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Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

416 points by ksec 4mo ago

exabrial 4mo ago
Ubiquiti's biggest feature is no monthly recurring cost. I really hope they continue the streak on products like this. Seems like anything else bought up these days is switched to an MRR model with no vision into the long term viability.
- DataDynamo 4mo ago
  *yet They will at some point just cash out.
  - revnode 4mo ago
    They've been at this for a while. They do have offerings you subscribe for and pay monthly. They have also consistently offered an option for each of those offerings to bring your own or self host. They've earned my trust.
    - softfalcon 4mo ago
      I tend to agree with you. In my opinion, as long as the majority of their profits come from people continuing to buy the self-host devices, it is fairly unlikely they'll ever stop offering those devices. Why change a working business model? Yes, subscription models are enticing for that recurring revenue... number must go up, right? /s If a majority of your sales are not in subscription products though, I think it would be foolish for a business to blow off its own leg trying to chase that particular dragon. Then again... businesses have made dumber calls in the past out of nowhere...
      - detourdog 4mo ago
        They can sell subscriptions to people who buy them and allow self contained as possible. For securities sake requiring off-site storage of a security system is a non-starter.
        softfalcon 4mo ago
        Yeah, that's also a very good point. I imagine they're going to need to support that use case indefinitely. Hence their edge/IoT line of managed switches.
    - roamerz 4mo ago
      >>they’ve earned my trust Boy I hope Broadcom didn’t hear that…
    - close04 4mo ago
      Recently they removed the option to take certain types of backup locally (for the Network app). Now it only does it to the cloud, for those who allow this. It’s these small things that make me cautiously pessimistic that long term Ubiquity won’t pull the rug from under the customers. Once you invest thousands in network equipment or cameras you’re less likely to jump ship when they start sneaking things in. And this is long lived equipment, not the kind you anyway replace every couple of years. So that’s a relatively strong lock-in.
      - KetoManx64 4mo ago
        They would be shooting themselves in the foot in the long term. I was surprised to learn that Ubiquiti is a publicly traded company, but also the CEO and founder owns the mass majority of the shares, so he is not beholden by shareholders wanting to enshittify the company for the same of increased stock prices.
      - oaiey 4mo ago
        It is their number one selling point vs. the competition. The space has already a dozen vendors with a healthy product mix.
        zamadatix 4mo ago
        It's definitely where they fit now, but are Ubiquiti's goals really always going to be the cheapest option when there are already a dozen other vendors who have demonstrated how to get higher margins & subscription revenue? The usual trend that the smaller upsets compete on cost until they get higher and higher volume and work their way into higher and higher end markets. Ubiquiti 10 years ago was mostly doing volume for small niche ISPs or prosumers at home, now it's got enormous gains in SMB & products aimed at enterprise. I don't think they'll just stop at where they are, focus will keep shifting to wherever they think they can grow to rather than where they've had success before.
    - asdff 4mo ago
      Anything can be sold to PE.
      - bigstrat2003 4mo ago
        Sure. But all you can do, when deciding with whom to do business, is base your decision on what they have already done. It's not viable to refuse to do business with a company on the basis of "they might one day get bought by PE and introduce customer hostile changes".
        asdff 4mo ago
        I mean, in the NAS space with a plethora of open source alternatives, that is a viable stance.
        ryukoposting 4mo ago
        Yeah actually, there are tons of PE-proof ways to go about building a NAS. My "NAS" is a NUC with a couple drives plugged into it using a USB DAS. apt install zfs samba, and away you go.
        ssl-3 4mo ago
        At home, my "NAS" is the Linux desktop box under my desk. It's got a bunch of local drives doing ZFS things, and samba. I could split up the functions into different boxes and build a faster LAN to connect them, but doing that wouldn't improve anything except giving me more parts to goof around with. :)
      - tertius 4mo ago
        Ubiquiti is a giant publicly traded company... Read about the CEO, this won't happen.
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  - nemothekid 4mo ago
    They are already a public company.
    - Hamuko 4mo ago
      You can take a public company private and then run it to the ground. See also: Twitter.
      - lostlogin 4mo ago
        How does that work now they are a subsidiary of SpaceX? Does that make the rotting corpse of Twitter public again?
        Hamuko 4mo ago
        Yes. Although the amount of SpaceX stock that's available for public is fairly little.
        victorbjorklund 4mo ago
        And those classes available for the public has less voting rights than Elons stock so even worse.
        tertius 4mo ago
        So man makes company, man shares profitability of company with world to invest in. World complains they can't outvote man.
        lostlogin 4mo ago
        Some of the details you are missing here matter quite a lot.
        victorbjorklund 4mo ago
        Im not an investor so I don’t care. But anyone buying into SpaceX should probably care that you are investing in a company you have zero influence in.
  - LeoPanthera 4mo ago
    I don't believe this. They've been around since 2003, and the Unifi line started in 2010. If they were going to enshittify it would have happened by now. Cynicism is not always warranted.
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- qurren 4mo ago
  I just wish they would put better processors in their stuff. Is this yet another NAS powered by an ARM Cortex?
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  - hannesfur 4mo ago
    It says 8 Arm Neoverse N2 cores in the blog post. So not directly ARM Cortex, derived from ARM Cortex-X3 but same family as NVIDIA Grace, Google Axion and AWS Graviton4.
  - softfalcon 4mo ago
    I have heard others say the same as you about Ubiquiti devices. I genuinely curious what bottlenecks you've hit. I've only been using Ubiquiti as a pro-sumer, but it has held up well for my use case of Plex and little game servers. I use a Synology NAS for my storage though, which is a slightly beefier mobile AMD chipset. I'd be very interested to know what I should and shouldn't expect from my ARM based network stack though!
    - qurren 4mo ago
      > I genuinely curious what bottlenecks you've hit. 1. My UDM Pro absolutely chokes and stalls with intrusion detection enabled on the firewall and 8 cameras connected. Network goes down, cameras disconnect, devices disconnect from Wi-Fi every time a car drives past a camera due to AI features triggering, etc. For something meant for small businesses I wish they would just shove an Intel i5 or something in it. They make great switches, great APs, great everything else, just too stingy on processors on the few pieces of central equipment that people would actually be willing to spend more on. And for a $3999 enterprise NAS with dual 25 Gbps SFP ports and 16 drives? It could surely use something more beefy than a Neoverse N2. I'd say an i7 or even i9 is warranted here. 3. The UNAS 8 I don't own but I believe it would struggle with >1Gbps links and encryption enabled
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- Brajeshwar 4mo ago
  The founders being the erstwhile Apple routers team, I believe they are playing the Apple game — sell good quality hardware; free the software that runs the hardware.
  - slickytail 4mo ago
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- simonjgreen 4mo ago
  That’s just patently not true for Ubiquiti. You enter the Enterprise space with them and you are paying monthly. Their very expensive Identity Enterprise monthly per user subscription and their per site support charges to be able to get help with their latest rushed release. Paying extra for Apple wallet support. And you don’t even get complete APIs in return, or proper SCIM integrations. Can’t even pull access logs via API. Infuriating company that just do not function at scale.
  - amazingman 4mo ago
    Quite honestly it sounds like: 1. Your use case falls squarely into "you should be paying for support" territory. 2. You're setting things up incorrectly. You should be shipping logs, not scraping them when you think you need them.
    - simonjgreen 4mo ago
      I don’t begrudge paying for support, I want to. But it needs to be good. And I want to ship logs, but they don’t provide a mechanism for all their logs to be shipped. Don’t assume ;)
tristor 4mo ago
I am highly interested in this, especially if it works well with Time Machine to do backups over the network. I've got a fully 10GbE + WiFi 7 network w/ Ubiquiti gear already, would love to ditch my janky DIY NAS setup for something that is integrated with the rest and could potentially give me a better backup setup for my photography as well as enough storage to act as a media server.
- fragmede 4mo ago
  Wireless Time Machine backup works until one day, Time Machine decides to shit the bed. Do not trust it. Invest in a different backup solution if your data is at all important to you. Something like Arq or Backblaze or tarsnap.
  - tristor 4mo ago
    I use the 3-2-1 strategy for backups. I keep one copy off-site by using cloud backups, currently I primarily use Backblaze for that purpose but am considering alternatives for several reasons. I keep a second copy on an external SSD via Time Machine, and I keep one copy on-device. I'd like to use network Time Machine to get rid of the inconvenience of having a bunch of USB external SSDs floating around, especially since none of them are large enough to backup my entire drive if I get close to filling it. I appreciate the perspective, I definitely take backups seriously for my photography.
    - oarsinsync 4mo ago
      I think a combination of: 1/ ZFS datasets with hourly (or daily) snapshots 2/ Samba with vfs_fruit Gives the peace of mind that even when the sparsebundle shits the bed, you can rollback to a suitable snapshot and only lose a small period of backups, rather than having to lose the entire history and start again from scratch. (I say when, not if, through considerable experience over the last 15 years that it will always, inevitably, shit the bed.)
    - tedd4u 4mo ago
      A 2-drive Synology (e.g. DS225+) in RAID 0 or RAID 1 works fine for this, for 90% less than this beast. Synology documented their optimal settings for Time Machine a couple years ago, too. Hope this is helpful. [1] [1] https://kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/How_to_back_up_files_from_Mac_to_Synology_NAS_with_Time_Machine https://kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/How_to_back_up_fi...
swrobel 4mo ago
Did we decide ZFS is good after all this time?
- AdmiralAsshat 4mo ago
  Who said it was bad? I thought we were all pretty much in agreement that it was good, and the only thing holding it back from wider adoption into e.g. the Linux kernel was the poison-pill of Oracle's ownership and licensing.
  - natebc 4mo ago
    another thing holding it back is the threat of a lawsuit from Netapp. source: used to work for a storage vendor that was marketing a NAS based on ZFS and got credible threats from Netapp to the point that we sought a partnership with Oracle that included indemnification under Oracles settlement with Netapp.
    - smartbit 4mo ago
      only threats, no court cases or journalist writing about ZFS indemnification? IOW please provide links to credible sources.
      - natebc 4mo ago
        sorry, don't have a link to the CEO telling us that we were signing a partnership with oracle that included the indemnification. I was just a lowly support engineer so not privy to all the legal details that the executives were dealing with. I too had to just take them at their word. ETA: I searched a bit. Here's a link https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/networking/netapp-threatens-coraid-over-sales-of-open-source-zfs-technology/ https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/networking/netapp-thr... Maybe threats were enough? I certainly wouldn't want to test it myself.
    - throw0101c 4mo ago
      Oracle and NetApp 'mutually dismissed' in 2010: * https://www.theregister.com/off-prem/2010/09/09/oracle-and-netapp-dismiss-zfs-lawsuits/505178 https://www.theregister.com/off-prem/2010/09/09/oracle-and-n... * https://www.computerworld.com/article/1585889/opinion-patent-lawsuit-a-lose-lose-for-netapp-sun.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/1585889/opinion-patent... NetApp originally sued then-independent Sun in 2007, and Sun counter-sued. Free/TrueNAS/iXsystems has been offering ZFS-based solutions for many years now, and I haven't heard NetApp going after them: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueNAS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueNAS * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IXsystems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IXsystems
evanjrowley 4mo ago
I've never been a fan of Ubiquiti's proprietary solutions, but this might actually be one product that I can be enthusiastic about.
- MiracleRabbit 4mo ago
  They are getting better. After a long time they introduced ONVIF into their camera products which basically opened it to everyone.
- cassianoleal 4mo ago
  I've recently been convinced to implement a Unifi stack for my home network. I got a Cloud Gateway, a 10G switch and a couple WiFi APs. The Cloud Gateway will be sold or given away. It's utter crap. I'm now building an OpenWRT container on IncusOS as my Internet gateway/router. The switch is meh. It's easy to admin, which is nice - though I'm having to run UnifiOS on another container on said IncusOS. The APs are fine. Decent power and the central administration with the switch is actually quite nice. If I knew everything I know now, I wouldn't have bought any of those but they will do for now.
  - robinvdvleuten 4mo ago
    What do you know now then?
    - cassianoleal 4mo ago
      See the answer I gave to the sibling comment.
  - mohaine 4mo ago
    I love by Dream Machine Pro. Seems to just work and keep everything up to date. I have it running my security cameras as well and it has been pretty much bullet proof. What needs do you have for a router that the Cloud Gateway is missing or is bad at? A PiHole equivalent is about all I can think I'm missing.
annoyingnoob 4mo ago
Looks interesting, but likely lacks FIPS support which makes it an issue for companies that work with the government.
- throw0101c 4mo ago
  Maybe worth noting that TrueNAS added FIPS in 2024: * https://www.truenas.com/blog/truenas-security-in-2024/ https://www.truenas.com/blog/truenas-security-in-2024/
  - stableappendix 4mo ago
    FIPS mode is the greatest
- greggsy 4mo ago
  Not really deal breaker for most customers
- orthogonal_cube 4mo ago
  Are Ubiquiti products commonplace for companies that contract with the US government outside of the DoD/DoW? Since DoD/DoW generally requires STIG compliance, and none authored are for any specific Ubiquiti product, we can cross that off the list. Sure they can get exceptions or use a more generalized STIG but stakeholders generally have pre-defined limitations on what they will and will not allow on networks they sponsor.
  - annoyingnoob 4mo ago
    The Defense Industrial Base is 10s of thousands of companies. May are small businesses. Many need to obtain CMMC Level 2, which has requirements for FIPS certified encryption. Our systems do not directly connect to Government systems and those STIGs may not apply directly. So, could I use Ubiquiti in some places? Maybe, not to store controlled information in this case. I could probably store previously fips encrypted files there. Would I want to use Ubiquiti cloud services? No.
AceJohnny2 4mo ago
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SideburnsOfDoom 4mo ago
> with ... no firmware restrictions on drive models, organizations can scale capacity without being restricted by proprietary hardware ecosystems. This looks like a dig at Synology, who do this.
- chrisweekly 4mo ago
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- wccrawford 4mo ago
  They did it for a very short time. The community backlash was so bad that they recanted immediately. I'm not at all surprised that Ubiquiti is getting ahead of that and promising it from the start.
  - luma 4mo ago
    Kinda, NVME devices still need to be on their HCL and are priced about what you would expect.
  - Hamuko 4mo ago
    They still require you to buy their overpriced (even by AI bubble standards) NVMe drives with zero third-party support. There is a project that adds third-party SSD support for newer Synology devices, but you need to redo it every time your NAS updates, so it's very much unsupported. Would definitely not say that they "recanted immediately".
  - SideburnsOfDoom 4mo ago
    > Synology recanted immediately Is that correct? Looking at a common flagship model, the 4-Bay DS925+ and then the "Compatibility list" here https://www.synology.com/en-global/compatibility?search_by=drives&model=DS925%2B&category=hdds_no_ssd_trim https://www.synology.com/en-global/compatibility?search_by=d... I see only Synology branded drives. Synology do not make their own hard drives. They are rebadged.
    - Hamuko 4mo ago
kyrra 4mo ago
Store page: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/network-storage/products/enas https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/network-storage/products... $3999
- mpeg 4mo ago
  That seems reasonable, I don't buy NAS for datacenters (just run a modest 80tb one for my home lab) but equivalent rackmount 16-bay ones from other vendors would be more expensive (maybe $5k-6k?) and with less polish.
  - lostlogin 4mo ago
    > a modest 80tb one for my home lab I laughed.
    - derekdahmer 4mo ago
      It's wild but 80TB actually is modest compared to some of the enthusiasts on /r/homelab and /r/datahoarders that are running 300TB NAS servers at home. 80TB can still maybe fit in a single box. (8x10TB)
      - lostlogin 4mo ago
        Synology systems will take 24TB drives (let’s not dive into which drives they’ll take). However there is a volume limit depending on processor. https://kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/Why_does_my_Synology_NAS_have_a_single_volume_size_limitation https://kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/Why_does_my_Synol...
  - kube-system 4mo ago
    Yeah, I'd certainly take it over this: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1618911-REG/synology_rackstation_rs4021xs_16_bay_nas.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1618911-REG/synology_...
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hexajon 4mo ago
Nice that it's plain OpenZFS, no paid license layer, yay! Ubiquiti sometimes ships v1 hardware and ghosts their own roadmap, but this kinda neuters the downside. If they lose interest, you just pull the disks and zpool import on any box (assuming feature flag parity). That's a saner path than Synology, with their "unauthorized" drive warnings.
topspin 4mo ago
Is this some xBSD or UniFi OS (debian) with ZFSoL? Can't tell from what they've written. 8C+64GB: enough for essential block+file service, but not for dedup and other demanding ZFS features. Also, doesn't appear the controller is redundant; just the power supplies. iSCSI is headlined; nice they didn't limit this to file. No mention of object store, or NVMe-oF. Seems like a nice, basic, affordable platform for workgroup/SME stuff. Not NetApp/Pure Storage "enterprise" grade though.
- BadBadJellyBean 4mo ago
  Could be Linux as well since ZFS on Linux is pretty good now. It would fit in with their other devices which are also Linux based AFAIK.
- nyrikki 4mo ago
  They seem to follow the anti-corruption layer model for most of their offerings, so I would expect they use what ever OS is best supported by the upstream. It is a large reason they can mitigate vendor risk IMHO, offering different tiers of switches as an example without being held hostage by on particular switch IC vendor like many brands. I do wish someone would take up comstar though, netapp bought and killed several jbod lines etc… to kill it before Oracle bought Sun and also killed it to protect their enterprise storage offerings. NVMe-oF may be a possibility because there are FPGA IP vendors but without comstar there are some challenges IMHO.
- JP44 4mo ago
  Their other UNAS devices are based on debian11. I'm curious what the bootdrive on the ENAS runs since ZFS is dkms on debian
speed_spread 4mo ago
I'm reminded of the Sun Fire X4500 "Thumper" for which ZFS was originally developed. 48 SATA drives packed in a slide-out rack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zQ5RLAyA7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zQ5RLAyA7w
- throw0101c 4mo ago
  Then-still-independent Sun sold storage appliances, and during their development and debugging it was noticed that vibrations effected performance… by yelling at the drives: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4
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elevation 4mo ago
I'm glad to see UBNT in this space. I've always used ZFS because it's vastly superior to other options. When I see storage companies building without fault tolerance, or without a merkle tree (so that you can backup deltas efficiently without having to recompute them) it's a sign their marketing team has more influence over the company than their engineers. Sadly, the few ZFS COTS options have been somewhat underpowered. QNAP supports ZFS filesystems, but their backup configuration won't let you arrange for a nas to pull from the source (instead of the source doing a push.) You can still pull it off by scheduling your own cron job, but this somewhat defeats the purpose of paying extra for a vendor solution. UBNT is still supporting my 15 year old edgerouters with security updates, and their interface is clean and usable for anyone with basic network experience. And their video surveillance solutions are unusual in that they allow you to keep your footage entirely onsite and offline, an uncommon level of privacy. If they can bring the same polish to their storage solutions, I'll be using these new products for a long time.
- sussexby 4mo ago
  The same is true for our AI processing on the cameras. This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine.
  - eptcyka 4mo ago
    Can I use it without running some inane management VM?
    - Avicebron 4mo ago
      Genuine question, if you're running unifi, why don't you want the management vm? Synology makes a decent NAS without the controller.
      - eptcyka 4mo ago
        I like the hardware, cannot stand needing to run another machine just for management.
bhouston 4mo ago
> "Dual 25 Gigabit SFP28 ports and redundant power supplies for resilience" Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? I've had the hardest time making my TrueNAS ZFS server fast when it was filled with HDD spinning disks. I initially also had 12 of them trying to get maximum speed. I have 128GB RAM and a 10G ethernet connection. I tried all types of optimizations like L2ARC via NVMe, etc, and it wasn't very effective and just too much time spent tweaking and testing. Instead I just threw up my hands and replaced all the spinning disks with NVMe drives for the data I actually shared (8x 4TB NVMe drives.) And now it very usable and no need for LRArc, etc. Random or streaming access is equally fast. Best choice I made. Now I did do this over a year ago so I skipped the NVMe price inflation. I still keep 4 spinning disks but it is for archival data that I expect to never access unless something bad happens. It is slow and I use it like a tape drive.
- zamadatix 4mo ago
  I have a backup node with a 40G NIC & a ZFS pool of just 8x HDDs set up as a pool of two RAIDZ1 vdevs striped together (i.e. 4x drives in raidz1-0 & 4x drives in raidz1-1 make up the "backup" pool). Restoring full backup images to another server I usually get ~11-12 Gbps over NFS, no flash cache or anything involved. Honestly, outside of random access/small file access, my primary NVMe ZFS server isn't all that much faster in raw throughput - despite being 22x NVMe drives going direct to the CPU instead of 8 HDDs going through a SATA controller. I think it's easier to hit other bottlenecks with ZFS/network transfers well before the disk throughput itself. E.g., enabling jumbo frames for NFS did still give me a decent perf/efficiency bonus.
- toast0 4mo ago
  > Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? There can easily be a bottleneck depending on how the setup the sata/sas, but if you can get sustained sequential reads or writes, 16x drives at 6 Gbps sata should be able to saturate 2x 25 Gbps ethernet. The store link shows two expansion ports as well which should help get bandwidth to the point where 25 Gbps is useful. Less likely with random reads/writes or mixed use.
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bakies 4mo ago
I really want a object store in my storage appliance :( Would be nice to have a CSI, but I can probably just use democratic-csi like I already do on my homemade ZFS based storage appliance.
jjcm 4mo ago
What is the current state of ZFS? I know it had some licensing issues traditionally, despite it being a delight to use every time I've tried it. Is it back?
- gh02t 4mo ago
  Never went away, Linux is now the primary target platform for OpenZFS (which is basically synonymous with ZFS these days). TrueNAS/iXSystems (probably the main commercial company using ZFS) moved from FreeBSD to Linux. Major new features like pool expansion have been added after years of requests. Etc., it's a good time for ZFS on Linux. There ARE licensing issues related to shipping it compiled into the kernel, but you can install it as a kernel module on every mainline distro nowadays which is functionally the same from a user perspective.
  - irusensei 4mo ago
    Still sucks that you need to verify if your kernel update is compatible with the external module.
- alphager 4mo ago
  ZFS on Linux works great, but with most distributions, it will compile the kernel module on device upon installation. Only Ubuntu distributes binaries. As a consequence, you don't necessarily want a rolling distro, as the ZFS module can get out of sync with the kernel. ZFS itself is build for both BSD and Linux from the same source, so there's feature parity there.
- hoherd 4mo ago
  I've been using ZFS on linux for like... 14 years now? I've migrated through centos, ubuntu, and debian during that time and the zpools never had any issues that weren't hardware related. ZFS is my favorite filesystem. I even use it on single drives because its snapshots and online data integrity checking are so great. I even use it on single spinning rust USB drives. Zero problems.
- BluSyn 4mo ago
  I still stick with btrfs for this reason
sgarland 4mo ago
I was literally looking today to see if there was any news on this, because it’s been widely assumed that they’d release it. $4000 is… a lot. I can buy a used CSE-846 for about 1/4 of that, an X10–era mobo for a few hundred bucks, and have 1.5x the bays (tbf, also 4U instead of 3U). Managing ZFS is just not that hard; it’s not Ceph. If you want easy mode, throw TrueNAS on it, and you’ll get an awesome UX that abstracts away everything difficult. If this were < $3000, I’d probably buy it. I’ve been holding off on replacing my two CSE-826 because I’ve been waiting for this to come out. Disappointing.
- InTheArena 4mo ago
  This is not a homelab replacement part. It’s enterprise with all the positive and negatives that come with that phrase. The second you start talking about old X hardware, it’s a different product class. For that use case I recommend UNas from ugreen or the minis forum ryzen Ai stuff.
- paisawalla 4mo ago
  I recently bought a used Dell R240 and 4x 20TB for less than this. From TechmikeNY if anyone's interested.
- 9x39 4mo ago
  Think about the competitors - they're aiming at the Synology RackStations and similar, which are $3-5k without drives. The segment UI and Synology are in are 10x more than the minisforum, beelink, qnap, cwwk type devices, but still 1/10 of the price of getting started in enterprise gear from HPe, Dell, Pure, etc.
Keyframe 4mo ago
i like their gear, I bought a whole bunch, but I couldn't and can't figure out how to give my wife access to their Protect app as well. It's absurd to the point where their MFA sent doesn't work when trying to authorize her - and judging by reddit posts etc I'm not the only one. Such mundane things are where UI falls apart, wrong details. Instead of giving elves resources to pack each individual rackmount screw, if they spent some more time on workflows and software, they'd be a truly great company.
- Johnny555 4mo ago
  I created a user for my wife, set up the Protect App on her phone and she has the same access to the cameras as me.
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- jackcarter 4mo ago
  I haven’t encountered this bug, but I have been frustrated that there’s no way to give a babysitter temporary access to the cameras in the kids’ rooms. I ended up hosting a local site that embeds the RTSP feeds, which works pretty well, but I was surprised that there’s no native way to do it
transitKnox 4mo ago
Been a long time fan of Ubiquiti, and I think this product will do particularly well in small-medium businesses. Think of the local marketing firm with 40 employees. They likely have an office with Unifi networking, and they LIKELY hire an MSP to do their IT work. An MSP will easily try to sell this as their storage solution since they can manage the infrastructure with one login to the UBNT dashboard.
iluvcommunism 4mo ago
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bigbuppo 4mo ago
It's nice that they're doing this, but don't bet the farm on this product until they release a second version. Not saying I've been burned by them pulling a product and then memory-holing its existence, but, um.
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varispeed 4mo ago
My experience of Ubiquiti is through their Dream Router 7. What a piece of crap that is. Can't even get good WiFi in adjacent rooms where same ancient Asus router wasn't breaking a sweat. Connection drop outs are a nice bonus. Don't forget booting for ages, fan noise etc. If other products are so bad like that one, I don't know what is the hype for this company.
simonjgreen 4mo ago
“Enterprise” First hand experience many times over: there is little more regrettable than placing Ubiquitis latest test-it-in-prod release in to an Enterprise setting.
- Peanuts99 4mo ago
  I mean it's all prosumer grade stuff. I get hassled at work to sell their network gear over Cisco and Aruba because of the price but it's a flashy and cheap.
- 404mm 4mo ago
  UI is so overrated.
- KennyBlanken 4mo ago
  https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=ubiquiti https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=ubiquiti Yeah, that's the kind of people you want to be running your company's storage appliance. Tons of those are pretty basic web security stuff. Nearly as bad as TP-Link, a bargain-basement brand. Compare and contrast: https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=freenas https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=freenas https://app.opencve.io/cve/?q=vendor%3Aproxmox https://app.opencve.io/cve/?q=vendor%3Aproxmox Proxmox's record in 2025 wasn't particularly great but it's a hell of a lot better than Ubiquiti's. And before someone starts complaining that it's not a fair comparison because Ubiquiti has so many more products: they have a unified OS and management tools. They also have orders of magnitude more revenue and can afford far more in engineering resources.
  - mbesto 4mo ago
    https://app.opencve.io/cve/?q=vendor%3Acisco https://app.opencve.io/cve/?q=vendor%3Acisco What about Cisco?
whalesalad 4mo ago
I built a 12-bay NAS recently. I snagged a 5900X/Supermicro server board/128GB DDR4 ECC combo for only $680 on eBay right before memory prices went apeshit. It has IPMI and 2x10g. Suffice to say I belive you can roll your own appliance like this for considerably less money, and have far more control over it. I say this as a Unifi fanboi.
pangapingus 4mo ago
To be that person, trusting a vendor for an out-the-door NAS is nice from a usability perspective, but also: https://www.ui.com/legal/privacypolicy/ https://www.ui.com/legal/privacypolicy/
Havoc 4mo ago
The price looks kinda rough. I built a server that stomps this for under a grand (vs their 4k). Stronger CPU, likely faster ram, optane zfs cache instead of nvme... Admittedly my 1 grand is referenced off pre AI insanity pricing. Call it 1.5 today Point is someone willing to roll the dicey on AMD consumer CPUs doing ECC can beat everything else out there [for those contemplating...asus crosshair viii dark hero is where you want to start looking ) And reminder that these boards take UDIMMs not RDIMMs...do not assume suppliers understand the difference
joshstrange 4mo ago
This is interesting, I'm not sure I fully understand how this compares to their UNAS offerings. I can't remember off the top of my head if UNAS does m.2 cache drives. I bought the 8-bay UNAS ($799.00) but have yet to put a drive in it yet since the costs are out of control for hard drives currently. I'm still using my 2x 12-bay Synology for now. I hope they don't abandon or lose focus of their UNAS offerings (and/or they get better) since I had planned to buy 2-3 more 8-bay UNAS units once I can afford the drives for them.
tombert 4mo ago
I always forget that these things aren't for me. My immediate thought is always immediately "just build your own NAS with a vanilla Linux box and set up Samba or something because then you can make it however you want". But of course, if I'm someone who knows how to build a NAS and is inclined to do such a thing, then I'm sort of inherently not the kind of person that would be interested in such things and not the audience they're marketing towards, which is obviously fine.
- Twirrim 4mo ago
  I've been a sysadmin for decades, dealt with *nix based servers since the late 90s, yet for the most part I've used devices like Synology servers, simply because I don't want to have to manage technology to that degree at home. I've built my own NAS when my last synology died, and I'm not sure I'll build one again. I've dealt with all sorts of issues that I just haven't had to deal with with a packaged solution, and I really just want to not think about that stuff when I'm not working. Yes, I can absolutely do it for cheaper, better, and with more flexibility myself. Doesn't mean I actually want to.
  - stuxnet79 4mo ago
    > I really just want to not think about that stuff when I'm not working. This is my exact attitude but I don't have decades of sysadmin experience to lean on so I'm completely lost on what approach to take setting up my first NAS. My requirements are simple: (1) Should be plug and play (hardware + software) (2) Must support ZFS since I already set up a pool in my beefy desktop PC. What would you recommend? I've looked into Synology's offerings and they look perfect except for the fact that they don't support ZFS only Btrfs. I clicked into this thread expecting Ubiquiti's offering would be what I want, but all I see here is hardcore enterprise gear for the prosumer crowd.
  - Gigachad 4mo ago
    What kind of issues? I just set up a very home tier NAS setup for my home server. Got a 4 bay usb hard drive enclosure and then just set up a btrfs raid array since my drives are all different speeds and capacities. The thing is only about as fast as a single hard drive but it does pool all the storage in to one unified storage and is way faster than google drive.
bubblethink 4mo ago
Isn't this massively overpriced? What does this buy you over a supermicro box running ubuntu?
- theatrus2 4mo ago
  Have you priced a Supermicro box with 16 bays and SAS running Ubuntu?
  - bubblethink 4mo ago
    I have, in pre-COVID days, though. The total bill including a skylake xeon E3-1285 v6 CPU, 64 GB ECC RAM, and the supermicro X11 board + chassis (https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/archive/chassis/SC836TQ-R800B https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/archive/chassis/SC836...) was under $1k.
    - stewartadam 4mo ago
      The current-gen 3U SuperChassis alone is $1200USD.
    - izacus 4mo ago
      Try again with 2026 RAM prices.
    - ikiris 4mo ago
      The world changed. Massively. Reprice everything you're benchmarking pre covid.
      - bubblethink 4mo ago
        Yes I know, but not by 4x. You can buy a lot of real compute for $4k, not an arm box with 16 disk bays.
        ikiris 4mo ago
        Reread my comment and process it.
1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago
Ubiquiti is an interesting company. It seems to be well-managed https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/tech-firm-ubiquiti-suffers-46m-cyberheist/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/tech-firm-ubiquiti-suffe... https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/06/crooks-use-hacked-routers-to-aid-cyberheists/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/06/crooks-use-hacked-router... https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/ubiquiti-insider-hacker-sentenced-to-6-years-in-prison-a-22043 https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/ubiquiti-insider-hacker-sen... https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/31/22360409/ubiquiti-networking-data-breach-response-whistleblower-cybersecurity-incident https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/31/22360409/ubiquiti-network... https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/ubiquiti-insider-hacker-sentenced-to-6-years-in-prison-a-22043 https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/ubiquiti-insider-hacker-sen... https://www.theregister.com/security/2022/03/30/ubiquiti-sues-infosec-journo-for-defamation-over-hack-report/1342982 https://www.theregister.com/security/2022/03/30/ubiquiti-sue... In the case of the fake whistleblower, it sued a journalist for defamation but its counsel could not spell the word "damning" Was it meritless. Would it have been dismissed for failure to state a claim If yes, this might explain why Ubiquiti agreed to a stipulated dismissal https://dn721900.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.vaed.521759/gov.uscourts.vaed.521759.23.0.pdf https://dn721900.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.vaed.52...
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago
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50208 4mo ago
Anyone know what types of full disk encryption this will support?
archagon 4mo ago
This… this is just a low-content marketing page. Have we really sunk so low?
zzyzxd 4mo ago
The biggest concern about Ubiquiti to me is still its software/infrastructure quality. Off top of my head, besides all the UI/UX glitches: - They once allowed a human employee to access static AWS root access key. - Their employee once claimed "remote access" was end to end encrypted, but later people figured out they probably just meant TLS in transit. - They had a configuration error that allowed some users to access other users' camera feeds. They corrected the error, but never explained how the hell was it even possible or if they made any architecture design change to prevent that from happening again. Now, ZFS is nice. But even after years of iterations, I still need to do 50% of my operations via SSH on my Truenas system. I can't imagine Ubiquiti to do any better
- shaunkoh 4mo ago
  They’ve had router firmware updates that have borked networks a few years ago. Software QA processes weren’t up to snuff.
- pharos92 4mo ago
  I sold my Unifi APs, they broke DHCP over wifi multiple times. If you can't QA/Test basic 101 features like that, I have zero trust in your security.
  - MrDresden 4mo ago
    What did you replace them with? I am starting to look into alternatives my self as I can see the noose they have around their user's neck's slowly starting to close.
    - consp 4mo ago
      If you are at home and want to do DIY you can put OpenWRT on quite a few of them in case you don't want to sell them or dump them as e-waste.
    - dgroshev 4mo ago
      HPE Instant On is pretty nice. Zero problems over the last seven years. It literally just works, including seamless handoffs between multiple APs.
walrus01 4mo ago
Ubiquiti is famous for abandoning products and entire product lines, so I'm going to remain extremely skeptical.
user3939382 4mo ago
I have enough dollars and hours invested with Ubiquiti to have an opinion here. They manage to make performant, capable hardware for a decent price. Then they give you shit configuration tools, a shit configuration experience, vendor lock in, and forced to the cloud. So on balance no thank you per my personal priorities. If you expect cloud and vendor lock in is a plus that you’re accustomed to with other maybe enterprise vendors, by all means.
- dingdongditchme 4mo ago
  Any alternatives to recommend?
- akersten 4mo ago
  > Then they give you shit configuration tools, a shit configuration experience, vendor lock in, and forced to the cloud. you haven't had the pleasure of managing a Cisco environment have you?
h4kunamata 4mo ago
Ubiquiti bubble is so tiring, it is like AI bubble and Apple bubble. These people live within a bubble. Overpriced piece of hardware that you will never own because it runs proprietary firmware, you are forced to install apps to take full advantage from those devices.
- dingdongditchme 4mo ago
  I'm in the market for some wifi access points. If Ubiquiti is not so great can you name some alternatives?
  - jabroni_salad 4mo ago
    Home: eero. they actually work really well. Business: aruba instant-on. They cost more and updates are much less frequent. They are also more reliable and the support experience is far superior even though it is HP.
    - irusensei 4mo ago
      Is the firmware open though?
- irusensei 4mo ago
  I guess routers and access points are easy to replace with a normal OS but I’m yet to see a managed l2 or l3 switch that runs user provider OS. I’d ditch anything in an eye blink if there was some kind of fully open source network stack that can be controlled through infrastructure code. Affordable that is, not including that Nvidia thingie.
- akersten 4mo ago
  > Overpriced piece of hardware Sure maybe this NAS is overpriced compared to building it yourself but those are different target markets. When it comes to wireless access points you really can't beat $99 for home use. I've never had any reliability issues, never had to even think about my network, rebooting my router, those issues are just completely in the past and the single-pane-of-glass makes networking such a non-burden. I feel confident knowing my network is not running on some piddly proprietary TP-link fork of openWRT running who knows what else. > hardware that you will never own because it runs proprietary firmware, I don't really buy these things to install a gameboy emulator on them, they're appliances to solve my problem of "need internet" and they work flawlessly. More power to people who achieve that solution by buying their own SDR PCIe cards and wiring that all up, but I don't have time for that nor does it really matter to me. > forced to install apps to take full advantage from those devices. As opposed to busting out an RJ11 cable and configuring them over serial or something? The management platform is part of the value prop, you're clearly not the target audience :)
dipankarsarkar 4mo ago
What am i missing here? They should have been using ZFS all along. Sounds like a marketing piece frankly.
- zamadatix 4mo ago
  This is a marketing announcement about a new enterprise NAS product+product line. The UNAS line from 2024 was targeted for smaller/simpler prosumer type setups (2-8 drives, no ECC, often no power redundancy, weaker CPUs, & 2.5G-10G networking) and still uses Btrfs on top of traditional RAID.
wwalexander 4mo ago
Will this support expansion in the case of all bays being filled? EDIT: Nevermind, the product page has an option to add up to 32 additional drives via expansion units. Nice!
fennecbutt 4mo ago
Eh I gave up on ubiquiti (for home/small office). Their UI is pretty (lmao ui.com) but their software is terrible, unreliable. Logs are filled with errors which is "normal" etc.
- irusensei 4mo ago
  Can’t wrap my head around how their firewall rules work. Default rule and there is no way to change it. And lately the interface has been so convoluted and nonsensical. DNS records sure now “policies”, you can only assign very essential rules like setting routing rules to known objects based on MAC address - the ui doesn’t allow you to pick an IP address. I wanted to create a special routing rules to allow a container using macvlans to always leave through ISP2. Since this is a macvlan the interface MAC address was different every time the system started. Mind you “ip x.x.x.x goes through link 2” is one of those basic things firewalls and routers do since forever but if the object doesn’t exist on their automated inventory then forget it.
swordlucky666 4mo ago
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felineflock 4mo ago
Ubiquiti has another cool device: a little travel router that you can configure with WireGuard to VPN into your home network and make yourself safer while on coffee shop and airport wifi. It is nice to be able to access your local NAS and LLMs while away from home too.
- jon-wood 4mo ago
  It is indeed nice to be able to access local things while away from home but a VPN isn’t making you meaningfully safer on public WiFi networks. They’re all using proper encryption over the air now, I can count on one hand how many coffee shop networks I’ve seen without client isolation, and anything that matters should be happening over TLS regardless which means at worst the network operator sees your DNS requests.
AIcanbiteme 4mo ago
Isn't this the name of some other company or something already? Come on you can throw together letters randomly and come up with something original. Get AI to help maybe?
z3ratul163071 4mo ago
this company is doing amazing things with their products
altmind 4mo ago
Mikrotik released ROSE with arm cpu and 20 u2 for around $1800 this year. My excitement was quickly cooled once I learn they only support their mikrotik router os, no Linux.

416 points by ksec 4mo ago

Ubiquiti's biggest feature is no monthly recurring cost. I really hope they continue the streak on products like this. Seems like anything else bought up these days is switched to an MRR model with no vision into the long term viability.

DataDynamo 4mo ago
*yet They will at some point just cash out.
- revnode 4mo ago
  They've been at this for a while. They do have offerings you subscribe for and pay monthly. They have also consistently offered an option for each of those offerings to bring your own or self host. They've earned my trust.
  - softfalcon 4mo ago
    I tend to agree with you. In my opinion, as long as the majority of their profits come from people continuing to buy the self-host devices, it is fairly unlikely they'll ever stop offering those devices. Why change a working business model? Yes, subscription models are enticing for that recurring revenue... number must go up, right? /s If a majority of your sales are not in subscription products though, I think it would be foolish for a business to blow off its own leg trying to chase that particular dragon. Then again... businesses have made dumber calls in the past out of nowhere...
    - detourdog 4mo ago
      They can sell subscriptions to people who buy them and allow self contained as possible. For securities sake requiring off-site storage of a security system is a non-starter.
      - softfalcon 4mo ago
        Yeah, that's also a very good point. I imagine they're going to need to support that use case indefinitely. Hence their edge/IoT line of managed switches.
  - roamerz 4mo ago
    >>they’ve earned my trust Boy I hope Broadcom didn’t hear that…
  - close04 4mo ago
    Recently they removed the option to take certain types of backup locally (for the Network app). Now it only does it to the cloud, for those who allow this. It’s these small things that make me cautiously pessimistic that long term Ubiquity won’t pull the rug from under the customers. Once you invest thousands in network equipment or cameras you’re less likely to jump ship when they start sneaking things in. And this is long lived equipment, not the kind you anyway replace every couple of years. So that’s a relatively strong lock-in.
    - KetoManx64 4mo ago
      They would be shooting themselves in the foot in the long term. I was surprised to learn that Ubiquiti is a publicly traded company, but also the CEO and founder owns the mass majority of the shares, so he is not beholden by shareholders wanting to enshittify the company for the same of increased stock prices.
    - oaiey 4mo ago
      It is their number one selling point vs. the competition. The space has already a dozen vendors with a healthy product mix.
      - zamadatix 4mo ago
        It's definitely where they fit now, but are Ubiquiti's goals really always going to be the cheapest option when there are already a dozen other vendors who have demonstrated how to get higher margins & subscription revenue? The usual trend that the smaller upsets compete on cost until they get higher and higher volume and work their way into higher and higher end markets. Ubiquiti 10 years ago was mostly doing volume for small niche ISPs or prosumers at home, now it's got enormous gains in SMB & products aimed at enterprise. I don't think they'll just stop at where they are, focus will keep shifting to wherever they think they can grow to rather than where they've had success before.
  - asdff 4mo ago
    Anything can be sold to PE.
    - bigstrat2003 4mo ago
      Sure. But all you can do, when deciding with whom to do business, is base your decision on what they have already done. It's not viable to refuse to do business with a company on the basis of "they might one day get bought by PE and introduce customer hostile changes".
      - asdff 4mo ago
        I mean, in the NAS space with a plethora of open source alternatives, that is a viable stance.
        ryukoposting 4mo ago
        Yeah actually, there are tons of PE-proof ways to go about building a NAS. My "NAS" is a NUC with a couple drives plugged into it using a USB DAS. apt install zfs samba, and away you go.
        ssl-3 4mo ago
        At home, my "NAS" is the Linux desktop box under my desk. It's got a bunch of local drives doing ZFS things, and samba. I could split up the functions into different boxes and build a faster LAN to connect them, but doing that wouldn't improve anything except giving me more parts to goof around with. :)
    - tertius 4mo ago
      Ubiquiti is a giant publicly traded company... Read about the CEO, this won't happen.
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- nemothekid 4mo ago
  They are already a public company.
  - Hamuko 4mo ago
    You can take a public company private and then run it to the ground. See also: Twitter.
    - lostlogin 4mo ago
      How does that work now they are a subsidiary of SpaceX? Does that make the rotting corpse of Twitter public again?
      - Hamuko 4mo ago
        Yes. Although the amount of SpaceX stock that's available for public is fairly little.
        victorbjorklund 4mo ago
        And those classes available for the public has less voting rights than Elons stock so even worse.
        tertius 4mo ago
        So man makes company, man shares profitability of company with world to invest in. World complains they can't outvote man.
        lostlogin 4mo ago
        Some of the details you are missing here matter quite a lot.
        victorbjorklund 4mo ago
        Im not an investor so I don’t care. But anyone buying into SpaceX should probably care that you are investing in a company you have zero influence in.
- LeoPanthera 4mo ago
  I don't believe this. They've been around since 2003, and the Unifi line started in 2010. If they were going to enshittify it would have happened by now. Cynicism is not always warranted.
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qurren 4mo ago
I just wish they would put better processors in their stuff. Is this yet another NAS powered by an ARM Cortex?
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- hannesfur 4mo ago
  It says 8 Arm Neoverse N2 cores in the blog post. So not directly ARM Cortex, derived from ARM Cortex-X3 but same family as NVIDIA Grace, Google Axion and AWS Graviton4.
- softfalcon 4mo ago
  I have heard others say the same as you about Ubiquiti devices. I genuinely curious what bottlenecks you've hit. I've only been using Ubiquiti as a pro-sumer, but it has held up well for my use case of Plex and little game servers. I use a Synology NAS for my storage though, which is a slightly beefier mobile AMD chipset. I'd be very interested to know what I should and shouldn't expect from my ARM based network stack though!
  - qurren 4mo ago
    > I genuinely curious what bottlenecks you've hit. 1. My UDM Pro absolutely chokes and stalls with intrusion detection enabled on the firewall and 8 cameras connected. Network goes down, cameras disconnect, devices disconnect from Wi-Fi every time a car drives past a camera due to AI features triggering, etc. For something meant for small businesses I wish they would just shove an Intel i5 or something in it. They make great switches, great APs, great everything else, just too stingy on processors on the few pieces of central equipment that people would actually be willing to spend more on. And for a $3999 enterprise NAS with dual 25 Gbps SFP ports and 16 drives? It could surely use something more beefy than a Neoverse N2. I'd say an i7 or even i9 is warranted here. 3. The UNAS 8 I don't own but I believe it would struggle with >1Gbps links and encryption enabled
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Brajeshwar 4mo ago
The founders being the erstwhile Apple routers team, I believe they are playing the Apple game — sell good quality hardware; free the software that runs the hardware.
- slickytail 4mo ago
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simonjgreen 4mo ago
That’s just patently not true for Ubiquiti. You enter the Enterprise space with them and you are paying monthly. Their very expensive Identity Enterprise monthly per user subscription and their per site support charges to be able to get help with their latest rushed release. Paying extra for Apple wallet support. And you don’t even get complete APIs in return, or proper SCIM integrations. Can’t even pull access logs via API. Infuriating company that just do not function at scale.
- amazingman 4mo ago
  Quite honestly it sounds like: 1. Your use case falls squarely into "you should be paying for support" territory. 2. You're setting things up incorrectly. You should be shipping logs, not scraping them when you think you need them.
  - simonjgreen 4mo ago
    I don’t begrudge paying for support, I want to. But it needs to be good. And I want to ship logs, but they don’t provide a mechanism for all their logs to be shipped. Don’t assume ;)

tristor 4mo ago

I am highly interested in this, especially if it works well with Time Machine to do backups over the network. I've got a fully 10GbE + WiFi 7 network w/ Ubiquiti gear already, would love to ditch my janky DIY NAS setup for something that is integrated with the rest and could potentially give me a better backup setup for my photography as well as enough storage to act as a media server.

fragmede 4mo ago
Wireless Time Machine backup works until one day, Time Machine decides to shit the bed. Do not trust it. Invest in a different backup solution if your data is at all important to you. Something like Arq or Backblaze or tarsnap.
- tristor 4mo ago
  I use the 3-2-1 strategy for backups. I keep one copy off-site by using cloud backups, currently I primarily use Backblaze for that purpose but am considering alternatives for several reasons. I keep a second copy on an external SSD via Time Machine, and I keep one copy on-device. I'd like to use network Time Machine to get rid of the inconvenience of having a bunch of USB external SSDs floating around, especially since none of them are large enough to backup my entire drive if I get close to filling it. I appreciate the perspective, I definitely take backups seriously for my photography.
  - oarsinsync 4mo ago
    I think a combination of: 1/ ZFS datasets with hourly (or daily) snapshots 2/ Samba with vfs_fruit Gives the peace of mind that even when the sparsebundle shits the bed, you can rollback to a suitable snapshot and only lose a small period of backups, rather than having to lose the entire history and start again from scratch. (I say when, not if, through considerable experience over the last 15 years that it will always, inevitably, shit the bed.)
  - tedd4u 4mo ago
    A 2-drive Synology (e.g. DS225+) in RAID 0 or RAID 1 works fine for this, for 90% less than this beast. Synology documented their optimal settings for Time Machine a couple years ago, too. Hope this is helpful. [1] [1] https://kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/How_to_back_up_files_from_Mac_to_Synology_NAS_with_Time_Machine https://kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/How_to_back_up_fi...

swrobel 4mo ago

Did we decide ZFS is good after all this time?

AdmiralAsshat 4mo ago
Who said it was bad? I thought we were all pretty much in agreement that it was good, and the only thing holding it back from wider adoption into e.g. the Linux kernel was the poison-pill of Oracle's ownership and licensing.
- natebc 4mo ago
  another thing holding it back is the threat of a lawsuit from Netapp. source: used to work for a storage vendor that was marketing a NAS based on ZFS and got credible threats from Netapp to the point that we sought a partnership with Oracle that included indemnification under Oracles settlement with Netapp.
  - smartbit 4mo ago
    only threats, no court cases or journalist writing about ZFS indemnification? IOW please provide links to credible sources.
    - natebc 4mo ago
      sorry, don't have a link to the CEO telling us that we were signing a partnership with oracle that included the indemnification. I was just a lowly support engineer so not privy to all the legal details that the executives were dealing with. I too had to just take them at their word. ETA: I searched a bit. Here's a link https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/networking/netapp-threatens-coraid-over-sales-of-open-source-zfs-technology/ https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/networking/netapp-thr... Maybe threats were enough? I certainly wouldn't want to test it myself.
  - throw0101c 4mo ago
    Oracle and NetApp 'mutually dismissed' in 2010: * https://www.theregister.com/off-prem/2010/09/09/oracle-and-netapp-dismiss-zfs-lawsuits/505178 https://www.theregister.com/off-prem/2010/09/09/oracle-and-n... * https://www.computerworld.com/article/1585889/opinion-patent-lawsuit-a-lose-lose-for-netapp-sun.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/1585889/opinion-patent... NetApp originally sued then-independent Sun in 2007, and Sun counter-sued. Free/TrueNAS/iXsystems has been offering ZFS-based solutions for many years now, and I haven't heard NetApp going after them: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueNAS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueNAS * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IXsystems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IXsystems

evanjrowley 4mo ago

I've never been a fan of Ubiquiti's proprietary solutions, but this might actually be one product that I can be enthusiastic about.

MiracleRabbit 4mo ago
They are getting better. After a long time they introduced ONVIF into their camera products which basically opened it to everyone.
cassianoleal 4mo ago
I've recently been convinced to implement a Unifi stack for my home network. I got a Cloud Gateway, a 10G switch and a couple WiFi APs. The Cloud Gateway will be sold or given away. It's utter crap. I'm now building an OpenWRT container on IncusOS as my Internet gateway/router. The switch is meh. It's easy to admin, which is nice - though I'm having to run UnifiOS on another container on said IncusOS. The APs are fine. Decent power and the central administration with the switch is actually quite nice. If I knew everything I know now, I wouldn't have bought any of those but they will do for now.
- robinvdvleuten 4mo ago
  What do you know now then?
  - cassianoleal 4mo ago
    See the answer I gave to the sibling comment.
- mohaine 4mo ago
  I love by Dream Machine Pro. Seems to just work and keep everything up to date. I have it running my security cameras as well and it has been pretty much bullet proof. What needs do you have for a router that the Cloud Gateway is missing or is bad at? A PiHole equivalent is about all I can think I'm missing.

annoyingnoob 4mo ago

Looks interesting, but likely lacks FIPS support which makes it an issue for companies that work with the government.

throw0101c 4mo ago
Maybe worth noting that TrueNAS added FIPS in 2024: * https://www.truenas.com/blog/truenas-security-in-2024/ https://www.truenas.com/blog/truenas-security-in-2024/
- stableappendix 4mo ago
  FIPS mode is the greatest
greggsy 4mo ago
Not really deal breaker for most customers
orthogonal_cube 4mo ago
Are Ubiquiti products commonplace for companies that contract with the US government outside of the DoD/DoW? Since DoD/DoW generally requires STIG compliance, and none authored are for any specific Ubiquiti product, we can cross that off the list. Sure they can get exceptions or use a more generalized STIG but stakeholders generally have pre-defined limitations on what they will and will not allow on networks they sponsor.
- annoyingnoob 4mo ago
  The Defense Industrial Base is 10s of thousands of companies. May are small businesses. Many need to obtain CMMC Level 2, which has requirements for FIPS certified encryption. Our systems do not directly connect to Government systems and those STIGs may not apply directly. So, could I use Ubiquiti in some places? Maybe, not to store controlled information in this case. I could probably store previously fips encrypted files there. Would I want to use Ubiquiti cloud services? No.

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SideburnsOfDoom 4mo ago

> with ... no firmware restrictions on drive models, organizations can scale capacity without being restricted by proprietary hardware ecosystems. This looks like a dig at Synology, who do this.

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wccrawford 4mo ago
They did it for a very short time. The community backlash was so bad that they recanted immediately. I'm not at all surprised that Ubiquiti is getting ahead of that and promising it from the start.
- luma 4mo ago
  Kinda, NVME devices still need to be on their HCL and are priced about what you would expect.
- Hamuko 4mo ago
  They still require you to buy their overpriced (even by AI bubble standards) NVMe drives with zero third-party support. There is a project that adds third-party SSD support for newer Synology devices, but you need to redo it every time your NAS updates, so it's very much unsupported. Would definitely not say that they "recanted immediately".
- SideburnsOfDoom 4mo ago
  > Synology recanted immediately Is that correct? Looking at a common flagship model, the 4-Bay DS925+ and then the "Compatibility list" here https://www.synology.com/en-global/compatibility?search_by=drives&model=DS925%2B&category=hdds_no_ssd_trim https://www.synology.com/en-global/compatibility?search_by=d... I see only Synology branded drives. Synology do not make their own hard drives. They are rebadged.
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kyrra 4mo ago

Store page: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/network-storage/products/enas https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/network-storage/products... $3999

mpeg 4mo ago
That seems reasonable, I don't buy NAS for datacenters (just run a modest 80tb one for my home lab) but equivalent rackmount 16-bay ones from other vendors would be more expensive (maybe $5k-6k?) and with less polish.
- lostlogin 4mo ago
  > a modest 80tb one for my home lab I laughed.
  - derekdahmer 4mo ago
    It's wild but 80TB actually is modest compared to some of the enthusiasts on /r/homelab and /r/datahoarders that are running 300TB NAS servers at home. 80TB can still maybe fit in a single box. (8x10TB)
    - lostlogin 4mo ago
      Synology systems will take 24TB drives (let’s not dive into which drives they’ll take). However there is a volume limit depending on processor. https://kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/Why_does_my_Synology_NAS_have_a_single_volume_size_limitation https://kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/Why_does_my_Synol...
- kube-system 4mo ago
  Yeah, I'd certainly take it over this: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1618911-REG/synology_rackstation_rs4021xs_16_bay_nas.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1618911-REG/synology_...
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hexajon 4mo ago

Nice that it's plain OpenZFS, no paid license layer, yay! Ubiquiti sometimes ships v1 hardware and ghosts their own roadmap, but this kinda neuters the downside. If they lose interest, you just pull the disks and zpool import on any box (assuming feature flag parity). That's a saner path than Synology, with their "unauthorized" drive warnings.

topspin 4mo ago

Is this some xBSD or UniFi OS (debian) with ZFSoL? Can't tell from what they've written. 8C+64GB: enough for essential block+file service, but not for dedup and other demanding ZFS features. Also, doesn't appear the controller is redundant; just the power supplies. iSCSI is headlined; nice they didn't limit this to file. No mention of object store, or NVMe-oF. Seems like a nice, basic, affordable platform for workgroup/SME stuff. Not NetApp/Pure Storage "enterprise" grade though.

BadBadJellyBean 4mo ago
Could be Linux as well since ZFS on Linux is pretty good now. It would fit in with their other devices which are also Linux based AFAIK.
nyrikki 4mo ago
They seem to follow the anti-corruption layer model for most of their offerings, so I would expect they use what ever OS is best supported by the upstream. It is a large reason they can mitigate vendor risk IMHO, offering different tiers of switches as an example without being held hostage by on particular switch IC vendor like many brands. I do wish someone would take up comstar though, netapp bought and killed several jbod lines etc… to kill it before Oracle bought Sun and also killed it to protect their enterprise storage offerings. NVMe-oF may be a possibility because there are FPGA IP vendors but without comstar there are some challenges IMHO.
JP44 4mo ago
Their other UNAS devices are based on debian11. I'm curious what the bootdrive on the ENAS runs since ZFS is dkms on debian

speed_spread 4mo ago

I'm reminded of the Sun Fire X4500 "Thumper" for which ZFS was originally developed. 48 SATA drives packed in a slide-out rack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zQ5RLAyA7w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zQ5RLAyA7w

throw0101c 4mo ago
Then-still-independent Sun sold storage appliances, and during their development and debugging it was noticed that vibrations effected performance… by yelling at the drives: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4

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elevation 4mo ago

I'm glad to see UBNT in this space. I've always used ZFS because it's vastly superior to other options. When I see storage companies building without fault tolerance, or without a merkle tree (so that you can backup deltas efficiently without having to recompute them) it's a sign their marketing team has more influence over the company than their engineers. Sadly, the few ZFS COTS options have been somewhat underpowered. QNAP supports ZFS filesystems, but their backup configuration won't let you arrange for a nas to pull from the source (instead of the source doing a push.) You can still pull it off by scheduling your own cron job, but this somewhat defeats the purpose of paying extra for a vendor solution. UBNT is still supporting my 15 year old edgerouters with security updates, and their interface is clean and usable for anyone with basic network experience. And their video surveillance solutions are unusual in that they allow you to keep your footage entirely onsite and offline, an uncommon level of privacy. If they can bring the same polish to their storage solutions, I'll be using these new products for a long time.

sussexby 4mo ago
The same is true for our AI processing on the cameras. This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine.
- eptcyka 4mo ago
  Can I use it without running some inane management VM?
  - Avicebron 4mo ago
    Genuine question, if you're running unifi, why don't you want the management vm? Synology makes a decent NAS without the controller.
    - eptcyka 4mo ago
      I like the hardware, cannot stand needing to run another machine just for management.

bhouston 4mo ago

> "Dual 25 Gigabit SFP28 ports and redundant power supplies for resilience" Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? I've had the hardest time making my TrueNAS ZFS server fast when it was filled with HDD spinning disks. I initially also had 12 of them trying to get maximum speed. I have 128GB RAM and a 10G ethernet connection. I tried all types of optimizations like L2ARC via NVMe, etc, and it wasn't very effective and just too much time spent tweaking and testing. Instead I just threw up my hands and replaced all the spinning disks with NVMe drives for the data I actually shared (8x 4TB NVMe drives.) And now it very usable and no need for LRArc, etc. Random or streaming access is equally fast. Best choice I made. Now I did do this over a year ago so I skipped the NVMe price inflation. I still keep 4 spinning disks but it is for archival data that I expect to never access unless something bad happens. It is slow and I use it like a tape drive.

zamadatix 4mo ago
I have a backup node with a 40G NIC & a ZFS pool of just 8x HDDs set up as a pool of two RAIDZ1 vdevs striped together (i.e. 4x drives in raidz1-0 & 4x drives in raidz1-1 make up the "backup" pool). Restoring full backup images to another server I usually get ~11-12 Gbps over NFS, no flash cache or anything involved. Honestly, outside of random access/small file access, my primary NVMe ZFS server isn't all that much faster in raw throughput - despite being 22x NVMe drives going direct to the CPU instead of 8 HDDs going through a SATA controller. I think it's easier to hit other bottlenecks with ZFS/network transfers well before the disk throughput itself. E.g., enabling jumbo frames for NFS did still give me a decent perf/efficiency bonus.
toast0 4mo ago
> Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? There can easily be a bottleneck depending on how the setup the sata/sas, but if you can get sustained sequential reads or writes, 16x drives at 6 Gbps sata should be able to saturate 2x 25 Gbps ethernet. The store link shows two expansion ports as well which should help get bandwidth to the point where 25 Gbps is useful. Less likely with random reads/writes or mixed use.
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bakies 4mo ago

I really want a object store in my storage appliance :( Would be nice to have a CSI, but I can probably just use democratic-csi like I already do on my homemade ZFS based storage appliance.

jjcm 4mo ago

What is the current state of ZFS? I know it had some licensing issues traditionally, despite it being a delight to use every time I've tried it. Is it back?

gh02t 4mo ago
Never went away, Linux is now the primary target platform for OpenZFS (which is basically synonymous with ZFS these days). TrueNAS/iXSystems (probably the main commercial company using ZFS) moved from FreeBSD to Linux. Major new features like pool expansion have been added after years of requests. Etc., it's a good time for ZFS on Linux. There ARE licensing issues related to shipping it compiled into the kernel, but you can install it as a kernel module on every mainline distro nowadays which is functionally the same from a user perspective.
- irusensei 4mo ago
  Still sucks that you need to verify if your kernel update is compatible with the external module.
alphager 4mo ago
ZFS on Linux works great, but with most distributions, it will compile the kernel module on device upon installation. Only Ubuntu distributes binaries. As a consequence, you don't necessarily want a rolling distro, as the ZFS module can get out of sync with the kernel. ZFS itself is build for both BSD and Linux from the same source, so there's feature parity there.
hoherd 4mo ago
I've been using ZFS on linux for like... 14 years now? I've migrated through centos, ubuntu, and debian during that time and the zpools never had any issues that weren't hardware related. ZFS is my favorite filesystem. I even use it on single drives because its snapshots and online data integrity checking are so great. I even use it on single spinning rust USB drives. Zero problems.
BluSyn 4mo ago
I still stick with btrfs for this reason

sgarland 4mo ago

I was literally looking today to see if there was any news on this, because it’s been widely assumed that they’d release it. $4000 is… a lot. I can buy a used CSE-846 for about 1/4 of that, an X10–era mobo for a few hundred bucks, and have 1.5x the bays (tbf, also 4U instead of 3U). Managing ZFS is just not that hard; it’s not Ceph. If you want easy mode, throw TrueNAS on it, and you’ll get an awesome UX that abstracts away everything difficult. If this were < $3000, I’d probably buy it. I’ve been holding off on replacing my two CSE-826 because I’ve been waiting for this to come out. Disappointing.

InTheArena 4mo ago
This is not a homelab replacement part. It’s enterprise with all the positive and negatives that come with that phrase. The second you start talking about old X hardware, it’s a different product class. For that use case I recommend UNas from ugreen or the minis forum ryzen Ai stuff.
paisawalla 4mo ago
I recently bought a used Dell R240 and 4x 20TB for less than this. From TechmikeNY if anyone's interested.
9x39 4mo ago
Think about the competitors - they're aiming at the Synology RackStations and similar, which are $3-5k without drives. The segment UI and Synology are in are 10x more than the minisforum, beelink, qnap, cwwk type devices, but still 1/10 of the price of getting started in enterprise gear from HPe, Dell, Pure, etc.

Keyframe 4mo ago

i like their gear, I bought a whole bunch, but I couldn't and can't figure out how to give my wife access to their Protect app as well. It's absurd to the point where their MFA sent doesn't work when trying to authorize her - and judging by reddit posts etc I'm not the only one. Such mundane things are where UI falls apart, wrong details. Instead of giving elves resources to pack each individual rackmount screw, if they spent some more time on workflows and software, they'd be a truly great company.

Johnny555 4mo ago
I created a user for my wife, set up the Protect App on her phone and she has the same access to the cameras as me.
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jackcarter 4mo ago
I haven’t encountered this bug, but I have been frustrated that there’s no way to give a babysitter temporary access to the cameras in the kids’ rooms. I ended up hosting a local site that embeds the RTSP feeds, which works pretty well, but I was surprised that there’s no native way to do it

transitKnox 4mo ago

Been a long time fan of Ubiquiti, and I think this product will do particularly well in small-medium businesses. Think of the local marketing firm with 40 employees. They likely have an office with Unifi networking, and they LIKELY hire an MSP to do their IT work. An MSP will easily try to sell this as their storage solution since they can manage the infrastructure with one login to the UBNT dashboard.

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bigbuppo 4mo ago

It's nice that they're doing this, but don't bet the farm on this product until they release a second version. Not saying I've been burned by them pulling a product and then memory-holing its existence, but, um.

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varispeed 4mo ago

My experience of Ubiquiti is through their Dream Router 7. What a piece of crap that is. Can't even get good WiFi in adjacent rooms where same ancient Asus router wasn't breaking a sweat. Connection drop outs are a nice bonus. Don't forget booting for ages, fan noise etc. If other products are so bad like that one, I don't know what is the hype for this company.

simonjgreen 4mo ago

“Enterprise” First hand experience many times over: there is little more regrettable than placing Ubiquitis latest test-it-in-prod release in to an Enterprise setting.

Peanuts99 4mo ago
I mean it's all prosumer grade stuff. I get hassled at work to sell their network gear over Cisco and Aruba because of the price but it's a flashy and cheap.
404mm 4mo ago
UI is so overrated.
KennyBlanken 4mo ago
https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=ubiquiti https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=ubiquiti Yeah, that's the kind of people you want to be running your company's storage appliance. Tons of those are pretty basic web security stuff. Nearly as bad as TP-Link, a bargain-basement brand. Compare and contrast: https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=freenas https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=freenas https://app.opencve.io/cve/?q=vendor%3Aproxmox https://app.opencve.io/cve/?q=vendor%3Aproxmox Proxmox's record in 2025 wasn't particularly great but it's a hell of a lot better than Ubiquiti's. And before someone starts complaining that it's not a fair comparison because Ubiquiti has so many more products: they have a unified OS and management tools. They also have orders of magnitude more revenue and can afford far more in engineering resources.
- mbesto 4mo ago
  https://app.opencve.io/cve/?q=vendor%3Acisco https://app.opencve.io/cve/?q=vendor%3Acisco What about Cisco?

whalesalad 4mo ago

I built a 12-bay NAS recently. I snagged a 5900X/Supermicro server board/128GB DDR4 ECC combo for only $680 on eBay right before memory prices went apeshit. It has IPMI and 2x10g. Suffice to say I belive you can roll your own appliance like this for considerably less money, and have far more control over it. I say this as a Unifi fanboi.

pangapingus 4mo ago

To be that person, trusting a vendor for an out-the-door NAS is nice from a usability perspective, but also: https://www.ui.com/legal/privacypolicy/ https://www.ui.com/legal/privacypolicy/

Havoc 4mo ago

The price looks kinda rough. I built a server that stomps this for under a grand (vs their 4k). Stronger CPU, likely faster ram, optane zfs cache instead of nvme... Admittedly my 1 grand is referenced off pre AI insanity pricing. Call it 1.5 today Point is someone willing to roll the dicey on AMD consumer CPUs doing ECC can beat everything else out there [for those contemplating...asus crosshair viii dark hero is where you want to start looking ) And reminder that these boards take UDIMMs not RDIMMs...do not assume suppliers understand the difference

joshstrange 4mo ago

This is interesting, I'm not sure I fully understand how this compares to their UNAS offerings. I can't remember off the top of my head if UNAS does m.2 cache drives. I bought the 8-bay UNAS ($799.00) but have yet to put a drive in it yet since the costs are out of control for hard drives currently. I'm still using my 2x 12-bay Synology for now. I hope they don't abandon or lose focus of their UNAS offerings (and/or they get better) since I had planned to buy 2-3 more 8-bay UNAS units once I can afford the drives for them.

tombert 4mo ago

I always forget that these things aren't for me. My immediate thought is always immediately "just build your own NAS with a vanilla Linux box and set up Samba or something because then you can make it however you want". But of course, if I'm someone who knows how to build a NAS and is inclined to do such a thing, then I'm sort of inherently not the kind of person that would be interested in such things and not the audience they're marketing towards, which is obviously fine.

Twirrim 4mo ago
I've been a sysadmin for decades, dealt with *nix based servers since the late 90s, yet for the most part I've used devices like Synology servers, simply because I don't want to have to manage technology to that degree at home. I've built my own NAS when my last synology died, and I'm not sure I'll build one again. I've dealt with all sorts of issues that I just haven't had to deal with with a packaged solution, and I really just want to not think about that stuff when I'm not working. Yes, I can absolutely do it for cheaper, better, and with more flexibility myself. Doesn't mean I actually want to.
- stuxnet79 4mo ago
  > I really just want to not think about that stuff when I'm not working. This is my exact attitude but I don't have decades of sysadmin experience to lean on so I'm completely lost on what approach to take setting up my first NAS. My requirements are simple: (1) Should be plug and play (hardware + software) (2) Must support ZFS since I already set up a pool in my beefy desktop PC. What would you recommend? I've looked into Synology's offerings and they look perfect except for the fact that they don't support ZFS only Btrfs. I clicked into this thread expecting Ubiquiti's offering would be what I want, but all I see here is hardcore enterprise gear for the prosumer crowd.
- Gigachad 4mo ago
  What kind of issues? I just set up a very home tier NAS setup for my home server. Got a 4 bay usb hard drive enclosure and then just set up a btrfs raid array since my drives are all different speeds and capacities. The thing is only about as fast as a single hard drive but it does pool all the storage in to one unified storage and is way faster than google drive.

bubblethink 4mo ago

Isn't this massively overpriced? What does this buy you over a supermicro box running ubuntu?

theatrus2 4mo ago
Have you priced a Supermicro box with 16 bays and SAS running Ubuntu?
- bubblethink 4mo ago
  I have, in pre-COVID days, though. The total bill including a skylake xeon E3-1285 v6 CPU, 64 GB ECC RAM, and the supermicro X11 board + chassis (https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/archive/chassis/SC836TQ-R800B https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/archive/chassis/SC836...) was under $1k.
  - stewartadam 4mo ago
    The current-gen 3U SuperChassis alone is $1200USD.
  - izacus 4mo ago
    Try again with 2026 RAM prices.
  - ikiris 4mo ago
    The world changed. Massively. Reprice everything you're benchmarking pre covid.
    - bubblethink 4mo ago
      Yes I know, but not by 4x. You can buy a lot of real compute for $4k, not an arm box with 16 disk bays.
      - ikiris 4mo ago
        Reread my comment and process it.

1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago

Ubiquiti is an interesting company. It seems to be well-managed https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/tech-firm-ubiquiti-suffers-46m-cyberheist/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/08/tech-firm-ubiquiti-suffe... https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/06/crooks-use-hacked-routers-to-aid-cyberheists/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015/06/crooks-use-hacked-router... https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/ubiquiti-insider-hacker-sentenced-to-6-years-in-prison-a-22043 https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/ubiquiti-insider-hacker-sen... https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/31/22360409/ubiquiti-networking-data-breach-response-whistleblower-cybersecurity-incident https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/31/22360409/ubiquiti-network... https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/ubiquiti-insider-hacker-sentenced-to-6-years-in-prison-a-22043 https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/ubiquiti-insider-hacker-sen... https://www.theregister.com/security/2022/03/30/ubiquiti-sues-infosec-journo-for-defamation-over-hack-report/1342982 https://www.theregister.com/security/2022/03/30/ubiquiti-sue... In the case of the fake whistleblower, it sued a journalist for defamation but its counsel could not spell the word "damning" Was it meritless. Would it have been dismissed for failure to state a claim If yes, this might explain why Ubiquiti agreed to a stipulated dismissal https://dn721900.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.vaed.521759/gov.uscourts.vaed.521759.23.0.pdf https://dn721900.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.vaed.52...

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50208 4mo ago

Anyone know what types of full disk encryption this will support?

archagon 4mo ago

This… this is just a low-content marketing page. Have we really sunk so low?

zzyzxd 4mo ago

The biggest concern about Ubiquiti to me is still its software/infrastructure quality. Off top of my head, besides all the UI/UX glitches: - They once allowed a human employee to access static AWS root access key. - Their employee once claimed "remote access" was end to end encrypted, but later people figured out they probably just meant TLS in transit. - They had a configuration error that allowed some users to access other users' camera feeds. They corrected the error, but never explained how the hell was it even possible or if they made any architecture design change to prevent that from happening again. Now, ZFS is nice. But even after years of iterations, I still need to do 50% of my operations via SSH on my Truenas system. I can't imagine Ubiquiti to do any better

shaunkoh 4mo ago
They’ve had router firmware updates that have borked networks a few years ago. Software QA processes weren’t up to snuff.
pharos92 4mo ago
I sold my Unifi APs, they broke DHCP over wifi multiple times. If you can't QA/Test basic 101 features like that, I have zero trust in your security.
- MrDresden 4mo ago
  What did you replace them with? I am starting to look into alternatives my self as I can see the noose they have around their user's neck's slowly starting to close.
  - consp 4mo ago
    If you are at home and want to do DIY you can put OpenWRT on quite a few of them in case you don't want to sell them or dump them as e-waste.
  - dgroshev 4mo ago
    HPE Instant On is pretty nice. Zero problems over the last seven years. It literally just works, including seamless handoffs between multiple APs.

walrus01 4mo ago

Ubiquiti is famous for abandoning products and entire product lines, so I'm going to remain extremely skeptical.

user3939382 4mo ago

I have enough dollars and hours invested with Ubiquiti to have an opinion here. They manage to make performant, capable hardware for a decent price. Then they give you shit configuration tools, a shit configuration experience, vendor lock in, and forced to the cloud. So on balance no thank you per my personal priorities. If you expect cloud and vendor lock in is a plus that you’re accustomed to with other maybe enterprise vendors, by all means.

dingdongditchme 4mo ago
Any alternatives to recommend?
akersten 4mo ago
> Then they give you shit configuration tools, a shit configuration experience, vendor lock in, and forced to the cloud. you haven't had the pleasure of managing a Cisco environment have you?

h4kunamata 4mo ago

Ubiquiti bubble is so tiring, it is like AI bubble and Apple bubble. These people live within a bubble. Overpriced piece of hardware that you will never own because it runs proprietary firmware, you are forced to install apps to take full advantage from those devices.

dingdongditchme 4mo ago
I'm in the market for some wifi access points. If Ubiquiti is not so great can you name some alternatives?
- jabroni_salad 4mo ago
  Home: eero. they actually work really well. Business: aruba instant-on. They cost more and updates are much less frequent. They are also more reliable and the support experience is far superior even though it is HP.
  - irusensei 4mo ago
    Is the firmware open though?
irusensei 4mo ago
I guess routers and access points are easy to replace with a normal OS but I’m yet to see a managed l2 or l3 switch that runs user provider OS. I’d ditch anything in an eye blink if there was some kind of fully open source network stack that can be controlled through infrastructure code. Affordable that is, not including that Nvidia thingie.
akersten 4mo ago
> Overpriced piece of hardware Sure maybe this NAS is overpriced compared to building it yourself but those are different target markets. When it comes to wireless access points you really can't beat $99 for home use. I've never had any reliability issues, never had to even think about my network, rebooting my router, those issues are just completely in the past and the single-pane-of-glass makes networking such a non-burden. I feel confident knowing my network is not running on some piddly proprietary TP-link fork of openWRT running who knows what else. > hardware that you will never own because it runs proprietary firmware, I don't really buy these things to install a gameboy emulator on them, they're appliances to solve my problem of "need internet" and they work flawlessly. More power to people who achieve that solution by buying their own SDR PCIe cards and wiring that all up, but I don't have time for that nor does it really matter to me. > forced to install apps to take full advantage from those devices. As opposed to busting out an RJ11 cable and configuring them over serial or something? The management platform is part of the value prop, you're clearly not the target audience :)

dipankarsarkar 4mo ago

What am i missing here? They should have been using ZFS all along. Sounds like a marketing piece frankly.

zamadatix 4mo ago
This is a marketing announcement about a new enterprise NAS product+product line. The UNAS line from 2024 was targeted for smaller/simpler prosumer type setups (2-8 drives, no ECC, often no power redundancy, weaker CPUs, & 2.5G-10G networking) and still uses Btrfs on top of traditional RAID.

wwalexander 4mo ago

Will this support expansion in the case of all bays being filled? EDIT: Nevermind, the product page has an option to add up to 32 additional drives via expansion units. Nice!

fennecbutt 4mo ago

Eh I gave up on ubiquiti (for home/small office). Their UI is pretty (lmao ui.com) but their software is terrible, unreliable. Logs are filled with errors which is "normal" etc.

irusensei 4mo ago
Can’t wrap my head around how their firewall rules work. Default rule and there is no way to change it. And lately the interface has been so convoluted and nonsensical. DNS records sure now “policies”, you can only assign very essential rules like setting routing rules to known objects based on MAC address - the ui doesn’t allow you to pick an IP address. I wanted to create a special routing rules to allow a container using macvlans to always leave through ISP2. Since this is a macvlan the interface MAC address was different every time the system started. Mind you “ip x.x.x.x goes through link 2” is one of those basic things firewalls and routers do since forever but if the object doesn’t exist on their automated inventory then forget it.

swordlucky666 4mo ago

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felineflock 4mo ago

Ubiquiti has another cool device: a little travel router that you can configure with WireGuard to VPN into your home network and make yourself safer while on coffee shop and airport wifi. It is nice to be able to access your local NAS and LLMs while away from home too.

jon-wood 4mo ago
It is indeed nice to be able to access local things while away from home but a VPN isn’t making you meaningfully safer on public WiFi networks. They’re all using proper encryption over the air now, I can count on one hand how many coffee shop networks I’ve seen without client isolation, and anything that matters should be happening over TLS regardless which means at worst the network operator sees your DNS requests.

AIcanbiteme 4mo ago

Isn't this the name of some other company or something already? Come on you can throw together letters randomly and come up with something original. Get AI to help maybe?

z3ratul163071 4mo ago

this company is doing amazing things with their products

altmind 4mo ago

Mikrotik released ROSE with arm cpu and 20 u2 for around $1800 this year. My excitement was quickly cooled once I learn they only support their mikrotik router os, no Linux.