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After Windows Update, Password icon invisible, click where it used to be

217 points by zdw 11mo ago

throwaway48476 11mo ago
In other news, 500 million PCs declined to 'upgrade' to 11.
- j3th9n 11mo ago
  setup.exe /product server
  - j3th9n 11mo ago
    why the downvote haha, must be someone from microsoft
- HlessClaudesman 11mo ago
  Like a dog shaking fleas, Microsoft seeks to concentrate on paying customers, leaving granny to fend for herself in a world full of scams and misinformation.
  - nine_k 11mo ago
    Steam should start packaging small productivity software. More seriously, the granny might actually be better served by a Chromebook.
    - throwaway48476 11mo ago
      Google is killing ChromeOS.
      - DANmode 11mo ago
        For Android Desktop.
  - jay_kyburz 11mo ago
    Really? They nagged and nagged and nagged and nagged me until I finally upgraded.
mrweasel 11mo ago
The password icon being invisible is just funny. Some of the other issues are actually problematic, as they may interfere with some workflows. However if you go to the December 1. (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/december-1-2025-kb5070311-os-builds-26200-7309-and-26100-7309-preview-5cd455bf-3291-47fa-b0bf-e5f60d0ea7af https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/december-1-2025-kb...) the icon is still missing. How hard is that to fix? Aren't they using CoPilot? Just ask it to fix the invisible icon. Probably not a priority.
- medwards666 11mo ago
  > How hard is that to fix? Aren't they using CoPilot? Just ask it to fix the invisible icon. They would, but no-one in the development team are able to log into their PCs due to no longer being able to locate the password icon ...
- magackame 11mo ago
  > How hard is that to fix? Aren't they using CoPilot? Just ask it to fix the invisible icon. Maybe that's the problem? Imagine a Microsoft employee allowed to program only by using a CoPilot prompt, screaming and begging to just apply a patch he already written without touching anything else :D
  - LiamPowell 11mo ago
    This might not be too far from what's happening. In the dotnet repos you can see MS employees constantly fighting it across hundreds of PRs: https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/120637 https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/120637
    - GoblinSlayer 11mo ago
      Came for programming, became a shepherd, awesome career.
    - gruez 11mo ago
      https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/120637#discussion_r2423282720 https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/120637#discussion_r24... lmao. They had an AI create a PR, then a human to review it, but then the human ended up using another AI to review the original AI.
vijucat 11mo ago
It's become a universal truth that you should probably not upgrade to the latest and non-greatest version of ANYTHING these days. Not Android, not Windows, not iOS, not macOS. It's just embarrassing how companies with market caps sometimes above $1T produce workslop. I use Windows Update Blocker on Windows 10 to keep it "protected" from upgrades (!). I can see that critical security updates are occurring despite this, so it's a good compromise. For now. When Windows 12 is announced, Windows 11 may finally be usable.
- jerriep 11mo ago
  > When Windows 12 is announced, Windows 11 may finally be usable. I think it will still be objectively bad. But maybe compared to Windows 12, it will seem good.
  - FridayoLeary 11mo ago
    They say every second version of windows is bad. 8 was so bad they skipped straight to 10. But given the current priorities of Windows i'm not holding my breath. They seem to have abandoned the idea that "things should work" as a key principle. 10 was around for an extraordinarily long time but 11 has very few good ideas.
    - timpera 11mo ago
      Windows 11 is pretty great though, it keeps all the good ideas from 10 and improves on them. I don't get the hate.
      - heisgone 11mo ago
        23H2 was pretty close to being solid and stable but 24H2 has been a disaster.
      - doubled112 11mo ago
        It's a buggy mess that harasses you. I understand the hate. This morning I got three screens asking if I wanted to log in and configure backup. There is still not an option to say no, only ask me later. Last week the top half of the taskbar disappeared for an evening.
emsign 11mo ago
Can't wait for my new SSD to arrive, then it's finally Goodbye Windows, Hello again, Linux.
- binkHN 11mo ago
  I did this just recently; Windows is now adware and no longer in your best interests.
- QuadrupleA 11mo ago
  Moved to Arch 6+ months ago after 25+ years in Windows, it's been SO nice. My computer belongs to me again, lightning fast, no ads and BS every update, no 500 background processes. Definitely took some setup work - I have a lot of scripts and custom tools. But so worth it! Happy trails.
kotaKat 11mo ago
This makes sense. The Windows Insiders are so glazed over they probably don’t even use passwords to log in — they’re too lost in the “free QA for Microsoft” sauce.
lionkor 11mo ago
Copilot is on the job to fix it already!
- mrweasel 11mo ago
  Fixing an invisible icon is a four month CoPilot job? It's been broken since August.
  - lionkor 11mo ago
    Yes, we just have to wait until the random word generator hits the right combination of words to fix this. Can't be long now! It's being motivated with billions of dollars, after all.
    - blazinglyfast 11mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
- amelius 11mo ago
  LLMs can't see icons.
steve1977 11mo ago
Microsoft: if you're eating your own dog food and use Copilot etc. to develop Windows, please stop. If you're not using it (why not?), please start.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 11mo ago
  Do they have any employees left capable of writing code without it?
  - deleted 11mo ago
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Traubenfuchs 11mo ago
Did Microsoft just completely give up on QA in the name of accelerated slop delivery? They are in the news once a month for a serious windows bug. My disdain for windows id getting immense, at this point I'd rather have a linux computer, if I can't have a macbook. (But don't get me started on OSX & iOS, which are also total messes)
- eitland 11mo ago
  Didn't MS fire most of the QA people together with the translation people a few years ago? Or is that just a rumor that many of us fall for because it seems like a great explanation of what we see?
  - Traubenfuchs 11mo ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20557488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20557488 looks like it
  - netruk44 11mo ago
    They laid off SDETs circa 2014 (I was one). I don’t think Windows ever had QA people, but it did have automated testing and dedicated people to write and monitor those tests, then file bugs if something broke. But not anymore since 2014. These days, the only testing any release of Windows gets is from Microsoft employees (Dev/PM) and Windows Insiders. They have rules of how many hours of self-hosting are required before they can release, but that’s the only requirement. That there exists telemetry of it running. You might see a gap with that testing methodology, but it might also explain how things like this happen. If it’s a bug that doesn’t prevent boot, it’s easy to ignore. (I knew a few devs who would just put builds of windows on one of their computers and play a 72 hour long video of a black screen on repeat to get self hosting hours. Then they would proceed with their feature release. And nobody saw any problem with that.)
    - sumtechguy 11mo ago
      MS needs a 'windows xp sp2' moment. Where they stop jamming new things in and just fix as much junk as possible. They still have a mixed control panel situation. Things just randomly work/break for no real reason. Camera here one day gone the next oh look its back again. Hey my sound is broken again. Linux/MacOS in many benchmarks is faster. Hundreds of old programs now just flake out for random reasons. But then will work again sometimes. Backwards compat is a reason to stick with them. But if it doesnt work, why am I here? SteamOS is going to remove one of the large reasons people keep windows. MS is losing the people who cared about using them. Those people are migrating to linux/macos. I dont blame em.
smartmic 11mo ago
Expanding the "Gradual rollout" section is … interesting. I could hardly read it, let alone understand it straight away. For me a clear indicator that I am trying to ingest AI generated content. It's so embarrasing - is quality in documentation now a foreign concept in the age of AI, or does nobody simply care?
- alternatex 11mo ago
  No one cares? I am confident someone got a promotion out of AI automating that. It is the metric being tracked in performance reviews. What is not tracked is how the readers experience it, so no point in putting effort into that. Bottom line is employees do what they're incentivised to do.
avazhi 11mo ago
Man. I’d pay actual money to be able to just install security updates and nothing else indefinitely for this pile of shit. Really does suck that 90% of my workflow on my Windows PC remains Windows-only.
- majkinetor 11mo ago
  You don't have to pay anything. Select security updates using this app: https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr
  - avazhi 11mo ago
    Unfortunately, as I have a 12700 I’m forced to use windows 11 and downgrading to W10 is not an option. At this point I’ve literally just disabled updates completely. Firefox + uBlock origin + noscript is gonna have to get me by on that machine for now.
    - majkinetor 11mo ago
      It works on W11.
    - CamperBob2 11mo ago
      What? 12700 CPUs work just fine on Windows 10.
  - jfindper 11mo ago
    If you care about security, you're shouldn't be downloading some random dudes update manager with the last release being in 2019.
    - majkinetor 11mo ago
      First, not a random dude. Second, it's open source. You and your AI army can inspect the code if you wish. The same is true for literary every other software, so I don't see a point you are making.
pjs_ 11mo ago
And? Writing software at scale is incredibly hard. Where is the empathy for MS devs who are sprinting every day to give us an awesome product
- AlexandrB 11mo ago
  Still waiting for the awesome product. Last time they shipped one was in 2009.
  - PunchyHamster 11mo ago
    was that year where they added \n support to notepad ?
- stack_framer 11mo ago
  > Where is the empathy for MS devs It's right there, next to the empathy they have for their paying customers.
- Telaneo 11mo ago
  /s
vel0city 11mo ago
I mean this is a Preview release right? Essentially a beta? Are we surprised there are bugs in a beta release?
officerk 11mo ago
Does it matter? It's designed to be used only by by AI agents anyway.
kissgyorgy 11mo ago
But hey! At least these four AI components made it in, so the important stuff is okay...
kachapopopow 11mo ago
For anyone that does not want to switch to linux LTSC is a good alternative to avoid issues like these: https://github.com/massgravel/massgrave.dev/blob/main/docs/windows_ltsc_links.md https://github.com/massgravel/massgrave.dev/blob/main/docs/w... I recommend IoT Enterprise LTSC and you can use https://get.activated.win https://get.activated.win to activate it. If you are using it in a business setting it's $30/month per license (there are unfortunately no non subscription licenses for windows 11 IoT). Alternatively you can install AtlasOS and disable automatic updates and rely on maintaining a strong firewall or/and switching every application to run sandboxed using sandboxie for security. Take note that for an average person you can run without updates as long as your computing device never leaves your home and your local network / networks you trust, use external tool for driver updates.
- mapontosevenths 11mo ago
  I feel like if you're going to use LTSC there is no point in using 11. Windows 10 LTSC will still get updates for years, and uses less than half the resources that 11 does.
  - kachapopopow 11mo ago
    it's also using the exact same kernel, the only difference is explorer.exe and default apps funny enough. But I have to admit that the file explorer (not to be confused with explorer.exe the desktop), is nicer with the new tab functionality.
    - mapontosevenths 11mo ago
      I know it's subjective, but I care less about the tabs and more about the missing right click options. I'm also annoyed that 11's explorer uses literally double the memory to perform the same function with less options. I know you can add the missing right click options back. I just shouldn't have to.
      - mapontosevenths 11mo ago
AshleysBrain 11mo ago
Perhaps someone with good with reverse engineering skills could figure out what went wrong here - it might be amusing...
butz 11mo ago
A computer without Windows is like a fish without a bicycle.
alsetmusic 11mo ago
I mean, shouldn't we all be encouraging people to hit Enter or Return? No need to click blindly if we just use keyboard input properly. Unless the form doesn't correctly respond to those keys… dunno if that's the case or not.
kgwxd 11mo ago
Roblox was the last thing keeping my Windows 11 partition alive. Today, I found Sober that runs the Android Version on Linux. Took no effort to install and feels just like the desktop windows version using KBM. Goodbye forever MS!
- JamesSwift 11mo ago
  Thats and minecraft are also holding me back. Well, technically my kids back. I was worried about it being janky, but you think its just as good?
  - krior 11mo ago
    is there anything that prevents them from using the java-version?
    - JamesSwift 11mo ago
      Yeah, they play bedrock
      - wetpaws 11mo ago
        Why don't they switch to java?
  - kgwxd 11mo ago
    Minecraft was what originally triggered me to dual boot Linux. I couldn't run either version in Windows 11 without also signing into the MS store, so I decided Java version was better than nothing. My kid doesn't play much MC anymore, but if we do, we'll start a Java world next time.
  - magnetowasright 11mo ago
    I use MCPelauncher to play android bedrock minecraft on linux and use a controller. Jankiest part was having to resurrect a very old, deeply unused google account to buy the game, but as goes without saying, YMMV.
nickjj 11mo ago
Windows 10 has some really weird UI quirks. I have my taskbar set up to be the small view on the bottom but I have the double stacked time + date so I can always see what time it is and today's date. It does this without making the taskbar taller. 50% of the time when I reboot, the date disappears and re-appears on its own after some time (sometimes hours, sometimes days, even without another reboot). I'm taking 2 weeks off around Christmas and I'm absolutely dedicating some of those days to finally switch to native Linux to be control of my machine. I was trying for almost 10 years but was always road blocked on something not working. I think things are good enough now. I'll be making serious compromises on my video editing workflow but everything else is much better minus games with kernel level anti-cheat and I'm willing to take that hit.
- d3Xt3r 11mo ago
  > Windows 10 has some really weird UI quirks. Oh boy, wait till you see Windows 11's UI quriks.. They butchered the taskbar and replaced it with some cheap (presumably AI coded) imitation. Firstly, you can't move it to the top or sides. Okay, bottom taskbar I can live with.. but if you enable small icons and show all names - like how it used to be back in the day - it doesn't shrink the taskbar's height, so it ends up looking weirdly out-of-proportion. Even more weirder is this inexplicable blank space to the far-right (between the tray and where the taskbar buttons end), this space refuses to be used up even if my taskbar is full - sometime this space just expands for no reason, reducing the space available for the taskbar buttons by almost 50%! So 50% of the taskbar is blank, and the remaining buttons shrink and get shoved into the tiny tray overflow space, thereby almost killing the whole point of the taskbar. It's like, they don't want you to use the old title view any more and want to force you to use the icon-only, centered-taskbar...
cwillu 11mo ago
“[Print] To meet security goals and support new print capabilities, this update transitions Windows printing components from MSVCRT to a modern Universal C Runtime Library. As a result of this change, print clients running versions of Windows prior to Windows 10, version 2004 and Windows Server, version 2004 (Build number 19041) will intentionally fail to print to remote print servers running Windows 11, versions 24H2 or 25H2, and Windows Server 2025, that have installed this update, or later updates. Attempting to print from an unsupported print client to an updated print server will fail with one of the following errors: ” Wow.
- wrs 11mo ago
  You stopped quoting too soon; the best part is the error message that straight-up lies! “The printer driver is not installed on this computer.” Absolutely classic Windows right there.
  - cwillu 11mo ago
    I have a mild preference for leaving off part of the quote when a subset of the quote is sufficient to demonstrate my point, and the continuation will amplify it: it's a little reward for people who actually check the source material, and preempts anyone who might otherwise be tempted to accuse me of taking the quote out of context :D
- ddalex 11mo ago
  What happened to "always maintain compatibility" ?
  - jfindper 11mo ago
    Typically there's always been an implicit "unless the security risk is wild". Even though it's in-fashion to hate them, Microsoft has been pretty amazing at keeping compatibility. This one is pretty painful, but I really don't think they're doing it just to fuck with people or force you onto Windows 11 (as some people seem to think).
  - wolpoli 11mo ago
pwthornton 11mo ago
Maybe the should spend time less time and money on clanker slop and more on delivering for their paying customers?
- magnetowasright 11mo ago
  Their paying customers aren't end users, they're companies paying for in-OS advertising and telemetry/spyware data
1970-01-01 11mo ago
Somebody should be fired for that. There's no excuses. A nearly trillion dollar company can afford to pay to QA before release.
Grisu_FTP 11mo ago
Does this happen every time after the update or only sometimes? if it happens every time, how does that slip through? It would literally be noticed on the first test boot, no? also: "To remove the LCU after installing the combined SSU and LCU package, use the DISM/Remove-Package command line option with the LCU package name as the argument. You can find the package name by using this command: DISM /online /get-packages. Running Windows Update Standalone Installer (wusa.exe) with the /uninstall switch on the combined package will not work because the combined package contains the SSU. You cannot remove the SSU from the system after installation." Always these linux users wanting to fix everything in the terminal, luckily i dont need it to use (or install without internet/MS account) Windows at all :)

217 points by zdw 11mo ago

throwaway48476 11mo ago

In other news, 500 million PCs declined to 'upgrade' to 11.

j3th9n 11mo ago
setup.exe /product server
- j3th9n 11mo ago
  why the downvote haha, must be someone from microsoft
HlessClaudesman 11mo ago
Like a dog shaking fleas, Microsoft seeks to concentrate on paying customers, leaving granny to fend for herself in a world full of scams and misinformation.
- nine_k 11mo ago
  Steam should start packaging small productivity software. More seriously, the granny might actually be better served by a Chromebook.
  - throwaway48476 11mo ago
    Google is killing ChromeOS.
    - DANmode 11mo ago
      For Android Desktop.
- jay_kyburz 11mo ago
  Really? They nagged and nagged and nagged and nagged me until I finally upgraded.

mrweasel 11mo ago

The password icon being invisible is just funny. Some of the other issues are actually problematic, as they may interfere with some workflows. However if you go to the December 1. (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/december-1-2025-kb5070311-os-builds-26200-7309-and-26100-7309-preview-5cd455bf-3291-47fa-b0bf-e5f60d0ea7af https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/december-1-2025-kb...) the icon is still missing. How hard is that to fix? Aren't they using CoPilot? Just ask it to fix the invisible icon. Probably not a priority.

medwards666 11mo ago
> How hard is that to fix? Aren't they using CoPilot? Just ask it to fix the invisible icon. They would, but no-one in the development team are able to log into their PCs due to no longer being able to locate the password icon ...
magackame 11mo ago
> How hard is that to fix? Aren't they using CoPilot? Just ask it to fix the invisible icon. Maybe that's the problem? Imagine a Microsoft employee allowed to program only by using a CoPilot prompt, screaming and begging to just apply a patch he already written without touching anything else :D
- LiamPowell 11mo ago
  This might not be too far from what's happening. In the dotnet repos you can see MS employees constantly fighting it across hundreds of PRs: https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/120637 https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/120637
  - GoblinSlayer 11mo ago
    Came for programming, became a shepherd, awesome career.
  - gruez 11mo ago
    https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/120637#discussion_r2423282720 https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/120637#discussion_r24... lmao. They had an AI create a PR, then a human to review it, but then the human ended up using another AI to review the original AI.

vijucat 11mo ago

It's become a universal truth that you should probably not upgrade to the latest and non-greatest version of ANYTHING these days. Not Android, not Windows, not iOS, not macOS. It's just embarrassing how companies with market caps sometimes above $1T produce workslop. I use Windows Update Blocker on Windows 10 to keep it "protected" from upgrades (!). I can see that critical security updates are occurring despite this, so it's a good compromise. For now. When Windows 12 is announced, Windows 11 may finally be usable.

jerriep 11mo ago
> When Windows 12 is announced, Windows 11 may finally be usable. I think it will still be objectively bad. But maybe compared to Windows 12, it will seem good.
- FridayoLeary 11mo ago
  They say every second version of windows is bad. 8 was so bad they skipped straight to 10. But given the current priorities of Windows i'm not holding my breath. They seem to have abandoned the idea that "things should work" as a key principle. 10 was around for an extraordinarily long time but 11 has very few good ideas.
  - timpera 11mo ago
    Windows 11 is pretty great though, it keeps all the good ideas from 10 and improves on them. I don't get the hate.
    - heisgone 11mo ago
      23H2 was pretty close to being solid and stable but 24H2 has been a disaster.
    - doubled112 11mo ago
      It's a buggy mess that harasses you. I understand the hate. This morning I got three screens asking if I wanted to log in and configure backup. There is still not an option to say no, only ask me later. Last week the top half of the taskbar disappeared for an evening.

emsign 11mo ago

Can't wait for my new SSD to arrive, then it's finally Goodbye Windows, Hello again, Linux.

binkHN 11mo ago
I did this just recently; Windows is now adware and no longer in your best interests.
QuadrupleA 11mo ago
Moved to Arch 6+ months ago after 25+ years in Windows, it's been SO nice. My computer belongs to me again, lightning fast, no ads and BS every update, no 500 background processes. Definitely took some setup work - I have a lot of scripts and custom tools. But so worth it! Happy trails.

kotaKat 11mo ago

This makes sense. The Windows Insiders are so glazed over they probably don’t even use passwords to log in — they’re too lost in the “free QA for Microsoft” sauce.

lionkor 11mo ago

Copilot is on the job to fix it already!

mrweasel 11mo ago
Fixing an invisible icon is a four month CoPilot job? It's been broken since August.
- lionkor 11mo ago
  Yes, we just have to wait until the random word generator hits the right combination of words to fix this. Can't be long now! It's being motivated with billions of dollars, after all.
  - blazinglyfast 11mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem
amelius 11mo ago
LLMs can't see icons.

steve1977 11mo ago

Microsoft: if you're eating your own dog food and use Copilot etc. to develop Windows, please stop. If you're not using it (why not?), please start.

NoMoreNicksLeft 11mo ago
Do they have any employees left capable of writing code without it?
- deleted 11mo ago
  [deleted]

Traubenfuchs 11mo ago

Did Microsoft just completely give up on QA in the name of accelerated slop delivery? They are in the news once a month for a serious windows bug. My disdain for windows id getting immense, at this point I'd rather have a linux computer, if I can't have a macbook. (But don't get me started on OSX & iOS, which are also total messes)

eitland 11mo ago
Didn't MS fire most of the QA people together with the translation people a few years ago? Or is that just a rumor that many of us fall for because it seems like a great explanation of what we see?
- Traubenfuchs 11mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20557488 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20557488 looks like it
- netruk44 11mo ago
  They laid off SDETs circa 2014 (I was one). I don’t think Windows ever had QA people, but it did have automated testing and dedicated people to write and monitor those tests, then file bugs if something broke. But not anymore since 2014. These days, the only testing any release of Windows gets is from Microsoft employees (Dev/PM) and Windows Insiders. They have rules of how many hours of self-hosting are required before they can release, but that’s the only requirement. That there exists telemetry of it running. You might see a gap with that testing methodology, but it might also explain how things like this happen. If it’s a bug that doesn’t prevent boot, it’s easy to ignore. (I knew a few devs who would just put builds of windows on one of their computers and play a 72 hour long video of a black screen on repeat to get self hosting hours. Then they would proceed with their feature release. And nobody saw any problem with that.)
  - sumtechguy 11mo ago
    MS needs a 'windows xp sp2' moment. Where they stop jamming new things in and just fix as much junk as possible. They still have a mixed control panel situation. Things just randomly work/break for no real reason. Camera here one day gone the next oh look its back again. Hey my sound is broken again. Linux/MacOS in many benchmarks is faster. Hundreds of old programs now just flake out for random reasons. But then will work again sometimes. Backwards compat is a reason to stick with them. But if it doesnt work, why am I here? SteamOS is going to remove one of the large reasons people keep windows. MS is losing the people who cared about using them. Those people are migrating to linux/macos. I dont blame em.

smartmic 11mo ago

Expanding the "Gradual rollout" section is … interesting. I could hardly read it, let alone understand it straight away. For me a clear indicator that I am trying to ingest AI generated content. It's so embarrasing - is quality in documentation now a foreign concept in the age of AI, or does nobody simply care?

alternatex 11mo ago
No one cares? I am confident someone got a promotion out of AI automating that. It is the metric being tracked in performance reviews. What is not tracked is how the readers experience it, so no point in putting effort into that. Bottom line is employees do what they're incentivised to do.

avazhi 11mo ago

Man. I’d pay actual money to be able to just install security updates and nothing else indefinitely for this pile of shit. Really does suck that 90% of my workflow on my Windows PC remains Windows-only.

majkinetor 11mo ago
You don't have to pay anything. Select security updates using this app: https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr
- avazhi 11mo ago
  Unfortunately, as I have a 12700 I’m forced to use windows 11 and downgrading to W10 is not an option. At this point I’ve literally just disabled updates completely. Firefox + uBlock origin + noscript is gonna have to get me by on that machine for now.
  - majkinetor 11mo ago
    It works on W11.
  - CamperBob2 11mo ago
    What? 12700 CPUs work just fine on Windows 10.
- jfindper 11mo ago
  If you care about security, you're shouldn't be downloading some random dudes update manager with the last release being in 2019.
  - majkinetor 11mo ago
    First, not a random dude. Second, it's open source. You and your AI army can inspect the code if you wish. The same is true for literary every other software, so I don't see a point you are making.

pjs_ 11mo ago

And? Writing software at scale is incredibly hard. Where is the empathy for MS devs who are sprinting every day to give us an awesome product

AlexandrB 11mo ago
Still waiting for the awesome product. Last time they shipped one was in 2009.
- PunchyHamster 11mo ago
  was that year where they added \n support to notepad ?
stack_framer 11mo ago
> Where is the empathy for MS devs It's right there, next to the empathy they have for their paying customers.
Telaneo 11mo ago
/s

vel0city 11mo ago

I mean this is a Preview release right? Essentially a beta? Are we surprised there are bugs in a beta release?

officerk 11mo ago

Does it matter? It's designed to be used only by by AI agents anyway.

kissgyorgy 11mo ago

But hey! At least these four AI components made it in, so the important stuff is okay...

kachapopopow 11mo ago

For anyone that does not want to switch to linux LTSC is a good alternative to avoid issues like these: https://github.com/massgravel/massgrave.dev/blob/main/docs/windows_ltsc_links.md https://github.com/massgravel/massgrave.dev/blob/main/docs/w... I recommend IoT Enterprise LTSC and you can use https://get.activated.win https://get.activated.win to activate it. If you are using it in a business setting it's $30/month per license (there are unfortunately no non subscription licenses for windows 11 IoT). Alternatively you can install AtlasOS and disable automatic updates and rely on maintaining a strong firewall or/and switching every application to run sandboxed using sandboxie for security. Take note that for an average person you can run without updates as long as your computing device never leaves your home and your local network / networks you trust, use external tool for driver updates.

mapontosevenths 11mo ago
I feel like if you're going to use LTSC there is no point in using 11. Windows 10 LTSC will still get updates for years, and uses less than half the resources that 11 does.
- kachapopopow 11mo ago
  it's also using the exact same kernel, the only difference is explorer.exe and default apps funny enough. But I have to admit that the file explorer (not to be confused with explorer.exe the desktop), is nicer with the new tab functionality.
  - mapontosevenths 11mo ago
    I know it's subjective, but I care less about the tabs and more about the missing right click options. I'm also annoyed that 11's explorer uses literally double the memory to perform the same function with less options. I know you can add the missing right click options back. I just shouldn't have to.
    - mapontosevenths 11mo ago

AshleysBrain 11mo ago

Perhaps someone with good with reverse engineering skills could figure out what went wrong here - it might be amusing...

butz 11mo ago

A computer without Windows is like a fish without a bicycle.

alsetmusic 11mo ago

I mean, shouldn't we all be encouraging people to hit Enter or Return? No need to click blindly if we just use keyboard input properly. Unless the form doesn't correctly respond to those keys… dunno if that's the case or not.

kgwxd 11mo ago

Roblox was the last thing keeping my Windows 11 partition alive. Today, I found Sober that runs the Android Version on Linux. Took no effort to install and feels just like the desktop windows version using KBM. Goodbye forever MS!

JamesSwift 11mo ago
Thats and minecraft are also holding me back. Well, technically my kids back. I was worried about it being janky, but you think its just as good?
- krior 11mo ago
  is there anything that prevents them from using the java-version?
  - JamesSwift 11mo ago
    Yeah, they play bedrock
    - wetpaws 11mo ago
      Why don't they switch to java?
- kgwxd 11mo ago
  Minecraft was what originally triggered me to dual boot Linux. I couldn't run either version in Windows 11 without also signing into the MS store, so I decided Java version was better than nothing. My kid doesn't play much MC anymore, but if we do, we'll start a Java world next time.
- magnetowasright 11mo ago
  I use MCPelauncher to play android bedrock minecraft on linux and use a controller. Jankiest part was having to resurrect a very old, deeply unused google account to buy the game, but as goes without saying, YMMV.

nickjj 11mo ago

Windows 10 has some really weird UI quirks. I have my taskbar set up to be the small view on the bottom but I have the double stacked time + date so I can always see what time it is and today's date. It does this without making the taskbar taller. 50% of the time when I reboot, the date disappears and re-appears on its own after some time (sometimes hours, sometimes days, even without another reboot). I'm taking 2 weeks off around Christmas and I'm absolutely dedicating some of those days to finally switch to native Linux to be control of my machine. I was trying for almost 10 years but was always road blocked on something not working. I think things are good enough now. I'll be making serious compromises on my video editing workflow but everything else is much better minus games with kernel level anti-cheat and I'm willing to take that hit.

d3Xt3r 11mo ago
> Windows 10 has some really weird UI quirks. Oh boy, wait till you see Windows 11's UI quriks.. They butchered the taskbar and replaced it with some cheap (presumably AI coded) imitation. Firstly, you can't move it to the top or sides. Okay, bottom taskbar I can live with.. but if you enable small icons and show all names - like how it used to be back in the day - it doesn't shrink the taskbar's height, so it ends up looking weirdly out-of-proportion. Even more weirder is this inexplicable blank space to the far-right (between the tray and where the taskbar buttons end), this space refuses to be used up even if my taskbar is full - sometime this space just expands for no reason, reducing the space available for the taskbar buttons by almost 50%! So 50% of the taskbar is blank, and the remaining buttons shrink and get shoved into the tiny tray overflow space, thereby almost killing the whole point of the taskbar. It's like, they don't want you to use the old title view any more and want to force you to use the icon-only, centered-taskbar...

cwillu 11mo ago

“[Print] To meet security goals and support new print capabilities, this update transitions Windows printing components from MSVCRT to a modern Universal C Runtime Library. As a result of this change, print clients running versions of Windows prior to Windows 10, version 2004 and Windows Server, version 2004 (Build number 19041) will intentionally fail to print to remote print servers running Windows 11, versions 24H2 or 25H2, and Windows Server 2025, that have installed this update, or later updates. Attempting to print from an unsupported print client to an updated print server will fail with one of the following errors: ” Wow.

wrs 11mo ago
You stopped quoting too soon; the best part is the error message that straight-up lies! “The printer driver is not installed on this computer.” Absolutely classic Windows right there.
- cwillu 11mo ago
  I have a mild preference for leaving off part of the quote when a subset of the quote is sufficient to demonstrate my point, and the continuation will amplify it: it's a little reward for people who actually check the source material, and preempts anyone who might otherwise be tempted to accuse me of taking the quote out of context :D
ddalex 11mo ago
What happened to "always maintain compatibility" ?
- jfindper 11mo ago
  Typically there's always been an implicit "unless the security risk is wild". Even though it's in-fashion to hate them, Microsoft has been pretty amazing at keeping compatibility. This one is pretty painful, but I really don't think they're doing it just to fuck with people or force you onto Windows 11 (as some people seem to think).
- wolpoli 11mo ago

pwthornton 11mo ago

Maybe the should spend time less time and money on clanker slop and more on delivering for their paying customers?

magnetowasright 11mo ago
Their paying customers aren't end users, they're companies paying for in-OS advertising and telemetry/spyware data

1970-01-01 11mo ago

Somebody should be fired for that. There's no excuses. A nearly trillion dollar company can afford to pay to QA before release.

Grisu_FTP 11mo ago

Does this happen every time after the update or only sometimes? if it happens every time, how does that slip through? It would literally be noticed on the first test boot, no? also: "To remove the LCU after installing the combined SSU and LCU package, use the DISM/Remove-Package command line option with the LCU package name as the argument. You can find the package name by using this command: DISM /online /get-packages. Running Windows Update Standalone Installer (wusa.exe) with the /uninstall switch on the combined package will not work because the combined package contains the SSU. You cannot remove the SSU from the system after installation." Always these linux users wanting to fix everything in the terminal, luckily i dont need it to use (or install without internet/MS account) Windows at all :)