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Unfortunately necessary. Essentially every girl I know has had at least one bad experience with a creepy uber driver. These are people that are entering their a

by mholm 7mo ago

Unfortunately necessary. Essentially every girl I know has had at least one bad experience with a creepy uber driver. These are people that are entering their address and often their workplace into the app. It's a big reason why a lot of my friends are picking Waymos instead.

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SoftTalker 7mo ago
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- irl_zebra 7mo ago
  This incident is creepy enough that I would also not agree to a give a random stranger a ride home, absent any additional context or mitigations. Maybe to avoid waking up in an ice bath with my liver gone. But, to not give a ride because of some perceived idea that they would claim you assaulted them or something is a bit "this person should go touch some grass" or whatever.
  - EGreg 7mo ago
    Interesting One of you is afraid that YOU are going to get assaulted or worse. The other is afraid you’re going to get ACCUSED of it. What has this society become?
    - baggy_trough 7mo ago
      A low-trust society.
  - RajT88 7mo ago
    The world we live in is one where women being assaulted is an order of magnitude larger problem than women falsely accusing someone of assault.
    - dchftcs 7mo ago
      You need to develop some empathy and learn that false accusations can destroy lives and families. You have no right to force someone accept even a 1% chance that something like that happens, even if it's less prevalent than assaults.
      - john_strinlai 7mo ago
        they didnt say false accusations dont happen, or that they arent harmful, or that anyone should be forced to do anything. you read what you wanted to read, instead of what was actually written
        Dylan16807 7mo ago
        It looked to me like RajT88 was participating in a rebuttal of SoftTalker's comment. I don't think that interpretation is "reading what you wanted to read". The place you put a comment has implications for what you're arguing.
        RajT88 7mo ago
        The suggestion I was "forcing" someone to accept a risk is reading what they want to read into my comment. I cannot force anyone to do anything, I am mere lines of text on a screen. Whether I was rebutting their comment depends on the subtext you think their comment had. There could very well be a subtext for such a well worn talking point.
        Dylan16807 7mo ago
        > The suggestion I was "forcing" someone to accept a risk is reading what they want to read into my comment. I cannot force anyone to do anything, I am mere lines of text on a screen. That meaning of "forced" is very unreasonably literal. The meaning of "forced" here is that it's the only socially acceptable option, not that there's a gun pointed at them. > Whether I was rebutting their comment depends on the subtext you think their comment had. There could very well be a subtext for such a well worn talking point. They were saying it's reasonable to refuse the trip because of their false accusation worry. I don't know if I would even call it subtext, it seemed to be pretty upfront. The subtext of your comment, if any, seemed to be that it's not reasonable to refuse for that reason. I'm not 100% sure if that's what you meant, but whether it means that is entirely based on you. It's not based on their subtext. You should just tell us if that's what you meant. Edit: In another comment you put> Nailed it. The amount of bandwidth men should dedicate to this is far lower than what women should be dedicating to it in terms of absolute risk. I bet SoftTalker already does dedicate negligible bandwidth to that issue. A stranger coming up to you and asking for a ride is a very rare occurrence.
  - allreduce 7mo ago
    I've got to ask. Is this kind of violent crime common or perceived as common in the US? If a stranger asked me for a ride home here my first thought wouldn't be that they want to attack me.
    - ryandrake 7mo ago
      I think, due to a lot of reasons including skewed media reporting, a lot of uncommon things are perceived as common in the US, and vice versa.
      - deleted 7mo ago
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    - sanswork 7mo ago
      The US has a pervasive culture of fear. It's a big part of why guns are so popular. I have had countless discussions with americans about guns that go along the lines of "What happens if (insert extremely rare violent incident) happens?" and they all literally seem unable to comprehend that these are just not things I even think about at all, and they really shouldn't either given how extremely rare they all are. But a huge percentage of the population does worry about being victimised constantly. It is the main reason that despite the obvious financial benefits and my love for certain landscapes/areas of the US I've never had the slightest desire to move there.
    - foxyv 7mo ago
      Depends on the area. I grew up in a bad neighborhood and everyone was grifting. If you gave a random stranger a ride you would get to take a tour of the roughest places in your city and maybe a "friend" that sees you as a free taxi driver. It was rarely malicious, mostly just people were poor and didn't have access to transportation. But their friends and family can sometimes be pretty dang nasty. This is called being a "Soft Touch."
    - tuesdaynight 7mo ago
      Maybe this video[1] helps you understand this better: a lot of Americans live in constant fear. They live in one of the safest countries on Earth, but if you see the discourse around safety there, you would think that USA is a big cartel neighborhood. Maybe the 24 hours news cycle is responsible for that, I don't know. It's pretty weird, though. And I say that as someone who has lived in unsafe neighborhoods in my native country. [1] https://youtube.com/watch?v=kpgrd6sTGFo https://youtube.com/watch?v=kpgrd6sTGFo
  - lelanthran 7mo ago
    > But, to not give a ride because of some perceived idea that they would claim you assaulted them or something is a bit "this person should go touch some grass" or whatever. Pretty much the same advice any normal person gives their son; a single baseless claim from a woman is enough to ruin a man's life. "Unless you already know the woman, don't spend time alone with her" is pretty good advice.
    - eudamoniac 7mo ago
      I am pretty sure "any normal person" does the exact opposite of this advice. This advice to a son seems constrained to the terminally online. It's a really good way to ensure your son doesn't have success with women, especially.
- taurath 7mo ago
  When faced with the choice of trusting a stranger, you turned it down, then made the decision about the lack of trust in the world? Trust in strangers has never been easy in the US. If something is to change, it has to start individually.
  - ihsw 7mo ago
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  - gchamonlive 7mo ago
    This falls into the domain of the ethics of care. Sure change needs to start some place, but it doesn't need to be done recklessly. Nobody does anybody any favours by putting themselves in dangerous situations. To care for other people, to give them the attention they need you need to prepare yourself for it first.
    - taurath 7mo ago
      Just making the point it’s a bit like someone in traffic complaining about all the other ppl on the road! :)
  - abacate 7mo ago
    I believe you are understanding the opposite of what was said. I understood it as "there cannot be trust anymore" - mostly because different people are at risk of becoming a victim in different ways: from a crime itself, or from being falsely accused of committing a crime. Individuals will act in a way that makes sense for them. Asking them to "just trust more" does not solve the problem - it needs to be addressed at the root (education, communities), which goes far beyond the individual level.
- add-sub-mul-div 7mo ago
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  - foxyv 7mo ago
    If this happened in real life, the actual fear would be getting car jacked by her and the five guys at her "home." Not a false rape accusation that will be ignored by the police.
  - cowboylowrez 7mo ago
    I had a very attractive young woman ask me for a ride once, I turned her down for safety reasons, I didn't even have to imagine what bad things might happen, this is just common sense.
  - Dylan16807 7mo ago
    Someone asking for a ride is "so contrived"? You don't have to believe them but dude what are you even talking about.
- hackable_sand 7mo ago
  Happy that you were honest about it, but paranoia is not healthy.
  - Grum9 7mo ago
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  - seanmcdirmid 7mo ago
    That much paranoia sounds healthy to me. It is exactly what I would tell my kid when he's old enough to drive. And if I had a daughter (there still a chance!) then I would tell her a bunch of CYA stuff also, probably much of the same things but also different things. You can always offer to call them a cab or contact the police for them, or give them some money for the bus if its an option. If it is out in the middle of nowhere, the local police will probably help out since this kind of thing probably happens a lot.
  - yadaeno 7mo ago
    Absent any useful context about the situation at all, it’s very strange for a girl to ask a random guy for a ride home. Most women I know would 100% ask a girl. I think it’s very reasonable to think something is up here.
- eudamoniac 7mo ago
  > That's just the world we live in and it's sad in a way That's the world you live in, and it is definitely sad. Give your neighbor a ride home for God's sake.
dyauspitr 7mo ago
Not necessary and unfairly punishing working men and defacto creating a 50% quota larger market share for female drivers.
scuff3d 7mo ago
I drove for Uber back in like 2016, right around when Pool was introduced. Picked this dude up and then had to stop to pick up another fair, he saw it was a woman's name on the app, and when she called me to figure out where I was at he immediately started yelling sexual stuff into my ear piece. Of course she immediately hung up and cancelled the ride. I drove a few blocks in the opposite direction he wanted to go and threw him out of my car. That's how he acted with me in the car. Can't imagine how he would have been alone with a female driver.
slumpt_ 7mo ago
Fully agree and am pretty disappointed reading replies on here. Anyone familiar with the demographics of this forum? What % male is it? If you have women in your life, ask their thoughts on this. It’s easy to not understand problems that don’t exist for us.
- archagon 7mo ago
  Yeah. You sure learn a whole lot of horrible shit about the world in gender-integrated social spaces. (Like how many women start getting unwanted adult male attention when they turn 12.)
  - tuesdaynight 7mo ago
    If they use any social media like Instagram or TikTok, just ask them to show their DMs as well. I was a douchebag when I was younger, and that was the first step into realizing that I was not aware of the women experience as I thought as I was at the time.
- krapp 7mo ago
  Unfortunately there's no easier way to see the gross underbelly of Hacker News than to mention race, sex or gender.
- potsandpans 7mo ago
  Men disproportionately commit violent crimes, and women are the victims a lot of the time. Culturally, the response has been to celebrate reactive perceptions, like women proudly declaring that they'd prefer to encounter a bear in the woods over a man. Or just generally dismissing or subverting the desire to be masculine. This imbalance enables women to be socially transgressive (even criminally so) with impunity. That discussion is shot down with pithy remarks like, "well, men kill women." I'm not really too concerned with any of this, I'm just pointing out that it does to some degree culturally exist. In some ways, it makes sense. These threads are always filled with two sides talking past one another around this general power imbalance. I do think this kind of surface level divisiveness is what has fueled some of the counter-reaction reactionary movements we're dealing with today. A lot of what is disappointing to you is imo a more personal reaction to other problems that are happening. For example, the loneliness epidemic. Culturally, immediate solutions to immediate problems can be at odds with other problems that we have limited understanding of. I'm rambling. There is something that I want to tease out, but it's difficult to articulate. Something like, the discourse around this has to change if we want things to actually improve. It probably includes (uncomfortably) acknowledging that we need to have healthy and positive outlets for masculinity. My sense is that it can't be good to continue down this technologically empowered segregation path, that companies will be more than willing to enable if it improves their bottom line.
commandlinefan 7mo ago
> picking Waymos instead. Can you pick Waymos? I was in Austin with my daughter who Ubers quite a bit (because dear God there's nowhere to park in that damned city) this weekend. She called an Uber and a Waymo showed up and she was grateful because she prefers them too, but she said that she's not aware of a way to specify that you just want a Waymo.
- OkayPhysicist 7mo ago
  Here in the Bay Area, Waymo is a separate app, not integrated into Uber like it is in Austin.
ravenstine 7mo ago
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- NalNezumi 7mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
- therealpygon 7mo ago
  Of course, you must be lambasted for daring to point out the hypocrisy that this is the very definition of sexual discrimination, or if you were to point out how upset those people would likely be if the roles were reversed and men were allowed to deny women drivers simply because they feel women drivers are less safe at driving. I would think holding the company accountable for creating the unsafe environment, rather than discrimination, would be the thing people want but…seems not.
leptons 7mo ago
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- mmooss 7mo ago
  You seem afraid of non-hetero sexuality at every turn. Even if lesbians are just as likely to be dangerous creeps - which I doubt because it seems like relative physical strength is a major factor - the number of lesbians relative to the number of hetero males makes the risk far lower. The number of trans people is an order of magnitude less. > you don't even really know if the person driving was born as a man or a woman, or what their proclivities are. You never did. People have been gay and trans for all of history.
  - leptons 7mo ago
    >You seem afraid of non-hetero sexuality at every turn. You don't know me well enough to form that opinion, and you're completely, absolutely wrong. All I did was state that this "solution" isn't quite as clear-cut as it seems, and that it will likely backfire. I'm not sure what kind of dysfunction happened in your head for you to arrive at "afraid of non-hetero sexuality"??? Maybe don't imagine things that simply are not there.
    - mmooss 7mo ago
      The GGP comment talks about how all these non-hetero people are somehow more dangerous. It's hard to escape the implications or the responsbility for implying what is a long-time trope of hate - constructing a reality where non-hetero people are somehow actually dangerous despite doing nothing that affects anyone else or is anyone else's business, realizing and rationalizing fears. Fear and hate are two sides of the same emotion. The unknown is scary to people, to everyone. Get to know some non-hetero people and you'll find they are just like everyone else - and you are just like them.
      - leptons 7mo ago
        >The GGP comment talks about how all these non-hetero people are somehow more dangerous That's nonsense. More scary? Where the fuck are you getting this bullshit? Stop. Just go outside and touch grass instead of making up shit just to start pointless internet interactions. This pointless internet interaction is over.

by mholm 7mo ago

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SoftTalker 7mo ago

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irl_zebra 7mo ago
This incident is creepy enough that I would also not agree to a give a random stranger a ride home, absent any additional context or mitigations. Maybe to avoid waking up in an ice bath with my liver gone. But, to not give a ride because of some perceived idea that they would claim you assaulted them or something is a bit "this person should go touch some grass" or whatever.
- EGreg 7mo ago
  Interesting One of you is afraid that YOU are going to get assaulted or worse. The other is afraid you’re going to get ACCUSED of it. What has this society become?
  - baggy_trough 7mo ago
    A low-trust society.
- RajT88 7mo ago
  The world we live in is one where women being assaulted is an order of magnitude larger problem than women falsely accusing someone of assault.
  - dchftcs 7mo ago
    You need to develop some empathy and learn that false accusations can destroy lives and families. You have no right to force someone accept even a 1% chance that something like that happens, even if it's less prevalent than assaults.
    - john_strinlai 7mo ago
      they didnt say false accusations dont happen, or that they arent harmful, or that anyone should be forced to do anything. you read what you wanted to read, instead of what was actually written
      - Dylan16807 7mo ago
        It looked to me like RajT88 was participating in a rebuttal of SoftTalker's comment. I don't think that interpretation is "reading what you wanted to read". The place you put a comment has implications for what you're arguing.
        RajT88 7mo ago
        The suggestion I was "forcing" someone to accept a risk is reading what they want to read into my comment. I cannot force anyone to do anything, I am mere lines of text on a screen. Whether I was rebutting their comment depends on the subtext you think their comment had. There could very well be a subtext for such a well worn talking point.
        Dylan16807 7mo ago
        > The suggestion I was "forcing" someone to accept a risk is reading what they want to read into my comment. I cannot force anyone to do anything, I am mere lines of text on a screen. That meaning of "forced" is very unreasonably literal. The meaning of "forced" here is that it's the only socially acceptable option, not that there's a gun pointed at them. > Whether I was rebutting their comment depends on the subtext you think their comment had. There could very well be a subtext for such a well worn talking point. They were saying it's reasonable to refuse the trip because of their false accusation worry. I don't know if I would even call it subtext, it seemed to be pretty upfront. The subtext of your comment, if any, seemed to be that it's not reasonable to refuse for that reason. I'm not 100% sure if that's what you meant, but whether it means that is entirely based on you. It's not based on their subtext. You should just tell us if that's what you meant. Edit: In another comment you put> Nailed it. The amount of bandwidth men should dedicate to this is far lower than what women should be dedicating to it in terms of absolute risk. I bet SoftTalker already does dedicate negligible bandwidth to that issue. A stranger coming up to you and asking for a ride is a very rare occurrence.
- allreduce 7mo ago
  I've got to ask. Is this kind of violent crime common or perceived as common in the US? If a stranger asked me for a ride home here my first thought wouldn't be that they want to attack me.
  - ryandrake 7mo ago
    I think, due to a lot of reasons including skewed media reporting, a lot of uncommon things are perceived as common in the US, and vice versa.
    - deleted 7mo ago
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  - sanswork 7mo ago
    The US has a pervasive culture of fear. It's a big part of why guns are so popular. I have had countless discussions with americans about guns that go along the lines of "What happens if (insert extremely rare violent incident) happens?" and they all literally seem unable to comprehend that these are just not things I even think about at all, and they really shouldn't either given how extremely rare they all are. But a huge percentage of the population does worry about being victimised constantly. It is the main reason that despite the obvious financial benefits and my love for certain landscapes/areas of the US I've never had the slightest desire to move there.
  - foxyv 7mo ago
    Depends on the area. I grew up in a bad neighborhood and everyone was grifting. If you gave a random stranger a ride you would get to take a tour of the roughest places in your city and maybe a "friend" that sees you as a free taxi driver. It was rarely malicious, mostly just people were poor and didn't have access to transportation. But their friends and family can sometimes be pretty dang nasty. This is called being a "Soft Touch."
  - tuesdaynight 7mo ago
    Maybe this video[1] helps you understand this better: a lot of Americans live in constant fear. They live in one of the safest countries on Earth, but if you see the discourse around safety there, you would think that USA is a big cartel neighborhood. Maybe the 24 hours news cycle is responsible for that, I don't know. It's pretty weird, though. And I say that as someone who has lived in unsafe neighborhoods in my native country. [1] https://youtube.com/watch?v=kpgrd6sTGFo https://youtube.com/watch?v=kpgrd6sTGFo
- lelanthran 7mo ago
  > But, to not give a ride because of some perceived idea that they would claim you assaulted them or something is a bit "this person should go touch some grass" or whatever. Pretty much the same advice any normal person gives their son; a single baseless claim from a woman is enough to ruin a man's life. "Unless you already know the woman, don't spend time alone with her" is pretty good advice.
  - eudamoniac 7mo ago
    I am pretty sure "any normal person" does the exact opposite of this advice. This advice to a son seems constrained to the terminally online. It's a really good way to ensure your son doesn't have success with women, especially.
taurath 7mo ago
When faced with the choice of trusting a stranger, you turned it down, then made the decision about the lack of trust in the world? Trust in strangers has never been easy in the US. If something is to change, it has to start individually.
- ihsw 7mo ago
  [dead]
- gchamonlive 7mo ago
  This falls into the domain of the ethics of care. Sure change needs to start some place, but it doesn't need to be done recklessly. Nobody does anybody any favours by putting themselves in dangerous situations. To care for other people, to give them the attention they need you need to prepare yourself for it first.
  - taurath 7mo ago
    Just making the point it’s a bit like someone in traffic complaining about all the other ppl on the road! :)
- abacate 7mo ago
  I believe you are understanding the opposite of what was said. I understood it as "there cannot be trust anymore" - mostly because different people are at risk of becoming a victim in different ways: from a crime itself, or from being falsely accused of committing a crime. Individuals will act in a way that makes sense for them. Asking them to "just trust more" does not solve the problem - it needs to be addressed at the root (education, communities), which goes far beyond the individual level.
add-sub-mul-div 7mo ago
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- foxyv 7mo ago
  If this happened in real life, the actual fear would be getting car jacked by her and the five guys at her "home." Not a false rape accusation that will be ignored by the police.
- cowboylowrez 7mo ago
  I had a very attractive young woman ask me for a ride once, I turned her down for safety reasons, I didn't even have to imagine what bad things might happen, this is just common sense.
- Dylan16807 7mo ago
  Someone asking for a ride is "so contrived"? You don't have to believe them but dude what are you even talking about.
hackable_sand 7mo ago
Happy that you were honest about it, but paranoia is not healthy.
- Grum9 7mo ago
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- seanmcdirmid 7mo ago
  That much paranoia sounds healthy to me. It is exactly what I would tell my kid when he's old enough to drive. And if I had a daughter (there still a chance!) then I would tell her a bunch of CYA stuff also, probably much of the same things but also different things. You can always offer to call them a cab or contact the police for them, or give them some money for the bus if its an option. If it is out in the middle of nowhere, the local police will probably help out since this kind of thing probably happens a lot.
- yadaeno 7mo ago
  Absent any useful context about the situation at all, it’s very strange for a girl to ask a random guy for a ride home. Most women I know would 100% ask a girl. I think it’s very reasonable to think something is up here.
eudamoniac 7mo ago
> That's just the world we live in and it's sad in a way That's the world you live in, and it is definitely sad. Give your neighbor a ride home for God's sake.

dyauspitr 7mo ago

Not necessary and unfairly punishing working men and defacto creating a 50% quota larger market share for female drivers.

scuff3d 7mo ago

I drove for Uber back in like 2016, right around when Pool was introduced. Picked this dude up and then had to stop to pick up another fair, he saw it was a woman's name on the app, and when she called me to figure out where I was at he immediately started yelling sexual stuff into my ear piece. Of course she immediately hung up and cancelled the ride. I drove a few blocks in the opposite direction he wanted to go and threw him out of my car. That's how he acted with me in the car. Can't imagine how he would have been alone with a female driver.

slumpt_ 7mo ago

Fully agree and am pretty disappointed reading replies on here. Anyone familiar with the demographics of this forum? What % male is it? If you have women in your life, ask their thoughts on this. It’s easy to not understand problems that don’t exist for us.

archagon 7mo ago
Yeah. You sure learn a whole lot of horrible shit about the world in gender-integrated social spaces. (Like how many women start getting unwanted adult male attention when they turn 12.)
- tuesdaynight 7mo ago
  If they use any social media like Instagram or TikTok, just ask them to show their DMs as well. I was a douchebag when I was younger, and that was the first step into realizing that I was not aware of the women experience as I thought as I was at the time.
krapp 7mo ago
Unfortunately there's no easier way to see the gross underbelly of Hacker News than to mention race, sex or gender.
potsandpans 7mo ago
Men disproportionately commit violent crimes, and women are the victims a lot of the time. Culturally, the response has been to celebrate reactive perceptions, like women proudly declaring that they'd prefer to encounter a bear in the woods over a man. Or just generally dismissing or subverting the desire to be masculine. This imbalance enables women to be socially transgressive (even criminally so) with impunity. That discussion is shot down with pithy remarks like, "well, men kill women." I'm not really too concerned with any of this, I'm just pointing out that it does to some degree culturally exist. In some ways, it makes sense. These threads are always filled with two sides talking past one another around this general power imbalance. I do think this kind of surface level divisiveness is what has fueled some of the counter-reaction reactionary movements we're dealing with today. A lot of what is disappointing to you is imo a more personal reaction to other problems that are happening. For example, the loneliness epidemic. Culturally, immediate solutions to immediate problems can be at odds with other problems that we have limited understanding of. I'm rambling. There is something that I want to tease out, but it's difficult to articulate. Something like, the discourse around this has to change if we want things to actually improve. It probably includes (uncomfortably) acknowledging that we need to have healthy and positive outlets for masculinity. My sense is that it can't be good to continue down this technologically empowered segregation path, that companies will be more than willing to enable if it improves their bottom line.

commandlinefan 7mo ago

> picking Waymos instead. Can you pick Waymos? I was in Austin with my daughter who Ubers quite a bit (because dear God there's nowhere to park in that damned city) this weekend. She called an Uber and a Waymo showed up and she was grateful because she prefers them too, but she said that she's not aware of a way to specify that you just want a Waymo.

OkayPhysicist 7mo ago
Here in the Bay Area, Waymo is a separate app, not integrated into Uber like it is in Austin.

ravenstine 7mo ago

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NalNezumi 7mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
therealpygon 7mo ago
Of course, you must be lambasted for daring to point out the hypocrisy that this is the very definition of sexual discrimination, or if you were to point out how upset those people would likely be if the roles were reversed and men were allowed to deny women drivers simply because they feel women drivers are less safe at driving. I would think holding the company accountable for creating the unsafe environment, rather than discrimination, would be the thing people want but…seems not.

leptons 7mo ago

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mmooss 7mo ago
You seem afraid of non-hetero sexuality at every turn. Even if lesbians are just as likely to be dangerous creeps - which I doubt because it seems like relative physical strength is a major factor - the number of lesbians relative to the number of hetero males makes the risk far lower. The number of trans people is an order of magnitude less. > you don't even really know if the person driving was born as a man or a woman, or what their proclivities are. You never did. People have been gay and trans for all of history.
- leptons 7mo ago
  >You seem afraid of non-hetero sexuality at every turn. You don't know me well enough to form that opinion, and you're completely, absolutely wrong. All I did was state that this "solution" isn't quite as clear-cut as it seems, and that it will likely backfire. I'm not sure what kind of dysfunction happened in your head for you to arrive at "afraid of non-hetero sexuality"??? Maybe don't imagine things that simply are not there.
  - mmooss 7mo ago
    The GGP comment talks about how all these non-hetero people are somehow more dangerous. It's hard to escape the implications or the responsbility for implying what is a long-time trope of hate - constructing a reality where non-hetero people are somehow actually dangerous despite doing nothing that affects anyone else or is anyone else's business, realizing and rationalizing fears. Fear and hate are two sides of the same emotion. The unknown is scary to people, to everyone. Get to know some non-hetero people and you'll find they are just like everyone else - and you are just like them.
    - leptons 7mo ago
      >The GGP comment talks about how all these non-hetero people are somehow more dangerous That's nonsense. More scary? Where the fuck are you getting this bullshit? Stop. Just go outside and touch grass instead of making up shit just to start pointless internet interactions. This pointless internet interaction is over.