forces besides market prices... regulatory compliance comes to mind..
- imtringued 2mo agoOr the fact that China is the primary source of lithium and if Chinese car brands start exporting their cars worldwide, there is no reason for them give the raw resources to western car manufacturers, forcing them to buy the whole battery pack from China.
- defrost 2mo agoFact? <cough> Australia will sell the raw resource ( hard-rock spodumene ) to anyone that wants a X-year contract - it's on them to process the concentrate (although we are currently building out spodumene processing). Australia has one of the biggest lithium reserves, and is the biggest producer of lithium by weight, with most of its production coming from mines in Western Australia. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_mining_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_mining_in_Australia There's also Chile: Lithium mining in Chile is the second largest in the world in terms of extraction after it was surpassed by Australia in 2012. Chile, like Argentina and Bolivia, is located within the Lithium Triangle, an area of South America that houses the largest known reserves of lithium on the planet. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_mining_in_Chile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_mining_in_Chile It might pay to brush up on mineral resources, processing, and global trade patterns before over confidently launching into faux-facts.
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- broccolover 2mo agoMy guy just called human rights abuses (lithium mining) ‘geopolitically complicated’
- hungryhobo 2mo agoworth noting this isn't ground breaking or anything, the status quo for lithium recovery from battery recycling in many countries is already > 90%
- jwr 2mo agoIncidentally, companies developing technologies for reusing EV batteries in grid storage applications (where even <80% capacity EV batteries are just fine for many years), have trouble getting enough EV batteries, because they last much longer than we were made to believe.
- qsera 2mo ago"how much they last" does not play a part in the recycle load the industry will have to handle though...
- brandelune 2mo agoIt looks like it’s not so much a breakthrough than an ongoing research that aims at producing this kind of results at scale: https://green-innovation.nedo.go.jp/en/article/liquid-lithium/ https://green-innovation.nedo.go.jp/en/article/liquid-lithiu... “While these targets have already been achieved at the laboratory level, we are now moving into the phase of mid-scale demonstration,”
- rohin15 2mo agoOnline hydrometallurgy plants are already more effective than this.
- Ratelman 2mo agoSo this isn't groundbreaking results and the article itself is of questionable quality without sufficient detail as to why this is a newsworthy result. How is this the top rated article on hacker news? A more meaningful example would have been the paper that sets out a scalable and cost-effective route for closing the loop on LFP materials, while demonstrating that high-yield lithium recovery and environmental responsibility are not mutually exclusive: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921344925006433 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092134492...
- ufocia 2mo agoAgreed. For example, what does the color of lithium hydroxide used instead of sodium hydroxide have to do with anything? They are both white.
- gus_massa 2mo agoYep, the part about the color is ridiculous. After reading that paragraph a few times my guess is: <guess> The normal procces uses Sodium Hidroxide that destroy a lot of things but the result is a mix of crap, Sodium salts an Litium salts that are very difficult to separate because they have very similar chemical properties. Usualy Sodium Hidroxide is cheaper, so in general it's a good idea. But they have plenty of Litium arround. If you replace the Sodium Hidroxide in the procces with Litium Hidroxide, it should destroy almost everything too. But now the result isonly crap an Litium salt, so you can skip a big part of the separation procces. </guess>
- lencastre 2mo agoseems as credible as room temperature super conductors
- jszymborski 2mo ago> This new technique doesn’t just recycle materials; it recovers most of them at an unbelievable rate. This isn't just an LLMism, it's a painfully redundant phrase. Not much worth me reading forward if even the authors weren't arsed to write the damn thing.
- minraws 2mo agoI would like govts to legislate this and make recycling a necessary part of the product lifecycle, maybe help companies out, the recovery is a lot less energy intensive and harmful for the environment than mining and sourcing them generally, I genuinely question why hasn't it scaled up across the world, it doesn't seem like it's impossible challenge, perhaps until recently sourcing it was cheap enough that no one invested in scaling it up. I remember how Lead acid battery recycling has now become commonplace even in fairly under developed parts of the world. I guess it's all about incentives. sigh.
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- nashashmi 2mo agoThis whole time I thought lithium was recyclable. We have been wasting our time on this! 50 pct recovery is terrible.
- officeplant 2mo agoIt's going to be a strange day 8-10 years from now (my EV is 2.5 years old) when it comes time to try and get an aftermarket or OEM replacement battery for it, hopefully the larger one from a later model. If recycling is set up properly the core charge is going to be enormous and make me question if its worth turning in the old battery or repurposing it as home electricity storage.
- greenoracle9 2mo agoA 90% recovery process does not help much if most batteries never make it into the right recycling stream in the first place.
- qiuwu 2mo agoOK, huge title with little detail. Can't believe until i saw a comment 'Less dependence on China', then i got it. Believe in what you want to believe, not depends on truth.