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Wow... "...and then unfortunately there is terroristic organizations like DeFlock, whose primary motivation is chaos. They are closer to Antifa than they are
by rationalist 9mo ago
Wow...
"...and then unfortunately there is terroristic organizations like DeFlock, whose primary motivation is chaos. They are closer to Antifa than they are anything else."
"We're not forcing Flock on anyone..."
It is a short 1:32 video, I encourage people to watch it for themselves.
I thought DeFlock was just publishing locations of cameras and lawfully convincing local governments to not use Flock, primarily through FOIA requests.
- verdverm 9mo agothe line from authoritarians is often predictably to proclaim their opponents "terrorists" and the like https://www.foreignaffairs.com/china/weakness-strongmen-stephen-kotkin https://www.foreignaffairs.com/china/weakness-strongmen-step...
- saalweachter 9mo agoTwenty-some years back, I attended a talk by a classicist who was talking about how the Romans, Caesar specifically I think, basically used "pirate" the same way.
- nmora 9mo agoI saw an exhibition on cannibalism that mentioned a similar thing such that being called a "cannibal" was used in a similar fashion.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 9mo agoAre there any famous examples? Like did John Adams ever call an opponent a cannibal?
- stevenwoo 9mo agoFunnily enough, the currently airing Starz program, Spartacus: House of Ashur does this, has Caesar as a character and all political sides use “pirates” as a bogeyman to justify all sorts of things and stage false flag attacks while pretending to be pirates. It’s meant for entertainment not historicity but it’s kind of reminding me of Battlestar Galactica reboot touching political themes in this one aspect except with swords and prosethetics flying everywhere.
- verdverm 9mo agoart comments on life and life imitates art
- int_19h 9mo agoAlso https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandenbek%C3%A4mpfung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandenbek%C3%A4mpfung
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- IAmGraydon 9mo agohttps://archive.is/IBKgO https://archive.is/IBKgO
- pixl97 9mo ago> They are closer to Antifa than they are anything else. So they just said "These people are anti-fascist and this is a bad thing" Aren't authoritarians great.
- lowkey_ 9mo ago[flagged]
- lazyasciiart 9mo agoPresumably you mean that it is commonly presented that way by authoritarians who have no idea what they are talking about.
- qu4z-2 9mo agoYou can disagree, but "Presumably you meant the opposite of what you said" is condescending nonsense.
- idle_zealot 9mo agoIt's the most charitable interpretation. I think HN rules require that you give others the benefit of the doubt and assume that most charitable case.
- Ar-Curunir 9mo agoHe gave you a charitable interpretation of your absolutely nonsense comment.
- RealityVoid 9mo agoIt's wild what the perception is in the right echo chamber right now. I was talking with my brother, who I love, but who, through his practicing Christian faith is essentially pulled into this right-wing cultural environment and propaganda machine. So he was making the point that the politics in the US have drifted so much more to the left that the right is actually the center. My jaw dropped off the floor. How do these thing even get propagated? It's borderline ridiculous and I don't know how this firehouse of bullshit can ever be countered.
- Ar-Curunir 9mo agoAh yes, and the antifa line. Wonder if these assholes ever stop to think what being anti-antifa actually means.
- ahartmetz 9mo agoIt's not uncommon for fascists to call themselves anti-antifa.
- JumpCrisscross 9mo agoIs there a general term for metastatic semantic overinclusivity? Terrorist. Racist. Colonist. Fascist. Historically-rooted and precise terms that are collectively decohering in a self-amplifying and propagating way as everyone feels increasingly free to detach more and more words from their original meanings.
- schmidtleonard 9mo agoDeath of the author.
- GuinansEyebrows 9mo agoyou have seriously got to read and understand Eco's 14 tenets of Ur-Fascism [0] if you think that contemporary applications of the term "fascist" are inaccurate in describing what's happening right now in the US. [0] https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fasci...
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> if you think that contemporary applications of the term "fascist" are inaccurate in describing what's happening right now in the US Didn't say that. I'm saying I've seen the term thrown around wildly to apply to all manner of things. Like the other terms. The term is probably fundamentally fucked. If you asked Hitler if he's a Nazi, he'd say yes. If you asked Mussolini if he's a Fascist, he'd say yes. These were the words they used to describe themselves. The reason I'm describing the phenomenon versus blaming the folks using the terms broadly is because I don't think this is a personal failing by anyone as much as something that's linguistically happening.
- trinsic2 9mo agoUnless you are suggesting an alternative word, IMHO, that's a great way to side line people that are actually talking about real harms.
- riedel 9mo agoFunny thing is that in my German neighborhood we have Antifa stickers pretty much on any other street lamp. Given the fascist tendencies all around it actually makes me feel safer...
- JumpCrisscross 9mo ago> in my German neighborhood we have Antifa stickers pretty much on any other street lamp. Given the fascist tendencies all around it actually makes me feel safer My Polish-German godmother asked me, as a kid, "who would you hide." I didn't get the question. And 6-year old me wasn't ready for Holocaust with grandma. But it comes back to me from time to time. Who would you hide. Who would you stake your wealth and life on to keep from undeserved suffering. The stickers are good. But they only mean something if you're willing to fight for them. At least in America, I'm unconvinced most sticker-toters are willing to sacrifice anything. (It's what makes Minnesota and Texas different.)
- vpribish 9mo agowow.. "who would you hide" - christ. thanks for posting that - it's powerful.
- mrsvanwinkle 9mo agoAgreed with other comment thanks so much for posting.
- lbrito 9mo agoIt's wild how it became mainstream in the US to equate Antifa = Bad. Some geniuses proudly, openly self describe as anti antifa. Guess what that double negation makes you?
- radiator 9mo agoWell their view ist that antifa are actually fascists, which makes anti antifa democrats.
- jMyles 9mo agoBut that's really the height of silliness. I can say that all people who describe themselves as 'anticapitalist' are actually capitalists, but that doesn't change anything about those people, the ideology in question, or the world. Are some people who call themselves antifa secretly fascists? I'm sure they are. So?
- jmye 9mo agoThat’s not their view, it’s their propaganda. No one has ever made any actual, credible argument that anything about “antifa” is actually “fascist”.
- sershe 9mo agoIf you are against a self-professed democratic people's republic (of Korea), does that make you anti-democratic or anti-people?
- snypher 9mo agoWell, it makes you antiDPRK. Being anti-antifascist just make you a fascist, or a fascist-adjacent supporter.
- GaryBluto 9mo ago> Being anti-antifascist just make you a fascist, or a fascist-adjacent supporter. If a loose-knit ideology/movement called "Anti-Rapists" emerged that evolved into a cohort of various disconnected thugs who targeted homosexuals for violence, would being Anti-"Anti-Rapist" make you a supporter of rapists or rapist-adjacent supporter?