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Tesla 'Robotaxi' adds 5 more crashes in Austin in a month – 4x worse than humans
- jackp96 9mo agoI'm not an Elon fan at all, and I'm highly skeptical of Tesla's robotaxi efforts in general, but the context here is that only one of these seems like a true crash? I'm curious how crashes are reported for humans, because it sounds like 3 of the 5 examples listed happened at like 1-4 mph, and the fourth probably wasn't Tesla's fault (it was stationary at the time). The most damning one was a collision with a fixed object at a whopping 17 mph. Tesla sucks, but this feels like clickbait.
- malfist 9mo agoIf you routinely hit other objects, even at 1-4 mph, you are not a good driver.
- bryanlarsen 9mo agoThe average driver also likely hits objects at 1-4 mph at more than 4x the rate they hit things at a severity high enough to generate a police report. So the average driver is also likely a bad driver by your standard. Your standard seems reasonable. The data is inconclusive on whether Tesla robotaxi is worse than the average driver. Unlike humans, Waymo does report 1-4 mph collisions. The data is very conclusive that Robotaxi is significantly worse than Waymo.
- giyanani 9mo agoTo be fair, the article calls that out specifically at the end: > What makes this especially frustrating is the lack of transparency. Every other ADS company in the NHTSA database, Waymo, Zoox, Aurora, Nuro, provides detailed narratives explaining what happened in each crash. Tesla redacts everything. We cannot independently assess whether Tesla’s system was at fault, whether the safety monitor failed to intervene in time, or *whether these were unavoidable situations caused by other road users*. Tesla wants us to trust its safety record while making it impossible to verify.
- rmi0 9mo agoLow mph does not automatically imply that crashes are not serious. It does not say anything about speed of other vehicles. Tesla could be creeping at 2mph into flow of traffic, or it could come at a complete stop after doing that and still be the reason of an accident.
- FireBeyond 9mo agoDoesn't matter if you're doing 4mph moving into an intersection where cross traffic is doing 35 or more.
- fabian2k 9mo agoThis is with safety drivers. So at this point you can't really make any conclusions about how good the Robotaxi is at avoiding major crashes since those should ideally be handled by the safety drivers. Without the actual data around all driver interventions you cannot make any positive conclusions about safety here. My suspicion is that these kinds of minor crashes are simply harder to catch for safety drivers, or maybe the safety drivers did intervene here and slow down the car before the crashes. I don't know if that would show in this data.
- NathanKP 9mo agoAgreed. The "Tesla backed into objects, one into a pole or tree at 1 mph and another into a fixed object at 2 mph" stood out to me in specific. There is no way that any human driver is going to report backing into something at 1 or 2 mph. While I was living in NYC I saw collisions of that nature all the time. People put a "bumper buddy" on their car because the street parallel parking is so tight and folks "bump" the car behind them while trying to get out. My guess is that at least 3 of those "collisions" are things that would never be reported with a human driver.
- romaaeterna 9mo agoI'd be interested in more details about the 17mph collision as well. Was it a dead-center collision with a pole after hard braking? Was it a mirror clip or a curb clip or something similar? There seem to be a wide range of possibilities.
- Traster 9mo agoI said in earlier reports about this, it's difficult to draw statistical comparisons with humans because there's so little data. Having said that, it is clear that this system just isn't ready and it's kind of wild that a couple of those crashes would've been easily preventable with parking sensors that come equipped as standard on almost every other car. In some spaces we still have rule of law - when xAI started doing the deepfake nude thing we kind of knew no one in the US would do anything but jurisdictions like the EU would. And they are now. It's happening slowly but it is happening. Here though, I just don't know if there's any institution in the US that is going to look at this for what it is - an unsafe system not ready for the road - and take action.
- dsf2d 9mo agoIts not ever going to get ready. Getting this to a place where it is better than humans continuously is not equivalent to fixing bugs in the context of the production of software used on phones etc. When you are dealing with a dynamic uncontained environment it is much more difficult.
- SpicyLemonZest 9mo agoWaymo is in a place where it's better than humans continuously. If Tesla is not, that's on them, either because their engineers are not as good or because they're forced to follow Elon's camera-only mandate.
- moralestapia 9mo agoIt's the camera-only mandate, and it's not Elon's but Karpathy's. Any engineering student can understand why LIDAR+Radar+RGB is better than just a single camera; and any person moderately aware of tech can realize that digital cameras are nowhere as good as the human eye. But yeah, he's a genius or something.
- xiphias2 9mo agoUsing only cameras is a business decision, not tech decision: will camera + NN be good enough before LIDAR+Radar+RGB+NN can scale up. For me it looks like they will reach parity at about the same time, so camera only is not totally stupid. What's stupid is forcing robotaxi on the road before the technology is ready.
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- AlotOfReading 9mo agoIt's amazing how well Waymo functions as a shibboleth for people who don't understand how these systems work. Waymo's remote assistants provide high level guidance, they're not part of the control loop. Supposedly neither are Tesla's remote assistants, though there are open questions about why they've posted job descriptions about building a teleop system for their vehicles [0] and why their remote assistant setups have steering wheels if that's completely true. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20241211115851/https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/careers/search/job/c-software-engineer-teleoperation-tesla-bot-and-robotaxi-227959 https://web.archive.org/web/20241211115851/https://www.tesla...
- small_model 9mo agoThe source is a well known anti Tesla, anti Musk site, the owner has a psychotic hatred from Tesla and Elon after being a balanced click bait site for years. Ignore.
- MBCook 9mo agoThe source is legally mandated reporting to the government. Elecktek is just summarizing/commenting.
- ralfd 9mo agoElectrec is not neutral commenting, it always giving any data an anti-Tesla spin.
- MBCook 9mo agoI didn’t say they were. They do have a bias. I have the same one. My comment was aimed at the implication that the data might be untrustworthy because they were the ones reporting it. So I pointed out it wasn’t their data. As for “spin“ Elon has been telling us for a long time that FSD is safer than humans and will save lives. We appear to have objective data that counters that narrative. That seems worth reporting on to me.
- small_model 9mo agoWho said the data was untrustworthy, the source of the article is presenting the data in a highly negative light, which it does in 99% of its articles, so it's a worthless website for reporting data of this sort. It's basically a few light bumps going at snails pace and probably caused by other cars. The articles headline reads as if it mowed down a group of school children.
- mmooss 9mo agoEvery criticism is accompanied by comments attacking the messenger. Is there evidence of Elektrek's supposed bias?
- lateforwork 9mo agoTesla's Robotaxis are bringing a bad name to the entire field of autonomous driving. The average consumer isn't going to make a distinction between Tesla vs. Waymo. When they hear about these Robotaxi crashes, they will assume all robotic driving is crash prone, dangerous and irresponsible.
- SilverElfin 9mo agoYep, feels a lot like that submarine that got crushed trying to get to the Titanic a year or two ago. It made the entire marine industry look worse, and other companies making submarines were concerned it would hurt their business.
- toomuchtodo 9mo agoThe difference is the OceanGate Titan failure only harmed those who didn't do their due diligence and the grossly negligent owner. The risk was contained to those who explicitly opted in. In this case, Tesla Robotaxis harm others to keep Tesla's valuation and share price propped up. The performance art is the investor relations.
- VTimofeenko 9mo agoInb4: not remotely in the marine field, so a genuine question. Would it really make an impact? Robotaxis market is much broader than the submersibles one, so the effect of consumers' irrationality would be much bigger there. I'd expect an average customer of the submarines market to do quite a bit more research on what they're getting into.
- mikkupikku 9mo agoHaving the whole world meming on rich dudes in submarines could plausibly make the whole industry seem less cool to people with the money to buy even a good submarine. Imagine being a rich dude with a new submarine and everybody you talk to about it snickers about you getting crushed like Stockton. Maybe you'd just buy a bigger yacht and skip the submarine, which you were probably only buying for the cool factor in the first place...
- vessenes 9mo agoInteresting crash list. A bunch of low speed crashes, one bus hit the Tesla while the Tesla was stationary, and one 17mph into static object (ouch). For those complaining about Tesla's redactions - fair and good. That said, Tesla formed its media strategy at a time when gas car companies and shorts bought ENTIRE MEDIA ORGs just to trash them to back their short. Their hopefulness about a good showing on the media side died with Clarkson and co faking dead batteries in a roadster test -- so, yes, they're paranoid, but also, they spent years with everyone out to get them.
- margalabargala 9mo agoIt does not reflect well on Tesla to have failed to update their media structure now that EVs are everywhere and no longer a threat to existing car companies.
- maxdo 9mo agoEV's are even bigger threat now if you outside regulated bubble in US. everywhere else, china dominates the market with cheaper and cheaper EV's, while EU/US automakers fail to compete. replace tesla with china.
- margalabargala 9mo agoEVs aren't a threat because every automaker now has an EV program and has for years. It's now carmaker vs carmaker, not kind of car vs kind of car.
- testing22321 9mo agoLiterally all the us carmakers are cancelling their EVs.
- AlexandrB 9mo agoIt's funny how one can see a persecuted underdog in a company that claimed full self driving (coast to coast) almost a decade ago and had not delivered anything close until just last year. I wonder how the folks who bought their "appreciating asset"[1] in 2019 feel about their cars' current value. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/musks-claim-teslas-appreciate-value-post-purchase-flopped-2024-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/musks-claim-teslas-appreciat...
- fabian2k 9mo agoIt's impressive how bad they're at hiring the safety drivers. This is not even measuring how good the Robotaxi itself is, right now it's only measuring how good Tesla is at running this kind of test. This is not inspiring any confidence. Though maybe the safety drivers are good enough for the major stuff, and the software is just bad enough at low speed and low distance collisions where the drivers don't notice as easily that the car is doing something wrong before it happens.
- arein3 9mo agoA minor fender-bender is not a crash 4x worse than humans is misleading, I bet it's better than humans, by a good margin.
- SoftTalker 9mo agoI agree, and not in defense of Tesla but a 1mph collision while backing is something most human drivers are not going to report anywhere. That's why most cars have little scrapes and scratches on the bumpers and doors. Tesla should be more forthcoming with the full narrative of these incidents though.
- pengaru 9mo agoIt's a fusion of jazz and funk!
- BirAdam 9mo agoAt this point, I am really sick of both Elon supporters and Elon haters, coverage of Elon's companies either good or bad (as it's always incredibly biased in either direction), and sick of both the current trend of hyper optimism and hyper doomerism. I know that it is irrational to expect any kind of balance or any kind of objective analysis, but things are so polarized that I often feel the world is going insane.
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- Veserv 9mo agoIt is important to note that this is with safety drivers. Professional driver + their most advanced "Robotaxi" FSD version under test with careful scrutiny is 4x worse than the average non-professional driver alone and averaging 57,000 miles per minor collision. Yet it is quite odd how Tesla also reports that untrained customers using old versions of FSD with outdated hardware average 1,500,000 miles per minor collision [1], a literal 3000% difference, when there are no penalties for incorrect reporting. [1] https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety
- WarmWash 9mo agoRobotaxi supevision is just an emergency brake switch. Consumer supervision is having all the controls of the car right there in front of you. And if you are doing it right, you have your hands on wheel and foot on the pedals ready to jump in.
- UltraSane 9mo agoThat just makes the Robotaxi even more irresponsible.
- foxyv 9mo agoI think they were so used to defending Autopilot that they got confused.
- tzs 9mo ago> Robotaxi supevision is just an emergency brake switch That was the case when they first started the trial in Austin. The employee in the car was a safety monitor sitting in the front passenger seat with an emergency brake button. Later, when they started expanding the service area to include highways they moved them to the driver seat on those trips so that they can completely take over if something unsafe is happening.
- ssl-3 9mo agoInteresting. I wonder if these newly-reported crashes happened with the employee positioned in e-brake or in co-pilot mode.
- smileson2 9mo agoill stick to the bus
- simondotau 9mo agoOne of the Robotaxi “crashes” was actually a moving bus colliding into a stationary Robotaxi.
- robby_w_g 9mo agoThat's even more convincing. I wouldn't want to be in the RoboTaxi that's getting hit by a bus
- hermitcrab 9mo ago"Tesla remains the only ADS operator to systematically hide crash details from the public through NHTSA’s confidentiality provisions." Given the way Musk has lied and lied about Tesla's autonomous driving capabilities, that can't be much of a surprise to anyone.
- WarmWash 9mo agoThe problem Tesla faces and their investors are unaware of, is that just because you have a Model Y that has driven you around for thousands of miles without incident does not mean Tesla has autonomous driving solved. Tesla needs their FSD system to be driving hundreds of thousands of miles without incident. Not the 5,000 miles Michael FSD-is-awesome-I-use-it-daily Smith posts incessantly on X about. There is this mismatch where overly represented people who champion FSD say it's great and has no issues, and the reality is none of them are remotely close to putting in enough miles to cross the "it's safe to deploy" threshold. A fleet of robotaxis will do more FSD miles in an afternoon than your average Tesla fanatic will do in a decade. I can promise you that Elon was sweating hard during each of the few unsupervised rides they have offered.
- whiplash451 9mo ago> hundreds of thousands of miles without incident Almost there. Humans kill one person every 100 million miles driven. To reach mass adoption, self-driving car need to kill one every, say, billion miles. Which means dozens or hundreds of billions miles driven to reach statistical significance.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> to reach mass adoption, self-driving car need to kill one every, say, billion miles They need to be around parity. So a death every 100mm miles or so. The number of folks who want radically more safety are about balanced by those who want a product in market quicker.
- ncallaway 9mo ago> They need to be around parity. I don't think so. The deaths from self-driving accidents will look _strange_ and _inhuman_ to most people. The negative PR from self-driving accidents will be much worse for every single fatal collision than a human driven fatality. I think these things genuinely need to be significantly safer for society to be willing to tolerate the accidents that do happen. Maybe not a full order of magnitude safer, but I think it will need to be clearly safer than human drivers and not just at parity.
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- outside1234 9mo agoJust imagine how bad it is going to be when they take the human driver out of the car. No idea how these things are being allowed on the road. Oh wait, yes I do. $$$$
- ArchieScrivener 9mo agoGood, who cares. Autonomous driving is an absolute waste of time. We need autodrone transport for civilian traffic. The skies have been waiting. In before, 'but it is a regulation nightmare...'
- tgrowazay 9mo agoIt is safety, regulatory and noise nightmare.
- ArchieScrivener 9mo agoAs opposed to what, nuclear energy, airplane traffic, people directing 2 ton vehicles? Get over your bs.
- chinathrow 9mo agoWell, how about time to take them off the roads then?
- nova22033 9mo agoHe going to fix this by having grok redefine "widespread" https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/22/musk-tesla-robotaxis-us-expansion.html https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/22/musk-tesla-robotaxis-us-expa... Tesla CEO Elon Musk said at the World Economic Forum in Davos that the company’s robotaxis will be “widespread” in the U.S. by the end of 2026.
- ProfessorZoom 9mo agoIs there any place online to read the incident reports? For example Waymo in CA there's a gov page to read them, I read 9 of them and they were all not at the fault of Waymo, so I'm wondering how many of these crashes are similar (ie at a red light and someone rear ends them)
- LZ_Khan 9mo agoNo, TSLA purposely does not list the details of the incident.
- anonym29 9mo agoThis data seems very incomplete and potentially misleading. >The new crashes include [...] a crash with a bus while the Tesla was stationary Doesn't this imply that the bus driver hit the stationary Tesla, which would make the human bus driver at fault and the party responsible for causing the accident? Why should a human driver hitting a Tesla be counted against Tesla's safety record? It's possible that the Tesla could've been stopped in a place where it shouldn't have, like in the middle of an intersection (like all the Waymos did during the SF power outage), but there aren't details being shared about each of these incidents by Electrek. >The new crashes include [...] a collision with a heavy truck at 4 mph The chart shows only that the Tesla was driving straight at 4mph when this happened, not whether the Tesla hit the truck or the truck hit the Tesla. Again, it's entirely possible that the Tesla hit the truck, but why aren't these details being shared? This seems like important data to consider when evaluating the safety of autonomous systems - whether the autonomous system or human error was to blame for the accident. I appreciate that Electrek at least gives a mention of this dynamic: >Tesla fans and shareholders hold on to the thought that the company’s robotaxis are not responsible for some of these crashes, which is true, even though that’s much harder to determine with Tesla redacting the crash narrative on all crashes, but the problem is that even Tesla’s own benchmark shows humans have fewer crashes. Aren't these crash details / "crash narrative" a matter of public record and investigations? By e.g. either NHTSA, or by local law enforcement? If not, shouldn't it be? Why should we, as a society, rely on the automaker as the sole source of information about what caused accidents with experimental new driverless vehicles? That seems like a poor public policy choice.
- mmooss 9mo ago> there aren't details being shared about each of these incidents by Electrek. > Aren't these crash details / "crash narrative" a matter of public record and investigations? Per the OP, Tesla doesn't publish the details; all other autonomous driving manufacturers do.
- jeffbee 9mo agoTheir service is way worse than you think, in every way. The actual unsupervised Robotaxi service doesn't cover a geofenced area of Austin, like Waymo does. It traverses a fixed route along South Congress Avenue, like a damned bus.
- maxdo 9mo agoelectrec as always. ``` The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds. ``` so in reality one crash with fixed object, the rest is... questionable, and it's not a crash as you portrait. Such statistic will not even go into human reports, as it goes into non driving incidents, parking lot etc.
- flutas 9mo agoFor everyone's context, in the same time Waymo had 101 collisions according to the same dataset.
- free652 9mo agoWhat dataset? Isn't the article clearly specified a different number? Your context sucks, and it's good as a lie. >Waymo reports 51 incidents in Austin alone in this same NHTSA database, but its fleet has driven orders of magnitude more miles in the city than Tesla’s supervised “
- maxdo 9mo agoyou are talking about 5 incidents, this is not statistics. Its just a fluctuation of random numbers, and random events like bus hits the taxi while idle. It's already 20% of your data is incorrect lol , since it's 1 out of 5. So far , you can clearly tell : 1. tesla works decent in a limited environment, no crazy patterns 2. It's a limited env that means nothing. Scale is still not there. They ned to prove themself.
- ModernMech 9mo agoHonestly I thought everyone was clear how this was going to go after the initial decapitation from 2016, but it seems like everyone's gonna allow these science experiments to keep causing damage until someone actually regulates them with teeth.
- yieldcrv 9mo agoWaymo is licensing out their "Driver" software to cars that fit the specification if Tesla drops the ego they could obtain Waymo software and track record on future Tesla hardware
- legitster 9mo agoAlso keep in mind all of the training and data and advanced image processing has only ever been trained on cities with basically perfect weather conditions for driving (maybe with the exception of fog in San Francisco). We are still a long, long, long way off for someone to feel comfortable jumping in a FSD cab on a rainy night in in New York.
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- leesec 9mo agoFunny to see the comments here vs the thread the other day where a Waymo hit a child. There's no real discussion to be had on any of this. Just people coming in to confirm their biases. As for me, I'm happy to make and take bets on Tesla beating Waymo. I've heard all these arguments a million times. Bet some money
- ra7 9mo ago> Tesla beating Waymo Heard this for a decade now, but I’m sure this year will be different!
- leesec 9mo agoI didn't say this year, but lets bet on it?
- ra7 9mo agoNothing says confidence like a prediction with an unspecified timeline.
- leesec 9mo agoPropose a bet with concrete details and resolutions so we can bet. For instance, Would you like to bet 1000 dollars Tesla has more unsupervised self driving robotaxis than Waymo at the start of 2027?
- ra7 9mo agoWe all know Tesla likes to play smoke and mirrors game with vehicle numbers — they have 300+ "robotaxis" but only 7 of them are unsupervised [1], and they shut down when it rains [2]. So let's use a metric that unequivocally shows who is 'winning'. I'm confident Waymo will have more paid rides per week than Tesla at the start of 2027 (I'll give you 2028 if you want). No other metric indicates scale better than passenger trips. If you have more robotaxis or you are in more cities, it will show up in the trip count. I'll give $1000 to a charity of your choosing if Tesla beats Waymo in this metric. Fully unsupervised trips only, does not include trips with a safety driver or a monitor in a passenger seat, none of the usual games they like to play. [1] https://robotaxitracker.com/?provider=tesla https://robotaxitracker.com/?provider=tesla [2] https://x.com/ethanmckanna/status/2022803049551372395 https://x.com/ethanmckanna/status/2022803049551372395
- lbrito 9mo agoNow imagine if all those billions in taxes had been used to build real transit infrastructure instead of subsidizing Tesla.
- Muromec 9mo agoYour deportation papers for being a communism agitator are on the way.
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- 1970-01-01 9mo agoYou are absolutely correct. We need context and nuance but there simply is none in this data. It is clickbait. "Crashing" in this report is defined as "an object touched the car". The highest speed is 27MPH with "an animal" (turtle, cat, pigeon, we have no idea), while the lowest speed crashes are at -0- MPH. Yes, they're including five events where something hit the car while it was not moving.
- pnw 9mo agoElectrek is a highly biased source, the editor has a grudge against Elon and Tesla. It's really unfortunate since it used to be one of the best EV sites.
- jp0d 9mo agoAre the facts presented in the article incorrect?
- testing22321 9mo agoOne of them is a bus hitting a stationary Tesla - hard to paint that as the teslas fault. A few are low speed reversing into things, the extreme majority of which done by humans are never reported and are not in the dataset comparing how many crashes Tesla have had vs humans. I would say they’re facts, but they’re being used dishonesty
- youarentrightjr 9mo ago> One of them is a bus hitting a stationary Tesla - hard to paint that as the teslas fault. Since the narratives are redacted, who's to say the Tesla didn't change lanes to be in front of the bus, slam on the brakes, then get rear ended? Or pull partially out of a driveway, stopping and blocking a lane with a bus traveling 35mph in said lane and got hit by it? > A few are low speed reversing into things, the extreme majority of which done by humans are never reported and are not in the dataset comparing how many crashes Tesla have had vs humans. I'm sure this happens to humans all the time, but not a single one of those humans would be considered a good (or even decent) driver.
- testing22321 9mo ago> not a single one of those humans would be considered a good (or even decent) driver. So is the bar here being a good or decent driver, or being x times worse than the average human? I see a lot of bar moving.
- Grimblewald 9mo agoI spew elon hate every chance I get and I maintain I am being too kind on him.
- nelsonic 9mo agoDid anyone actually read the article before commenting? The crashes were all minor. No injuries. If anything this shows Tesla making an effort to report everything. A 2mph bump isn’t a “crash” it’s barely anything. The 17mph collision may have caused some minor damage to the “fixed object” but not clear from the article.
- jp0d 9mo agoA 2mph bump isn’t nothing. If it failed to stop it can trample people. It can still do damage to elderly or disabled people. The 17mph collision may have caused some minor damage to the “fixed object” but that fixed object could've been someone standing still. Tesla is not making an effort, they're doing the bare minimum.
- MeetingsBrowser 9mo ago> Did anyone actually read the article ... If anything this shows Tesla making an effort to report everything. Meanwhile, the article if you read it > What makes this especially frustrating is the lack of transparency. Every other ADS company in the NHTSA database, Waymo, Zoox, Aurora, Nuro, provides detailed narratives explaining what happened in each crash. Tesla redacts everything.
- whimsicalism 9mo agoI'm no tesla lover, but I doubt that 4mph backing into an object is something that would be reported in a human context so I'm not sure a '4x' number is really comparative vs. sensationalized.
- pardon_me 9mo agoI'm almost certain they aren't comparing crash statistics to the equivalent human taxi context, "professional" drivers.
- ggm 9mo agoGiven how minor these are, you think they'd get in front of the conspiracy by full disclosure.
- guywithahat 9mo agoThis is something Electrek does regularly and isn't unique to this article but I don't like how they suggests the Tesla crash reports are doing something shady by following the reporting guidelines. Tesla is reporting things by the books, and when Electrek doesn't like how the laws are laid out they blame Tesla. Electrek wants Tesla to publish separate press notes, and since they don't they take their frustration out on the integrity of the article, which is worse for everyone.
- mmooss 9mo agoAccording to the OP, all other autonomous driving companies publish complete accident reports.
- guywithahat 9mo agoThis is (one of) my point(s), Tesla does publish accident reports to all the major government agencies, and then those agencies make them public. Electrek wants a press packet, which Tesla isn't doing for them. In response, they try to make it sound like Tesla is shady and hiding things, or otherwise acting in some nefarious manor nobody else could think to act in. It feels disingenuous and will only serve to hurt autonomous driving optics for all companies
- mmooss 9mo ago> Tesla does publish accident reports to all the major government agencies, and then those agencies make them public. Electrek says they aren't made public, if I understand correctly (?). Do you know where the public can access them - do you have any links?
- iknowstuff 9mo agoSuch slop. First, they take NHTSA SGO "crashes" which explicitly includes basically any physical impact with property damage e.g. 1–2 mph “backed into a pole/tree”. Then they compare that numerator to Tesla’s own “minor collision” benchmark — which is not police-reported fender benders; it’s a telemetry-triggered “collision event” keyed to airbag deployment or delta-V ≥ 8 km/h. Different definitions. Completely bogus ratio. Any comparison to police-reported crashes is hilariously stupid for obvious reasons. On top of that, the denominator is hand-waved ("~800k paid miles extrapolated"), which is extra sketchy because SGO crashes can happen during non-paid repositioning/parking while "paid miles" excludes those segments. And we’re talking 14 events in one geofenced, early rollout in Austin so your confidence interval is doing backflips. If you want a real claim vs humans, do matched Austin exposure, same reportable-crash criteria, severity stratification, and show uncertainty bands. But what you get instead is clickbait so stop falling for this shit please HN.
- DivingForGold 9mo agoElon discarded any thoughts of LiDAR years ago. Motor Trend said the lack of LiDAR and reliance on cameras has led to specific, recurring issues that critics argue make it less "practical" for true, unsupervised autonomy.
- bdangubic 9mo agoat this point much bigger news story might be “robotaxi made it from point A to point B in a straight line on a vacant parking lot (supervised)”
- DoesntMatter22 9mo agoNot too bad. It’ll only improve from here and some of the accidents are reversing into poles and what not. Most of which isn’t counted in human accidents.
- jgalt212 9mo agoTSLA investors don't care (as long as Musk is still there to keep them believing). Years of bad news, and the stock is only 10% off it's all time highs. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/ https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/
- TheAlchemist 9mo agoSo, are we at 50% of US population, without the safety drivers, before end of 2025 yet ? The sheer scale and financial consequences (once it implodes) of Tesla scam are unprecedented. While the word 'crash' seem a bit strong here, keep in mind, as the article mention, that Tesla is volountarily redacting all the details. The company was recently found to deliberately lying about the availability of the data in a death case, and ordered to pay >$200 million.
- senectus1 9mo agowait, i thought there were none anywhere? that the promised taxis never arrived?
- throwaway81523 9mo agoAnd they're making them without steering wheels now! I'm sure there's a saying about that. https://electrek.co/2026/02/17/tesla-rolls-first-steering-wheel-less-cybercab-unit-off-the-line-before-solving-autonomy/ https://electrek.co/2026/02/17/tesla-rolls-first-steering-wh...
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