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Flipper One Tech Specs
- vivid242 5mo agoA Swiss army knife of the day - after all, Swiss Army knives also serve a psychological purpose. And they do it well!
- vegadw 5mo agoLooks both expensive and power hungry, will be interesting to see how that works out
- janci 5mo agoWhy put such crappy display on such a high power device?
- filcuk 5mo agoThat's pretty simple - the chosen display is best for core usage. Cleay visible in bright sun or dark, sharp angles, easy on the battery. For anything else, there's a HDMI out isn't there.
- extraduder_ire 5mo agoThem actually calling it HDMI now stood out to me. They made a point of avoiding that before.
- sterlind 5mo agomaybe I'm blind, but it looks like there's no radio! like there's wifi and bluetooth, sure, but I don't see NFC or RFID or sub-1ghz radio, at all. imo the flipper always needed to be a software-defined transciever, with a small FPGA to drive it, like the other SDRs on the market. I'm disappointed they seem to have forsaken radio completely.
- rkourdis 5mo agoThey added an M.2 port [1] to which you can attach a variety of modules, including SDR (eg. [2] 30 MHz - 11 GHz). [1]: https://docs.flipper.net/one/hardware/m2-port/modules https://docs.flipper.net/one/hardware/m2-port/modules [2]: https://www.crowdsupply.com/wavelet-lab/ssdr https://www.crowdsupply.com/wavelet-lab/ssdr
- modeless 5mo agoLots of laptops have M.2 ports. You can also get M.2 for Raspberry Pi. I don't know why I would buy this device. I guess it's cool that it's small, but the screen sucks.
- bigiain 5mo agoNo pricing on that sSDR yet, but their single channel M.2 SDR is $360. My guess it the dual channel one would be close to $500. Nice, but above my impulse buy threshold... (It won't surprise me if a Flipper One with that sSDR in it will cost close to $1,500.)
- plugger 5mo agoThis is where I land as well, except I'd go higher. Ukraine has caused the pricing of any FPGA equipped SDR to skyrocket. Plus incredibly high sample rates that the sSDR supports would likely result in a lot of drops in sampling due to sustained throughput issues of the device itself. You'd be surprised how much dropping occurs on even fairly modern/grunty machines. I used to record X band weather satellite baseband on a HP Dev One and ended up using a ramdisk for baseband recording as the PCIe 2.0 bus wasn't able to handle the sustained write speeds once the nvme drive's buffer was maxed out. Basically anything above 30Msps would go to RAM. As strong as the lure is of a cute RF device, I've never bought a flipper as I couldn't justify it given the multitude of other SDRs and radio hardware I have. EG RFNM, BladeRF 2.0 xA4, hackRF clone, RTL-SDRs and NESDRs, as well as a YardStick.
- sterlind 5mo ago
- ge96 5mo agoFinally a legit prop for movies not a pcb taped to a TV remote I like that subreddit too with the e-ink display wifi probing thing forget what it's called oh pwnagotchi
- jgrahamc 5mo agoI have a Flipper Zero and I've used it... occasionally. Like that one time controlling the Taylor Swift Eras tour wristbands: https://blog.jgc.org/2024/05/controlling-taylor-swift-eras-tour.html https://blog.jgc.org/2024/05/controlling-taylor-swift-eras-t... but it's mostly sat around being an odd device. I duplicated a couple of RFID things, used the IR for some stuff, and once in a while used the radio receiver, but mostly it looks pretty. I'm not sure what I'd do with a Flipper One, but I guess I've done a lot of things with Raspberry Pis so... maybe?
- maplant 5mo agoI plan on using it to create a backup password/2FA device... eventually
- tonyarkles 5mo agoI had similar feelings but the comments below about adding an SDR to it with an M.2 slot got me looking a little closer. This has an 8-core Rockchip A72/A53 processor and 8GB of RAM. This is not an incremental improvement over the Flipper Zero, this is something else entirely. Hmmmmm...
- geerlingguy 5mo agoIt's more like a portable Raspberry Pi with better efficiency and more IO. And hopefully even better mainline Linux support out of the gate. The key question will be how much it costs. Beyond $250-300, it's a lot more of a niche product. Below $250 would be very interesting. I don't think it will be below $300. With current memory and storage pricing, probably $350-400 is more realistic :(
- bigiain 5mo agoIts got 8gb of ddr5 in it. That's already a huge chunk of $300 - I'm not even sure they will get the BOM down to $300. I'm guessing it'll be $1000 or so. (Which is good for me. Well above my impulse buy threshold. I don't regret buying my Flipper Zero, because it was within my impulse buy and not regret it threshold.)
- elil17 5mo agoWhy the AI voice assistant? What? Is this perhaps a prank? That doesn't line up with the ethos of the Flipper Zero
- beepbooptheory 5mo agoWhere does it talk about a voice assistant?
- perryprog 5mo agoThe first image which annotates the controls has a "Push-to-Talk button" which is used for "Voice communication" and "AI assistant activation".
- embedding-shape 5mo agoPTT sounds great, tiny walkie-talkies with user-provided antennas, and seems rugged too, I'd probably end up buying two at least :)
- elil17 5mo agoPTT isn't the issue. It's their intended use case.
- embedding-shape 5mo agoIt's a Flipper, the intended use case is "whatever you can think and do", it's not there for a single use case, none of the hardware features are.
- comandillos 5mo agoI mean, one of the very first things I would do on a such powerful device is to run a voice-controlled agent with access to all the IO the Flipper has and let the agent take over the device to do whatever I want. I can imagine having your agent of preference writing python scripts on the fly for whatever scenario you have in mind based on your spoken desires is like... literally a dream device, at least for me.
- s_dev 5mo agoI've heard some professionally inclined RFID engineers dismiss these as mere toys and not useful compared to professional grade hardware. Perhaps some of those folk are on HN if so what are the tool sets you actually use that can be sold to the public?
- panki27 5mo agoNot too far from the truth. The Flipper is good as a toy, but for serious RFID things you want a proxmark 3 clone with Iceman firmware ;)
- K0balt 5mo agoRF design is very much an art, and the difference between works and works really well without harmonics and noise is a matter of design subtleties and often expensive parts. There are decent SDR setups around $500-700 that are known to be pretty good, but you have to go out of your way to buy them from the actual design houses, because despite being “identical”, the clones are not the same. In RF, the devil is in the details.
- ThePowerOfFuet 5mo agoWhich SDRs would you recommend at the $100, $300, $600, and $1200+ price points?
- K0balt 5mo agoI’m not an expert but I know of a few. Are you looking at recieve only, or transmit/ recieve? What frequency ranges? Off the top of my head HackRF one- relatively cheap, pretty good transceiver, lots of crappy clones USRP B205mini, expensive, fast, closer to pro equipment
- bigiain 5mo agoI like my HackRFOne, but be aware it's half-duplex, so it can transmit as well as receive - but can only do one of them at a time. For a little more money you can get full duplex SDRs, which opens up a bunch of extra interesting sttuff you can do.
- dgellow 5mo agoSide question: anyone know what they are using to make those 3d schemas with highlights?
- arjie 5mo agoInteresting. No IR/RFID/NFC? That's the primary use of my Flipper Zero. So this is meant to be a different device rather than a successor.
- Kikawala 5mo agoThe 3.5mm audio jack can be used to plug in an IR emitter.
- mschuster91 5mo agoNo NFC, no 1-wire, no IR? That's some tough losses :(
- pnw 5mo agoI wish this thing looked more generic so the TSA won't confiscate it.
- greyface- 5mo agoI'm as anti-TSA as the next guy, but I don't think they confiscate Flipper Zeros.
- itomato 5mo ago"Steal" is more likely. That's what happened to me. Luckily it was paired and I was able to find it on the agent's person. "It fell."
- Havoc 5mo agoUk border control has confiscated them in the past
- pnw 5mo agoThere's been several reports of people getting referred to secondary screening because of them.
- extraduder_ire 5mo agoI wish more clone devices existed, with a variety of looks.
- tiberious726 5mo agoI fly with a flipper zero often. What are you talking about?
- purpleidea 5mo agoThey are confiscated when they notice.
- kstrauser 5mo agoI need evidence. I've been through TSA lots of times with mine and taking it on transcontinental flights. No one's ever cared. Last year I flew to Def Con with a Mesthtastic radio and a Raspberry Pi server strapped to my backpack, complete with cabling, and no one batted an eye. There's no regulation against carrying one around with you, including on flights.
- bdavbdav 5mo agoLots wondering about the dropping of NFC/other contactless radios. I'd argue Flipper never did this as well as a real Proxmark, and the Flipper One does well to stray from the half baked implementation in the zero
- alexisread 5mo agoThere’s a definite overlap between this and the Cardputer Zero: https://youtu.be/lhS0trmBAAU?si=lLmCKdK3eHyMMAR0 https://youtu.be/lhS0trmBAAU?si=lLmCKdK3eHyMMAR0 M2 slot or a clipon addon? Nice to see more Swiss Army knives in this space
- elevation 5mo agoI wasn't expecting the Ethernet ports. I would love to be able to plug this in an know in a second what tagged vlans are preset, what addr/mask the DHCP server offered, is PXE an option? blink an LED if there's a new RA, ipv6 neighbor, etc. Blink an LED if there's been a 802.3x pause frame in the last 500ms, or 802.3Qbb while we're at it. With the pair of ports, let me MITM so the 802.1X negotiation can take place before I start sniffing.
- elevation 5mo agoMore ideas: let me build an ARP table, then give me a button to send WoL packets to host(s) of my choosing. Let me generate p0f fingerprints on MITM'd traffic.
- PunchyHamster 5mo agoyou are not getting ARP of hosts that are sleeping in WoL waiting to be ran
- elevation 5mo agoCorrect. But it's easier for me to power on a device and let it DHCP request than it is to have to type the mac address in on a d-pad keyboard.
- PunchyHamster 5mo agoGood luck guessing which's which in busy network, or displaying it on tiny screen.
- 866-RON-0-FEZ 5mo agoYou do know they make proper network troubleshooting tools, right?
- elevation 5mo agoI currently do all this with my laptop and wireshark, it just takes time, a USB-C-to-1GBaseT adapter (my ultrabook doesn't have a built-in port) and I have to figure out the capture filter, and all that that still doesn't let me MITM like this dual port device would. What would you use instead?
- risyachka 5mo ago[flagged]
- evanjrowley 5mo agoIt has 2 Ethernet ports. I love it.
- tamimio 5mo agoWhile I am fan for all the extra nerdy stuff, especially the cellular connectivity, but I doubt the battery endurance will be impressive, my current zero lasts weeks on a single charge. This is more of rpi plus addons in one package, great, but until we get to know the heat and battery life.
- rincebrain 5mo agoThey mention in the comments intending to have modes that solely run on the microcontroller, so I imagine that might help somewhat. This also feels like the target market is people who said they dangled this off an RPi-alike to do something that the microcontroller simply did not have the processing to do.
- pigeons 5mo agoI hate this naming trend "One". Its very common and everytime I think, oh its an older one, the first one.
- PoignardAzur 5mo agoYeah but like, the previous one was "Zero", so it makes a lot more sense than usual.
- aftbit 5mo agoShut up and take my money.
- fragmede 5mo agoOnly one wifi? There's more fun to be had if there was two.
- dajonker 5mo agoPlug a wifi module in the M.2 slot!
- midtake 5mo agoTwo ethernet ports, this is lethal af
- Aurornis 5mo agoDisplay connected to the microcontroller instead of the Linux SoC is an interesting choice Actually, putting all of this powerful hardware into a custom aluminum enclosure with gorilla glass and then using a 6-bit low resolution grayscale display is a weird choice. I guess they were going for a certain grayscale low-fi vibe? The "needs verification" and "needs clarification" lines are weird. Like they asked someone (or ChatGPT?) to review some docs and post something, but forgot to review it first.
- regularfry 5mo ago> Display connected to the microcontroller instead of the Linux SoC is an interesting choice There's a comment at the bottom about that. Quoting the response: > From the Linux side, it's a standard framebuffer and keyboard that applications interact with as usual. However, our connection allows the MCU to intercept them and overlay additional content — for example, if the CPU hangs, we can still show a menu on the display and respond to button presses, say for a reboot. This also lets us have a low-power mode with the display still on. Which sounds reasonable.
- entropicdrifter 5mo agoRe:choice of display, I'm betting it's for power saving. If you need a better display you can use the HDMI port or DisplayPort USB-C port and just hook it right up to a monitor/TV
- Aurornis 5mo agoMost of the power in a display goes to the backlight. Going grayscale and low res wouldn't save much at the same level of backlight brightness.
- throwway120385 5mo agoIt would if it was a transflective display.
- amlib 5mo agoGrayscale displays have no subpixels (or just one, depends how you view it) which should allow for more light from the backlight to pass through compared to a color display, thus reducing energy needs for a given brightness.
- Computer0 5mo agoI for one think the PTT will be really great for calling specific tools without fumbling the menu and exactly how I'd like to use a device like this.
- purpleidea 5mo agoI like a device with these kinds of specs and this size, but I'd want all of this and all the hardware on the flipper zero as well. Seems all the RF/radio stuff is gone :/ I'd want at least that and more.
- giobox 5mo agoDual gigabit ethernet + even 6ghz wifi means this will likely work nicely as a travel router, which would mean I might actually carry it. There are a whole bunch of portable server use cases this opens up especially as it seems to have a bit of CPU grunt. My Zero was fun but has languished in drawers.
- ymolodtsov 5mo agoIt should.
- PunchyHamster 5mo agoInteresting. I'd expect to have at least low end SDR built in into the successor, else it will miss a lot of functionality without expansion board
- kittikitti 5mo agoTechnical specifications allow language models to run on this hardware (e.g. quantized 500 million parameter with 8GB LPDDR5 RAM). The Flipper One is AI capable and equipped with Ethernet, it can tackle agentic AI. I imagine a fleet of Flipper's, each with its own agent.
- functionmouse 5mo agoIt's ugly
- xiaoluolyg 5mo ago[dead]
- ethin 5mo agoI wish I could get the Flipper 0 or 1, but it isn't accessible from what I know. And I'd build my own (I'd use it for my AC which has one of those shitty IR AA/AAA-battery style) or maybe even a way for me to control it from the web... Hmm. Problem with doing that is that I'd either need a pi or similar, and a pi seems massively overkill for something like that...
- nvader 5mo agoI love my Flipper Zero, even though I have barely used it much. But I'm much more excited for the busy.bar which I think is from the same team. I'm hoping that gets ready to ship soon!
- HWR_14 5mo agoIs there a reason the case angles out by the touchpad (like an antenna below)? That little feature pushes the overall length of the device up.
- nelox 5mo agoNo NFC or RF?
- ryancnelson 5mo agoi think i'd buy a $279 refurbished steamdeck and a bag of usb-c sensor-widgets from aliexpress. ...In fact I did. I plug my flipper zero into it sometimes, too.
- idle_zealot 5mo agoI was getting very excited about this until I realized it's huge. Bigger than my phone in most dimensions. There go my dreams of a Flipper Zero-esque device I can port RockBox to and plug in for a low-power Linux PC...
- fsflover 5mo agoYou may be interested in Librem 5 or Pinephone then.
- GuB-42 5mo agoIt looks like a completely different product, not an evolution of the Flipper Zero. The main focus here seems to be networking, not Radio/IR/etc... In fact it doesn't even have these features. They could be added but that would be missing the point. The point of the Flipper Zero is to have all these in a cute little package, and have a community around a common hardware platform. If you start adding stuff, there are certainly better/cheaper options, especially if you already have a laptop, or maybe even a smartphone. Also the original Flipper Zero is about $200, it is at the upper limit of what can be considered a toy. Something you can buy without thinking "do I really need this?". The Flipper One is far more powerful, and the casing is not just a plastic clamshell, so it is likely to be significantly more expensive, so, not a toy, especially if you buy accessories, like a PCIe SDR. Also, part of the appeal of the Flipper Zero is that out of the box, it does things that few non-specialized devices do, especially sub-GHz radio. The Flipper One is essentially just a computer. I already have WiFi and Ethernet on plenty of other devices, so it doesn't really open new possibilities. I guess they are trying to go for a more serious tool this time, because as it is, I don't see people buying it on a whim like with the Flipper Zero. Side note: There is a somewhat surprising lack of PoE, considering how much attention the gave to power management, and the fact that one of their use cases involve a security camera. Maybe they did consider it but some technical reasons made it impractical, 48V may be too much to handle.
- Lwrless 5mo agoI use my Flipper Zero weekly (or more frequent). This new model feels much more powerful than the ones based on RPi Zero as a handheld device. I like how they managed to include two RJ45 ports and a USB-A port for connectivity. However, it's still too bulky for me. Perhaps when I get one, I'll try carrying it around all day to see how it goes. There's also a nano SIM slot. With the two Ethernet ports, it's perfect for use as a mobile router. This use case alone is good enough for me. For such a powerful device, I think the lack of a QWERTY keyboard and the inherited orange backlit monochrome display are two of its shortcomings. I don't want to carry a keyboard or screen with me, I want it to be able to take more human input/output without accessories. For those interested in hackable, handheld Linux devices, the M5Stack Cardputer Zero is also worth a look. It will launch on Kickstarter soon, and I have reserved an early bird spot.
- alexalx666 5mo agoThe keyboard on Cardputer is horrible, I mean you already doing a special edition, why not put a decent one (almost anything would be better)
- ZiiS 5mo agoMuch prefer a sub-$100 optimisation of the Zero; tbh you probably wouldn't need change much.
- blackle 5mo agoI have a flipper zero which I use monthly to provision keyfobs for new members of the hackerspace I run. Great little device! This new one doesn't have an nfc/rfid reader/writer so the use-case is a bit befuddling. I'd love to hear how people would use this and how it might beat out, say, a used thinkpad.
- rasz 5mo ago- Unlike Zero this looks more like Teenage Engineering product for computer nerds. Price tag will most likely match this. - Form factor will barely fit everything (battery). - Specs are LLM generated/hallucinated. Can tell by writing/emoji style and specs itself. - GPIO connector pinout specced by someone with no fast digital logic experience. - Buying flipper zero was (is it still?) pumping money to russia. Even after pretending to re-allocate their infrastructure was still in russia before being hidden behind cloudflare.
- snvzz 5mo agoNot RISC-V? Uncool.
- andersmurphy 5mo agoThe low powered MCU (Raspberry Pi RP2350B) has RISC-V: Dual ARM Cortex-M33 @ 150 MHz + Dual RISC-V Hazard3 @ 150 MHz
- throawayonthe 5mo agoi think this can be confidently called a cyberdeck. some may say a full massproduced commercial unit goes against the spirit of che hobby but... there are now hardware clones and evolutions(!) of the flipper zero, community alt firmwares, add-on thingymajigs etc; if they stay as open with this one, having some 'cyberdeck r&d' done with funding might be cool e.g. if they do a good job on the os side, it could become a cool jumping-off point for a variety of builds note i've never actually owner a flipper device or clone :p
- Glohrischi 5mo agoWhat a weird thing to build. I can just do all of it with a laptop. At that price point they will have to put it, it will not be worth it to buy it to carry it around to play around 'sometimes'.
- fsflover 5mo agoHow many laptops run exclusively free drivers with no Intel ME or AMD PSP nowadays?
- Glohrischi 5mo agoI ran the 'alternative' driver version of a wifi card 15 years ago already for basic wep/wpa attacks on my laptop. I don't think one very specific, custom made, non upgradable linux device gives me that much benefit through an exculsivley free driver. And just wait for the price point. Tbh i do like that they are doing this, i like the idea of cyberdecks etc. i just don't think that this Flipper One makes relevant sense. And im quite convinced that Flipper Zero is sitting in a lot of drawers and are absolutly unused. If they would work/support the framework laptop modules, or would build usb hacker rf type style things and the linux software, that would reduce their risk and increase the reach. But a custom device like this?
- kop316 5mo agoYou should look at MNT Research: https://mntre.com/ https://mntre.com/
- fsflover 5mo agoI am aware of them. This only proves my point that it is extremely rare.
- jan_Sate 5mo agoThis. I might purchase other Rockchip SBCs as well.
- fareesh 5mo ago"ok flipper hack everything, make no mistakes"
- emsign 5mo agoNo SDR? That's a bummer because otherwise it looks amazing. Yeah, I understand they are complimentary. But this would not be a big deal if you'd be able to easily connect both Flipper versions (wirelessly) and use the internal hardware and addons of the Flipper Zero with the Flipper One as if they were one device. Maybe even establishing a protocol that could be used to connect more external devices that understand their stndard.