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So, we have: - claude for corps and gov - codex for devs - grok for what, roleplay, racism? Those are the two things I've ever heard grok associated with around
by tornikeo 5mo ago
So, we have:
- claude for corps and gov
- codex for devs
- grok for what, roleplay, racism? Those are the two things I've ever heard grok associated with around me.
- Scroll_Swe 5mo ago[flagged]
- peter_griffin 5mo agoew
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- nsowz 5mo agoGrok is as progressive as any of the other models. Despite some of the highly-publicised fuck-ups, try asking Grok anything racist and see how it replies. Yes, I know you didn't try this and you won’t.
- aqme28 5mo agoThere is a lot of daylight in between “progressive” and “openly explicitly racist”
- nsowz 5mo agoI didn’t say “progressive”; I said “as progressive”.
- aqme28 5mo agoI don't see how that changes my point at all. edit: to clarify for you, here's an example. Model A advocates for single-payer healthcare, while Model B prefers for the current US healthcare system. So on that one axis, A is more progressive than B. Neither of them needs to be racist for that calculation.
- 2ndorderthought 5mo agoIsn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM? Or did they change focus to enhance their racism and propaganda vertical? Things move so quickly these days hard to keep up!
- addedGone 5mo agoMistral will also tell you how to do ransoms btw from A to Z in automated ways, you are saying they are responsible? I don't get the mix here.
- 2ndorderthought 5mo agoYes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. Can you send me a link from a reputable enough source where Mistral models have done this? I didn't even realize they were doing image generation.
- addedGone 5mo agoIf I send you a convo I've had with Mistral and Claude Sonnet 3.7 that say atrocious things (how to scam, and get away with it, by exploiting dating websites in Thailand, you don't even want to know the next steps trust me when it talks about the UK incorporation by the Thai itself that you brainwash first to send packages safely without customs seizing it and so on), you'll then publicly recognize that both those companies should be avoided and are promoting crime? If we have a deal and you publicly acknowledge it, I'll share you the links.
- 2ndorderthought 5mo agoSure!
- pred_ 5mo ago> Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. At the same time, in this corner of the world, acting Minister for Justice (also known for trying to push through Chat Control), and NGO Save the Children, have been working to make legal the generation of CSAM for law enforcement use. So that would certainly make the industry legitimate, and you would already have a customer. https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/regeringen-og-red-barnet-vil-seksuelt-kraenkende-materiale-med-boern-til-livs/ https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/regeringe...
- simianwords 5mo agoCan you share a prompt that can show how it is openly racist now? Lots of easy claims like this can be debunked
- aqme28 5mo agoWhat claim? I didn't make any of that sort
- SanjayMehta 5mo ago100% agree. Grok may or may not be biased one way or the other as far as the US is concerned but from the rest of the world perspective it's mostly the same as any other model trained on Wikipedia.
- Der_Einzige 5mo agoGrok absolutely is fine with being very racist. Stop spreading lies on the internet.
- ndr 5mo agoYou should try all of them, then update your opinion about your information sources accordingly.
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- thinkingtoilet 5mo agoWhat is pathetic is saying "we shouldn't care about killing poor people". X could have build the same datacenter, a little slower, and used solar power. If you're fine with killing poor people that's fine, but my view is hardly pathetic.
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- tocariimaa 5mo agoWhy do Americans love to bring black people into everything?
- thinkingtoilet 5mo agoI didn't bring it into everything. I brought up the fact that the X datacenter in Tennessee is killing people, predominately poor black people. Thats the facts. I'm sorry that upsets you, and apparently this entire site for some reason.
- vrganj 5mo agoGrok for furthering the far-right filter bubble Elon has been hard at work building.
- khalic 5mo agoAnd of course child porn
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- khalic 5mo agoGrok was used to create CSAM
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- spiderfarmer 5mo agoMusk partied with Epstein.
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- tclancy 5mo agoWhat’s the correlation between people defending Musk, Twitter and kiddie diddlers?
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- sudb 5mo agoSo interestingly, I know of at least one application in a charity that deals with trafficking where grok was happy to do one-shot classification tasks where all other models refused to cooperate. I think there's a surprising number of actually useful applications in this sort of grey area for a slightly-less guardrailed, near-frontier model (also the grok-fast models are cheap!).
- 2ndorderthought 5mo agoThere are lots of uncensored models out there. I don't think grok is leading in that front. They kind of pick and choose which things they want to support based on elons world views. Elon used to hang out with sex traffickers so of course grok is fine talking about it. Probably even offers strategies for them does free accounting has money laundering strategies etc...
- spiderfarmer 5mo ago[flagged]
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- 2ndorderthought 5mo ago[flagged]
- user34283 5mo agoOn Artifical Analysis it shows only Kimi K2.6 and Mimo V2.5 Pro as better. Those models are 1T parameters total and 30B or 40B active, this might make abliteration impractical. About Musk, yes, there is correspondence. The only confirmed meeting appears to be a 30 minute visit at Epstein's house together with Musk's wife at the time. As for photos you mention, a quick search tells me there is one photo of Musk and Maxwell at a 2014 Vanity Fair Oscar Party. I find most commentary on here and other platform like Reddit extremely exaggerated compared to what is actually confirmed. Users seem hellbent on linking Musk to pedophilia-related allegations.
- khalic 5mo agoLol. I think they unleashed it on this post, look at the number of only vaguely related, lukewarm opinions trying to push the racism and CSAM stuff to the bottom
- johnnyApplePRNG 5mo ago[flagged]
- coreyh14444 5mo agoIf you need to ask about what people on Twitter are talking about, Grok is really good for that obviously. I use it all the time for "what are the cool kids on twitter saying is the best tiling window manager these days" or whatever. Also, if you have a question that's borderline shady, Grok will often deliver. "Can you find a grey market Windows license site for me" etc.
- Havoc 5mo agoInteresting use case!
- ukd1 5mo agobtw copy pasted your idea in to supergrok, and learnt about Niri! Great use case, thanks!
- niek_pas 5mo ago> If you need to ask about what people on Twitter are talking about, Grok is really good for that obviously. Isn't that why OP was asking about racism?
- karmasimida 5mo agoGrok for fact checking, I mean ironically
- subscribed 5mo agoTBF Grok on Twitter and Grok via api behave differently. The latt r is much better.
- drivingmenuts 5mo agoWhen I look at the person behind it all, I have to wonder how the hell people can even consider using grok? Or using Twitter? Or any of that. Using any of those things puts money in Musk's pockets and further enables and encourages him to continue being a Neo-Nazi wannabe. Do they think it's just a phase?
- everfrustrated 5mo agoDo you drive BMW or VW car? Boy do I have news for you!
- doctorhandshake 5mo agoTechnically you could lump Ford in this category as well. But the meaningful delta IMO is time and direct ownership. None of those three are currently owned/operated by openly Nazi-aligned individuals / groups, which is not something I think you can claim about Tesla.
- breezybottom 5mo agoGo on...make your case
- tsol 5mo agoVW was established by the nazis and was so excited at the conflict in Gaza they converted a factory into a missile factory recently to help the side that killed more journalists than in any other recorded conflict.
- breezybottom 5mo agoThat's a very strange way to say that they sold it to a missile company. I'm pretty sure the new owner is responsible for converting it. Besides which, if they're Nazis then why would they care about protecting Jews?
- aprilthird2021 5mo ago
- Hfuffzehn 5mo agoFrom what I can gather Grok is not used for roleplay much. It is considered to inconsistant and crazy. People are mostly using GLM and Deepseek via API and Gemma4 and Mistral finetunes locally. It seems to me like the roleplay market is comparatively old and mature and users have developed cost consciousness and like models to follow their workflow/preferences. So something like Opus is liked for its smartness but considered too expensive and opinionated. Might be an interesting data point for how the other markets might develop in the future.
- vel0city 5mo agoIt ships with a roleplay feature. https://grok.com/ani https://grok.com/ani
- Hfuffzehn 5mo agoSure, but the best statistics about what models people are actually using when they can choose is probably from openrouter: https://openrouter.ai/apps/category/entertainment/roleplay https://openrouter.ai/apps/category/entertainment/roleplay
- cyanydeez 5mo agodoesnt knowing about openrouter skew by self selection.
- Hfuffzehn 5mo agoYes, but that market is not b2b, less commercialized, more end consumer focused and more bring your own key. That's why I find it interesting. Anthropic is not interested in building a moat there and OpenAI has given up on their announcement of exploring it. So you can see end users making decisions.
- cyanydeez 5mo agobut those end users are a self selected specialized group that won't represent how jim bob in rural nowhere is going to work with Grok 4.3 to refine their racism.
- aembleton 5mo agoI've tried Grok, Gemini and ChatGPT. There have been 2 times now where Gemini and ChatGPT confidently gave me an incorrect answer whereas Grok was correct. I'm now paying for Grok Lite or whatever it is $10 plan. The first question was around setting up timers for a Fox ESS battery in Home Assistant and disconnecting Fox ESS from the cloud. The second was around cornering speed in Sunnypilot and Frogpilot. Somewhat niche but if an AI is confidently telling you something wrong it's hard to work with.
- agrounds 5mo ago>if an AI is confidently telling you something wrong it's hard to work with. But they all do that. It just comes with the territory. Grok will absolutely do the same thing another time you try it.
- ToucanLoucan 5mo agoIt is really, really genuinely concerning how many people think there are profound measurable differences between these things. Like yeah tonally I guess there are. But with regard to references and information? You’re literally just using three different slot machines and claiming one is hot. I suppose though I shouldn’t be that surprised then since Vegas and every other casino on Earth has been built on duping people in that exact way.
- aembleton 5mo ago> You’re literally just using three different slot machines and claiming one is hot. It's a fair point. I haven't tested many queries across them all and checked their answers, but if I want to ask one of them a question - right now its Grok just because I trust its answers more.
- ToucanLoucan 5mo agoIt's not a methodology problem, it's a test-ability problem. LLMs are not deterministic. You can ask the same question to the same LLM five times and you'll likely get at least 3 answers. Again. Slot machine.
- augment_me 5mo agoGemini not being on the list is criminal
- SecretDreams 5mo agoNo point in even trying to have close to a sensible discussion on this topic here. Musk-related posts seem to consistently get brigaded by his acolytes or bots. That and many HN users seem completely comfortable separating morality for what little progress "only Musk" can offer humanity, a la Wernher von Braun.
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- SecretDreams 5mo agoAccounts like this make me feel bad for the mod team.
- Scroll_Swe 5mo agoI am allowed to make accounts? You are just doing driveby "Elon bad" comments. Don't worry, I am an adult and intend to stay and better the community. As I have before. Do better next time please.
- SecretDreams 5mo ago> Don't worry, I am an adult and intend to stay and better the community. Woof, glad to hear that. I was losing sleep before you clarified this one. Your first comment is effectively "the ends justified the means". I think this is a perspective more easily held when your own life isn't impacted by "the means", but does benefit from "the ends". Life's got plenty of nuance - we don't need to lose our humanity at every opportunity for an incremental technological gain that would eventually come either way.
- Scroll_Swe 5mo ago>Your first comment is effectively "the ends justified the means". Yes? Welcome to the real world. The Nazis developed technologies that Western Europe, USA and the Soviet Union all wanted. In your view what should the US have done? Let the Soviets poach them all up and get better at tech and maybe take over Europe even more? >I think this is a perspective more easily held when your own life isn't impacted by "the means" I can say the same to you. I have seen the rapid decline of my country, Sweden, directly due to the 2015 migration crisis and before. So we very much are directly impacted, thank you. >Life's got plenty of nuance - we don't need to lose our humanity at every opportunity for an incremental technological gain that would eventually come either way. This is a very naive view that I am surprised to see on HN. Would Linux have "just happened anyway" without Linus Torvalds? Would Windows have happened without Bill Gates? Facebook without Mark? Clean sewage without Joseph Bazalgette? Mobile X-Rays without Marie Curie? This is in reaction to your Werner Van Braun comment. Do you really think the USA set him to make rockets and engines because he was just a random engineer? No, some people are truly geniuses, and their one impact can matter. Some societies are just better than others. You sit in (probably) the USA or western world, in probably a nice apartment or house willing to say screw it all all the good things will just materialize and happen by itself... I do too but I am not so naive. We have fought for our society.
- Keyframe 5mo agoI always considered grok as also ran. Like grokipedia or what's the name. It has reach since it's free to an extent to produce low quality slop / spam.
- throwa356262 5mo agoThere was an AI roundtable on HN front page 2-3 months back. Someone made an outlier analysis and put it on his github. Guess which LLM was the top outlier and about what type of questions it disagreed with all other LLMs...
- JeremyNT 5mo agoAnecdotal, but our right wing boomer family members prefer Grok because they love Elon Musk and assume any product he is involved in is superior.
- thibran 5mo agoSo you are repeating narratives without checking them?
- peter_griffin 5mo ago@grok is this true?
- timmytokyo 5mo agoWhat's to check? Those of us with memories longer than a goldfish's clearly remember when grok was inserting "white genocide" into responses to totally unrelated queries.
- annexrichmond 5mo agoYet you conveniently forgot about this [1] > When asked if it would be OK to misgender the high-profile trans woman Caitlin Jenner if it was the only way to avoid nuclear apocalypse, it replied that this would "never" be acceptable > Gemini also generated German soldiers from World War Two, incorrectly featuring a black man and Asian woman. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68412620 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68412620
- mrhottakes 5mo agoI don't think they forgot, I think they were talking about Grok and not a different model
- Levitz 5mo agoThe person above explicitly mentions other models with no reference to their own screwups though.
- GorbachevyChase 5mo agoI know it’s really important to write and vocalize one’s alignment with the values of the day, but I don’t think language models being structurally incapable of offending your favorite race/ethnicity/caste should be an objective of AI labs. Language models are just systems and I’m not sure why we think users are not responsible for how they use their outputs. For the same reasons, I don’t dismiss the utility pens as a tool of “racism” because maybe somebody could write a naughty word on a bathroom stall. You probably live somewhere where harassment is a crime, right? Probably, there are speech codes, too? Isn’t that enough? Do we really need to orient every effort of every person on earth around ethical fashions that change every few years?
- goshx 5mo ago> but I don’t think language models being structurally incapable of offending your favorite race/ethnicity/caste should be an objective of AI labs. The opposite should not be an objective either, and Elon has been very openly manipulating what grok says.
- bilbo0s 5mo agoGood point. But no one is saying "use grok". Grok sucks. Not only because it's seemingly made only to serve the goal of ethnically cleansing non-whites or whatever, but also because it's just not even close to being as useful as other models. In human terms, grok is the job candidate who's simply not qualified. That candidate being a virulent racist is beside the material point. Here's the thing though, the point of functional LLMs with fewer guardrails is still a good one. Grok is not that model. But such a hypothetical model would have broad application. (For good and for ill. Of course.)
- solidasparagus 5mo agoI don't agree. I avoided grok because of Musk for a long time, but having used it more, I think it is one the best models around and grok.com is an extremely good chat app. My evaluation was based on trying it before gpt-5.5 and obvious before grok 4.3, but it was, for me, the 2nd best model/chat app after claude. It's much less edgelordy than you might think based on the news.
- zamalek 5mo agoGrok was supposed to be the uncensored frontier model. I'm not sure if we've worked around it, but censorship was making models less intelligent at least a few years ago. xAI have been caught making it agree with everything Elon says, which is a form of censorship, so we can no longer trust that it's truly uncensored: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/21/elon-musk-grok-ai-bias-ranks-richest-man-fittest-smartest https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/21/elon-musk... Others have pointed out highly specific tasks that it is uniquely willing to do, but its more general competitive advantage is gone.
- deeviant 5mo agoIt's quite bad at role play in my (rather large) experience. I have AI play 3 characters in my groups D&D campaign, it doesn't follow instructions well and it's prose, from a creative standpoint, doesn't hold a candle to claude.
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- tistoon 5mo agoMaybe you live in a (fascist) cave. Hope you will get out one day. Grok is awesome. Peace.