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Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted
- cebert 10mo agoI don’t think Microsoft realizes that this is not a positive for their brand.
- bobbybarnaclebb 10mo agoThey don’t care. The customer service era is over.
- nerdponx 10mo agoIt doesn't matter if consumers don't like it if everyone does it. The only choice remaining then is to put up with it or not have a TV at all.
- hyperadvanced 10mo agoYou can get a 10 or 20 or 30 year old TV. They still work.
- goku12 10mo agoI see that we have already entered the post-apocalyptic scavenging stage?
- saltcured 10mo agoI turns out hardly anybody pays enough attention to notice an apocalypse
- hyperadvanced 10mo agoOn the contrary, new stuff is cheap and abundant, it’s just optimized for price and quality at the expense of UX. 20 years ago setting up a new TV required plugging in wires and shit. Now it just means installing the walled garden OS, logging in, and handing over your data for collection. Based on the number of people who are OK with this, it’s hard to imagine it changing without people choosing something else.
- nerdponx 10mo agoDifferent kind of apocalypse Actually if it was "just" cheap and junky that would probably be fine with a lot of people here. Yes shrinkinflation is a problem but technology doesn't seem to have that problem, prices genuinely do keep coming down. The problem is what companies add on top of the cheap junk in order to obtain an extra revenue stream while also still selling cheap junk. In fact I think I would rather take cheap dumb junk than high-quality but spying on me.
- binary132 10mo ago“Not have a TV at all” is a perfectly reasonable choice many people are making now.
- nerdponx 10mo agoSure, that works for TVs. Less so for things like refrigerators and cars. Getting fixated on one particular market obfuscates the big picture.
- drnick1 10mo agoYou can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. Use it as a monitor for a PC running Linux, from which you stream from your browser or dedicated apps like VacuumTube (Youtube Leanback).
- SunlitCat 10mo agoSadly, you get sometimes forced that "smart stuff" if you want it or not. Had to order large tv sets at work, got LG ones. Working mostly fine as dumb displays (for some connected device, delivering the pictures and using HDMI ARC to switch on both at once) but here and there, users are put to the home menu of the LG TV if something fails and need to click through some icons to get to the HDMI input and if you dare to connect them online you get that "Update" notification, when an update is available (even when you disabled auto update).
- goku12 10mo ago> You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. For how long? Eventually, it will end up like Windows login. It won't work without an online account. In the meanwhile, they will soft corece you into adopting it by using passive aggression. They will slow down the bootup to a crawl, unless you connect it online. Those times are already really bad - CRT monitors used to heat up faster. The ultimate point is, if you have to make compromises to retain your rights, then you might as well have no rights at all. You're already well on your way there.
- 1718627440 10mo agoAt the same time TV companies are shifting to releasing video files on websites. You simply will only buy a larger monitor/projector and access the video with your computer.
- Lio 10mo agoIt's a creepy tech cartel.
- rolph 10mo agoits none too good for LG either; also: i think this sort of behaviour is exactly how you chill updates of any sort. it may take a while but when it is publicly salient that updates are sophies choice, and large pie slices of devices stay stock and unconnected, that will dry up that watering hole. paranoia regarding un-updated devices will give way to paranoia regarding updates being used to screw you into something you would never consent to.
- klipklop 10mo agoNext step is having cell modems in the TVs so you can’t stop updates and invading your privacy.
- happymellon 10mo agoI've had this with Android updates. When you remove my ability to see if a Bluetooth device is connected with a security update, why would I willingly install any more of your updates?
- stackghost 10mo agoWhich update are you referring to? I don't have this behavior on my Pixel, which updated itself yesterday.
- happymellon 10mo agoIt was the Samsung Android 15 update from earlier this year. https://www.reddit.com/r/samsunggalaxy/comments/1kjjeqo/how_to_get_bluetooth_indicator_back_in_oneui/ https://www.reddit.com/r/samsunggalaxy/comments/1kjjeqo/how_...
- happymellon 10mo agoYes, I should have said "Samsung" rather than Android for that, however I stopped with the Pixels when my Pixel 3 (I think?) received an update which caused buzzing in the earpiece, and every "fix" didn't fix it. Though I think the 3 received the buggiest updates of any phone ever.
- MrMember 10mo agoIt's a positive for a nameless middle manager somewhere who can show their boss a graph with a line moving to the right and up with a title like "AI Adoption Across Platforms" and hit their bonus target.
- rolph 10mo agoif you work in a restauraunt, and decide salt is cheaper than sugar, and fill the bowls like that, someone will find out, like your manager. telling your boss we are selling sugar, when its actually salt, is a good recipe for footgunning.
- readthenotes1 10mo agoAccountability and responsibility are not so clear and large, insanely profitable, behemoths like Microsoft.
- themafia 10mo agoYea, and that's the reason we pay taxes and tolerate a government, they're supposed to provide a counter force to this apparent corruption.
- weikju 10mo agoNo, the boss is asking for more salt. Employees are then replacing sugar with salt and getting bonuses, no matter what the customer reactions are.
- colejohnson66 10mo agoAnd then word gets around that you put salt in coffee instead of sugar, and people stop going to you. Unless you’re the only deli in town.
- baby_souffle 10mo ago> And then word gets around that you put salt in coffee instead of sugar, and people stop going to you. Right, but that's somebody elses problem a few quarters from now.
- senectus1 10mo agothey wont take much of a hit on the brand because of this, so they'll make up for that in marketing elsewhere. this will however give them huge amounts of information... its a loss leader for them.
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- egorfine 10mo agoThey force AI demand to show it to the shareholders. So they couldn't care less whether that's positive on the receiving end.
- stephen_g 10mo agoMakes me more and more glad that I never let my TV on any network and only use it as a display for Apple TV, the Blu-Ray player, and playing media from USB drives...
- tuetuopay 10mo agoSame happy boat here. Mine has never seen the light of network access. I just don’t trust these things at all.
- Macha 10mo agoI left a relative house sitting, specifically told them to use the Xbox if they need Netflix etc, and of course they connected the TV to the wifi and just hit accept on everything. Luckily it was still new enough that LG hadn’t put out a patch to cram it full of ads yet. After that I blocked the MAC address at my router.
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- hapticmonkey 10mo agoMy LG TV has been offline for the past 2 years (since I got it). I'm so much happier using the Apple TV. I know people want "dumb" displays, but the reality is that these OLED panels offer industry-leading image quality and benefit from economies of scale, where most users want some form of built-in OS. A signage board cannot compete on price or quality. As long as TV manufacturers let me run it offline without issue, I'm fine with that. Also fwiw, you can use apps like Infuse on the Apple TV for playing your own media files over the network. No Need for USB drives, just connect direct to the shared folder.
- toomuchtodo 10mo agoApple TV is the best device for using Plex with a TV fwiw.
- blrbtrp19 10mo agoOld Microsoft learned from the Clippy debacle, and more recently from the Windows 8.1 modern UI debacle. I'm not sure new Microsoft will learn this time...
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- themafia 10mo ago> Additionally, LG has a setting called "Live Plus" that Reddit users highlighted. When it's turned on, the TV can recognize what's displayed on screen and use that viewing information for personalized recommendations and ads. LG describes it as an "enhanced viewing experience," Ah. So it's not "AI." It's an "opportunity to spy on every single thing you do."
- measurablefunc 10mo agoEvery AI company is doing the same thing, there is nothing special about Microsoft in this instance. If you're using a 3rd party provider for your queries you can assume it is going to end up in the training corpus.
- tzs 10mo agoThose are completely separate. "Live Plus" is a TV setting that has nothing to do with Copilot and has been on their TVs for a long time.
- baby_souffle 10mo ago> has been on their TVs for a long time. It's not just LG! They keep trying to shove "a return channel" into the latest ATSC standards for DRM and "enhanced / more accurate ratings".
- 112233 10mo agoHow do I check the TV in store does not have modem with esim? Or at least detect and disable embedded cell modems at home?
- iguessthislldo 10mo agoThe average person willingly connects them to their wifi, why would TV makers go through the effort and expense? Maybe I'm being too optimistic though...
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- nextworddev 10mo agoMr Anderson…
- dzink 10mo agoThe customer era is over when advertisers are paying more than customers. The advertiser era is over when any corporation wants to buy AI trained on each customer like a harness on each horse.
- yalogin 10mo agoWhy? If they want to even embed copilot, they could have atleast been strategic about it!! Copilot has this image that has something to do with coding, average person doesn’t care be bit about it and see ut as an invasive pest
- baby_souffle 10mo ago> Copilot has this image that has something to do with coding To the audience of this site, yeah. But "copilot" is Microsoft trying to brand "an agent/assistant". They use it across their entire product line; copilot is in office so you can ask for help with spreadsheet formulas and in outlook so you can ask for help with summary/triage... and it's in VSCode/GH. Microsoft saw the way the USB people absolutely screwed up the marketing/branding around different generations and speeds and capabilities and said "I bet the same strategy will work spectacularly well for us" and thus _everything_ became copilot.
- olyjohn 10mo agoI still think that most people don't know what it is. There's so much shit getting installed on peoples TVs / PCs / Phones that they didn't ask for, I think that they just ignore it like they do SPAM. Back when IE was king, nobody even knew what the hell Internet Explorer was. They just clicked the blue E thing to get to Google.
- ungovernableCat 10mo ago>Why? Because wallstreet just needs to see that AI adoption number go up. No one really cares about if it's accidental clicks, or hell just mandatory running in the background. We just need that number to go up, and next quarter it has to go up even more.
- mindreframer 10mo agoomg... THEY really want to push those AI AGENTS down our throats... Freaking weirdos. FUCK MICROSOFT.
- tzs 10mo agoSo what does it do? In the discussion yesterday no one covered that. From what this article says it is an app (which fits with how it is displayed in the screenshot), which suggests you would need to choose to open it to actually have it do anything.
- Smar 10mo agoIt should at least do its core function: collect data.
- amanzi 10mo agoI have an LG TV purchased about 3 years ago. It had a bunch of "AI" features from day one, but mostly related to improving the picture quality dynamically based on what's on the screen. I disabled all of that stuff, so I guess I'll be disabling this too. The LG software is horrible on this TV. Great picture quality, but I would never recommend an LG TV just because of the software.
- pfych 10mo agoIt's crazy to read this because I came from a Samsung TV/Display - LG Software is so much better than that! Really wish we'd get dumb displays with these great panels :(
- jojobas 10mo agoSo far nothing prevents you from spending $100 to set up LibreElec on an RPi and leave the TV offline and dumb.
- SV_BubbleTime 10mo agoThis is what I do, but… Kodi sure seems like it is on the downhill. Multiple things don’t work for me like HDR for one example. I’m looking to see what I would get or lose with Apple TV or some Plex/JellyFin/other player with less baggage.
- hapticmonkey 10mo agoDoes that work with the DRM from streaming apps, though? Can you get 4K and atmos with Netflix or Disney+ with that hardware? And an easy remote and UI?
- jojobas 10mo agoElementum to the rescue, all atmos/4k you can find.
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- yunnpp 10mo agoThe worm propagates without human interaction. I only wish my systems to defecate its corpse soon.
- dev1ycan 10mo agoI recently bought a $250 Zojurishi rice cooker because I wanted quality, durability and no "trade offs" I am going to start buying more and more Japanese electronics if US and South Korean companies keep colluding with each other in inserting garbage. Samsung is already preloading intelligence service software and "365 copilot" into their phones to trick old people into paying for a subscription to open a PDF (it sets itself as a default app). At this point it's a war against the consumer. And it's not just this, they are slowly phasing out consumer hardware (GPU price increase, RAM, non NVME SSDs, etc.) in an effort to make hardware ownership impossible thus creating a "Market" for the post bubble burst of AI where they will be renting out PC hardware (all these datacenters that they are building which will be useless). This is US led and also conveniently both the US and South Korea are involved, as they shut down China (both GPUs and RAM manufacturers in China were blacklisted). It's not a coincidence, I Imagine the threats of potential tariffs if they do not comply does not help with their "independent thinking".
- hyperadvanced 10mo agoIronically, Apple stands apart from basically all of these trends. We will see if they profit or perish because of it.
- qwerpy 10mo agoSony TVs are not much better, I had to do quite a bit of work to de-Google mine. This was years ago, I'm sure it's even worse now.
- luxuryballs 10mo agoI have an OLED from them that’s 5 years old or so now, I have never once updated it or used any of the software beyond switching inputs and screen/color settings. It’s sad if it sounds like it’s getting to the point where you can’t just use a screen as a dumb screen as an option, I never minded smart features… as long as I never had to use them.
- wantlotsofcurry 10mo agoI've had an LG tv for a couple years. I was previously able to use LG's THINQ app on my phone like a remote to operate the tv. A couple days ago I went in the app to use the remote and the feature had been totally locked behind the "access local networks & devices" permission... This permission was never needed in the past 3 years yet now it's necessary for the same functionality. So, I disconnected the TV from the internet, uninstalled the app, and bought an Apple TV 3rd gen. LG TV quality is great but their software is unbearable.
- eklavya 10mo agoI am surprised it wasn't needed till now. This needs a lan connection and definitely will need access to local networks.
- roblabla 10mo agoWouldn't it make sense for a remote control to need to access local network & devices? Like, without this permission, the only way the controller would work is through a cloud service, so I would personally be pretty happy to discover the app requests this permission, as it would likely mean the app will keep working when LG inevitably shuts down their cloud server...
- malfist 10mo agoYou're giving a lot of charity to LG. They're probably trying to fingerprint people with the extra permissions
- pabs3 10mo agoI wonder if it is possible to install a standard Linux distro on LG TVs. There is KDE Plasma Bigscreen for a TV-like experience on such distros. https://plasma-bigscreen.org/ https://plasma-bigscreen.org/ If not, there are some webOS exploits on this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/Exploits https://wiki.debian.org/Exploits Hopefully the Vizio lawsuit will mean the right to repair software comes to TVs more easily. https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html
- reactordev 10mo agoYou can absolutely jailbreak them and install whatever
- KetoManx64 10mo ago*If you have one that hasn't updated itself since last year.
- dsp_person 10mo agoYa I regret updating mine. The UI both significantly slowed down, and lost the chance to root :(
- reactordev 10mo agoI just rooted one that was updated last week. Never say never. Just search for faultmanager... though it is a cat and mouse game
- dsp_person 10mo agoI'm on webOS24 with 23.20.68, and CanI.RootMy.TV says it was patched in 23.20.68
- anal_reactor 10mo agoIt boggles my mind why anyone would update anything in 2025. Most products are shipped with full feature set and then updates ensure enshittification. The security argument doesn't apply because classic hacks rarely happen, it's mostly social engineering.
- option 10mo agoTell you everything about how MS co-pilot is useful.
- akomtu 10mo agoSadly, the only thing that AI really excels at is: AI spyware + AI slop generator (ads).
- sangeeth96 10mo agoFor similar reasons many years back when I broke the bank for a G2, I decided to disconnect it forever. Besides the always-on spyware, every update broke something, which is incredibly frustrating considering the amount I spent. For instance, I got a GX soundbar for free with the TV which worked fine for 1–2 months until some update borked it and made it glitch out randomly. To date, none of their updates seem to have fixed it. I now only connect it back to the web — if needed — once a year or so but even this needs plenty of careful research across the web to see if the update package breaks something else I take for granted. Hooking up an Apple TV 4K to this thing was the best decision I ever made and the sheer performance of this thing puts every TV vendor to shame. I would recommend everyone to do the same if they're already in the Apple ecosystem.
- boringg 10mo agoI agree ive hooked up apple tv to override the crappy subsidized smart tv built ins that spy on you. That works until apple changes leadership and new leadership starts significantly mining data and caring less about privacy. It will happen at some point, not on Cooks term but someone else im sure of it.
- kankerlijer 10mo agoIs it possible to use an LG without ever connecting it to the internet in the first place?
- netsharc 10mo agoMaybe related: I bought an LG TV in 2014 or so, I was interested in what its calls home communicated, so I MItM'ed it to capture the http (no s!) traffic. I never did bother to analyze the requests and responses.. But I got a newer LG model 2 years ago, I was still redirecting requests to LG's servers to a local web server (using DNS), but I guess due to https, the certificate checks failed and the attempts to call home failed. This meant that I never got asked to agree to the T&As. But of course many apps don't work..
- brokenmachine 10mo agoI've done that with both LG OLEDs that I've had.
- ChrisArchitect 10mo ago[dupe] Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46255335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46255335
- killerstorm 10mo agoFFS. When I bought LG OLED TV, it was quite snappy. A year later, it asked to update webOS. OK. Now we are crawling through molasses... All TV software seems appears to be an absolute fucking scam.
- Johanx64 10mo agoWhy are people still connecting their TVs to the internet? I thought this is already common wisdom for people in tech for decades to NEVER connect your TV to the internet, not even once.
- dsp_person 10mo agoit's pretty tempting when it's one of the few ways to watch 4k netflix and the likes
- entrox 10mo agoHow is this my fault as customer? This a predatory practice in tech. I work in automotive, the hoops you have to jump through in order to push a SW update are enormous. One of the first rules is: if the owner of the vehicle does not consent to an OTA update, you're out of luck. The industry is obviously unable to self-regulate, so it is time for an external regulator, e.g. the EU, to jump in and mandate that SW updates cannot be applied without explicit consent and an explicit explanation of what is being changed. Of course, security updates must be maintained separately from feature updates like this. As a consumer, I always want the latter, rarely do I want the former. My device, my choice.
- nirav72 10mo agoThis is clippy’s revenge on the world.
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- drnick1 10mo agoPut your "smart" TV behind a Linux HTPC or a free/libre Android ROM and never, ever allow it to communicate over the Internet.
- goku12 10mo ago> ... and never, ever allow it to communicate over the Internet. I'm pretty sure they're working on solving that problem.
- aembleton 10mo agoDoubt it, 99% of consumers will connect it to the internet. The remaining 1% will be blocking ads everywhere making the data rather useless and potentially poisoned.
- goku12 10mo agoThat's what I'm talking about. They'll gradually make it harder to use it without going online. May be by increasing the bootup times. Eventually they'll remove that option altogether. Isn't that what happened with Windows login? We can also expect them to add RF devices like 6G modems as they become more common. These corporations aren't going to leave that choice to you.
- drnick1 10mo agoThe choice is not to buy those devices if it comes to that. Car manufacturers also do similar things (onboard 4G/5G modem), and one solution (other than driving an old car) is to disconnect the cellular modem. Of course the issue is that few people know there is one in their cars in the first place, so they are unknowingly snooped on.
- goku12 10mo agoThat works if you can convince everyone to follow your advice. I try to do that by doling out advises, making a fool of myself at every opportunity. But the companies are much better at gaslighting the consumers into submission. For example, remember how a shadow organization funded by auto manufacturers tried to get people to vote no on opening up the vehicle diagnostics bus to the owners and 3rd party repair shops? They pushed the narrative that opening it up would make you an easy target for sex predators! They ran a bunch of very scary ads based on that plot. They were playing with the people's emotions and insecurities. I think it failed because a massive lobby of ordinary people including Louis Rossmann did a much better job of convincing the people of the truth. However, it was a tough job and they'll have to repeat it endlessly against the attempts by the much wealthier industrialists. The fact is it's a losing game for us, simply because of the disparity in wealth between us and them. I wish we had more power on our side. I don't know what to do without it.
- dankwizard 10mo agoThank god, the sooner we start to appreciate the wide spread adoption of AI the sooner we can start being more productive. A TV is the perfect place to introduce AI in terms of giving me content I should actually enjoy, and answering any questions I may have about what I'm watching. Kudos to LG for being the first.
- kaftoy 10mo agoSure, but there is a prioritization system involved where the highest payer gets pushed first. So the AI may detemine you like X, but if the buyer only showing Y, you'll get to see ads for Y and no X.
- jzacharia 10mo agoI'd pay triple for an LG "dumb" TV. This is outrageous.
- avidiax 10mo agoLook up signage displays. Only problem with them is that they may be overly industrial and missing things that consumers would want, like Dolby Vision.
- brokenmachine 10mo agoSurely if Copilot was so useful and great, it wouldn't be free and they wouldn't be trying to force it down unwilling people's throats at every opportunity. I'm beginning to think this AI stuff isn't all it's cracked up to be...
- wseqyrku 10mo ago> useful That's not even the endgoal they are aiming at. Suppose you have a data churning loop you want to run forever. First step is to send a copy everywhere (anywhere) and in whatever shape and form to feast. Otherwise it just sits there looking at the nuclear plant next door.
- codebolt 10mo agoI've been a heavy user of the MS Copilot chat app on my Android phone, which I've been pretty happy with as a free basic AI chat option except for some annoying GUI bugs that they will apparently never get around to fixing. But I've yet to see a good use outside of the chat interface.
- Mountain_Skies 10mo agoReminds me of Amazon discovering most people don't use Alexa for much beyond setting cooking timers.
- brokenmachine 10mo agoAnd how much of your cold hard cash would you be willing to lay down for the free basic AI chat, when they decide they actually want a return from their trillion dollar data center investments?
- thatgerhard 10mo agoits so that they can tell the investors that "100 million" people use their bs
- nitwit005 10mo agoI'm not confident they have any sensible vision beyond "meet the KPI for Copilot usage".
- t_sea 10mo agoMy TV only gets internet access when there is a firmware update I care about
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- QuantumFunnel 10mo agoAnd this is exactly why I never connect my TV to wifi
- arjie 10mo agoIt could be worse. You could have Alexa on your Samsung OLED TV that triggers in response to something random you say while watching your TV then self-cancels but leaves the TV in a no-audio state until you power-cycle it (standby to live will not suffice).
- animuchan 10mo agoOh I know this bug! Happens with their own Bixby assistant too. (Either Samsung dropped the ball on quality in the last 5-10 years, or I just started to pay attention, but the desire to throw this garbage in the bin is real.)
- mhitza 10mo agoGoogle Meet comes by default on some Samsung TV, cannot be deleted, or disabled, and neither can the microphone permission be remove from it. Smart TVs, more like Spy TVs today.
- qwerpy 10mo agoYears ago my Sony TV came with Google Assistant enabled, and when I disabled it, it nagged me for a long time to turn it back on until I installed some launcher that finally shut off all the nags and full screen ads. The biggest button on the remote is Google Assistant and I have to keep a careful eye on whoever's using it so that they don't accidentally re-enable it.
- Tor3 10mo agoCover the button in epoxy..
- animuchan 10mo agoOh this is perfect, one less vendor to ever consider.
- Animats 10mo agoIs it always listening? If not now, can it be changed to always be listening by a remote update? Can that update be selectively sent to certain users? Who controls which users? It sees you when you're sleeping. It knows when you're awake. It knows if you've been bad or good So be good for goodness sake.
- b3lvedere 10mo agoIt knows your internet behaviour and sends it to its masters. Its masters sell that data to anyone who wants it. Anyone will judge you.
- GreenVulpine 10mo agoNever connect a smart TV to the internet. That's how they get you.
- Kapura 10mo agoSmart TVs are maybe the dumbest product innovation of my lifetime. Ruining a perfectly good appliance with the addition of software. In 2025 it's literally a luxury experience to deal with computer bs less.
- mrweasel 10mo agoAt first I was going to disagree, because having the compute built into the TV makes some sense, but thinking about it made me change my mind. A modern TV has a lifetime of 15 - 20 years I think. E.g. my in-laws have a Sony TV, from around 2012 - 2013. It's not 4K obviously, but the picture is beautiful, the sound perfectly fills their small living room, it's a great TV. Even considering that Sony did skimp on the compute in that TV from the start, there's no way that they could have put in hardware that would future proof it until 2030 or beyond. Nor could they reasonably charge enough to cover software updates for that long. It makes much more sense to have a replaceable external unit.
- aembleton 10mo agoFortunately you can still by an external unit and plug it in
- jwr 10mo agoAs a reminder if you own an LG TV, turn off the sneakily named "Live Plus" thing. This "option" makes your LG TV spy on you, tracking and reporting what you watch based on the image that is shown on the TV. You need to go to Settings -> All Settings -> General -> System -> Additional Settings to make sure the "Live Plus" option is OFF. Check it periodically, as it sometimes turns itself back on again after updates. The enshittification of our world is beyond words.
- b3lvedere 10mo ago"Check it periodically, as it sometimes turns itself back on again after updates." Ah, so exactly like Microsoft Windows operating systems behave.
- smartbit 10mo agoAnd iOS / iPadOS for that matter, after every update 1. go to Settings -> Account -> iCloud -> See All and verify all are Off. 2. go to Storage, for each listed select ’Delete Data from iCloud’
- rkomorn 10mo agoSaw this post this morning before getting on a plane and saved the tab open so I'd do it first thing when I got home. Done. Thanks for the tip. :)
- kburman 10mo agoMy rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only mainstream option where the hardware cost covers the experience, rather than your viewing habits subsidizing the device.
- mschuster91 10mo agoChromecast hardware wasn't ever sold at a loss, AFAIK. These things were/are pretty pricey for being long-outdated SoCs equivalent to low range smartphone SoCs and a HDMI driver chip.
- funnythat36 10mo agoThis
- gspr 10mo ago> My rule for modern TVs: > 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. A sensible rule, indeed. Next level of dystopia: cellular modems becoming so cheap that every TV, fridge and washing machine comes with one that connects it to the Internet whether you like it or not. And then when we Faraday cage those, the device refuses to function. Laws need to keep up and ban this shit outright. It sounds exactly like something that the EU could help with.
- stuaxo 10mo agoWhat a shame, they run webOS is which is really interesting on these, though LG continues to implement the most anti consumer things they can think of.
- simooooo 10mo agoTrying to adjust the brightness on an OLED model is a journey
- egorfine 10mo agoOf course it can't be deleted. They need to force induce AI demand to pump up the dashboards for shareholders. Thus they are converting every possible input line in the world into AI inputs. Do you think they redesigned Windows Run dialog[1] out of the blue just for fun? [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1pe93r2/after_30_years_microsoft_is_redesigning_the_run/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1pe93r2/after_30...
- Angostura 10mo agoHuge shame. I have an LG running WebOS that I bought in 2012 and is still going strong and receiving updates (well, it received one last year, but not this one). I was always impressed with how unshittified it was, and knew that when I got another TV it would be a WebOS LG. Now this :(
- everdrive 10mo agoMy decision never to buy a smart TV just keeps paying off.
- szszrk 10mo agoCan you buy a generic TV nowadays? All that I have available in typical stores are smart TVs. The rest is some display panels meant for commercial installations (like big ad screens, multiple, working as one), which are only available online at a premium price.
- everdrive 10mo agoYes, but they can be a bit tricky to find. You can find them used. You can use a computer monitor. Ultimately, I'm planning for a world where the technological decline continues (ie, technology continues to be something which its users do not own or control) and things like adblock just don't work anymore. When that finally happens, I'm honestly going to be watching DVDs, VHS, reading books, etc. This is a game of cat and mouse and if I'm pushed far enough I'm just going to check out of the system completely. TV is not so valuable that I'm going to let some sleazy company push me around.
- szszrk 10mo ago> Yes, but they can be a bit tricky to find. You can find them used. You can use a computer monitor. Sir, that's basically a no. A TV is a specific device. It has many functions that TV monitor seldom has, or implements poorly. Like speakers. Or rich inputs and outputs, like multiple hdmi and antenna. Or a proper remote, a dvb-t tuner. Or play media on it's own when connected via USB. Or DLNA (I had devices far from modern smart-tv that could do that, in the past). Monitor or panel can mimic some of this, with effort on your side, but not really.
- everdrive 10mo agoYou use use cases will vary, but I'll bet what 90% of people do can be duplicated with a laptop or an Apple TV.
- tjpnz 10mo agoSmall data point: I brought a Sony Android TV in 2023 which doesn't have any of the annoyances I keep reading about here. Made in Japan for the Japanese market, haven't seen a single ad and it predates my use of AdGuard DNS. Whether this is a regional or Sony thing I'm not sure.
- kotaKat 10mo agoCan Microsoft stop raping users by forcing itself upon us at every single turn with these AI products? I'm getting sick of feeling so slimy and used.
- CodeCompost 10mo agoDoes LG have a customer feedback page or anything similar?
- nticompass 10mo agoEven if they do, I'd assume they wouldn't read any of that feedback and just keep doing what they are doing anyway.
- Xiol32 10mo agohttps://www.lg.com/uk/support/contact-us/share-your-voice-with-the-lg-president/ https://www.lg.com/uk/support/contact-us/share-your-voice-wi... Assume there is similar for other countries, though I can't see this being of any use whatsoever.
- 21asdffdsa12 10mo agoI would pay money to be spare from all that product market manager hysteria..
- andysinclair 10mo agoI am still using my ancient Pioneer plasma and dreading the day it dies. Any recommendations for a ≈42 inch dumb screen replacement for when that day arrives?
- derelicta 10mo agoI can't wait for my refrigerator to come preinstalled with chatgpt. Imagine all the possibilities!
- butlike 10mo agoYou can get a 55" Dell monitor for ~$1300. Maybe its time to just buy monitors with surround sound systems/soundbars.
- vivzkestrel 10mo agosoon microsoft ll install copilot on your smart geyser, what ll ya do about it?
- mdavid626 10mo agoRoot it my friends, before it’s too late. Disable automatic updates immediately afterward.
- wasmainiac 10mo agoI never connected my smart tvs to the internet. I buy the cheapest TV (at the size I want) and connect an old laptop, lid closed, and a cheap mini keyboard. It does everything I want, never updates itself with unwanted features and never shows me ads. Been doing this for 10 years, why would anyone actually want a smart tv.
- richwater 10mo agoThe problem is this doesn't really work anymore with Widevine protected content. You are not getting Widevine L1 protected content through Windows or other type of home desktop operating system. Even without L1 content, platforms like Youtube won't serve 5.1 surround unless it's through an app and not the browser. I'm not saying you need a smart TV, but if you want to get the content you're actually paying for via Netflix, HBO etc in the highest quality they offer, you'll need to fork over money for a device with dedicated hardware
- wasmainiac 10mo agoI’ve never had those issues. Most I’ve ever had to do enable DRM on my browser. Yeah I don’t use surround sound in my living room, but my Linux box in my office supports it, so I don’t see why not. Even if that were unsupported I would it get an external Apple TV or chrome stick. There is still no reason to have a smart tv.
- maxglute 10mo agoAre there ven OLED panels without smartTV compute?
- qnleigh 10mo agoThankfully I've yet to see a 'smart projector.' Highly recommend as a replacement for a standard TV; much bigger screen size, more portable, more 'cinema feel,' plus it can't connect to WiFi even if you wanted it to.
- okanat 10mo agoLG and BENQ has quite some smart ones. They have a custom OS called WebOS. Actually you can only get non-smart ones only if you buy commercial projectors. https://www.lg.com/us/projectors https://www.lg.com/us/projectors
- dododge 10mo agoI think generally as you move up in quality/performance the app stuff drops away. Epson for example has a bunch of sub-$1500 "streaming" projectors, but as you move up into the more purpose-built "home theater" models that quickly disappears in favor of things like higher contrast levels and motorized lens/shift memory.
- preisschild 10mo ago> more 'cinema feel,' Until you've had the experience of a large (>77" WOLED Panel). They are just great.