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Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies
- psoeratas 3mo ago[flagged]
- Hugsbox 3mo agoWhat on earth are you even talking about
- moron4hire 3mo agoThere is a certain brand of conservative Republicans who have learned to weaponize antisemitism against Democrats. The general operating theory is that, since the Holocaust, anyone with even Jewish heritage can do no wrong (though I question the sincerity of the view). Palantir's CEO, Alex Karp, is the son of a Jewish man. I specifically say "son of," because I understand Jewish heritage to be matrilineal and I don't see Alex Karp engaging in any specifically Jewish traditions. But he does also seem to be one of the "Weaponize the Holocaust" Republicans. Thus, you get defenders such as this.
- psoebasura 3mo ago[flagged]
- meindnoch 3mo agohttps://responsiblestatecraft.org/peter-thiel-israel-palantir/ https://responsiblestatecraft.org/peter-thiel-israel-palanti...
- psoebasura 3mo ago[flagged]
- ChrisArchitect 3mo ago[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48748392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48748392
- _ink_ 3mo agoI really like what Spain is doing recently. If it weren't for climate change, I'd consider moving there.
- Xenoamorphous 3mo agoThe current government has little chance to get re-elected, and the next one will revert most of these decisions.
- ncruces 3mo agoIt could be worse can only take a government so far. Eventually, just preaching to the choir catches up with you.
- littlecranky67 3mo agoCanary Islands are part of Spain and probably unaffected from climate change - we have 19-22°C all year round. If it raises to 25° still pretty livable.
- b40d-48b2-979e 3mo agoand probably unaffected from climate change No place is unaffected.
- pedrogpimenta 3mo agoNo, but the island's climate will still be chill.
- stronglikedan 3mo agoMost places will be unaffected. It'll only affect places where humans are, and we're not even close to filling up the planet
- hrldcpr 3mo ago> It'll only affect places where humans are What?
- redsocksfan45 3mo ago[dead]
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- emsign 3mo agoGreat news for Spain. I hope more European countries wake up to what's going on.
- CurbStomper 3mo ago[dead]
- pirataespanyol 3mo ago[dead]
- milanito1985 3mo agoSpain is really going in the right direction, I wonder why no one countries inspire from what they are doing
- sucrosesucrose 3mo ago[flagged]
- ks2048 3mo agoIt seems in current discourse, turning a European country into another USA is a compliment.
- croes 3mo agoWhy do you thinks so? A country with narcissistic criminal as leader who damages the US science for decades, kills people by dismantling USAID. The raising costs because of his four-week-war against Iran doesn’t help either but damages the economy worldwide.
- ks2048 3mo agoI didn't say I think so - I said in current discourse - e.g. this site and x.com. The narrative is that Europe is stagnant and US has pulled ahead, at least economically. I think that can be consistent with Trump destroying the long term future of the country and the planet.
- vrganj 3mo agoI think the immigration is what keeps Spain from turning into another Japan or Germany - a stagnant, overly old place stuck in time.
- fpoling 3mo agoAnd in Spain most immigrants are from Latin America with close enough culture and language to avoid most integration problems.
- Devasta 3mo agoAnything short of declaring them a proscribed organization is insufficient.
- gus_ 3mo agoUnfortunately this order will probably be revoked in 2027/2028, we'll see.
- munk-a 3mo agoIt is possible and this in particular is a decision that I'm sure the US will pressure the government to reverse. However, it's misguided to see the entire world through the US political lens where reversing policy decisions is seen as a free win by the voting base. Spain's current democracy is only about fifty years old and extremism is viewed very negatively so outright undoing is generally less common then gradual undermining.
- chinathrow 3mo agoLook, this is not a bad thing per se, but the US reaction will tell you everything you need to know.
- NooneAtAll3 3mo agowhy not simply make it illegal? why make it a ban specific to one company, are they trying to make their own copy?
- RobertoG 3mo agoThey didn't ban any company, they just ordered public services and public companies not to use what has been classified as a security risk. Anybody here think that Palantir is not a security risk for Spain?
- FridgeSeal 3mo ago> Anybody here think that Palantir is not a security risk for Spain? It boggles the mind a bit, but I’ve seen a few comments on here with people defending them to the tune of “what’s the big deal, they just help governments with their data! They're innocent” which is uh, either aggressively naive, or just paid PR behaviour.
- NooneAtAll3 3mo ago> Anybody here think that Palantir is not a security risk for Spain? why is THAT your take and not "WTF WHY ARE THOSE CAMERAS LEGAL IN GENERAL?"
- 8note 3mo agothey could be attached to non-US-owned-tiktok which is clearly the biggest security threat to have ever existed
- NooneAtAll3 3mo agojesus fuck, biggest security threat is that IT SPIES ON ALL CITIZENS it doesn't matter where the data go - THE VERY COLLECTION OF IT IS BAD
- dofm 3mo agoPalantir is profoundly untrusted in Europe in part because of Alex Karp. He is viewed as a dangerous neo-nationalist (not incorrectly). Never really sure why Anduril doesn't catch the same grief; they are maybe even creepier. Perhaps Palmer Luckey is just a less visible obvious Bond villain crackpot.
- holoduke 3mo agoI find it unbelievable that the current chief of Nato (Rutte) is basically an extension of Palantir. He is making sure countries are signing contracts with this extreme company that on pair with the Nazi ideology. They would support mass extermination camps. You probably think this is over exaggerated. But no its not. This company is evil.
- CrzyLngPwd 3mo agoPretty sure he would do unspeakable things if it meant getting a pat on the head, and a Good Boy, from the real head of nato.
- loeber 3mo agoYou're out of your mind -- and politically radicalized -- if you think that Palantir is on part with the Nazis. And this kind of facile comparison is offensively trivializing those who died in the holocaust.
- Laurel1234 3mo agoThey're already helping run ICE's concentration camps. If Trump asked them for help with extermination camps they'd agree immediately.
- omnimus 3mo ago“offensively trivializing those who died in the Holocaust” - calling someone nazi or fascist is not trivializing Holocaust. These are clear terms and both Palantir and Karp often publish texts with fascist ideological elements and views. Read something they published like Technological republic. They are not hiding it. It's not even some radical view.
- loeber 3mo agoYou're moving the goalposts. The original poster wrote that Palantir is on par with the Nazis. (Typos notwithstanding.) That's what I'm responding to. And yes, it is offensive and trivializing to the millions that were murdered to suggest that that their murderers were on the same moral footing as a modern government software consultancy. (The views that you read into some of their executives are, in fact, not equivalent to actions such as exterminating millions of people.)
- sequoia 3mo ago"The decision stems directly from growing official concern over the potential misuse of classified information linked to national security." What are the specific concerns?
- badgersnake 3mo agoI imagine that’s classified.
- sequoia 3mo agoPeople in the comments here are praising the move, so presumably something is public. I've googled but I can't see some specific breach or documented misuse. Is the objection to Palantir strictly political?
- tough 3mo agoThere's been a lot of recent scandals going public against the social democratic party ruling on spain now (PSOE) and its previous dirigents. See Zapatero case. leaked by US agencies recently once Spain put some kind of friction to the Rota south spain bases getting involved on anything vs Iran. The president P. Sanchez, has been clearly antagonizing Trump in these and other intl issues (even if only visible in spain, as he is not that relevant internationally, etc) But anyways, this seems like deepstate fighting vs current US admin and current Spain admin, one can infer "Palantir" is basically a gag order away from giving the US govt anything it wants, so as an antagonist. to its current admin, it seems smart to avoid having them as critical providers. why choose china? Makes no sense, but probably the only other big bro Spain can rely on if the US isn't it anymore
- sequoia 3mo agoOK so this is not specific to Palantir, but about entrusting sensitive Spanish data to any US based company. If so, that makes sense.
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- Fairburn 3mo agoSomeday, the US will be just a bubble where no other country gives their data to. We continue this decent into fascism to the point that nobody likes us.. or values us. Is this their idea of Utopia?
- RIMR 3mo agoUnfortunately, yes. The American right has looked at Russia as a model for what they want America to be for some time.
- protocolture 3mo agoIts what the US wants, and honestly at this point we should just completely cordon off the US from the rest of the world and give it to them.
- villish 3mo agoWhy don't you stop using American sites and services now then? I see comments like this a lot but no one wants to be personally inconvenienced to stop using hn/youtube/reddit/whatever.
- protocolture 3mo ago>Why don't you stop using American sites and services now then? So it is what you want.
- villish 3mo agoI honestly don't care. I just push back on some of this rhetoric by challenging those who say this to actually practice what they preach.
- one33seven 3mo agoIt's what heritage foundation, elon and all the other billionaires want. This is not what most americans wanted, is it? How much of the population voted for orange man?
- Dibby053 3mo agoThey seem to have been granting contracts to manage all kinds of critical data to Huawei's Palantir equivalent lately, so it's probably less about security risks and more about the current source of the bribe money. If they cared about security they would not outsource this kind of stuff to foreign companies. Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it?
- psoebasura 3mo ago[flagged]
- josu 3mo ago>Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it? The data may be safer with the CCP, at least they won't lose it.
- broken-kebab 3mo agoDunno, losing it maybe safer from a citizen's POV.
- markdown 3mo agoOdd take. 99.99999% of citizens will never travel to China, so it matters not that the Chinese govt holds their data. A local company losing the data screws everyone. Palantir getting the data screws everyone, because while foreign, that data will eventually be fed into global systems like VISA, Mastercard, etc, and affect your travel in numerous countries that will be outsourcing their systems to Palantir.
- fluoridation 3mo agoYou can't predict the future. By your own reasoning, you can't say with any degree of certainty that it will never matter if China has a citizen's data just because that person will never travel there.
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- bpodgursky 3mo ago> The firm holds a €16.5 million contract signed in 2023 with the Armed Forces Intelligence Center (CIFAS), which is scheduled to expire this upcoming November. > Military leadership, including the Chiefs of Staff of the Army and Navy, has lobbied Defense Minister Margarita Robles to renew the contract, citing the platform's operational superiority. Palantir wins contracts because they are better at what they do. If Europe wants to maintain digital sovereignty while not being left behind they need to have a heart-to-heart conversation about how to fix that.
- psoebasura 3mo ago[flagged]
- bpodgursky 3mo agoYour argument is that the Spanish military is run by the mafia?
- trosdesoca 3mo agoWell not hard to see. PSOE is a criminal organization and they happen to lead the government and as a consequence the military.
- bpodgursky 3mo agoYou have this backwards then, the chiefs of staff of the military are career roles, they are petitioning the minister of defense, which is a political position (PSOE), to keep Palantir.
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- 8note 3mo agoclearly not better if they cant win a spanish contract?
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- Fraterkes 3mo agoThe world's a scary place, but that's no excuse to make it worse.
- outside1234 3mo agoSauron identified
- sjsdaiuasgdia 3mo agoAlex Karp is clearly off his rocker. This is a good move.
- one33seven 3mo agoHe cannot stop talking about murdering people.
- gervwyk 3mo agoI mean.. just take a minute and listen to the CEO. The guy is having a hard time time. Clearly out of touch imo. https://youtu.be/0A3sGymV6kY https://youtu.be/0A3sGymV6kY
- karl11 3mo agoInterview is gold, he is right.
- toofy 3mo agoyeah, he seems to have the same issue a lot of these guys have. i’m convinced we’re going to find out at some point they’re all on some kind of modern meth type drug that entirely breaks their reality. the similarities between so many of their shifts are too striking.
- johneth 3mo ago> i’m convinced we’re going to find out at some point they’re all on some kind of modern meth type drug that entirely breaks their reality It's called being out-of-touch obscenely wealthy coupled with a massive ego.
- Cytobit 3mo agoWith some experimental peptides sprinkled in.
- Maken 3mo agoYou are probably thinking about ketamine.
- somelamer567 3mo agoThe Spanish government trusting the CCP over Palantir is wild. The CCP's intolerant, cruel and authoritarian nature is a direct threat to humanity in ways that Peter Thiel could barely imagine in his darkest dreams. The lack of perspective on show here is astonishing. They are destroying trust with vital Western allies -- trust is gained in drops and lost in buckets -- and Lurch and his dodgy friends are clearly out of their element.
- in_haft 3mo agoI take the ccp over thiel any day
- bigyabai 3mo ago> is a direct threat to humanity in ways that Peter Thiel could barely imagine Care to outline a few of those threats? The ones that Thiel allegedly cannot imagine? I'm American, I get why Spain's feeling trepidation. I can't trust my own government with data if it could be used against me. I actively seek out Chinese translation, AI and search engines when I want privacy from the US. It's safer with the CCP than the geriatric nutjobs that fell off the Overton window.
- bit-anarchist 3mo agoI thinking OP is worried about China exporting its political influence outside. In China, the Ministry for State Security has the legal authority to seize and investigate your devices without warrant nor active case, for instance. This can be, legally, motivated by dissident political thought.
- kome 3mo agoplease, compared to thiel & co., the ccp are basically choir boys. and they worked well for china. they cleaned their cities of unbreathable air and reduced poverty in a very short time span. we cannot say the same for the americans robber barons and their political wing, like trump&co. how can you deny the most basic reality and evidence?
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- arcticbison 3mo ago[flagged]
- madhacker 3mo agoGet rid of this pestilence! Fark Palantir
- localdeclan 3mo agoEvery country needs to do this now
- lolive 3mo agoLarry Ellison: « We are always glad to help ! »
- lolive 3mo ago[… Plus the fact that I need another boat!]
- arielpts 3mo agosad to see usage of this word. blocklist is easy to write.
- pvaldes 3mo agoFor context: The former Spanish president in the socialist party is being investigated with corruption activities related with Venezuela, happening in the years after he quit the presidency. It is not looking good for him. On Mars 2026, US Homeland Security played a prominent role in providing sensible info that lead to the prosecution. Apparently they obtained that info after spying on a phone from [person of interest] in Venezuela. Helping Spain to expose corruption is a good thing of course, but when who does it is, what could be the biggest stronghold of MAGA in US government, we can suspect that they don't do this out of sheer generosity. Trump keeps saying that "is not happy" with Spain, and this corruption scandal greases the path to power for the Spanish equivalent to MAGA party on the forthcoming 2027 elections so... hum Palantir could be, or not be, related with the leak. In any case blocking it just right now, by the socialist party, would be the logical reaction if they are involved.
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- hexorcist404 3mo agoNot sure how much good it will do overall but it's good to see not everyone is blind and/or naive.