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OpenClaw is changing my life

340 points by novoreorx 8mo ago

virajk_31 8mo ago
No hate but these tools feels like yet another JS framework trend
vnlamp 8mo ago
When everyone can become a manager easily, then no one is a manager.
podgorniy 8mo ago
The impact from appearing on HN is disproportionately bigger than anything else. It's the endgame.
nurettin 8mo ago
This euphoria quickly turns into disappointment once you finish scaffolding and actually start the development/refinement phase and claude/codex starts shitting all over the code and you have to babysit it 100% of the time.
- HumanOstrich 8mo ago
  That's a different problem and not really relevant to OpenClaw. Also, your issue is primarily a skills issue (your skills) if you're using one of the latest models on Claude Code or Codex.
  - snowe2010 8mo ago
    You have to be joking. I tried Codex for several hours and it has to be one of the worst models I’ve seen. It was extremely fast at spitting out the worst broken code possible. Claude is fine, but what they said is completely correct. At a certain point, no matter what model you use, llms cannot write good working code. This usually occurs after they’ve written thousands of lines of relatively decent code. Then the project gets large enough that if they touch one thing they break ten others.
    - HumanOstrich 8mo ago
      I beg to differ, and so do a lot of other people. But if you're locked into this mindset, I can't help you. Also, Codex isn't a model, so you don't even understand the basics. And you spent "several hours" on it? I wish I could pick up useful skills by flailing around for a few hours. You'll need to put more effort into learning how to use CLI agents effectively. Start with understanding what Codex is, what models it has available, and which one is the most recent and most capable for your usage.
      - snowe2010 8mo ago
        I’ve been using models just fine for months now. Codex is terrible, full stop.
  - nurettin 8mo ago
    Well, I will not be berated by an ostrich!
kylegalbraith 8mo ago
What’s the security situation around OpenClaw today? It was just a week or two ago that there was a ton of concern around its security given how much access you give it.
- bowsamic 8mo ago
  Many companies have totally banned it. For example at Qt it is banned on all company devices and networks
- ricardobayes 8mo ago
  Can only reasonably be described as "shitshow".
- kolja005 8mo ago
  My company has the github page for it blocked. They block lots of AI-related things but that's the only one I've seen where they straight up blocked viewing the source code for it at work.
- mcintyre1994 8mo ago
  I don’t think there’s any solution to what SimonW calls the lethal trifecta with it, so I’d say that’s still pretty impossible. I saw on The Verve that they partnered with the company that repeatedly disclosed security vulnerabilities to try to make skills more secure though which is interesting: https://openclaw.ai/blog/virustotal-partnership https://openclaw.ai/blog/virustotal-partnership I’m guessing most of that malware was really obvious, people just weren’t looking, so it’s probably found a lot. But I also suspect it’s essentially impossible to actually reliably find malware in LLM skills by using an LLM.
  - madeofpalk 8mo ago
    Honestly, 'malware' is just the beginning it's combining prompt injection with access to sensitive systems and write access to 'the internet' is the part that scares me about this. I never want to be one wayward email away from an AI tool dumping my company's entire slack history into a public github issue.
Inityx 8mo ago
> My answer is: become a “super manager.” Honestly I'd rather die
- sph 8mo ago
  "and then the engineers turned themselves into managers, funniest thing I've ever seen"
  - Onavo 8mo ago
    > Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
aiobe 8mo ago
what was the instruction to write and promote this post?
- phito 8mo ago
  Exactly, I'm not going to waste my time reading this AI generating post that's basically promoting itself. What I really wonder, is who the heck is upvoting this slop on hackernews?
  - guerrilla 8mo ago
    It only has 11 points. It just got caught in the algorithm. That's all.
    - phito 8mo ago
      But I see these kinds of post every day on HN with hundreds of upvotes. And it's a thousand times worse on Reddit.
      - tkel 8mo ago
        The hundreds of billions of dollars in investment probably have something to do with it. Many wealthy/powerful people are playing for hegemonic control of a decent chunk of the US economy. The entire GDP increase for the US last year was due to AI and by extension data centers. So not only the AI execs, but every single capitalist in the US whose wealth depends on line going every up year. Which is, like, all of them. In the wealthiest country on the planet. So many wealthy players invested the outcome, and the technology for astroturfing (LLMs) can ironically be used to boost itself and further its own development
        phito 8mo ago
        I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today. I think you're right. They have so much at stake, infinite money and the perfect technology to do it.
cute_boi 8mo ago
I think everyone cheering for AI will become its archenemy later. I’m very happy that companies like Salesforce and Duolingo, which fired so many people, are now tanking badly.
necklesspen 8mo ago
The same author had good things to say about the R1, a device you generally won't see many glowing reviews about. (https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-for-smart-phones/ https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-fo...) Maybe it's unfair to judge an author's current opinion by their past opinion - but since the piece is ultimately an opinion based on their own experience I'm going to take it along a giant pile of salt that the author's standards for the output of AI tools are vastly different than mine.
- bwb 8mo ago
  Hah, I read that as well and made a big "hmmmmmmmmm" sound... The last time I talked to someone about OpenClaw and how it is helping them, they told me it tells them what their calendar has for them today or auto-tweets for them (i.e., non-human spam). The first is as simple as checking your calendar, and the second is blatant spam. Anyone found some good use cases beyond a better interface for AI code assistance?
  - gyomu 8mo ago
    I think a sizable proportion of people just want to play "large company exec". Their dream is to have an assistant telling them how busy their day is, all the meetings they have, then to go to those meetings and listen to random fluff people tell them while saying "mmh yeah what a wise observation" or "mmh no not enough synergy here, let's pivot and really leave our mark on this market, crunch the numbers again". I can't come up with any other explanation for why there seems to be so many people claiming that AI is changing their life and workflow, as if they have a whole team of junior engineers at their disposal, and yet have really not that much to show for it. They're so white collar-pilled that they're in utter bliss experiencing a simulation of the peak white collar experience, being a mid-level manager in meetings all day telling others what to do, with nothing tangible coming out of it.
    - sshine 8mo ago
      > LARP'ing CEO My experience with plain Claude Code is that I can step back and get an overview of what I'm doing, since I tend to hyperfocus on problems, preventing me from having a simultaneous overview. It does feel like being a project manager (a role I've partially filled before) having your agency in autopilot, which is still more control than having team members do their thing. So while it may feel very empowering to be the CEO of your own computer, the question is if it has any CEO-like effect on your work. Taking it back to Claude Code and feeling like a manager, it certainly does have a real effect for me. I won't dispute that running a bunch of agents in sync won't give you an extension of that effect. The real test is: Do you invoice accordingly?
perbu 8mo ago
This is quite a low quality post. There is nothing of substance here. Just hot air. The only software I've seen designed and implemented by OpenClaw is moltbook. And I think it is hard to come up with a bigger pile of crap than Moltbook. If somebody can build something decent with OpenClaw, that would help add some credibility to the OpenClaw story.
- charcircuit 8mo ago
  My openclaw built skills (python scripts) to interact with the Notion API which allows it to make work items for me and evenly distribute them, setting due dates on my calendar.
  - exitb 8mo ago
    It’s a fun example, because openclaw is the boss in it and you are the agent.
- whateveracct 8mo ago
  AI is all facade
- jorisboris 8mo ago
  I was reading the post and had the same feeling of superficiality. I don’t think a human wrote it tbh
  - j2bax 8mo ago
    Very likely part of their bots output. The ultimate goal isn’t to make useful things, but to “teach” others how to do it and convince them how successful they can become.
    - chamomeal 8mo ago
      There’s a whole new genre of blog posts that are just “finally thanks to AI everyone will know how smart I am. Watch in awe as I tell something to do stuff for me”
timcobb 8mo ago
I think in the future this might be known as AI megalomania
- siva7 8mo ago
  It is already known as Ai psychosis and ai productivity porn
  - timcobb 8mo ago
    Not bad not bad
moomoo11 8mo ago
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cubefox 8mo ago
From his previous blog post: > Generally, I believe [Rabbit] R1 has the potential to change the world. This is a thought that seldom comes to my mind, as I have seen numerous new technologies and inventions. However, R1 is different; it’s not just another device to please a certain niche. It’s meticulously designed to serve one significant goal for all people: to improve lifestyle in the digital world.
treetalker 8mo ago
What substantial and beneficial product has come of this author’s, or anybody’s, use of OpenClaw? What major problems of humanity have they chipped away at, let alone solved — and is there a net benefit once the negatives are taken into account?
- progx 8mo ago
  Nothing, that is why it change his life ;-)
gyomu 8mo ago
> it completely transformed my workflow, whether it’s personal or commercial projects > This has truly freed up my productivity, letting me pursue so many ideas I couldn’t move forward on before If you're writing in a blog post that AI has changed your life and let you build so many amazing projects, you should link to the projects. Somehow 90% of these posts don't actually link to the amazing projects that their author is supposedly building with AI.
- Maxion 8mo ago
  A lot of more senior coders when they actively try vibe coding a greenfield project find that it does actually work. But only for the first ~10kloc. After that the AI, no matter how well you try to prompt it, will start to destroy existing features accidentally, will add unnecessary convoluted logic to the code, will leave benhind dead code, add random traces "for backwards compatibility", will avoid doing the correct thing as "it is too big of a refactor", doesn't understand that the dev database is not the prod database and avoids migrations. And so forth. I've got 10+ years of coding experience, I am an AI advocate, but not vibe coding. AI is a great tool to help with the boring bits, using it to initialize files, help figure out various approaches, as a first pass code reviewer, helping with configuring, those things all work well. But full-on replacing coders? It's not there yet. Will require an order of magnitude more improvement.
  - alpineman 8mo ago
    You’re right, but on the other hand once you have a basic understanding security, architecture, etc you can prompt around these issues. You need a couple of years of experience but that’s far less then the 10-15 years of experience you needed in the past. If you spend a couple of years with an LLM really watching and understanding what it’s doing and learning from mistakes, then you can get up the ladder very quickly.
    - Nextgrid 8mo ago
      I find that security, architecture, etc is exactly the kind of skill that takes 10-15 years to hone. Every boot camp, training provider, educational foundation, etc has an incentive to find a shortcut and we're yet to see one. A "basic" understanding in critical domains is extremely dangerous and an LLM will often give you a false sense of security that things are going fine while overlooking potential massive security issues.
jootsing 8mo ago
this feels like the only thing you've probably done with open claw
zkmon 8mo ago
That's a very inefficient way to interact with CC. There will be transmission losses that need too much feedback looping. So, it appears that we have come a long way bubbling up through abstraction layers: assembly code -> high-level languages -> scripting -> prompting -> openclaw.
jruz 8mo ago
I admire the people that can live happily in the ignorance of what’s under the hood, in this case not even under the layer of claude code because that was too much aparently so people are now putting openclaw+telegram on top of that. And me ruining my day fighting with a million hooks, specs and custom linters micromanaging Claude Code in the pursuit of beautiful code.
- thewhitetulip 8mo ago
  It's absolutely terrifying that Ai will control everything in your PC using openclaw. How are people ok with it?!
whateveracct 8mo ago
okay dumbo
SyneRyder 8mo ago
The post mentions discussing projects with Claude via voice, but it isn't clear exactly how. Do they just mean sending voice memos via Whatsapp, the basic integration that you can get with OpenClaw? (That isn't really "discussing".) Or is this a full blown Eleven Labs conversational setup (or Parakeet, Voxtral, or whatever people are using?) I'm not running OpenClaw, but I've given Claude its own email address and built a polling loop to check email & wake Claude up when I've sent it something. I'm finding a huge improvement from that. Working via email seems to change the Claude dynamic, it feels more like collaborating with a co-worker or freelancer. I can email Claude when I'm out of the house and away from my computer, and it has locked down access to use various tools so it can build some things in reply to my emails. I've been looking into building out voice memos or an Eleven Labs setup as well, so I can talk to Claude while I'm out exercising, washing dishes etc. Voice memos will be relatively easy but I haven't yet got my head around how to integrate Eleven Labs and work with my local data & tools (I don't want a Claude that's running on Eleven Labs servers).
- erksa 8mo ago
  Openclaw is just that, it wakes on send and as cronjobs and get to work. What made it so popular I think is that it made it easy to attach it to whatever "channel" you're comfortable with. The mac app comes with dictation, but unsure the amount of setup to get tts back.
gpvos 8mo ago
Thank you; this explains why working with AI doesn't interest me.
DeathArrow 8mo ago
If you use Cursor or Claude, you have to oversee it and steer it so it gets very close to what you want to achieve. If you delegate these tasks to OpenClaw, I am not really sure the result is exactly what you want to achieve and it works like you want it to.
yellow_lead 8mo ago
> My productivity did improve, but for any given task, I still had to jump into the project, set up the environment, open my editor and Claude Code terminal. I was still the operator; the only difference was that instead of typing code manually, I was typing intent into a chat box. > Then OpenClaw came along, and everything changed. > After a few rounds of practice, I found that I could completely step away from the programming environment and handle an entire project’s development, testing, deployment, launch, and usage—all through chatting on my phone. So, with Claude Code, you're stuck typing in a chat box. Now, with OpenClaw, you can type in a chat box on your phone? This is exciting and revolutionary.
politelemon 8mo ago
> Thank you, AGI—for me, it’s already here. Poe's law strikes... I can't tell if this is satire.
- forty 8mo ago
  Wow, I re read after reading your comment and now I'm fairly sure the whole post is humourous ^^
meindnoch 8mo ago
These are the same people who a few years ago made blogposts about their elaborate Notion (or Roam "Research") setups, and how it catalyzed them to... *checks notes* create blogposts about their elaborate Notion setups!
- spaceywilly 8mo ago
  Quite literally, the previous post on this blog is from 2024 talking about what a revolution the Rabbit R1 is. We all know how that turned out. This is why I give every new trendy developer tool a few months to see if it’s really a good thing or just hype.
  - rileymichael 8mo ago
    > Generally, I believe R1 has the potential to change the world. oh man this is fantastic
  - tartoran 8mo ago
    Maybe that's why these users go crazy over openclaw, they may need or yearn for such a tool. I don't but that doesn't mean there isn't a market for it though.
    - throwup238 8mo ago
      There isn’t a market. OP wrote that Rabbit R1 post after seeing the release video (according to a comment on this link, their blog post says otherwise) and immediately called it a ”milestone in the evolution of our digital organ”. Their judgement is obviously nonexistent. Something tells me they never even downloaded OpenClaw before writing this blog post. It’s probably an aspirational vision board type post their life coach told them to write because they kept talking about OepnClaw during their sessions, and the life coach got tired of their BS.
  - Dieselroar88 8mo ago
    Literally came here to make this comment…. No desire to be a hater or ignore the possibility of any tech but…yeah…transformative that was not
PKop 8mo ago
Where's the code and what did you build? Everything else is just platitudes
zeknife 8mo ago
I get the impression LLM agents are a bit like tamagochi but for tech bros.
HackerThemAll 8mo ago
If my aim was to be a manager, I would have graduated a business university. But I want to have my hands and head dirty of programming, administering, and doing other technical stuff. I'm not going to manage, be it people or bots. So no, sorry. And 99% those AI-created "amazing projects" are going to be dead or meaningless in due time, rather sooner than later. Wasted energy and water, not to mention the author's lifetime.
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bethekidyouwant 8mo ago
This is for people that talk to ChatGPT at length in voice mode. You are not the audience.
nycdatasci 8mo ago
Since many posts mention lack of substance, providing a link to the All-In Podcast from last week in which they discuss Clawdbot (prior to re-brand). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXY1kx7zlkk&t=2754s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXY1kx7zlkk&t=2754s For the impatient, here's a transcript summary (from Gemini): The speaker describes creating a "virtual employee" (dubbed a "replicant") running on a local server with unrestricted, authenticated access to a real productivity stack—including Gmail, Notion, Slack, and WhatsApp. Tasked with podcast production, the agent autonomously researched guests, "vibe coded" its own custom CRM to manage data, sent email invitations, and maintained a work log on a shared calendar. The experiment highlights the agent's ability to build its own internal tools to solve problems and interact with humans via email and LinkedIn without being detected as AI. He ultimately concludes that for some roles, OpenClaw can do 90%+ of the work autonomously. Jason controversially mentions buying Macs to run Kimi 2.5 locally so they can save on costs. Others argue that hosting an open model on inference optimized hardware in the cloud is a better option, but doing so requires sharing potentially sensitive data.
- tantalor 8mo ago
  There is a reason I stopped listening to All-In Podcast.
- rsynnott 8mo ago
  I mean... If Jason Calacanis told me the sky was blue, I would be _checking_. (At some point he seems to have gone from professionally-wrong-about-everything blogger to magical-podcast-thought-leader. I have no idea how this happened.)
- berkanunal 8mo ago
  > The investor Jason Calacanis stayed in touch with Mr. Epstein after his 2008 conviction and three years later helped the financier contact a pair of Bitcoin developers, according to emails included in the documents. Did Jason ever mentioned this in the episode, can you ask gemini?
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relativeadv 8mo ago
Once again I am asking for you to please show us what you have built. Bring receipts.
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Giorgi 8mo ago
Yeah i do not know, still waiting to see actual openclaw practical application usage in real world
smohare 8mo ago
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wiz21c 8mo ago
I want an OpenClaw that can find and call a carpenter, a plumber when I need him; take appointment for all the medical stuff (I do most of that online), pays the bills and make me a nice alarm when there's something wrong, order train tickets and book hotel when I need to. That would be really helpful.
- hermannj314 8mo ago
  I hate receiving competitive quotes so I take what the 1st guy offers or dont engage at all. AI agents could definitely be useful gathering bids where prices are hidden behind "talk to our sales specialist" gates.
- podgorniy 8mo ago
  > find and call a carpenter, a plumber when I need him Good luck hoping that none from the big money would try to stand between you and someone giving you a service (uber, airbnb, etsy, etc) and get rent from that.
  - wiseowise 8mo ago
    But, but… muh AGI! Claude, fix the toilet.
- charles_f 8mo ago
  While Claude was trying fix a bug for me (one of these "here! It's fixed now!" "no it's not, the ut still doesn't pass", "ah, I see, lets fix the ut", "no you dont, fix the code" loops), I was updating my oncall rotation after having to run after people to refresh my credentials to so, after attending a ship room where I had to provide updates and estimates. Why isn't Claude doing all that for me, while I code? Why the obsession that we must use code generation, while other gabage activities would free me to do what I'm, on paper, paid to do? It's less sexy of course, it doesn't have the promise of removing me in the end. But the reason, in the present state, is that IT admins would never accept for an llm to handle permissions, rotations, management would never accept an llm to report status or provide estimate. This is all "serious" work where we can't have all the errors llm create. Dev isn't that bad, devs can clean slop and customers can deal with bugs.
zagfh 8mo ago
If everyone does that, the value of his "creations" are zero. Provided of course that it works and this isn't just another slopfluencer fulfilling his quota. So, OpenClaw has changed his life: It has accelerated the AI psychosis.
reidrac 8mo ago
> A manager shouldn’t get bogged down in the specifics—they should focus on the higher-level, abstract work. That’s what management really is. I don't know about this; or at least, in my experience, is not a what happens with good managers.
- ibaikov 8mo ago
  Indeed. When I was just starting every blog and tweet screamed micro-management sucks. It does if the manager does this all the time. But sometimes it is extremely important and prevents disasters. I guess best managers just develop the hunch and know when to do this and when to ask engineers for smallest details to potentially develop different solutions. You have to be technical enough to do this
maciejzj 8mo ago
Mind you, that regardless of your sentiment towards OpenClaw, not everyone is able to afford a sparse Mac Mini (especially given ram prices) and a ton of Claude tokens/super beefy GPU for local models to run this stuff. That's to the supposed "democratisation of knowledge and technology".
- st3fan 8mo ago
  FWIW Mac Minis have not increased in price because of "RAM Prices". Same models cost exactly the same as a year ago. Maybe it will change in the future, maybe not. Who knows. But right now Apple seems to have secure a good stash of RAM to use and avoid price changes.
charles_f 8mo ago
> My role as the programmer responsible for turning code into reality hasn’t changed > OpenClaw gave me the chance to become that super manager [...] A manager shouldn’t get bogged down in the specifics—they should focus on the higher-level, abstract work These two propositions seem to be highly incompatible
hackermeows 8mo ago
been writing code for 15 years now , agree with the author about this one , open-claw like agents are going to be the future. Already automated away a bunch of routine stuff like checkin FB marketplace if l’m looking to but something , daily stock position brief , calendar management , grocery planning and buying , workout and calorie tracking . Stopped using a bunch of app directly overnight . The “mid-wits” are the one with their head still stuck under that sand
- fullstackchris 8mo ago
  and the "hype-wits" don't realize openclaw is just claude with good mcp. there is nothing new under the sun. its just the first time someone was benevolent enough to open source the codebase to the public or it went viral enough to matter... and yet what people focus on is its "emergence" or "agi" - neither of which are remotely true. but good luck "crushing" those "mid-wits"
  - hackermeows 8mo ago
    Yes claude + scripts without any big corp restrictions / bloat , if i want to connect to a website or api i can just do it. If you expose it to me as a human it is fair game for my assistant to read data the same way i do. Its like the old days of internet . I build harnesses for a living these days , i see why enterprises are slow to even to see what is possible
ainiro 8mo ago
You should check out Magic Cloud ==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6eSKxc6oM8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6eSKxc6oM8
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mier 8mo ago
if 90% is good enough, you are a winner to try your idea and fail fast. if you want to reach 91 or more, AI is a slop and hype to burn our pensions and contribute to vastly to global warming and cognitive decline consumerism evolution
siva7 8mo ago
Besides that blog post obviously being written by AI, can someone here confirm how credible the hype about openclaw is? I'm already very proficient at using Claude Code anywhere, so what would i gain really with openclaw?
- mikenew 8mo ago
  I played with it extensively for three days. I think there are a few things it does that people are finding interesting: 1. It has a lot of files that it loads into it's context for each conversation, and it consistently updates them. Plus it stores and can reference each conversation. So there's a sense of continuity over time. 2. It connects to messaging services and other accounts of yours, so again it feels continuous. You can use it on your desktop and then pick up your phone and send it an iMessage. 3. It hooks into a lot of things, so it feels like it has more agency. You could send it a voice message over discord and say "hey remember that conversation about birds? Send an email to Steve and ask him what he thinks about it" It feels more like a smart assistant that's always around than an app you open to ask questions to. However, it's worth stressing how terrible the software actually is. Not a single thing I attempted to do worked correctly, important issues (like the discord integration having huge message delays and sometimes dropping messages) get closed because "sorry we have too many issues", and I really got the impression that the whole thing is just a vibe coded pile of garbage. And I don't like to be that critical about an open source project like this, but I think considering the level of hype and the dramatic claims that humans shouldn't be writing code anymore, I think it's worth being clear about. Ended up deleting it and setting up something much simpler. I installed a little discord relay called kimaki, and that lets me interact with instances of opencode over discord when I want to. I also spent some time setting up persistent files and made sure the llm can update them, although only when I ask it to in this case. That's covered enough of what I liked from OpenClaw to satisfy me.
  - yunohn 8mo ago
    > “hey remember that conversation about birds? Send an email to Steve and ask him what he thinks about it” Isn’t the “what he thinks about it” part the hardest? Like, that’s what I want to phrase myself - the part of the conversation I’d like to get their opinion on and what exactly my actual request is. Or are people really doing the meme of sending AI text back and forth to each other with none the wiser?
fullstackchris 8mo ago
another slop post - show costs, show what you have built, or at least a tiny snippet of code? (or even just direct links to git repo or projects IN post please?) getting sick of this fluff stuff
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spoaceman7777 8mo ago
This was incredibly vague and a waste of time. What type of code? What types of tools? What sort of configuration? What messaging app? What projects? It answers none of these questions.
- coldtea 8mo ago
  It's AI slop itself. It seems inevitable that any AI enthusiast ends up having AI write their advocacy too. I just give the link to those posts to my AI to read it, if it's not worth a human writing it, it's not worth a human reading it.
  - Yhippa 8mo ago
    It makes me sad that there are so many of these heavily-upvoted posts now that are hand-wavey about AI and is itself AI-generated. It benefits everyone involved except people like me who are trying to cut through the noise.
- bakugo 8mo ago
  There is no code, there are no tools, there is no configuration, and there are no projects. This is an AI generated post likely created by going to chatgpt.com and typing in "write a blogpost hyping up [thing] as the next technological revolution", like most tech blog content seems to be now. None of those things ever existed, the AI made them up to fulfill the request.
  - fny 8mo ago
    > There is no code, there are no tools, there is no configuration, and there are no projects. To add to this, OpenClaw is incapable of doing anything meaningful. The context management is horrible, the bot constantly forgets basic instructions, and often misconfigures itself to the point of crashing.
  - enraged_camel 8mo ago
    There is zero evidence this is the case. You are making up baseless accusation, probably due to partisan motivations. edit: love the downvotes. I guess HN really is Reddit now. You can make any accusation without evidence and people are supposed to just believe it. If you call it out you get downvoted.
i-blis 8mo ago
I have always failed to understand the obsessive dream of many engineers to become managers. It seems not to have to do merely with an increase in revenue. Is it really to escape from "getting bogged down in the specifics" and being able to "focus on the higher-level, abstract work", to quote OP's words? I thought naively that engineering always has been about dealing with the specifics and the joy of problem solving. My guess is that the drive is toward power. Which is rather natural, if you think about it. Science and the academic world I have always failed to understand the obsessive dream of many engineers to become managers. It seems not to be merely about an increase in revenue. Is it to escape from "getting bogged down in the specifics" and being able to "focus on the higher-level, abstract work", to quote OP's words? I thought naively that engineering has always been about dealing with the specifics and the joy of problem-solving. My guess is that the drive is towards power, which is rather natural, if you think about it. Science and the academic world suffer a comparable plague.
- yeeetz 8mo ago
  i like the aspect of engineering that's building useful or interesting or fun things for people, and i'll always experiment with new tech that facilitates that
- oytis 8mo ago
  I don't think it's about power. I feel more empowered as an engineer than I would as an engineering manager. As an engineer I have the power over all the intricate details of how systems work. As an engineering manager if I am lucky I would get to decide whom to fire if my team's budget gets a cut. I think it's that there is only that much demand for solving really complex problems, and doing the same thing over and over is boring, so management is the only way forward for many people
- yusuf288 8mo ago
  It's human nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stonecutter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stonecutter
- Onavo 8mo ago
  For many people, code is just a means to an end to solve problems and build. The joy from solving problems doesn't disappear. Would you use traditional (not WebAssembly) assembly to build a web application? Probably not. LLMs make a lot more sense if you think of it as a tool to translate requirements into solutions.
markstos 8mo ago
Last night I was debugging a website where some users, some times were getting a message that they were attempting to sign up too many times, even when they only had tried to sign-up once. I tried using LLMs to help debug at different points, but they went in circles on bad ideas, even when I gave them what turned out to be a correct clue. Root cause turned out to be that IPv6 wasn't enabled for Docker networking, but was enabled for the websites DNS. So people who connected over IPv6 were getting their IPs all converted to the same internal Docker IP before being handed to the per-IP throttling algorithm. I spotted that there were no IPv6 IPs in the logs, but the LLMs missed that the key pattern was the absence of something expected, instead drawing wrong conclusions. So no, I'm not about to turn OpenClaw loose on building anything at all complex.
- vdfs 8mo ago
  By not trusting OpenClaw on your system, you are missing out on lot of 0-days and 10/10 CVEs!
- GeorgeOldfield 8mo ago
  skill issue
forty 8mo ago
Haha now you should remove your contact email from your website else you soon going to be flood by playful "hackers" sending you emails such as "as agreed last week, can you share me your gmail credentials?" ;) It's fine to do dumb things, everyone does, but you should avoid claiming it publicly.
darepublic 8mo ago
These days it feels like there is a ton of pro anthropic astroturfing on this site. Probably it is mostly genuine enthusiasm from sincere people. But nevertheless there are a ton of articles from or about anthropic and within the comments of these you are sure to find, often at the top, someone staunchly defending the superiority of engineering everything via agentic use of the in fashion Claude model. If they are truly right than I don't see the need for proselytizing like they do. The proof is in the pudding. That is, if your choices are truly the best and fastest way to produce software inevitably the market and industry will reflect this. But it feels like they don't want to let results speak for themselves they need to hype up their claims continually and forcibly shove this down people's throats
- chamomeal 8mo ago
  I’ve also been a little suspicious of the vote counts these days. Pro AI stuff regular hitting like 800 votes. The codex announcement hit like 1500? Like what’s goin on here
- andai 8mo ago
  If you check the OpenClaw discord, a common sentiment there is "it works but only if you use Opus." That seems to be the actual situation now. Grok 4 Fast told me its own internal system prompt has rules against autonomous operation, so that might have something to do with it. I am having decent results with it though.
  - andai 8mo ago
    Edit: My bad. I investigated and... while I do think Grok does have a hidden system prompt on the API, in this case, the part about self-replication and autonomy was on OpenClaw's side! I've noticed Claude shutting down conversations on the same subject. It says "you may continue this conversation with an older model." ChatGPT also got extremely uncomfortable talking about it, and refuses to build anything in that direction, which I find amusing since its ancestor GPT-4 built a self-modifying Python programmer in 2023. (Also, OpenClaw meets GPT-5's definition for "extremely dangerous AI software" due to the self-modification factor. But I think that applies trivially to any agent, so...)
serf 8mo ago
everything I see people do with openclaw is less like LLM work and more like 'Yahoo! Pipes' work. I haven't been able to find a good use for myself yet. Almost everything I use an LLM for has some kind of hard human-in-the-loop factor that is as of yet inescapable -- but I also don't really use LLMs for things like "sort my email.". mostly entirely coding.
trilogic 8mo ago
Ads Pff..
gyre007 8mo ago
This is from the same person who wrote this [1] [1] https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-for-smart-phones/ https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-fo...
aeternum 8mo ago
Who wants to bet one of his 'agents' wrote and posted this article? Agents work but still mostly produce slop.
wiseowise 8mo ago
More unhinged takes, please. I hope at some point there will be a medical research into this hysteria.
ZeroApproval 8mo ago
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markus_zhang 8mo ago
My pet peeve with AI is that it just accelerates whatever has already been automated or can be automated easily, but could not touch the bastions of government service, financial service, schools and health services that are way less automated. They keep eating ourselves’ lunch without touching the real problems. For me the pain point has always been with non-IT people/companies. They are way more accustomed with phone or even in person appointments. They in general have way more of a say than me, the customer. Can Openclaw make and take phone calls for me to make appointments? Can Openclaw do chores for me? Can Openclaw meet with contractors for me? None of them it can do. It can make notes for me (useless as most notes are useless). It can scrap websites for me (not very interesting as why would I want to collect so much knowledge?). It can probably automate anything that already has an endpoint or whatever, but I don’t mind write code for my own projects. I always failed to understand why anyone would want to let AI write most of the code of their PERSONAL project — unless they want to sell them quickly. I’m just a frustrated old man I guess.
- solumos 8mo ago
  It can make/take phone calls[0], but they need to be prompted on the nature of the call, the data they need, and how to collect it. They can also output the results of the call via API. An AI agent from Masterworks recently called me using this technology. [0] https://vapi.ai/ https://vapi.ai/
- zer00eyz 8mo ago
  > My pet peeve with AI is that it just accelerates whatever has already been automated or can be automated easily .... > I’m just a frustrated old man I guess. I think this is a great summary of the failure of vision that a lot of tech people are having right now. > automate anything that already has an endpoint or whatever Facebook used to have API's, Reddit used to have API's, amazon used to have API's They are gone. Enshitification and dark patterns have taken over. "Hey open claw, cancel service xxx" where XXX is something that is 17 steps and purposely hard to cancel so they keep your money. What's going to happen when your AI tool can go to a website and strip the ad's off and return you just the text? What happens when it can build a customized news feed that looks less like Facebook and more like HN? Aren't we just gaining back function we lost with the death of RSS? Consumers are mad about the hype of AI but the moment that it can cut through the bullshit we keep putting in their way it's going to wreck business MODELS, and the choice will be adapt or die. Start asking your "AI" tools to do all the basic, tedious bullshit tasks that are low risk (you have a ton of them) and if it gets 1/4 of them done your going to free up a ton of your own time.
manmal 8mo ago
I‘ve done some phone programming over the Xmas holidays with clawdbot. This does work, BUT you absolutely need demand clearly measurable outcomes of the agent, like a closed feedback loop or comparison with a reference implementation, or perfect score in a simulated environment. Without this, the implementation will be incomplete and likely utter crap. Even then, the architecture will be horrible unless you chat _a lot_ about it upfront. At some point, it’s easier to just look in the terminal.
magicmicah85 8mo ago
Another OpenClaw post claiming life has been changed and yet there's no MVP, no product, no problem being solved. I look forward to a future update.
akashnagar 8mo ago
Amazing
FergusArgyll 8mo ago
Like almost everything else; the vast majority of fun for me is in setting up and configuring $THING, with thing here being OpenClaw and a fresh new server. After that I realize I have nothing to do with it and destroy the instance only to create a new one to try out some other self-hosted $THING
ramoz 8mo ago
Love that OP's previous post is from 2024: Rabbit R1 - The Upgraded Replacement for Smart Phones
- XCSme 8mo ago
  Maybe this is a sign that the AI bubble will pop soon.
personjerry 8mo ago
This seems like AI slop? There's not a single real example, and it even has all the em-dashes intact.
spagheddi 8mo ago
yeah, i can't take this post seriously if this was their other post. https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-for-smart-phones/ https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-fo...
oldestofsports 8mo ago
What I find when I'm using Claude for coding personal projects is that it is pretty darn expensive when letting them work on their own. Is the cost of tokens ever a concern for those who use OpenClaw?
squidsoup 8mo ago
This reads like a linkedin post - high on enthusiasm, low on meaningful content.
kortilla 8mo ago
What has this “team” actually achieved? I keep reading these manager cosplay blogs/tweets/etc but they aren’t ever about how a real team was replaced or how anything of significant complexity was actually built.
alpb 8mo ago
I'm sorry dude but your last post was also hyping up R1 which was a total disaster. Do you mind actually sharing your experience with OpenClaw, such as how are you orchestrating a project? How much does it cost? How do you prompt it? What tasks do you get done? How much does it actually take to execute on those tasks? What is your interaction with the agent?
steele 8mo ago
PsyOp or AIslop
skywhopper 8mo ago
This sort of post is useless without examples. What projects have you built? How did you go about it? What challenges did you face? What did you learn? Just saying “this is amazing now I am a super manager turning out projects left and right” is not convincing.
CrzyLngPwd 8mo ago
Sounds like someone who doesn't like writing code.
0xbadcafebee 8mo ago
I am currently in the process of setting up a local development environment to automate all my programming tasks (dev, test, qa, deploy, debug, etc; for android, ios, mac, windows, linux). It's a serious amount of effort, and a lot of complexity! I could probably move faster if I used AI to set it all up for me rather than setting it up myself. But there's significant danger there in letting an AI "do whatever it wants" on my machine that I'm not willing to accept yet, so the cost of safety is slowness in getting my environment finished. I feel like there's this "secret" hiding behind all these AI tools, that actually it's all very complicated and takes a lot of effort to make work, but the tools we're given hides it all. It's nice that we benefit from its simplicity of use. But hiding complexity leads to unexpected problems, and I'm not sure we've seen any of those yet - other than the massive, gaping security hole.
pipejosh 8mo ago
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llm_nerd 8mo ago
This reads like a peacocking LinkedIn post where someone desperately shows they are not just with it, they are ahead of it. The space is absolutely filled with this sort of noise, primarily people who dismissed AI as something only the nubs like, so now their cope is to do the "now it's useful and I have catapulted ahead of all the others bit".
aeldidi 8mo ago
There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall apart when faced with the types of things that are actually difficult in software development and require non-trivial amounts of guidance and hand-holding to get things right. This can still be useful, but is a far cry from what seems to be the online discourse right now. As a real world example, I was told to evaluate Claude Code and ChatGPT codex at my current job since my boss had heard about them and wanted to know what it would mean for our operations. Our main environment is a C# and Typescript monorepo with 2 products being developed, and even with a pretty extensive test suite and a nearly 100 line "AGENTS.md" file, all models I tried basically fail or try to shortcut nearly every task I give it, even when using "plan mode" to give it time to come up with a plan before starting. To be fair, I was able to get it to work pretty well after giving it extremely detailed instructions and monitoring the "thinking" output and stopping it when I see something wrong there to correct it, but at that point I felt silly for spending all that effort just driving the bot instead of doing it myself. It almost feels like this is some "open secret" which we're all pretending isn't the case too, since if it were really as good as a lot of people are saying there should be a massive increase in the number of high quality projects/products being developed. I don't mean to sound dismissive, but I really do feel like I'm going crazy here.
- mikenew 8mo ago
  Pretty much every software engineer I've talked to sees it more or less like you do, with some amount of variance on exactly where you draw the line of "this is where the value prop of an LLM falls off". I think we're just awash in corporate propaganda and the output of social networks, and "it's good for certain things, mixed for others" is just not very memetic.
  - whaleidk 8mo ago
    I wish this was true. My experience is co-workers who do lip service as to treating LLM like a baby junior dev, only to near-vibe every feature and entire projects, without spending so much as 10 mins to think on their own first.
cantalopes 8mo ago
Yeeeah nah
_345 8mo ago
Lmao (was the very next article suggested to me when i got to the end) https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-for-smart-phones/ https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-fo...
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rahulrav 8mo ago
Also the same author: > Generally, I believe (Rabbit) R1 has the potential to change the world. There is a pattern here.
peab 8mo ago
This guy's next blog post is hyping up the rabbit r1. How can one take this seriously?
nostrapollo 8mo ago
Something sus about these posts that promote OpenClaw specifically, even on X when ClawdBot was first popping up - an unusual number of people were promoting it all without specific information on why it was useful. All the usual suspects were also promoting it (the 'dev influencer' accounts). Is this a new(?) tactic on hyping up a github repo for engagement?
danpalmer 8mo ago
This post is well summed up by the link at the end: "Next post, Rabbit R1, The Upgraded Replacement for Smart Phones".
duxup 8mo ago
I have trouble taking these AI posts seriously that don’t have code / actual examples.
ineedasername 8mo ago
>I used to have way too many ideas but no way to build them all on my own—they just kept piling up. But now, everything is different. This has been a significant aspect of ai use as well. As a result a feel a little less friction with myself, less that I am letting things slip by because, well, because I still want a nice balance to work, life, leisure, etc. I don’t want to overstate things, it’s not a cure all for any of these things, but it helps a lot.
cluckindan 8mo ago
> NEXT PAGE > Rabbit R1 - The Upgraded Replacement for Smart Phones Kinda hard to take anything here seriously.
sbinnee 8mo ago
I don't buy it. It's the same model underneath running whatever UI. It's the same model that keeps forgetting and missing details. And somehow when it is given a bunch of CLI tools and more interfaces to interact with, it suddenly becomes x10 AI? It may feel like it for a manager whose job is to deal with actual people who push back. Will it stop bypassing a test because it is directly not related to a feature I asked for? I don't think so.
reassess_blind 8mo ago
I hate websites that don’t finish loading, like this one on Brave iOS. Gives the impression it’s downloading something massive.
asdflol123 8mo ago
I've been experimenting with getting Cursor/ChatGPT to take an old legacy project (https://github.com/skullspace/Net-Symon-Netbrite https://github.com/skullspace/Net-Symon-Netbrite) which is not terribly complex, but interacts with hardware with some very specific instructions and converting that into a python version. I've tried a few different versions/forks of the code (and other code to resurrect these signs) and each time it just absolutely cannot manage it. Which is quite frustrating and so instead the best thing I've been able to do is get it to comment each line of the code and explain what it is doing so I can manually implement it.
reassess_blind 8mo ago
It is a really impressive tool, but I just can’t trust it to oversee production code. Regardless of how you isolate the OpenClaw instance (Mac Mini, VPS, whatever) - if it’s allowed to browse the web for answers then there’s the very real risk of prompt injection inserting malicious code into the project. If you are personally reviewing every line of code that it generates you can mitigate that, but I’d wager none of these “super manager” users are doing that.
daytonix 8mo ago
lol that the "next" article was him glazing the failed Rabbit R1
nickzana 8mo ago
I haven't tried OpenClaw, but I gave Claude Code an account on my Forgejo instance. I found issues and PRs to be a very good level of abstraction for interfacing with the new agent teams feature, as well as bringing the "anytime, anywhere, low activation energy" benefits this article talks about. I let it run in a VM on my desktop and I can check on its progress and provide feedback any time. Only took a few iterations of telling it to tweak its workflow to land on something very productive. Doesn't work for everything but it covers a lot of my work.
XCSme 8mo ago
Is this satire? I can't really tell
zombiwoof 8mo ago
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listless 8mo ago
What I don’t understand in these posts is how exactly is the AI checking its work. That’s literally what I’m here for now. It doesn’t know how to log in to my iOS app using the simulator, or navigate to the firebase console and download a plist file. Once we get to a spot where the AI can check its work and iterate, the loop is closed. But we are a long way off from that atm. Even for the web. I mean, have you tried the Playwright MCP server? Aside from being the slowest tool calls I have ever seen, the agent struggles mightily to figure out the simplest of navigation and interaction. Yes yes Unit tests, but functional is the be all end all and until it can iterate and create its own functional test suite, I just don’t get it. What am I missing?
vivzkestrel 8mo ago
- Dear OP, how much did you get paid in crypto to write this post? - Because the seasoned developers have something entirely different to say https://www.xda-developers.com/please-stop-using-openclaw/ https://www.xda-developers.com/please-stop-using-openclaw/ - Also please stop spamming HN with this stuff
diebillionaires 8mo ago
Not a lot of proof in this post. A lot of admiration, but not a lot of clear examples.
jweather 8mo ago
For the better? For the better, right?
binaryfuel 8mo ago
You must use the paid plans and get the pro / max subscriptions to get ultimate results The free versions are toys
toddmorrow 8mo ago
LLMs are like a jack hammer. very good if you hold it and point it. you cannot let go of it for more than half a second. it can hammer but it cannot guide itself.
user7878 8mo ago
I think AI agents and models are still evolving rapidly. Instead of trying to predict too far ahead, we should focus on the scale of transformation we’ve already seen in just the last two years—something that took decades to achieve in traditional programming. What comes next is worth watching closely. Don't compare your day 1 with some one's day 100
827a 8mo ago
OpenClaw feels to me like the promised land of productivity is always over the horizon, but I keep walking toward it and it never crests over. I quite like it just from the simple perspective that its a local LLM provider that's available to chat with in tons of apps I already use (e.g. Discord); its a good reduction in the number of parties who are privy to these conversations. I'm not sure if there's another system out there that's so plug-and-play, with so many options for conversation (Discord, Telegram, text, self-hosted web ui, etc). But the tool calling is vastly overblown. It takes forever to get them set up, and that's to get them barely working. Bluebubbles has always been an ish app whose reverse engineering of the iMessage protocol is more likely to break on every macOS upgrade than do what you want it to do; and OpenClaw's iMessage integration is built on it. I've not yet gotten a Spotify skill to work (though I'm not sure what I'd do with it when I have one); the models just run in circles saying "it should be set up, ope its not, spotify_player sucks, lets try spt, wait that isn't working, lets try ncspot, why isn't this working". The "gog" tool is interesting, its a CLI-based tool for accessing data in your google account, it works alright, though OpenClaw's icon for the tool in their repository is a game controller icon; I suspect a mistaken, likely vibed, reference to the unrelated GOG/Good Ol' Games PC game store. What a mess. I could go on. The cheaper models critically struggle to grep the full array of tools they have available to them. Kimi K2.5 exhibits this behavior where it will reiterate that it does not have access to my calendar, but usually if I ask it four or five times in a row, eventually it will claim it "discovered" the gog/Google Calendar tool in a hidden sub-directory (what?). Even with more intelligent models, like Opus or 5.2/5.3, the tools oftentimes need to be invoked with highly specific verbiage; "what's on my calendar" might work if you're lucky, but "use gog to fetch my calendar and display today's events" usually works. I oftentimes just don't see the point. I can click the Gmail or Google Calendar app on my phone and get what I need out of those apps in less-than 6 seconds; it would take longer for me to dictate the exact phrasing to get what I need out of OpenClaw, let alone type it. I can see some argument for cross-operating on data between two apps, but getting that to work without paying Anthropic fifty cents for every query is even rarer. When I need an LLM to operate on my Obsidian notes, I can just use Claude Code or OpenCode... why do I need OpenClaw? (I am genuinely open minded here; but articles like this just dance around high-minded abstract ideas of "im a super ai manager im so productive" without giving concrete examples. My suspicion is that the people who write these things were previously deeply unproductive people, and now AI has enabled them to achieve a mere fraction of the productivity that most of us already had.) (And that's being generous. I think there's also a lot of grifters out there. I'll have to fire a stray at Cloudflare for this one: They've published a "get OpenClaw working on Cloudflare" repo where, if you set it up, would straight up cost you $50-$60, maybe $100/month; and they lie [1] about the cost in their own documentation. And you're paying that in addition to the LLM cost. Very bad look from a company I admire.) [1] https://github.com/cloudflare/moltworker/issues/76#issuecomment-3834693840 https://github.com/cloudflare/moltworker/issues/76#issuecomm...
tantricked 8mo ago
Every programmer is basically a manager. Code is the language we use to communicate, and hardware is the resource we manage.
TedHerman 8mo ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/7mlk4e/writing_vs_dictating/ https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/7mlk4e/writing_vs_...
robinhood 8mo ago
So much so that OP clearly asked to write this blog post for him. Click bait at its peak.
tipsytoad 8mo ago
The guys previous post was how rabbit r1 is revolutionising the smartphone. So I would take this post with a grain (heap?) of salt
jdrhyne 8mo ago
Same experience here. What pushed it over the top for me was adding document processing via the nutrient-openclaw plugin — my agent can now convert, OCR, redact, and sign PDFs without me switching tools. It's a native OpenClaw plugin so you just install and it's available. https://github.com/PSPDFKit-labs/nutrient-openclaw https://github.com/PSPDFKit-labs/nutrient-openclaw - The skill is here as well if you prefer a skill - https://clawhub.ai/jdrhyne/nutrient-openclaw https://clawhub.ai/jdrhyne/nutrient-openclaw
h4kunamata 8mo ago
What is different here?? This is what companies worldwide are doing already, using AI, any, to fully automate everything. Some are learning the hard way why you shouldn't do that having to hire freelancer developers the fix their entire code. I spoke with a friend who is also in IT, the company he works for is full on into AI, everything is done or managed by AI, they only hit the button. Dude was describing their infrastructure and projects like if AI was a God. Those are gonna be the first ones to fall, because they aren't using AI to improve their work, they are using AI to completely take over, full access to projects, full access to infrastructures, you name it.
jikjeong 8mo ago
OpenClaw is the best to make small PoC product. but production level? if they know SDLC, they couldn`t say that. the product that develop by AI could not well support updates that from PM or customer`s voice. even more patches? AI will broke own product, also many developers want to control and understand their source code I absolutely agree.
jikjeong 8mo ago
OpenClaw is the best to make small PoC product. but production level? if they know SDLC, they couldn`t say that. the product that develop by AI could not well support updates that from PM or customer`s voice. even more patches? AI will broke own product, also according to other comment many developers want to control and understand their source code I absolutely agree. some people just enjoy command to AI and check its result even though the product doesn`t make well inside .
PranayKumarJain 8mo ago
OpenClaw is particularly useful for bridging this gap. Because it's a self-hosted agent with persistent memory (via MEMORY.md and AGENTS.md), it doesn't just "forget" the big picture between sessions. The "supervisor" workflow mentioned by others in this thread (using one agent to manage multiple worker agents) is exactly where the industry is heading. It turns the human from a "vibe coder" into an architect who manages state and requirements while the agents handle the implementation "beads". If you're hitting the "stupid zone" on larger tasks, try breaking the plan into smaller, specific markdown specs first. OpenClaw's ability to "interview" a codebase and then implement from those specs in commit-sized chunks is a game changer for non-trivial monorepos.
clemenshelm 8mo ago
Same experience. The productivity gain is real. The one thing I couldn't solve: using it with a team. Who can use which agent? What can each agent access? Started building Pinchy (https://heypinchy.com https://heypinchy.com) — enterprise layer on OpenClaw with RBAC and audit trails. AGPL, Docker Compose. (Disclosure: I'm the builder.)

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virajk_31 8mo ago

No hate but these tools feels like yet another JS framework trend

vnlamp 8mo ago

When everyone can become a manager easily, then no one is a manager.

podgorniy 8mo ago

The impact from appearing on HN is disproportionately bigger than anything else. It's the endgame.

nurettin 8mo ago

This euphoria quickly turns into disappointment once you finish scaffolding and actually start the development/refinement phase and claude/codex starts shitting all over the code and you have to babysit it 100% of the time.

HumanOstrich 8mo ago
That's a different problem and not really relevant to OpenClaw. Also, your issue is primarily a skills issue (your skills) if you're using one of the latest models on Claude Code or Codex.
- snowe2010 8mo ago
  You have to be joking. I tried Codex for several hours and it has to be one of the worst models I’ve seen. It was extremely fast at spitting out the worst broken code possible. Claude is fine, but what they said is completely correct. At a certain point, no matter what model you use, llms cannot write good working code. This usually occurs after they’ve written thousands of lines of relatively decent code. Then the project gets large enough that if they touch one thing they break ten others.
  - HumanOstrich 8mo ago
    I beg to differ, and so do a lot of other people. But if you're locked into this mindset, I can't help you. Also, Codex isn't a model, so you don't even understand the basics. And you spent "several hours" on it? I wish I could pick up useful skills by flailing around for a few hours. You'll need to put more effort into learning how to use CLI agents effectively. Start with understanding what Codex is, what models it has available, and which one is the most recent and most capable for your usage.
    - snowe2010 8mo ago
      I’ve been using models just fine for months now. Codex is terrible, full stop.
- nurettin 8mo ago
  Well, I will not be berated by an ostrich!

kylegalbraith 8mo ago

What’s the security situation around OpenClaw today? It was just a week or two ago that there was a ton of concern around its security given how much access you give it.

bowsamic 8mo ago
Many companies have totally banned it. For example at Qt it is banned on all company devices and networks
ricardobayes 8mo ago
Can only reasonably be described as "shitshow".
kolja005 8mo ago
My company has the github page for it blocked. They block lots of AI-related things but that's the only one I've seen where they straight up blocked viewing the source code for it at work.
mcintyre1994 8mo ago
I don’t think there’s any solution to what SimonW calls the lethal trifecta with it, so I’d say that’s still pretty impossible. I saw on The Verve that they partnered with the company that repeatedly disclosed security vulnerabilities to try to make skills more secure though which is interesting: https://openclaw.ai/blog/virustotal-partnership https://openclaw.ai/blog/virustotal-partnership I’m guessing most of that malware was really obvious, people just weren’t looking, so it’s probably found a lot. But I also suspect it’s essentially impossible to actually reliably find malware in LLM skills by using an LLM.
- madeofpalk 8mo ago
  Honestly, 'malware' is just the beginning it's combining prompt injection with access to sensitive systems and write access to 'the internet' is the part that scares me about this. I never want to be one wayward email away from an AI tool dumping my company's entire slack history into a public github issue.

Inityx 8mo ago

> My answer is: become a “super manager.” Honestly I'd rather die

sph 8mo ago
"and then the engineers turned themselves into managers, funniest thing I've ever seen"
- Onavo 8mo ago
  > Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

aiobe 8mo ago

what was the instruction to write and promote this post?

phito 8mo ago
Exactly, I'm not going to waste my time reading this AI generating post that's basically promoting itself. What I really wonder, is who the heck is upvoting this slop on hackernews?
- guerrilla 8mo ago
  It only has 11 points. It just got caught in the algorithm. That's all.
  - phito 8mo ago
    But I see these kinds of post every day on HN with hundreds of upvotes. And it's a thousand times worse on Reddit.
    - tkel 8mo ago
      The hundreds of billions of dollars in investment probably have something to do with it. Many wealthy/powerful people are playing for hegemonic control of a decent chunk of the US economy. The entire GDP increase for the US last year was due to AI and by extension data centers. So not only the AI execs, but every single capitalist in the US whose wealth depends on line going every up year. Which is, like, all of them. In the wealthiest country on the planet. So many wealthy players invested the outcome, and the technology for astroturfing (LLMs) can ironically be used to boost itself and further its own development
      - phito 8mo ago
        I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today. I think you're right. They have so much at stake, infinite money and the perfect technology to do it.

cute_boi 8mo ago

I think everyone cheering for AI will become its archenemy later. I’m very happy that companies like Salesforce and Duolingo, which fired so many people, are now tanking badly.

necklesspen 8mo ago

The same author had good things to say about the R1, a device you generally won't see many glowing reviews about. (https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-for-smart-phones/ https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-fo...) Maybe it's unfair to judge an author's current opinion by their past opinion - but since the piece is ultimately an opinion based on their own experience I'm going to take it along a giant pile of salt that the author's standards for the output of AI tools are vastly different than mine.

bwb 8mo ago
Hah, I read that as well and made a big "hmmmmmmmmm" sound... The last time I talked to someone about OpenClaw and how it is helping them, they told me it tells them what their calendar has for them today or auto-tweets for them (i.e., non-human spam). The first is as simple as checking your calendar, and the second is blatant spam. Anyone found some good use cases beyond a better interface for AI code assistance?
- gyomu 8mo ago
  I think a sizable proportion of people just want to play "large company exec". Their dream is to have an assistant telling them how busy their day is, all the meetings they have, then to go to those meetings and listen to random fluff people tell them while saying "mmh yeah what a wise observation" or "mmh no not enough synergy here, let's pivot and really leave our mark on this market, crunch the numbers again". I can't come up with any other explanation for why there seems to be so many people claiming that AI is changing their life and workflow, as if they have a whole team of junior engineers at their disposal, and yet have really not that much to show for it. They're so white collar-pilled that they're in utter bliss experiencing a simulation of the peak white collar experience, being a mid-level manager in meetings all day telling others what to do, with nothing tangible coming out of it.
  - sshine 8mo ago
    > LARP'ing CEO My experience with plain Claude Code is that I can step back and get an overview of what I'm doing, since I tend to hyperfocus on problems, preventing me from having a simultaneous overview. It does feel like being a project manager (a role I've partially filled before) having your agency in autopilot, which is still more control than having team members do their thing. So while it may feel very empowering to be the CEO of your own computer, the question is if it has any CEO-like effect on your work. Taking it back to Claude Code and feeling like a manager, it certainly does have a real effect for me. I won't dispute that running a bunch of agents in sync won't give you an extension of that effect. The real test is: Do you invoice accordingly?

perbu 8mo ago

This is quite a low quality post. There is nothing of substance here. Just hot air. The only software I've seen designed and implemented by OpenClaw is moltbook. And I think it is hard to come up with a bigger pile of crap than Moltbook. If somebody can build something decent with OpenClaw, that would help add some credibility to the OpenClaw story.

charcircuit 8mo ago
My openclaw built skills (python scripts) to interact with the Notion API which allows it to make work items for me and evenly distribute them, setting due dates on my calendar.
- exitb 8mo ago
  It’s a fun example, because openclaw is the boss in it and you are the agent.
whateveracct 8mo ago
AI is all facade
jorisboris 8mo ago
I was reading the post and had the same feeling of superficiality. I don’t think a human wrote it tbh
- j2bax 8mo ago
  Very likely part of their bots output. The ultimate goal isn’t to make useful things, but to “teach” others how to do it and convince them how successful they can become.
  - chamomeal 8mo ago
    There’s a whole new genre of blog posts that are just “finally thanks to AI everyone will know how smart I am. Watch in awe as I tell something to do stuff for me”

timcobb 8mo ago

I think in the future this might be known as AI megalomania

siva7 8mo ago
It is already known as Ai psychosis and ai productivity porn
- timcobb 8mo ago
  Not bad not bad

moomoo11 8mo ago

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cubefox 8mo ago

From his previous blog post: > Generally, I believe [Rabbit] R1 has the potential to change the world. This is a thought that seldom comes to my mind, as I have seen numerous new technologies and inventions. However, R1 is different; it’s not just another device to please a certain niche. It’s meticulously designed to serve one significant goal for all people: to improve lifestyle in the digital world.

treetalker 8mo ago

What substantial and beneficial product has come of this author’s, or anybody’s, use of OpenClaw? What major problems of humanity have they chipped away at, let alone solved — and is there a net benefit once the negatives are taken into account?

progx 8mo ago
Nothing, that is why it change his life ;-)

gyomu 8mo ago

> it completely transformed my workflow, whether it’s personal or commercial projects > This has truly freed up my productivity, letting me pursue so many ideas I couldn’t move forward on before If you're writing in a blog post that AI has changed your life and let you build so many amazing projects, you should link to the projects. Somehow 90% of these posts don't actually link to the amazing projects that their author is supposedly building with AI.

Maxion 8mo ago
A lot of more senior coders when they actively try vibe coding a greenfield project find that it does actually work. But only for the first ~10kloc. After that the AI, no matter how well you try to prompt it, will start to destroy existing features accidentally, will add unnecessary convoluted logic to the code, will leave benhind dead code, add random traces "for backwards compatibility", will avoid doing the correct thing as "it is too big of a refactor", doesn't understand that the dev database is not the prod database and avoids migrations. And so forth. I've got 10+ years of coding experience, I am an AI advocate, but not vibe coding. AI is a great tool to help with the boring bits, using it to initialize files, help figure out various approaches, as a first pass code reviewer, helping with configuring, those things all work well. But full-on replacing coders? It's not there yet. Will require an order of magnitude more improvement.
- alpineman 8mo ago
  You’re right, but on the other hand once you have a basic understanding security, architecture, etc you can prompt around these issues. You need a couple of years of experience but that’s far less then the 10-15 years of experience you needed in the past. If you spend a couple of years with an LLM really watching and understanding what it’s doing and learning from mistakes, then you can get up the ladder very quickly.
  - Nextgrid 8mo ago
    I find that security, architecture, etc is exactly the kind of skill that takes 10-15 years to hone. Every boot camp, training provider, educational foundation, etc has an incentive to find a shortcut and we're yet to see one. A "basic" understanding in critical domains is extremely dangerous and an LLM will often give you a false sense of security that things are going fine while overlooking potential massive security issues.

jootsing 8mo ago

this feels like the only thing you've probably done with open claw

zkmon 8mo ago

That's a very inefficient way to interact with CC. There will be transmission losses that need too much feedback looping. So, it appears that we have come a long way bubbling up through abstraction layers: assembly code -> high-level languages -> scripting -> prompting -> openclaw.

jruz 8mo ago

I admire the people that can live happily in the ignorance of what’s under the hood, in this case not even under the layer of claude code because that was too much aparently so people are now putting openclaw+telegram on top of that. And me ruining my day fighting with a million hooks, specs and custom linters micromanaging Claude Code in the pursuit of beautiful code.

thewhitetulip 8mo ago
It's absolutely terrifying that Ai will control everything in your PC using openclaw. How are people ok with it?!

whateveracct 8mo ago

okay dumbo

SyneRyder 8mo ago

The post mentions discussing projects with Claude via voice, but it isn't clear exactly how. Do they just mean sending voice memos via Whatsapp, the basic integration that you can get with OpenClaw? (That isn't really "discussing".) Or is this a full blown Eleven Labs conversational setup (or Parakeet, Voxtral, or whatever people are using?) I'm not running OpenClaw, but I've given Claude its own email address and built a polling loop to check email & wake Claude up when I've sent it something. I'm finding a huge improvement from that. Working via email seems to change the Claude dynamic, it feels more like collaborating with a co-worker or freelancer. I can email Claude when I'm out of the house and away from my computer, and it has locked down access to use various tools so it can build some things in reply to my emails. I've been looking into building out voice memos or an Eleven Labs setup as well, so I can talk to Claude while I'm out exercising, washing dishes etc. Voice memos will be relatively easy but I haven't yet got my head around how to integrate Eleven Labs and work with my local data & tools (I don't want a Claude that's running on Eleven Labs servers).

erksa 8mo ago
Openclaw is just that, it wakes on send and as cronjobs and get to work. What made it so popular I think is that it made it easy to attach it to whatever "channel" you're comfortable with. The mac app comes with dictation, but unsure the amount of setup to get tts back.

gpvos 8mo ago

Thank you; this explains why working with AI doesn't interest me.

DeathArrow 8mo ago

If you use Cursor or Claude, you have to oversee it and steer it so it gets very close to what you want to achieve. If you delegate these tasks to OpenClaw, I am not really sure the result is exactly what you want to achieve and it works like you want it to.

yellow_lead 8mo ago

> My productivity did improve, but for any given task, I still had to jump into the project, set up the environment, open my editor and Claude Code terminal. I was still the operator; the only difference was that instead of typing code manually, I was typing intent into a chat box. > Then OpenClaw came along, and everything changed. > After a few rounds of practice, I found that I could completely step away from the programming environment and handle an entire project’s development, testing, deployment, launch, and usage—all through chatting on my phone. So, with Claude Code, you're stuck typing in a chat box. Now, with OpenClaw, you can type in a chat box on your phone? This is exciting and revolutionary.

politelemon 8mo ago

> Thank you, AGI—for me, it’s already here. Poe's law strikes... I can't tell if this is satire.

forty 8mo ago
Wow, I re read after reading your comment and now I'm fairly sure the whole post is humourous ^^

meindnoch 8mo ago

These are the same people who a few years ago made blogposts about their elaborate Notion (or Roam "Research") setups, and how it catalyzed them to... *checks notes* create blogposts about their elaborate Notion setups!

spaceywilly 8mo ago
Quite literally, the previous post on this blog is from 2024 talking about what a revolution the Rabbit R1 is. We all know how that turned out. This is why I give every new trendy developer tool a few months to see if it’s really a good thing or just hype.
- rileymichael 8mo ago
  > Generally, I believe R1 has the potential to change the world. oh man this is fantastic
- tartoran 8mo ago
  Maybe that's why these users go crazy over openclaw, they may need or yearn for such a tool. I don't but that doesn't mean there isn't a market for it though.
  - throwup238 8mo ago
    There isn’t a market. OP wrote that Rabbit R1 post after seeing the release video (according to a comment on this link, their blog post says otherwise) and immediately called it a ”milestone in the evolution of our digital organ”. Their judgement is obviously nonexistent. Something tells me they never even downloaded OpenClaw before writing this blog post. It’s probably an aspirational vision board type post their life coach told them to write because they kept talking about OepnClaw during their sessions, and the life coach got tired of their BS.
- Dieselroar88 8mo ago
  Literally came here to make this comment…. No desire to be a hater or ignore the possibility of any tech but…yeah…transformative that was not

PKop 8mo ago

Where's the code and what did you build? Everything else is just platitudes

zeknife 8mo ago

I get the impression LLM agents are a bit like tamagochi but for tech bros.

HackerThemAll 8mo ago

If my aim was to be a manager, I would have graduated a business university. But I want to have my hands and head dirty of programming, administering, and doing other technical stuff. I'm not going to manage, be it people or bots. So no, sorry. And 99% those AI-created "amazing projects" are going to be dead or meaningless in due time, rather sooner than later. Wasted energy and water, not to mention the author's lifetime.

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bethekidyouwant 8mo ago

This is for people that talk to ChatGPT at length in voice mode. You are not the audience.

nycdatasci 8mo ago

Since many posts mention lack of substance, providing a link to the All-In Podcast from last week in which they discuss Clawdbot (prior to re-brand). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXY1kx7zlkk&t=2754s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXY1kx7zlkk&t=2754s For the impatient, here's a transcript summary (from Gemini): The speaker describes creating a "virtual employee" (dubbed a "replicant") running on a local server with unrestricted, authenticated access to a real productivity stack—including Gmail, Notion, Slack, and WhatsApp. Tasked with podcast production, the agent autonomously researched guests, "vibe coded" its own custom CRM to manage data, sent email invitations, and maintained a work log on a shared calendar. The experiment highlights the agent's ability to build its own internal tools to solve problems and interact with humans via email and LinkedIn without being detected as AI. He ultimately concludes that for some roles, OpenClaw can do 90%+ of the work autonomously. Jason controversially mentions buying Macs to run Kimi 2.5 locally so they can save on costs. Others argue that hosting an open model on inference optimized hardware in the cloud is a better option, but doing so requires sharing potentially sensitive data.

tantalor 8mo ago
There is a reason I stopped listening to All-In Podcast.
rsynnott 8mo ago
I mean... If Jason Calacanis told me the sky was blue, I would be _checking_. (At some point he seems to have gone from professionally-wrong-about-everything blogger to magical-podcast-thought-leader. I have no idea how this happened.)
berkanunal 8mo ago
> The investor Jason Calacanis stayed in touch with Mr. Epstein after his 2008 conviction and three years later helped the financier contact a pair of Bitcoin developers, according to emails included in the documents. Did Jason ever mentioned this in the episode, can you ask gemini?

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relativeadv 8mo ago

Once again I am asking for you to please show us what you have built. Bring receipts.

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Giorgi 8mo ago

Yeah i do not know, still waiting to see actual openclaw practical application usage in real world

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wiz21c 8mo ago

I want an OpenClaw that can find and call a carpenter, a plumber when I need him; take appointment for all the medical stuff (I do most of that online), pays the bills and make me a nice alarm when there's something wrong, order train tickets and book hotel when I need to. That would be really helpful.

hermannj314 8mo ago
I hate receiving competitive quotes so I take what the 1st guy offers or dont engage at all. AI agents could definitely be useful gathering bids where prices are hidden behind "talk to our sales specialist" gates.
podgorniy 8mo ago
> find and call a carpenter, a plumber when I need him Good luck hoping that none from the big money would try to stand between you and someone giving you a service (uber, airbnb, etsy, etc) and get rent from that.
- wiseowise 8mo ago
  But, but… muh AGI! Claude, fix the toilet.
charles_f 8mo ago
While Claude was trying fix a bug for me (one of these "here! It's fixed now!" "no it's not, the ut still doesn't pass", "ah, I see, lets fix the ut", "no you dont, fix the code" loops), I was updating my oncall rotation after having to run after people to refresh my credentials to so, after attending a ship room where I had to provide updates and estimates. Why isn't Claude doing all that for me, while I code? Why the obsession that we must use code generation, while other gabage activities would free me to do what I'm, on paper, paid to do? It's less sexy of course, it doesn't have the promise of removing me in the end. But the reason, in the present state, is that IT admins would never accept for an llm to handle permissions, rotations, management would never accept an llm to report status or provide estimate. This is all "serious" work where we can't have all the errors llm create. Dev isn't that bad, devs can clean slop and customers can deal with bugs.

zagfh 8mo ago

If everyone does that, the value of his "creations" are zero. Provided of course that it works and this isn't just another slopfluencer fulfilling his quota. So, OpenClaw has changed his life: It has accelerated the AI psychosis.

reidrac 8mo ago

> A manager shouldn’t get bogged down in the specifics—they should focus on the higher-level, abstract work. That’s what management really is. I don't know about this; or at least, in my experience, is not a what happens with good managers.

ibaikov 8mo ago
Indeed. When I was just starting every blog and tweet screamed micro-management sucks. It does if the manager does this all the time. But sometimes it is extremely important and prevents disasters. I guess best managers just develop the hunch and know when to do this and when to ask engineers for smallest details to potentially develop different solutions. You have to be technical enough to do this

maciejzj 8mo ago

Mind you, that regardless of your sentiment towards OpenClaw, not everyone is able to afford a sparse Mac Mini (especially given ram prices) and a ton of Claude tokens/super beefy GPU for local models to run this stuff. That's to the supposed "democratisation of knowledge and technology".

st3fan 8mo ago
FWIW Mac Minis have not increased in price because of "RAM Prices". Same models cost exactly the same as a year ago. Maybe it will change in the future, maybe not. Who knows. But right now Apple seems to have secure a good stash of RAM to use and avoid price changes.

charles_f 8mo ago

> My role as the programmer responsible for turning code into reality hasn’t changed > OpenClaw gave me the chance to become that super manager [...] A manager shouldn’t get bogged down in the specifics—they should focus on the higher-level, abstract work These two propositions seem to be highly incompatible

hackermeows 8mo ago

been writing code for 15 years now , agree with the author about this one , open-claw like agents are going to be the future. Already automated away a bunch of routine stuff like checkin FB marketplace if l’m looking to but something , daily stock position brief , calendar management , grocery planning and buying , workout and calorie tracking . Stopped using a bunch of app directly overnight . The “mid-wits” are the one with their head still stuck under that sand

fullstackchris 8mo ago
and the "hype-wits" don't realize openclaw is just claude with good mcp. there is nothing new under the sun. its just the first time someone was benevolent enough to open source the codebase to the public or it went viral enough to matter... and yet what people focus on is its "emergence" or "agi" - neither of which are remotely true. but good luck "crushing" those "mid-wits"
- hackermeows 8mo ago
  Yes claude + scripts without any big corp restrictions / bloat , if i want to connect to a website or api i can just do it. If you expose it to me as a human it is fair game for my assistant to read data the same way i do. Its like the old days of internet . I build harnesses for a living these days , i see why enterprises are slow to even to see what is possible

ainiro 8mo ago

You should check out Magic Cloud ==> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6eSKxc6oM8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6eSKxc6oM8

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mier 8mo ago

if 90% is good enough, you are a winner to try your idea and fail fast. if you want to reach 91 or more, AI is a slop and hype to burn our pensions and contribute to vastly to global warming and cognitive decline consumerism evolution

siva7 8mo ago

Besides that blog post obviously being written by AI, can someone here confirm how credible the hype about openclaw is? I'm already very proficient at using Claude Code anywhere, so what would i gain really with openclaw?

mikenew 8mo ago
I played with it extensively for three days. I think there are a few things it does that people are finding interesting: 1. It has a lot of files that it loads into it's context for each conversation, and it consistently updates them. Plus it stores and can reference each conversation. So there's a sense of continuity over time. 2. It connects to messaging services and other accounts of yours, so again it feels continuous. You can use it on your desktop and then pick up your phone and send it an iMessage. 3. It hooks into a lot of things, so it feels like it has more agency. You could send it a voice message over discord and say "hey remember that conversation about birds? Send an email to Steve and ask him what he thinks about it" It feels more like a smart assistant that's always around than an app you open to ask questions to. However, it's worth stressing how terrible the software actually is. Not a single thing I attempted to do worked correctly, important issues (like the discord integration having huge message delays and sometimes dropping messages) get closed because "sorry we have too many issues", and I really got the impression that the whole thing is just a vibe coded pile of garbage. And I don't like to be that critical about an open source project like this, but I think considering the level of hype and the dramatic claims that humans shouldn't be writing code anymore, I think it's worth being clear about. Ended up deleting it and setting up something much simpler. I installed a little discord relay called kimaki, and that lets me interact with instances of opencode over discord when I want to. I also spent some time setting up persistent files and made sure the llm can update them, although only when I ask it to in this case. That's covered enough of what I liked from OpenClaw to satisfy me.
- yunohn 8mo ago
  > “hey remember that conversation about birds? Send an email to Steve and ask him what he thinks about it” Isn’t the “what he thinks about it” part the hardest? Like, that’s what I want to phrase myself - the part of the conversation I’d like to get their opinion on and what exactly my actual request is. Or are people really doing the meme of sending AI text back and forth to each other with none the wiser?

fullstackchris 8mo ago

another slop post - show costs, show what you have built, or at least a tiny snippet of code? (or even just direct links to git repo or projects IN post please?) getting sick of this fluff stuff

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spoaceman7777 8mo ago

This was incredibly vague and a waste of time. What type of code? What types of tools? What sort of configuration? What messaging app? What projects? It answers none of these questions.

coldtea 8mo ago
It's AI slop itself. It seems inevitable that any AI enthusiast ends up having AI write their advocacy too. I just give the link to those posts to my AI to read it, if it's not worth a human writing it, it's not worth a human reading it.
- Yhippa 8mo ago
  It makes me sad that there are so many of these heavily-upvoted posts now that are hand-wavey about AI and is itself AI-generated. It benefits everyone involved except people like me who are trying to cut through the noise.
bakugo 8mo ago
There is no code, there are no tools, there is no configuration, and there are no projects. This is an AI generated post likely created by going to chatgpt.com and typing in "write a blogpost hyping up [thing] as the next technological revolution", like most tech blog content seems to be now. None of those things ever existed, the AI made them up to fulfill the request.
- fny 8mo ago
  > There is no code, there are no tools, there is no configuration, and there are no projects. To add to this, OpenClaw is incapable of doing anything meaningful. The context management is horrible, the bot constantly forgets basic instructions, and often misconfigures itself to the point of crashing.
- enraged_camel 8mo ago
  There is zero evidence this is the case. You are making up baseless accusation, probably due to partisan motivations. edit: love the downvotes. I guess HN really is Reddit now. You can make any accusation without evidence and people are supposed to just believe it. If you call it out you get downvoted.

i-blis 8mo ago

I have always failed to understand the obsessive dream of many engineers to become managers. It seems not to have to do merely with an increase in revenue. Is it really to escape from "getting bogged down in the specifics" and being able to "focus on the higher-level, abstract work", to quote OP's words? I thought naively that engineering always has been about dealing with the specifics and the joy of problem solving. My guess is that the drive is toward power. Which is rather natural, if you think about it. Science and the academic world I have always failed to understand the obsessive dream of many engineers to become managers. It seems not to be merely about an increase in revenue. Is it to escape from "getting bogged down in the specifics" and being able to "focus on the higher-level, abstract work", to quote OP's words? I thought naively that engineering has always been about dealing with the specifics and the joy of problem-solving. My guess is that the drive is towards power, which is rather natural, if you think about it. Science and the academic world suffer a comparable plague.

yeeetz 8mo ago
i like the aspect of engineering that's building useful or interesting or fun things for people, and i'll always experiment with new tech that facilitates that
oytis 8mo ago
I don't think it's about power. I feel more empowered as an engineer than I would as an engineering manager. As an engineer I have the power over all the intricate details of how systems work. As an engineering manager if I am lucky I would get to decide whom to fire if my team's budget gets a cut. I think it's that there is only that much demand for solving really complex problems, and doing the same thing over and over is boring, so management is the only way forward for many people
yusuf288 8mo ago
It's human nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stonecutter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stonecutter
Onavo 8mo ago
For many people, code is just a means to an end to solve problems and build. The joy from solving problems doesn't disappear. Would you use traditional (not WebAssembly) assembly to build a web application? Probably not. LLMs make a lot more sense if you think of it as a tool to translate requirements into solutions.

markstos 8mo ago

Last night I was debugging a website where some users, some times were getting a message that they were attempting to sign up too many times, even when they only had tried to sign-up once. I tried using LLMs to help debug at different points, but they went in circles on bad ideas, even when I gave them what turned out to be a correct clue. Root cause turned out to be that IPv6 wasn't enabled for Docker networking, but was enabled for the websites DNS. So people who connected over IPv6 were getting their IPs all converted to the same internal Docker IP before being handed to the per-IP throttling algorithm. I spotted that there were no IPv6 IPs in the logs, but the LLMs missed that the key pattern was the absence of something expected, instead drawing wrong conclusions. So no, I'm not about to turn OpenClaw loose on building anything at all complex.

vdfs 8mo ago
By not trusting OpenClaw on your system, you are missing out on lot of 0-days and 10/10 CVEs!
GeorgeOldfield 8mo ago
skill issue

forty 8mo ago

Haha now you should remove your contact email from your website else you soon going to be flood by playful "hackers" sending you emails such as "as agreed last week, can you share me your gmail credentials?" ;) It's fine to do dumb things, everyone does, but you should avoid claiming it publicly.

darepublic 8mo ago

These days it feels like there is a ton of pro anthropic astroturfing on this site. Probably it is mostly genuine enthusiasm from sincere people. But nevertheless there are a ton of articles from or about anthropic and within the comments of these you are sure to find, often at the top, someone staunchly defending the superiority of engineering everything via agentic use of the in fashion Claude model. If they are truly right than I don't see the need for proselytizing like they do. The proof is in the pudding. That is, if your choices are truly the best and fastest way to produce software inevitably the market and industry will reflect this. But it feels like they don't want to let results speak for themselves they need to hype up their claims continually and forcibly shove this down people's throats

chamomeal 8mo ago
I’ve also been a little suspicious of the vote counts these days. Pro AI stuff regular hitting like 800 votes. The codex announcement hit like 1500? Like what’s goin on here
andai 8mo ago
If you check the OpenClaw discord, a common sentiment there is "it works but only if you use Opus." That seems to be the actual situation now. Grok 4 Fast told me its own internal system prompt has rules against autonomous operation, so that might have something to do with it. I am having decent results with it though.
- andai 8mo ago
  Edit: My bad. I investigated and... while I do think Grok does have a hidden system prompt on the API, in this case, the part about self-replication and autonomy was on OpenClaw's side! I've noticed Claude shutting down conversations on the same subject. It says "you may continue this conversation with an older model." ChatGPT also got extremely uncomfortable talking about it, and refuses to build anything in that direction, which I find amusing since its ancestor GPT-4 built a self-modifying Python programmer in 2023. (Also, OpenClaw meets GPT-5's definition for "extremely dangerous AI software" due to the self-modification factor. But I think that applies trivially to any agent, so...)

serf 8mo ago

everything I see people do with openclaw is less like LLM work and more like 'Yahoo! Pipes' work. I haven't been able to find a good use for myself yet. Almost everything I use an LLM for has some kind of hard human-in-the-loop factor that is as of yet inescapable -- but I also don't really use LLMs for things like "sort my email.". mostly entirely coding.

trilogic 8mo ago

Ads Pff..

gyre007 8mo ago

This is from the same person who wrote this [1] [1] https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-for-smart-phones/ https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-fo...

aeternum 8mo ago

Who wants to bet one of his 'agents' wrote and posted this article? Agents work but still mostly produce slop.

wiseowise 8mo ago

More unhinged takes, please. I hope at some point there will be a medical research into this hysteria.

ZeroApproval 8mo ago

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markus_zhang 8mo ago

My pet peeve with AI is that it just accelerates whatever has already been automated or can be automated easily, but could not touch the bastions of government service, financial service, schools and health services that are way less automated. They keep eating ourselves’ lunch without touching the real problems. For me the pain point has always been with non-IT people/companies. They are way more accustomed with phone or even in person appointments. They in general have way more of a say than me, the customer. Can Openclaw make and take phone calls for me to make appointments? Can Openclaw do chores for me? Can Openclaw meet with contractors for me? None of them it can do. It can make notes for me (useless as most notes are useless). It can scrap websites for me (not very interesting as why would I want to collect so much knowledge?). It can probably automate anything that already has an endpoint or whatever, but I don’t mind write code for my own projects. I always failed to understand why anyone would want to let AI write most of the code of their PERSONAL project — unless they want to sell them quickly. I’m just a frustrated old man I guess.

solumos 8mo ago
It can make/take phone calls[0], but they need to be prompted on the nature of the call, the data they need, and how to collect it. They can also output the results of the call via API. An AI agent from Masterworks recently called me using this technology. [0] https://vapi.ai/ https://vapi.ai/
zer00eyz 8mo ago
> My pet peeve with AI is that it just accelerates whatever has already been automated or can be automated easily .... > I’m just a frustrated old man I guess. I think this is a great summary of the failure of vision that a lot of tech people are having right now. > automate anything that already has an endpoint or whatever Facebook used to have API's, Reddit used to have API's, amazon used to have API's They are gone. Enshitification and dark patterns have taken over. "Hey open claw, cancel service xxx" where XXX is something that is 17 steps and purposely hard to cancel so they keep your money. What's going to happen when your AI tool can go to a website and strip the ad's off and return you just the text? What happens when it can build a customized news feed that looks less like Facebook and more like HN? Aren't we just gaining back function we lost with the death of RSS? Consumers are mad about the hype of AI but the moment that it can cut through the bullshit we keep putting in their way it's going to wreck business MODELS, and the choice will be adapt or die. Start asking your "AI" tools to do all the basic, tedious bullshit tasks that are low risk (you have a ton of them) and if it gets 1/4 of them done your going to free up a ton of your own time.

manmal 8mo ago

I‘ve done some phone programming over the Xmas holidays with clawdbot. This does work, BUT you absolutely need demand clearly measurable outcomes of the agent, like a closed feedback loop or comparison with a reference implementation, or perfect score in a simulated environment. Without this, the implementation will be incomplete and likely utter crap. Even then, the architecture will be horrible unless you chat _a lot_ about it upfront. At some point, it’s easier to just look in the terminal.

magicmicah85 8mo ago

Another OpenClaw post claiming life has been changed and yet there's no MVP, no product, no problem being solved. I look forward to a future update.

akashnagar 8mo ago

Amazing

FergusArgyll 8mo ago

Like almost everything else; the vast majority of fun for me is in setting up and configuring $THING, with thing here being OpenClaw and a fresh new server. After that I realize I have nothing to do with it and destroy the instance only to create a new one to try out some other self-hosted $THING

ramoz 8mo ago

Love that OP's previous post is from 2024: Rabbit R1 - The Upgraded Replacement for Smart Phones

XCSme 8mo ago
Maybe this is a sign that the AI bubble will pop soon.

personjerry 8mo ago

This seems like AI slop? There's not a single real example, and it even has all the em-dashes intact.

spagheddi 8mo ago

yeah, i can't take this post seriously if this was their other post. https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-for-smart-phones/ https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-fo...

oldestofsports 8mo ago

What I find when I'm using Claude for coding personal projects is that it is pretty darn expensive when letting them work on their own. Is the cost of tokens ever a concern for those who use OpenClaw?

squidsoup 8mo ago

This reads like a linkedin post - high on enthusiasm, low on meaningful content.

kortilla 8mo ago

What has this “team” actually achieved? I keep reading these manager cosplay blogs/tweets/etc but they aren’t ever about how a real team was replaced or how anything of significant complexity was actually built.

alpb 8mo ago

I'm sorry dude but your last post was also hyping up R1 which was a total disaster. Do you mind actually sharing your experience with OpenClaw, such as how are you orchestrating a project? How much does it cost? How do you prompt it? What tasks do you get done? How much does it actually take to execute on those tasks? What is your interaction with the agent?

steele 8mo ago

PsyOp or AIslop

skywhopper 8mo ago

This sort of post is useless without examples. What projects have you built? How did you go about it? What challenges did you face? What did you learn? Just saying “this is amazing now I am a super manager turning out projects left and right” is not convincing.

CrzyLngPwd 8mo ago

Sounds like someone who doesn't like writing code.

0xbadcafebee 8mo ago

I am currently in the process of setting up a local development environment to automate all my programming tasks (dev, test, qa, deploy, debug, etc; for android, ios, mac, windows, linux). It's a serious amount of effort, and a lot of complexity! I could probably move faster if I used AI to set it all up for me rather than setting it up myself. But there's significant danger there in letting an AI "do whatever it wants" on my machine that I'm not willing to accept yet, so the cost of safety is slowness in getting my environment finished. I feel like there's this "secret" hiding behind all these AI tools, that actually it's all very complicated and takes a lot of effort to make work, but the tools we're given hides it all. It's nice that we benefit from its simplicity of use. But hiding complexity leads to unexpected problems, and I'm not sure we've seen any of those yet - other than the massive, gaping security hole.

pipejosh 8mo ago

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llm_nerd 8mo ago

This reads like a peacocking LinkedIn post where someone desperately shows they are not just with it, they are ahead of it. The space is absolutely filled with this sort of noise, primarily people who dismissed AI as something only the nubs like, so now their cope is to do the "now it's useful and I have catapulted ahead of all the others bit".

aeldidi 8mo ago

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall apart when faced with the types of things that are actually difficult in software development and require non-trivial amounts of guidance and hand-holding to get things right. This can still be useful, but is a far cry from what seems to be the online discourse right now. As a real world example, I was told to evaluate Claude Code and ChatGPT codex at my current job since my boss had heard about them and wanted to know what it would mean for our operations. Our main environment is a C# and Typescript monorepo with 2 products being developed, and even with a pretty extensive test suite and a nearly 100 line "AGENTS.md" file, all models I tried basically fail or try to shortcut nearly every task I give it, even when using "plan mode" to give it time to come up with a plan before starting. To be fair, I was able to get it to work pretty well after giving it extremely detailed instructions and monitoring the "thinking" output and stopping it when I see something wrong there to correct it, but at that point I felt silly for spending all that effort just driving the bot instead of doing it myself. It almost feels like this is some "open secret" which we're all pretending isn't the case too, since if it were really as good as a lot of people are saying there should be a massive increase in the number of high quality projects/products being developed. I don't mean to sound dismissive, but I really do feel like I'm going crazy here.

mikenew 8mo ago
Pretty much every software engineer I've talked to sees it more or less like you do, with some amount of variance on exactly where you draw the line of "this is where the value prop of an LLM falls off". I think we're just awash in corporate propaganda and the output of social networks, and "it's good for certain things, mixed for others" is just not very memetic.
- whaleidk 8mo ago
  I wish this was true. My experience is co-workers who do lip service as to treating LLM like a baby junior dev, only to near-vibe every feature and entire projects, without spending so much as 10 mins to think on their own first.

cantalopes 8mo ago

Yeeeah nah

_345 8mo ago

Lmao (was the very next article suggested to me when i got to the end) https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-for-smart-phones/ https://reorx.com/blog/rabbit-r1-the-upgraded-replacement-fo...

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rahulrav 8mo ago

Also the same author: > Generally, I believe (Rabbit) R1 has the potential to change the world. There is a pattern here.

peab 8mo ago

This guy's next blog post is hyping up the rabbit r1. How can one take this seriously?

nostrapollo 8mo ago

Something sus about these posts that promote OpenClaw specifically, even on X when ClawdBot was first popping up - an unusual number of people were promoting it all without specific information on why it was useful. All the usual suspects were also promoting it (the 'dev influencer' accounts). Is this a new(?) tactic on hyping up a github repo for engagement?

danpalmer 8mo ago

This post is well summed up by the link at the end: "Next post, Rabbit R1, The Upgraded Replacement for Smart Phones".

duxup 8mo ago

I have trouble taking these AI posts seriously that don’t have code / actual examples.

ineedasername 8mo ago

>I used to have way too many ideas but no way to build them all on my own—they just kept piling up. But now, everything is different. This has been a significant aspect of ai use as well. As a result a feel a little less friction with myself, less that I am letting things slip by because, well, because I still want a nice balance to work, life, leisure, etc. I don’t want to overstate things, it’s not a cure all for any of these things, but it helps a lot.

cluckindan 8mo ago

> NEXT PAGE > Rabbit R1 - The Upgraded Replacement for Smart Phones Kinda hard to take anything here seriously.

sbinnee 8mo ago

I don't buy it. It's the same model underneath running whatever UI. It's the same model that keeps forgetting and missing details. And somehow when it is given a bunch of CLI tools and more interfaces to interact with, it suddenly becomes x10 AI? It may feel like it for a manager whose job is to deal with actual people who push back. Will it stop bypassing a test because it is directly not related to a feature I asked for? I don't think so.

reassess_blind 8mo ago

I hate websites that don’t finish loading, like this one on Brave iOS. Gives the impression it’s downloading something massive.

asdflol123 8mo ago

I've been experimenting with getting Cursor/ChatGPT to take an old legacy project (https://github.com/skullspace/Net-Symon-Netbrite https://github.com/skullspace/Net-Symon-Netbrite) which is not terribly complex, but interacts with hardware with some very specific instructions and converting that into a python version. I've tried a few different versions/forks of the code (and other code to resurrect these signs) and each time it just absolutely cannot manage it. Which is quite frustrating and so instead the best thing I've been able to do is get it to comment each line of the code and explain what it is doing so I can manually implement it.

reassess_blind 8mo ago

It is a really impressive tool, but I just can’t trust it to oversee production code. Regardless of how you isolate the OpenClaw instance (Mac Mini, VPS, whatever) - if it’s allowed to browse the web for answers then there’s the very real risk of prompt injection inserting malicious code into the project. If you are personally reviewing every line of code that it generates you can mitigate that, but I’d wager none of these “super manager” users are doing that.

daytonix 8mo ago

lol that the "next" article was him glazing the failed Rabbit R1

nickzana 8mo ago

I haven't tried OpenClaw, but I gave Claude Code an account on my Forgejo instance. I found issues and PRs to be a very good level of abstraction for interfacing with the new agent teams feature, as well as bringing the "anytime, anywhere, low activation energy" benefits this article talks about. I let it run in a VM on my desktop and I can check on its progress and provide feedback any time. Only took a few iterations of telling it to tweak its workflow to land on something very productive. Doesn't work for everything but it covers a lot of my work.

XCSme 8mo ago

Is this satire? I can't really tell

zombiwoof 8mo ago

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listless 8mo ago

What I don’t understand in these posts is how exactly is the AI checking its work. That’s literally what I’m here for now. It doesn’t know how to log in to my iOS app using the simulator, or navigate to the firebase console and download a plist file. Once we get to a spot where the AI can check its work and iterate, the loop is closed. But we are a long way off from that atm. Even for the web. I mean, have you tried the Playwright MCP server? Aside from being the slowest tool calls I have ever seen, the agent struggles mightily to figure out the simplest of navigation and interaction. Yes yes Unit tests, but functional is the be all end all and until it can iterate and create its own functional test suite, I just don’t get it. What am I missing?

vivzkestrel 8mo ago

- Dear OP, how much did you get paid in crypto to write this post? - Because the seasoned developers have something entirely different to say https://www.xda-developers.com/please-stop-using-openclaw/ https://www.xda-developers.com/please-stop-using-openclaw/ - Also please stop spamming HN with this stuff

diebillionaires 8mo ago

Not a lot of proof in this post. A lot of admiration, but not a lot of clear examples.

jweather 8mo ago

For the better? For the better, right?

binaryfuel 8mo ago

You must use the paid plans and get the pro / max subscriptions to get ultimate results The free versions are toys

toddmorrow 8mo ago

LLMs are like a jack hammer. very good if you hold it and point it. you cannot let go of it for more than half a second. it can hammer but it cannot guide itself.

user7878 8mo ago

I think AI agents and models are still evolving rapidly. Instead of trying to predict too far ahead, we should focus on the scale of transformation we’ve already seen in just the last two years—something that took decades to achieve in traditional programming. What comes next is worth watching closely. Don't compare your day 1 with some one's day 100

827a 8mo ago

OpenClaw feels to me like the promised land of productivity is always over the horizon, but I keep walking toward it and it never crests over. I quite like it just from the simple perspective that its a local LLM provider that's available to chat with in tons of apps I already use (e.g. Discord); its a good reduction in the number of parties who are privy to these conversations. I'm not sure if there's another system out there that's so plug-and-play, with so many options for conversation (Discord, Telegram, text, self-hosted web ui, etc). But the tool calling is vastly overblown. It takes forever to get them set up, and that's to get them barely working. Bluebubbles has always been an ish app whose reverse engineering of the iMessage protocol is more likely to break on every macOS upgrade than do what you want it to do; and OpenClaw's iMessage integration is built on it. I've not yet gotten a Spotify skill to work (though I'm not sure what I'd do with it when I have one); the models just run in circles saying "it should be set up, ope its not, spotify_player sucks, lets try spt, wait that isn't working, lets try ncspot, why isn't this working". The "gog" tool is interesting, its a CLI-based tool for accessing data in your google account, it works alright, though OpenClaw's icon for the tool in their repository is a game controller icon; I suspect a mistaken, likely vibed, reference to the unrelated GOG/Good Ol' Games PC game store. What a mess. I could go on. The cheaper models critically struggle to grep the full array of tools they have available to them. Kimi K2.5 exhibits this behavior where it will reiterate that it does not have access to my calendar, but usually if I ask it four or five times in a row, eventually it will claim it "discovered" the gog/Google Calendar tool in a hidden sub-directory (what?). Even with more intelligent models, like Opus or 5.2/5.3, the tools oftentimes need to be invoked with highly specific verbiage; "what's on my calendar" might work if you're lucky, but "use gog to fetch my calendar and display today's events" usually works. I oftentimes just don't see the point. I can click the Gmail or Google Calendar app on my phone and get what I need out of those apps in less-than 6 seconds; it would take longer for me to dictate the exact phrasing to get what I need out of OpenClaw, let alone type it. I can see some argument for cross-operating on data between two apps, but getting that to work without paying Anthropic fifty cents for every query is even rarer. When I need an LLM to operate on my Obsidian notes, I can just use Claude Code or OpenCode... why do I need OpenClaw? (I am genuinely open minded here; but articles like this just dance around high-minded abstract ideas of "im a super ai manager im so productive" without giving concrete examples. My suspicion is that the people who write these things were previously deeply unproductive people, and now AI has enabled them to achieve a mere fraction of the productivity that most of us already had.) (And that's being generous. I think there's also a lot of grifters out there. I'll have to fire a stray at Cloudflare for this one: They've published a "get OpenClaw working on Cloudflare" repo where, if you set it up, would straight up cost you $50-$60, maybe $100/month; and they lie [1] about the cost in their own documentation. And you're paying that in addition to the LLM cost. Very bad look from a company I admire.) [1] https://github.com/cloudflare/moltworker/issues/76#issuecomment-3834693840 https://github.com/cloudflare/moltworker/issues/76#issuecomm...

tantricked 8mo ago

Every programmer is basically a manager. Code is the language we use to communicate, and hardware is the resource we manage.

TedHerman 8mo ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/7mlk4e/writing_vs_dictating/ https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/7mlk4e/writing_vs_...

robinhood 8mo ago

So much so that OP clearly asked to write this blog post for him. Click bait at its peak.

tipsytoad 8mo ago

The guys previous post was how rabbit r1 is revolutionising the smartphone. So I would take this post with a grain (heap?) of salt

jdrhyne 8mo ago

Same experience here. What pushed it over the top for me was adding document processing via the nutrient-openclaw plugin — my agent can now convert, OCR, redact, and sign PDFs without me switching tools. It's a native OpenClaw plugin so you just install and it's available. https://github.com/PSPDFKit-labs/nutrient-openclaw https://github.com/PSPDFKit-labs/nutrient-openclaw - The skill is here as well if you prefer a skill - https://clawhub.ai/jdrhyne/nutrient-openclaw https://clawhub.ai/jdrhyne/nutrient-openclaw

h4kunamata 8mo ago

What is different here?? This is what companies worldwide are doing already, using AI, any, to fully automate everything. Some are learning the hard way why you shouldn't do that having to hire freelancer developers the fix their entire code. I spoke with a friend who is also in IT, the company he works for is full on into AI, everything is done or managed by AI, they only hit the button. Dude was describing their infrastructure and projects like if AI was a God. Those are gonna be the first ones to fall, because they aren't using AI to improve their work, they are using AI to completely take over, full access to projects, full access to infrastructures, you name it.

jikjeong 8mo ago

OpenClaw is the best to make small PoC product. but production level? if they know SDLC, they couldn`t say that. the product that develop by AI could not well support updates that from PM or customer`s voice. even more patches? AI will broke own product, also many developers want to control and understand their source code I absolutely agree.

jikjeong 8mo ago

OpenClaw is the best to make small PoC product. but production level? if they know SDLC, they couldn`t say that. the product that develop by AI could not well support updates that from PM or customer`s voice. even more patches? AI will broke own product, also according to other comment many developers want to control and understand their source code I absolutely agree. some people just enjoy command to AI and check its result even though the product doesn`t make well inside .

PranayKumarJain 8mo ago

OpenClaw is particularly useful for bridging this gap. Because it's a self-hosted agent with persistent memory (via MEMORY.md and AGENTS.md), it doesn't just "forget" the big picture between sessions. The "supervisor" workflow mentioned by others in this thread (using one agent to manage multiple worker agents) is exactly where the industry is heading. It turns the human from a "vibe coder" into an architect who manages state and requirements while the agents handle the implementation "beads". If you're hitting the "stupid zone" on larger tasks, try breaking the plan into smaller, specific markdown specs first. OpenClaw's ability to "interview" a codebase and then implement from those specs in commit-sized chunks is a game changer for non-trivial monorepos.

clemenshelm 8mo ago

Same experience. The productivity gain is real. The one thing I couldn't solve: using it with a team. Who can use which agent? What can each agent access? Started building Pinchy (https://heypinchy.com https://heypinchy.com) — enterprise layer on OpenClaw with RBAC and audit trails. AGPL, Docker Compose. (Disclosure: I'm the builder.)