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Rivian R2: Electric Mid-Size SUV
- neogodless 8mo agoSee also: https://insideevs.com/reviews/786814/rivian-r2-prototype-first-drive/ https://insideevs.com/reviews/786814/rivian-r2-prototype-fir... https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/first-drive-2026-rivian-r2-dual-motor-awd https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/first-drive-2026-rivian-r...
- richwater 8mo agoI'm tired of EVs using the electric usage to gut their interiors of $50k+ cars.
- lenerdenator 8mo agoI like the Rivians I've seen. They're actually, y'know, a truck as opposed to a k-hole hallucination. You can lift stuff up and over the bed near the cab.
- gkanai 8mo agoThe R1 is a body on frame, so a traditional truck chassis. This new R2 is a unibody- so more of a car, less so a truck
- hn_acc1 8mo agoCan they fix that web page? That was so awful to try to get any info.. Just scroll, scroll, scroll and still just a bunch of big pictures and no meaningful info.
- mholt 8mo agoIf you look at the R1 pages, you'll see those pages, though scroll-heavy, at least contain more useful info. I'm hoping that after R2 is actually available to order, that they'll update the page with more information. It's still early.
- cebert 8mo agoThe scrolling was so bad I had to close the page when I was actually interested.
- socialcommenter 8mo agoThis was half the reason I posted to HN, honestly. I've seen several recent examples of modern product pages which render awfully because they're trying to be "quirky". Edit: look at this, scrolling an entire screen only to have a photo zoom by <1.25x: https://imgur.com/a/G2Hfe3Q https://imgur.com/a/G2Hfe3Q
- para_parolu 8mo agoI really reality wish rivian create a better self-driving technology soon and make a proper competition to tesla. Rivian cars are so nice and well designed.
- api 8mo agoHonestly just decent smart cruise and lane keeping is good enough. Concentrate on making a solid long range reliable EV is the best way to compete with Tesla in the short to medium term.
- freetime2 8mo agoPersonally I'm in no rush to have self-driving capabilities in my car for at least another decade or so. I'm pretty happy with the current ADAS systems found in most cars like adaptive cruise control, lane keeping, and collision avoidance - and happy to just see incremental refinements to those systems. At some point I want a self-driving car, but I'm happy to let Waymo and Tesla users test those systems for another 10+ years before I personally start using them.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo agoAre you buying a car in the next 10 years? I’m in a similar boat. But I’m irrelevant to the car market because I’m not buying until I can buy a Level 4 car.
- freetime2 8mo agoI just bought a new car, and will probably buy another 1-2 cars in the next 10 years. My ideal upgrade path for cars is: * I wanted my most recent purchase to be a PHEV * I want my next purchase in roughly 5 years to be an EV (hopefully solid state batteries are available by then) * In about 10 years I am hoping that I can buy a car that can self-drive most of my trips door-to-door One thing I'll add is that I live in an area that gets a ton of snow, and current ADAS features are basically worthless in snow. They all turn off once the sensors get covered in ice, or when lines in the road are no longer visible. So I expect that even in new cars 10 years from now, I'll still need to take the wheel to drive during winter. Basically the features are nice when they work, but I'm still going to want to car that is first and foremost designed to be driven by humans.
- 7e 8mo agoLength and width wise, it's smaller than a Model Y. It's deceptively styled to look a big boy car, but it's a matchbox. That's why no reviewers will show themselves or anyone else towering over it. It's for those who want a big car, but without all that space. Rivian calls it a mid-size SUV, but that is straight up bullshit.
- gffrd 8mo agoWait … so you’re saying they want a small car but are in denial?
- qaq 8mo agoit's 1" shorter but it's not teardrop shaped so volume wise should be good
- clipsy 8mo ago> It's deceptively styled to look a big boy car, but it's a matchbox. That's why no reviewers will show themselves or anyone else towering over it. It's for those who want a big car, but without all that space. I miss the days when men looking to compensate would buy sports cars. It wasn't any less ridiculous, but at least they (edit: the cars) were better looking and more fun to drive.
- _carbyau_ 8mo agoI guess it depends on what they were compensating for. Up until the 80's and 90's at least there was more association of racing cars with road cars that you could buy. So that would associate you with the (A man's manly-man maybe?) driver of that car. But now race cars are not really much like a production road car. And those older men with money don't necessarily want to be like the ever younger drivers being employed to win races. As you say, ridiculous, but at least the sports cars were cool.
- DennisP 8mo agoIf only those ridiculous guys who wanted something fun to drive had realized how much more fun they could have by making fun of people and feeling superior.
- hn_acc1 8mo agoHaptic steering wheel thumb-wheels instead of actual buttons? Hell no. Full pass. And we're in the market for a vehicle like this in the next year or so, looking hard at Santa Fe Calligraphy, or Outback XT (similar size, similar price tag, AFAICT). No physical buttons = no sale.
- ebruchez 8mo agoMarques Brownlee seems to like the wheels in his latest video review, FWIW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfReqcUJfBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfReqcUJfBU
- AareyBaba 8mo agoAnd unsafe electronic door handles so your kids an unable to get out of the car in an emergency. https://old.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/1r1etyr/zack_demonstrates_emergency_manual_door_releases/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Rivian/comments/1r1etyr/zack_demons...
- socialcommenter 8mo agoThat video makes it look like a physical button for the rear door manual release (albeit in a very hidden location)?
- shitloadofbooks 8mo agoMy BYD Sealion 7 has been an absolute joy.
- sholladay 8mo agoI think you’re confusing “haptic” for “capacitive”. The wheels are real, physical controls with motors to give tactile feedback about the state of the UI. You can literally feel where the beginning and end of a list are, for example. It’s even better than traditional buttons. The only problem is that there aren’t also physical controls for media and climate, which there should be. But for everything else, the thumb wheels are going to be awesome.
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- iambateman 8mo agoThe R2 was the first time I seriously thought about spending up on a vehicle. It looks good. But $45k++ is just wild to me. It seems like the market is undervaluing used EV’s, so hopefully the depreciation curve will bring these down to $30k in a couple years for us old-school folks who prefer not to have a $1000/mo car loan.
- toomuchtodo 8mo agoAverage price of a new vehicle in the US is $50,000. This is priced appropriately considering total cost of ownership delta against a combustion vehicle. Rivian needs more volume for prices to decline from manufacturing efficiency at scale. https://www.axios.com/2024/12/19/cars-prices-inflation-suvs https://www.axios.com/2024/12/19/cars-prices-inflation-suvs
- Someone1234 8mo agoPeople keep repeating this uncritically. There is a car-debt crisis, and wages haven't kept up with house/car costs. We have one person saying "well in Californian wages..." and another saying essentially that 50K isn't a lot of money when the average SALARY is $66K/year.
- freetime2 8mo agoI also believe this $50,000 stat is the mean car price which is likely to be pushed up by luxury car sales that cost 2-4x what a typical car costs, whereas a median price would give a better indication of what most people are actually spending. I did a quick Google search and wasn't able to find any data on median price, though.
- darth_avocado 8mo ago$50000 stat is the mean transaction price, which includes the dealership stuff that gets added on. While it’s true that it is an average, companies are increasingly not making cheaper models. Sub $30k new cars are almost a myth at this point. You get sedans and hatchback models that start in the high 20s as the base price but we all know you’re not walking out of that dealership with a base model or just paying the advertised rate. SUVs on the other hand, which most people prefer these days are closer to $40k.
- cyberax 8mo agoNo CarPlay,UI with toxic translucent floating buttons, "evolving" steering wheel. Have they learned nothing?
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- joshstrange 8mo agoNo CarPlay, not interested. I wish Rivian would stop trying to emulate Tesla on this front and add support for CarPlay. I don't want your UI. I actually like the look of the Rivian and this is something I'm somewhat in the market for (or will be in the next few years) but I won't touch it without CarPlay.
- hartator 8mo agoYes, copy FSD instead that no CarPlay cult.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago> copy FSD instead They are. It’s also subscription based, however. (For what it’s worth, my friends with Rivian are fine with its phone interface. As are most people who own Tesla’s fine without CarPlay.)
- maxdo 8mo agoWith FSD , that is a very very capable system in 2026, You need real multi media for driving (once it's solved), for camping , movies during charging, and not phone somehow ugly slapped by some plastic holder to your car.
- pyrolistical 8mo agoCarPlay needs to get battery level
- mrpippy 8mo agoCarPlay supports that, the car just needs to pass it through. I believe Ford and Toyota both do.
- tjohns 8mo agoApparently there's a aftermarket device that will add Android Auto / CarPlay support by selectively taking over the infotainment display: https://evplay.io/shop/ev-play-for-rivian https://evplay.io/shop/ev-play-for-rivian (I can't vouch for it, just something I stumbled upon recently.)
- browningstreet 8mo agoHNers so grumpy you’d think this was an AI story submission…
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- nomel 8mo agoI learned very early in my career that being in hardware/software/tech does NOT mean you will be around people that LIKE hardware/software/tech. Then I eventually joined a FAANG, assuming I finally found the nerds! Oof...extreme disappointment.
- ghouse 8mo agoAnyone have insights on V2G or V2H capabilities? If we can have open standards to allow my car to interoperate with my home batteries (Franklin, Enphase, Tesla Powerwall or others), we'll all be better off.
- doctoboggan 8mo agoI saw on one of the review videos that you can get 2400W out of the R2
- Rebelgecko 8mo agoAt 240v? Or thru a regular plug somehow?
- alex43578 8mo agoCharger to load adapter.
- UI_at_80x24 8mo agoI'd rather have a slate.
- dyauspitr 8mo agoThat 300+ miles means nothing without more specs. What’s the size of the battery? The usual 130-140 kWh?
- socialcommenter 8mo agoIn addition, that's presumably not on the base model price point. Will be interesting to find out.
- freetime2 8mo agoLooks like a great car. As Marques Brownlee puts it [1], this is Rivian's "Model Y fighter". And I personally find the R2 to be much more appealing than a Model Y in terms of size, shape, and interior. But we have been misled so many times about EV prices prior to launch, I think it's important to wait until we see what it actually costs for different trim levels before making comparisons to the Model Y. That $45,000 price they are throwing around could very well be for a trim that isn't even available at launch. And anyway if I were going to buy a new compact crossover today, I'd probably lean more toward the RAV4 PHEV. It's an EV most of the time, I can refill it up with gas during long trips, it's got tactile buttons, and it has carplay. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfReqcUJfBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfReqcUJfBU
- Merad 8mo agoThe RAV4 Prime is extremely hard to get if you live outside of SoCal and maybe a few other areas. I'm in the southeast and a few years ago the local dealer told me that this entire region is only allocated a few Prime's each quarter. Even today I've never seen one in the wild.
- seattle_spring 8mo agoNot only that, but it sounds like dealerships are still hardcore ripping off people who want to buy a RAV4 Prime. $20k over MSRP, refusing to sell without add-ons / warranty, etc.
- pants2 8mo agoYep, wanted one but it made zero sense at the prices they wanted. Got a fully electric EV and very happy with the choice. I figure there's a lot more to break on the Prime too.
- pstuart 8mo ago> It's an EV most of the time Nowhere on the Toyota site did I see anything about range on battery only. Still, I wouldn't mind having one. I settled for a refurbed Leaf and have only needed an ICE vehicle twice, because of cargo capacity, not range.
- mrcwinn 8mo agoFormer R1S Gen 2 owner. Love this brand and I want to love the car, but the quality and constant maintenance issues were unacceptable. Rattles, a door mirror motor breaking, doors that wouldn't shut properly, door weather stripping that fell off, a door that just wouldn't open, panel alignment issues, some kind of screaching-to-a-halt-and-terrifying-my-family auto-brake that Rivian never figured out after reviewing log data. Oh and did I mention the fans or heat pump that sound like a ROCKET LAUNCHING?! At a park one time someone asked me if something was wrong with the vehicle. Nope, that's just the terrible fans they chose! Insult to injury: someone rear ended me. Insurance "covered" it, but the local collision center --- my only option within 6 hours --- charges a 2X rate for EVs that State Farm would not cover. So a $14,000 MINOR FENDER DENT turned into $7,000 out of pocket for me. If you look at /r/rivian, it's a near constant stream of issues. While Rivian did expedite service center visits for critical issues, other times repairs were months out. And as the R2 scales, SC growth will probably trail for a while, and so I really fear for the experience early adopters are in for. I am rooting for them but for me personally I would not consider another Rivian.
- KevinMS 8mo agoCar manufacturer websites are one of the worst things on the web.
- socialcommenter 8mo agoWhy do they think we want to look at snail-paced scrolling, stuttery animations?
- wpm 8mo agoI want to throttle whoever decided that scroll driven animations should be added to CSS/browsers. Just a load of gee-whiz bullshit
- kylehotchkiss 8mo agohave you ever visited an auto dealership website? 10x worse.
- CHB0403085482 8mo agoI prefer Lucid Air ~ https://youtu.be/JxuB4H6uCq8 https://youtu.be/JxuB4H6uCq8
- hnburnsy 8mo agoI want Rivian to succeed, more competition is a good thing, but reading about the all the buy backs on r/rivian is disheartening. Tip: do not get Rivian unless a service center is close.
- tempestn 8mo agoI think insiders would tell you off the record not to get an R1, but that the R2s should be much more robust. Of course it's untested at this point, but hopefully that's the case.
- wbsun 8mo agoNo, sorry, I wouldn't buy EVs from any US company any more until they are matura enough that the model production surpasses at least Tesla Model S+X since released. Their reliability just suck. I don't want to waste my life again and again in those months-long waiting of service appointments, annoying issues every where and every day, hiring Lemon law lawyers and other BS. Data points: - one Model X - one R1s - My neighbor: one Model X, one R1t - My collegemate: one Model X
- plugger 8mo agoI feel quite bad for people living in the United States. Despite the constant refrain about freedom y'all are actually pretty hindered when it comes to reasonably priced EVs. On Saturday I put a down on a BYD Shark 6 truck. Hopefully I'll collect it Friday, if not early next week. I'm paying $41,200 USD for the thing brand new. I saw a MotorTrend review of it last week, they flew down to Mexico City to test one out. The entry level pricing there is $50,060 USD. Here in Australia they're called the "Raptor Killer" as they will take Ford Ranger Raptors off the line and cost a bit more than half the price of the Raptor.
- wilg 8mo agoA BYD Shark 6 is not an EV?
- armadsen 8mo agoYeah, I didn’t realize we were calling hybrids “EV”s now. Also, the BYDs I’ve been in were chintzy garbage as far as fit and finish goes. Can’t speak to their reliability, or other aspects of them, though.
- mathisfun123 8mo ago. chintzy garbage This is a slur.
- armadsen 8mo agoNo. https://www.etymonline.com/word/chintzy https://www.etymonline.com/word/chintzy
- plugger 8mo agoIt's a HEV, not a BEV. But it's an EV none the less. It has the ability to drive ~100km on battery only, and the engine doesn't drive the wheels, it's used to recharge the battery.
- Onavo 8mo ago
- dmitrygr 8mo ago"No CarPlay" is approximately where I stopped reading -- and I am literally their dream target audience - enough money to buy a second car, easily able to afford one of theirs, have solar on top of my house making my electricity cheap, like techy things. They will either learn or ... not, I guess. I know I am not the only one. Nobody in my family would buy anything techy without my advice (and a modern EV is basically an iPad on wheels, so it qualifies as techy), and I will never ever give "yes" to a car without CarPlay
- AHASIC 8mo agoyeah, seems extremely weird to not have it, it is a must for newer cars, especially ones that are EVs. I wonder why they don't have it, maybe a beef with the phone makers...
- devmor 8mo agoIt’s really hard to judge the size of the R2. It looks like I’m looking at an updated R1S. Is this thing crossover sized like a Kia Soul or a Rav4? Or is it bigger?
- freetime2 8mo agoR2's dimensions are 185.6" x 75" x 66.9". The 2026 RAV4 is 181" x 73" x 66.5". So the R2 is slightly bigger than a RAV4. The R1S is significantly larger at 200" x 82" x 77.3".
- devmor 8mo agoThanks! Still a bit bigger than what I'm looking for unfortunately, but maybe we will get a more compact offering eventually.
- gorgoiler 8mo agoI bought a new salad spinner recently, after having broken yet another one. I’ve had fancy brands like Zyliss and OXO. I’ve had cheap store brand models and cheaper Amazon MYSSNGVWL type stuff as well. Knowing they would probably break didn’t make it feel better when they eventually broke. Anyway the new salad spinner is large, heavy, with a steel pin into a brass bushing, has a metal handle and nylon gears in a sealed gearbox with exposed stainless screws for servicing. I opened it up and greased it on first use, mostly just to pretend to be servicing it, just to see what that felt like. It felt good! The best part is it came with a catalogue that had order codes for spare parts. They wanted to help you maintain it. It was built to last and the manufacturer was on your side. https://www.dynamicmixers.com/en/our-products/salad-spinner/sealed-manual-salad-spinner-e5sc.html https://www.dynamicmixers.com/en/our-products/salad-spinner/... I’m starting to feel silly writing all this about a salad spinner, but where is my car version of this?
- cschmatzler 8mo agoThis won’t fit the usual hate, but.. https://epc.tesla.com https://epc.tesla.com Vast majority of parts can be ordered directly from the catalogue.
- FranklinJabar 8mo agoHow can you replace the idiotic console and door handles with manageable parts? Is there a sane charging port yet?
- mavhc 8mo agoYou want to add a load of buttons? Should be easy enough, just get them to send codes to the computer via the network. Door handles are harder, what do you want to change? Inner or outer? What's insane about the charging port?
- FranklinJabar 8mo agoGreat, who can I contact to get this done? > What's insane about the charging port? Well it doesn't work with most charging stations. Maybe it's different in the US.
- AbuAssar 8mo agoR1S looks better than R2
- jwr 8mo agoAs a European: nice, but why is it so BIG? How is that monster called "mid-size"? Why would one want to haul so many tons of extra metal around just to transport one's behind?
- clay_the_ripper 8mo agowhen every car around you is even bigger than this, you’ll appreciate not driving a minuscule car in america. it is terrifying
- maigret 8mo agoSorry but 40 tons trucks have been around for decades in Europe and people drove small cars. Its car marketing, group think and FUD.
- bobby322 8mo agoAs a European (dutch), why are our roads so small, that normal sized cars look like "monsters". I have often thought, that Europe will have a problem in the future with roads, as they are just too small, and expanding and making them more safe, is unlikely to ever happen and often times impossible. Not everyone can get by with a small little hatchback, some of us need a big pickup (I own a building company). And for the people that do not need it from a commercial point of view, have you ever considered that people have hobbies and some hobbies needs a fair amount of space in a car? Or families with multiple kids doing sport need the space for all the gear? I am worried that in the future, more and more european cities will just address the problem with a disguised "we are making the cities car free, and thus greener and safer". What that means for the average citizen out there is, that any building related work, will just become more expensive, as people will just charge more to get over the hassle of getting into the cities then.
- sksksk 8mo agoWhat I've observed, is that 90% of journeys people make can be done without a car. Designing a city that helps people make those journeys car free, makes it better for the 10% of journeys that do need to be made with a car.
- Animats 8mo agoDo you really need a 0-60mph time of 3.0 seconds in a mommymobile?
- nomel 8mo agoHow much of that performance comes for free, from optimizing for range/efficiency? What's the obvious "that could be less" in the system that wouldn't negatively impact efficiency?
- actionfromafar 8mo agoNone of it. It the motor is smaller, it pulls less current. If it pull less current, you can use batteries which aren't specced for high amps. If use use less amps, you can use thinner cabling and split the batteries up i various compartments. That means heat is more distributed. Less active cooling, if any, is needed, of both batteries and motors. All of the above can translate to less weight, which mean better range.
- mortos 8mo agoWeight has nearly no effect on range of an EV. The YouTube channel Aging Wheels has two good videos on this. Here he talks about towing, and he demonstrates loading the truck to max capacity makes nearly no difference: https://youtu.be/UmKf8smvGsA https://youtu.be/UmKf8smvGsA He also covered an attempted Cannonball run where they stuffed two extra battery packs into a Rivian R1T: https://youtu.be/yfgkh4Fgw98 https://youtu.be/yfgkh4Fgw98 Real differences makers are smaller wheels and aerodynamics
- nomel 8mo ago> are smaller wheels Looks like rolling resistance decreases with diameter [1]. So, is it from the increased drag from higher stance? Would lowering the car the same work better? [1] https://www.tirereview.com/science-behind-rolling-resistance-passenger-tires/ https://www.tirereview.com/science-behind-rolling-resistance...
- p0w3n3d 8mo agoBoy it's ugly. While being a great fan of electric engines, I always wonder why electric cars by design must be ugly and have bad patterns (like retractable handles and a huge tablet in the middle)
- Markoff 8mo agodeadly door handles, no thanks
- KnuthIsGod 8mo agoBYD's electric SUV is currently available here in Australia for the local equivalent of $40,000. Selling well like all BYD models. Cheaper models like the Atto are the equivalent of $20,000.
- wiseowise 8mo agoDeadly door handles, all around ugly. Why?
- master_crab 8mo agoPut some physical buttons in there and maybe I’ll consider it.
- djoldman 8mo agoGenuine question: why are you interested in buying a brand new car as opposed to a used one given the massive markdown on even 2 year old cars?
- neogodless 8mo agoThis isn't a (totally) bad question, but it suffers from problem common to a lot of internet forum posts and comments. It lumps "people" into one shiny bucket, and then shouts at the bucket. Over 16 million new cars were purchased in 2025 in the United States. Meanwhile, there are about 242 million licensed drivers in that same country. So that's than 7% of drivers buying a new car in a year's time. But what is the point of your question, in response to a new car announcements? That new cars should not exist... ? You do realize how much harder that would eventually make it to buy a used one, right? So yeah, sure. "People" would be well-advised to consider buying a 2-3 year old vehicle that has depreciated. Let someone else carry that depreciation cost. (But "someone" has to.) (My used EV depreciated 57% before I bought it, 2 years old with 20,000 miles on it. It's a great way to go!)
- matty22 8mo agoYeah, but does it have CarPlay yet? It's a complete deal breaker despite Rivian being essentially the only company who offers a BEV pickup truck of a reasonable size.
- JeremyNT 8mo agoStill a massive vehicle! Bulky electric cars make so little sense, because then you need bigger batteries, which... further increase the weight. The upcoming R3/R3x is likely to be a way more practical vehicle for most people, unless you have a large family to haul around. [0] [0] https://www.caranddriver.com/rivian/r3 https://www.caranddriver.com/rivian/r3
- jebarker 8mo agoAIUI this might not be as bigger problem as you’d imagine. Aerodynamics dominate most of the resistance at medium to highway speeds. This was discussed in the recent Rivian R1T cannonball run conversion videos where they doubled the battery capacity (and therefore drastically increased the weight of the vehicle) without substantially affecting efficiency.
- kn0where 8mo agoYes, weight alone is not that important for fuel economy at highway speeds. Aerodynamic efficiency of a vehicle is determined by the cross section area + drag coefficient. A 90s Honda Civic has a worse drag coefficient but a vastly smaller cross section than the Rivian, so it needs to move less air out of the way to drive forward. Smaller EVs can go farther with smaller batteries, but the American consumer has decided for one reason or another that cars must be tall, and therefore less aerodynamically efficient.
- 1970-01-01 8mo agoThis is their "bet the farm" moment that Elon took with the Model 3. If this doesn't become a best seller, stick a fork in them. If it does, the sky is the limit and we're very likely going to see half a million sold. There's not much in-between room for Rivian as they have no solar wildcard and their charging network is another also ran.
- lunias 8mo agoMy friend has the R1S, he likes it a lot, but he's also got a lemon law case open and is hoping that Rivian will have to take the vehicle back. I rode in it and it's nice, but it's way too big for me. The R2 sounds like a step in the right direction, but it still looks too large. I had to shop cars recently and I bought a Golf R. The Golf is "mid-size" to me. I moved across the country in a packed Golf GTI.
- drewbitt 8mo agoThis is a beautiful car.
- yellowapple 8mo agoPage seems awful light on technical specifications. AWD like other Rivians? How many motors? How much horsepower? How big is it? How heavy is it? What trim levels are / will be available? Will there be the same standard v. large v. max battery options? What will be those battery options' ranges?
- kylehotchkiss 8mo agoIf I had an ounce of confidence that Rivian would be around in 15 years, I'd go for a R2. But I don't, sadly. I wish Toyota would buy and fund them.
- insane_dreamer 8mo agoStill waiting for the even smaller, and cheaper, R3.