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AMD could enter ARM market with Sound Wave APU built on TSMC 3nm process
- mgh2 1y agoMore speculation?
- dwood_dev 1y agoMy guess from previous reporting on this, it was an experiment that might not ever be released. ARM isn't nearly as interesting given the strides both Intel and AMD have made with low power cores. Any scenario where SoundWave makes sense, using Zen-LP cores align better for AMD.
- spockz 1y agoIt is interesting for AMD because having a on-par ARM chip means they can keep selling chips when the rest of the market switch to ARM. This is largely driven by Apple and by the cloud providers wanting more efficient higher density chips. Apple isn’t going to switch back to AMD64 any time soon. Cloud providers will switch faster if X64 chips become really competitive again.
- codedokode 1y agoI am not sure if cloud providers want ARM - the most valuable resource is rack space, so you want to use the most powerful CPU, not the one using less energy.
- arjie 1y agoWell, Amazon does offer Graviton 4 (quite fast and useful stuff) along side their Epyc machines so there is some utility to them. A 9654 is much faster than a Graviton 4. EDIT: Haha, I was going off our workloads but hilariously there are some HPC-like workloads where benchmarks show the Graviton 4 smoking a 9654 https://www.phoronix.com/review/graviton4-96-core/4 https://www.phoronix.com/review/graviton4-96-core/4 I suppose ours must have been more like the rest of the benchmarks (which show the 9654 faster than the Epyc).
- Someone 1y agoCooling takes up rack space, too. There also are workloads that aren’t CPU constrained, but GPU or I/O constrained. On such systems, it’s better to spend your heat budget on other things than CPUs.
- pxeger1 1y ago> the most valuable resource is rack space I've always heard it's cooling capacity. I'm also pretty confident that's true
- friendzis 1y ago> the most valuable resource is rack space The limit is power capacity and quite often thermal. Newer DCs might be designed with larger thermal envelopes, however rack space is nearly meaningless once you exhaust thermal capacity of the rack/isle. Performance within thermal envelope is a very important consideration in datacenters. If a new server offers double performance at double power it is a viable upgrade path only for DCs that have that power reserve in the first place.
- imtringued 1y agoRack space limits include power limits. E.g. 10kw per rack.
- cmrdporcupine 1y agoAWS, Google, Hetzner all offer a discount if you use an ARM64 VPS. Clearly, they want them, because there's demonstrated power savings.
- dbdr 1y ago> given the strides both Intel and AMD have made with low power cores. Any pointers regarding that? How does the computing power to watts ratio look these days across major CPU architectures?
- Someone 1y agoThe page this article got its info from (https://www.ithome.com/0/889/173.htm https://www.ithome.com/0/889/173.htm) says (according to Safari’s translation): “IT Home News on October 13, @Olrak29_ found that the AMD processor code-named "Sound Wave" has appeared in the customs data list, confirming the company's processor development plan beyond the x86 architecture” I think that means they are planning to export parts. I think there still is some speculation involved as to what those parts are, and they might export them only for their own use, but is that likely?
- LarsDu88 1y agocough gaming device
- adrian_b 1y agoAMD makes laptop CPUs with good performance per power consumption ratio, but they are designed for high power consumptions, typically for 28 W, or at least for 15 W. AMD does not have any product that can compete with Intel's N-series or industrial Atom CPUs, which are designed for power consumptions of 6 W or of 10 W and AMD never had any Zen CPU for this power range. If the rumors about this "Sound Wave" are true, then AMD will finally begin to compete again in this range of TDP, a market that they have abandoned many years ago (since the AMD Jaguar and Puma CPUs), because all their resources were focused on designing Zen CPUs for higher TDPs. For cheap and low-power CPUs, the expensive x86-64 instruction decoder may matter, unlike for bigger CPUs, so choosing the Aarch64 ISA may be the right decision. Zen compact cores provide the best energy efficiency for laptops and servers, especially for computation-intensive tasks, but they are not appropriate for cheap low-power devices whose computational throughput is less important than other features. Zen compact cores are big in comparison with ARM Cortex-X4, Intel Darkmont or Qualcomm cores and their higher performance is not important for cheap low-power devices.
- overfeed 1y ago> AMD does not have any product that can compete with Intel's N-series or industrial Atom CPUs, which are designed for power consumptions of 6 W or of 10 W and AMD never had any Zen CPU for this power range A cursory search shows that the AMD APU used in the Valve Steam Deck draws 3-15W. Limiting the TDP to 6W on a Steam Deck is fine for Linux in desktop mode.
- adrian_b 1y agoThat is a custom APU made by AMD for a certain customer. It is not a device that AMD sells on the open market, so it does not compete with the ubiquitous Intel N-series CPUs or with the Arm-based CPUs from various vendors. Like I have said, since Jaguar and Puma, which are older than the first Zen, AMD has never sold on the open market any CPU/APU designed for a TDP of 10 W or less. While for some AMD APUs, like Ryzen Z1, which are designed for a TDP of 15 W, their specification says that they have a TDP that is configurable down to 9 W, when such CPUs are configured for a lower TDP than they are optimized for, they become inefficient, by having a bigger die area, i.e. a higher cost, and a lower energy efficiency, in comparison with the CPUs that have been specifically designed for that lower power.
- wmf 1y agoI don't see why Sound Wave would have any advantage, even efficiency, over a similar Zen 5/6 design. Microsoft must really want ARM if they're having this chip made.
- DeepYogurt 1y agoIt could just be a play to make sure there's a second source to qualcomm
- Findecanor 1y agoThe core count is relatively low though. 2P + 4E, whereas Snapdragon-X are 8 or 10 performance cores, indicating that this could be for a low-end tablet ... or game console?
- throawayonthe 1y agoit does say microsoft surface in the post
- DeathArrow 1y agoThey did countless attempts to use ARM but all failed. Consumers didn't care because they couldn't run their software. Microsoft won't solve the problem until they will provide a way to run all relevant software on ARM.
- debugnik 1y agoMicrosoft already designed a modified ARM ABI [1] compatible with emulated X86-64 just for this transition. But it's a Windows 11 feature. I wonder if the refusal of many of us to switch from Windows 10 is part of the reason why they're still idling on an ARM strategy. [1]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/arm64ec-abi https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/arm64ec-abi
- p_l 1y ago
- t312227 1y agohello, imho. (!) i think this would be great!! personally i totally understood why AMD gave up on its last attempt - the A1100 opterons - about 10 years ago in favor of the back then new ryzen architecture: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Opteron_processors#Opteron_A1100-series_%22Seattle%22_(28nm) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Opteron_processors... but what i would really like to see: an ARM soc/apu on an "open"*) (!) hardware-platform similar to the existing amd64 pc hardware. *) "open" as in: i'm able to boot whatever (vanilla) arm64 linux-distribution or other OS i want ... i have to add: i'm personally offended by the amount of tinkering of the firmware/boot-process which is necessary to get for example the raspberry pi 5 (or 4) to boot vanilla debian/arm64 ... ;) br, a..z ps. even if its a bit o.T. in this context, as a reminder a link to a slightly older article about an interview with jim keller about how ISA no longer matters that much ... "ARM or x86? ISA Doesn’t Matter" * https://chipsandcheese.com/p/arm-or-x86-isa-doesnt-matter https://chipsandcheese.com/p/arm-or-x86-isa-doesnt-matter
- jabl 1y ago> "ARM or x86? ISA Doesn’t Matter" > * https://chipsandcheese.com/p/arm-or-x86-isa-doesnt-matter https://chipsandcheese.com/p/arm-or-x86-isa-doesnt-matter Some people, for some strange reason, want to endlessly relitigate the old 1980'ies RISC vs CISC flamewars. Jim Kellers interview above is a good antidote for that. Yes, RISC vs CISC matters for something like a simple in-order core you might see in embedded systems. For a big OoO core, much less so. That doesn't mean you'd end up with x86 if you'd design a clean sheet 'best practices' ISA today. Probably it would indeed look something like aarch64 or RISC-V. So certainly in that sense RISC won. But the win isn't so overwhelming that it overcomes the value of the x86 software ecosystem in the markets where x86 plays.
- stevefan1999 1y agoLegendary Chip Architect, Jim Keller, Says AMD ‘Stupidly Cancelled’ K12 ARM CPU Project After He Left The Company: https://wccftech.com/legendary-chip-architect-jim-keller-says-amd-stupidly-cancelled-k12-arm-cpu-project-after-he-left-the-company/ https://wccftech.com/legendary-chip-architect-jim-keller-say... Could be a revival but for different purposes
- high_na_euv 1y agoFunny how some of his projects got cancelled like K12 at AMD or Royal Core at INTC and people always act like that was terrible decision, yet AMD is up like 100x on stock market and INTC... times gonna tell
- guerrilla 1y agoCult of personality... or maybe people just want cool stuff for fun.
- keyringlight 1y agoKeller himself credits the many people responsible for the contributing parts [0]. I think the general 'enthusiast' tech press and reporting likes hero figures and the simplicity it brings, even better when you can cast a good guy against a bad guy, and the background in this case would be AMD vs intel. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20210622032535/https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-with-jim-keller-laziest-person-at-tesla https://web.archive.org/web/20210622032535/https://www.anand...
- BirAdam 1y agoHumans inherently like having a narrative. When we discuss historical events, we typically want to have a clearly defined leader and/or visionary upon whom to pin events. Without this, our imaginations aren't as engaged, and therefore emotions aren't stirred. For example, the stories of early game companies are great because the teams were very small, a narrative can be written, and the product was fun. With modern games, budgets are massive, teams are massive, and things are often designed and approved by committee. The result can be beautiful and fun, but the story getting there isn't as entertaining.
- Findecanor 1y agoBTW. ChipsAndCheese has a recent article on MALL / Infinity Caches, evaluating it in the x86-based AMD Strix Halo APU: https://chipsandcheese.com/p/evaluating-the-infinity-cache-in https://chipsandcheese.com/p/evaluating-the-infinity-cache-i...
- arjie 1y agoWell, I'm eager to use it. For my home server I use an old power-hungry Epyc 7B13. It's overkill but it can run a lot of things (my blog, other software I use, my family's various pre-configured MCPs we use in Custom GPTs, rudimentary bioinformatics). The truth though is that I hate having to cross-compile from my M1 Mac to the x86_64 server. I would much rather just do an ARM to ARM platform cross-compile (way easier to do and much faster on the Orbstack container platform). So I went out looking for an ARM-based server of equivalent strength to a Mac Mini that I could find and there's really not that much out there. There's the Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite which is in only really one actual buyable thing (The Lenovo Ideacentre) and some vaporware Geekom or something product. But this thing doesn't have very good Linux support (it's built for ARM Windows apparently) and it's much costlier than some Apple Silicon running Asahi Linux. So I'm eventually going to end up with some M1 Ultra Studio or an M4 Mini running Asahi Linux, which seems like such a complete inversion of the days when people would make Hackintoshes.
- WorldPeas 1y agofingers crossed it'll eventually get a framework board
- monegator 1y agoI always wonder why nobody have never released a framework mainboard with rockchip. There is even one with a - very - slow RISC-V for OS developer FFS.
- extraduder_ire 1y agoEven a framework carrier board for pi-style compute modules. There's a few third parties that are close to drop-in replacements.
- Findecanor 1y agoIt would have to be integrated with other components in the laptop. The RISC-V mainboard was not made by DeepComputing alone. For Framework it was intended as a pilot study in these kinds of partnerships.
- rjsw 1y agoSomeone could plan to make a RK3688 laptop board for when the chip is released.
- jesperwe 1y agoSounds like a PERFECT chip for my next HomeAssistant box :-D - Low power when only idling through events from the radio networks - Low power and reasonable performance when classifying objects in a few video feeds. - Higher power and performance when occasionally doing STT/TTS and inference on a small local LLM
- nsbk 1y agoMy thoughts exactly! Although I may end up getting some Mini M1/M2 variant with Asahi Linux instead
- DeathArrow 1y agoLong time ago Intel predicted ARM won't be a big deal and they sold XScale to Marvell.
- DeathArrow 1y agoI'm curious what operating system will this run. Linux, Android, Windows?
- LogicHound 1y ago> The chip is expected to power future Microsoft Surface products scheduled for release in 2026. It looks like it is intended to run Windows Arm.
- shmerl 1y agoHardware shouldn't be limited to a single operating system.
- criticalfault 1y agoIf it was ordered by Microsoft and paid by Microsoft to be developed, fine. But, wouldn't it make more sense for amd to go into risc-v at this point of time?
- jmspring 1y agothere are two predominant architectures right now (right or wrong), amd64 and arm64. Why the F would amd invest in risc when their gpus are well above intel in specs and explain the biz market approach for risc...
- speed_spread 1y agoSo they don't have to pay for ARM licensing and have a chance to compete with the upcoming cheap and fast Chinese RISCV CPUs.
- darkamaul 1y agoBetter (or simply more) ARM processors, no matter who makes them, are a win. They tend to be far more power-efficient, and with performance-per-watt improving each generation, pushing for wider ARM adoption is a practical step toward lowering overall energy consumption.
- coffeebeqn 1y agoHow is running desktop Linux on these?
- hmlwilliams 1y agoI run desktop linux via postmarketOS on a Lenovo Duet 5 (Snapdragon 7c). It isn't the most powerful device and the webcam doesn't work but other than that it works well and battery life is excellent
- fransje26 1y ago> the webcam doesn't work But.. ..why? Of all things, I would have expected the webcam to not be cpu-related..
- avhception 1y agoIIRC, it's because the ARM designs tend to use camera modules that come from smartphone-land. Cameras used on x86-64 usually just work using that usb webcam standard driver (what is that called again? uvcvideo?). But these smartphone-land cameras don't adhere to that standard, they probably don't connect using USB. They are designed to be used with the SoC vendor's downstream fork of Android or whatever, using proprietary blobs.
- viraptor 1y agoA similar thing is happening in Intel land recently, where the cameras use ipu6 / ipu7 chips rather than dumping simple frames over USB. But this way we get a higher resolution / quality at least.
- spiderfarmer 1y agoI don't think I'm using x86 for anything anymore. All the PC's in my home are ARM, the phones are ARM, the TV's are ARM and even the webservers I'm running are ARM nowadays.
- LeFantome 1y agoYou do not have a laptop? Or is it a Mac?
- spiderfarmer 1y agoMacs only, both for private and business use.
- dangus 1y agoWow. This could really be a big deal, especially if it’s more of an openly available product than what Qualcomm has on offer. For me personally I’d love it if this made it to a framework mainboard. I wouldn’t even mind the soldered memory, I understand the technical tradeoff there.
- heavyset_go 1y agoI want a hybrid APU, perhaps an x86 host with ARM co-processors that can be used to run arm64 code natively/do some clever virtualization. Or maybe the other way around, with ARM hosts and x86 co-processors. Or they can do some weird HMP stuff instead of co-processors.
- signa11 1y agorisc-v would have been so much cooler.
- signa11 1y agowhy the downvote ? an explanation please...thank you!
- heavyset_go 1y agoI'll take whatever the industry adopts, hopefully that's RISCV over ARM.
- ggm 1y agoRosetta shows translation works. Why complicate the os with multiple ISA?
- jillesvangurp 1y agoOr put differently, why bake the CPU instruction sets into the chips? What Apple has shown is that emulating x86 can actually rival or be faster than a natively running x86 chip. There are currently two major ones (ARM, x86) and an up-and-coming minor one (e.g. RISC-V), and lots of legacy ones (SPARC, MIPS, PowerPC, etc.). All these can be emulated. Native compilation is an optimization that can happen at build time (traditional compilers), at distribution time (Android stores do this), just before the first run (Rosetta), or on the fly (QEMU). Chip manufacturers need to focus on making power-efficient, high-performance workhorses. Apple figured this out first and got frustrated enough with Intel, who was more preoccupied with vendor lock-in than with doing the one thing they were supposed to do: developing best-in-class chips. The jump from x86 to M1 completely destroyed Intel’s reputation on that front. Turns out all those incremental changes over the years were them just moving deck chairs around. AMD was just tagging along and did not offer much more than them. They too got sidelined by Apple’s move. They never were much better in terms of efficiency and speed. So them now maybe getting back into ARM chips is a sign that times are changing and x86 is becoming a legacy architecture. This shouldn’t matter. Both Apple and Microsoft have emulation capability. Apple is of course retiring theirs, but that’s more of a prioritization/locking strategy than it is for technical reasons. This is the third time they’ve pulled off emulation as a strategy to go to a new architecture: Motorola 68000 to PowerPC to x86 to ARM. Emulation has worked great for decades. It has broken the grip X86 has had on the market for four decades.
- pantulis 1y agoAnybody else finds it very confusing that this is called Sound Wave and it's not a specific chip for sound synthesis applications?
- rwmj 1y agoI was hoping it'd be a very cool soundcard, perhaps with unlimited General Midi channels.
- fecal_henge 1y ago10^5 orchestra hit polyphony.
- atoav 1y agoFinally a realistic helicopter sound?
- armonster 1y agowhat is the reference here, out of curiosity
- atoav 1y agoI am referencing one of the sound-effects contained in General MIDI. GM gives you many sounda of instruments like piano, harpsichord, guitar etc. But it also contains these (much to the fun of everybody who ever played around with a GM keyboard): 125 Telephone Ring 126 Helicopter 127 Applause 128 Gunshot
- pantulis 1y agoI can clearly hear in my head myself repeatedly playing middle C and going through that sequence of patches.
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- rwmj 1y agoI have an AMD Seattle in a cupboard somewhere. https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2017/06/01/amd-seattle-lemaker-cello/ https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2017/06/01/amd-seattle-lemaker-ce...
- sylware 1y agoThey should move to risc-v instead.
- sydbarrett74 1y agoThat will probably happen eventually, but right now RISC-V only has the hp for embedded or peripheral uses. It will continue to nip at ARM’s heels for the next 5-10 years.
- snvzz 1y agoRVA23 chips will definitely be seen next year. So far, Tenstorrent promises Ascalon devboards for 2026Q2. Performance should be similar if not above AMD Zen2 or Apple M1. By 2027, I expect there will be no gap left to close.
- sylware 1y agoAnd for self-hosting and things like NAS, risc-v is already here.
- jabl 1y agoSeems there's an awful lot of slideware in the high-performance RISC-V department. We'll see when/if the rubber hits the road, I suppose. Longer term, I think the future looks bright for RISC-V. If nothing else, at least the Chinese are investing heavily into it, for obvious reasons wrt avoiding sanctions and such.
- sylware 1y agoThat said, it seems the desktop/server high performance implementations are from SiFive in the US. The main obvious reason is to dodge global IP issues with arm or x86*. Trump is probably aware that "Big Tech" is a domestic issue (cr*ping the world, won't help to make america great again...). And he is right to push hard on the silicon, but "cleaning up" what's on top of it... ooooof!
- gsliepen 1y agoCould be an interesting chip for a future Raspberry Pi model? With Radeon having nice open source drivers, it would be easy to run a vanilla Linux OS on it. The TDP looks compatible as well.
- wmf 1y agoThis looks way too good for a RPi. They save money by using old and broken IP on an old fab.
- xbmcuser 1y agoOh I hope the price is low enough that this be a real media box chip competitor fir streaming devices. Nvidia Shield Tegra chip from 2015 is still one of the best in this space. And with nvidia making all the AI money is not interested in making a new device. Apple TV the only real alternative does not support audio passthrough so is not as open as android or Linux media boxes.
- StopDisinfo910 1y agoI think Amlogic, Mediatek and Qualcomm all have SoC which are significantly better than the Tegra for this use case. It’s just that the market barely exists as most consumers use their tv directly so no one really wants to make a media box anymore.
- jauntywundrkind 1y agoYeah, whether AMD is willing to go after some market low end has long been TBD. Intel's N100/N97/N150 is everywhere & very affordable, seemingly, based off some of the system prices. AMD doesn't have anything remotely like it. The chip here is an interesting mix. Fast ddr5-9600! But less GPU CU's than most APUs: 4 down from 6. But if it comes with the other fixings like a good video engine & AMD's very good drivers it could be a real win. Also a little hopeful that AMD rebadging it's Zen 1 and Zen 2 chips again might possible open up some decent low end space, but Sound Wave with more modern solutions would be a very nice to have power efficient low end.
- fithisux 1y agoNow imagine people having written Assembly x86/x64 desktop apps or inline in native code. They will be very happy.
- moffkalast 1y ago> Memory support is another highlight: the chip integrates a 128-bit LPDDR5X-9600 controller and will reportedly include 16 GB of onboard RAM, aligning with current trends in unified memory designs used in ARM SoCs. Additionally, the APU carries AMD’s fourth-generation AI engine, enabling on-device inference tasks 128-bit LPDDR5X-9600 is about 150 GB/s, that's 50% better than an Orin NX. If they can sell these things for less than like $500 then it would be a pretty decent deal for edge inference. 16 GB is ridiculously tiny for the use case though when it's actually more like 15 in practice and the OS and other stuff then takes another two or three, leaving you with like 12 maybe. Hopefully there's a 32 GB model eventually...
- thoughtsyntax 1y agoIt’s exciting to see AMD trying ARM again, competition always brings better chips for everyone.
- amelius 1y agoThey could do it if Apple and nVidia didn't buy all the available fab slots.
- schmorptron 1y agoNow to do speculation on top of speculation on top of speculation: Valve's next vr headset deckard / steam frame is also rumored to be using an ARM chip, and with them being quite close with AMD since the steam deck custom APU (although that one was apparently just something originally intended for magic leap before that fell apart), this could be in there + be powerful enough to run standalone VR.
- throawayonthe 1y agoi guess jeff geerling and others have been doing driver testing for them by running AMD GPUs on RPIs :P
- Pet_Ant 1y agoCouldn't you switch up the decoder logic and make it a RISC-V chip and just blow away existing competition that isn't quite Pi yet?
- wmf 1y agoThe decoder is made by Arm who is never going to do that.
- LeFantome 1y agoI think that is the point being made. Replace the ARM decoder with a RISC-V one and make a RISC-V chip with SoundWave performance using the RISC-V ISA. The fact that you have to argue with ARM about what you are allowed to do is the main reason not to use ARM. RISC-V is not about cost; it is about control. ARM suing Qualcomm to stop Elite X should be everything the industry needs to know to choose RISC-V wherever possible. If you are going to launch a chip for yourself (like Apple did with Apple Silicon) or Amazon did with Graviton, I would choose RISC-V over ARM if starting today. That is what Tenstorrent did for their platform. I can see NVIDIA releasing their own RISC-V chip. In the case of AMD, what are their customers asking for? Probably not RISC-V at this point (sadly). So ARM makes a lot of sense for them. To get back to the original suggestion, replacing the ARM decoder in SoundWave with a RISC-V one, I do not know how feasible that is in practice. The entire chip is designed around the ISA, especially registers and memory model. It is not like compiling Kotlin instead of Java. Or rather, it could be like that if both ARM and RISC-V instructions were designed to compile down to the same micro-architecture (but they are not).
- wmf 1y agoMy point is that you can't take a core like X925 and modify it because Arm won't allow it. If you want a RISC-V core you have to design it yourself.
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- FuriouslyAdrift 1y agoAMD has been making ARM chips for a long time (they bought Xilinx and have been an ARM licensee for forever). This is just their first APU (graphics plus cpu) with an ARM core as the CPU. https://www.amd.com/en/products/adaptive-socs-and-fpgas/soc.html#portfolio https://www.amd.com/en/products/adaptive-socs-and-fpgas/soc....
- strangattractor 1y agoMaybe it would be better for them to enter the Risc-V market. My working thesis is that SoftBank had milked the Arm cow dry. That is why they took it public to pawn the dregs off onto the retail investor. Paying for an Arm license is wasted money and akin to paying for an OS these days.
- rangestransform 1y agoArm IP cores are catching up to Apple silicon now with Arm-C1
- indolering 1y agoThis is a "why not both" strategy: ARM has the market share whereas the RISC-V ecosystem is still being built up. Once you have a RISC based chip, it's not nearly as much work to change to another RISC ISA.
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- klelatti 1y ago> The chip is expected to power future Microsoft Surface products scheduled for release in 2026. They would have to persuade MS to create Windows for RISC-V in this case.
- runjake 1y ago> Maybe it would be better for them to enter the Risc-V market The demand isn't there for the RISC-V product. AMD is exploring this space[1][2] but they aren't bringing them to market because sufficient demand isn't there yet. 1. https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adaptive-socs-and-fpgas/microblaze-v.html https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adaptive-socs-and-f... 2. https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adaptive-socs-and-fpgas/microblaze.html https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adaptive-socs-and-f...
- Western0 1y agoI don't know if the new processors will be better, but they will definitely be AI. ;-P
- pseudosavant 1y agoIf AMD releases an APU that is just using off-the-shelf ARM Cortex cores, it will be completely uninteresting and won't matter. Lots of companies have done that. I'd love to see them dedicate an amount of resources to an ARM processor that makes it competitive with their Ryzen x86 line.
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- aneutron 1y agoWhile I agree with the general idea, I think the sales pitch is less "a bunch of ARM Cortex cores" and more "a bunch of RDNA2 cores stuck to the same Cortex cores you're used to". For things like the automotive industry or industrial applications, it could have some sense. Most are high-margin industries ready to commit to specific architectures.
- ksec 1y agoI wish both AMD and Intel could push to open x86 design so it doesn't end up being like POWER in 10 - 20 years time. We have OpenPOWER but no body cares any more.