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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
- deadbabe 1y agoShould we truly donate or do we have no chance in hell? Seems like we are not in the right political climate to score a win here.
- NooneAtAll3 1y agotbf, with how long these court cases go... result will be decided by next or even after-next political force
- whizzter 1y agoPersonally we should start using EcmaScript that is after all the actual language standard and stop letting Oracle let Java have a free popularity ride on EcmaScript's back.
- sir_eliah 1y agoI think there are better ways to spend $200k than fight with deranged patent/trademark system.
- staticelf 1y agoAwesome cause Deno, of course I'll help.
- scandox 1y agoOracle is like the magic word that makes me want to give money to causes. Which I rarely do or wish to do.
- glimshe 1y ago[flagged]
- donohoe 1y agoLearn ASP or VBA and embrace true suffering
- CharlieDigital 1y agoASP could be written in JScript and was the OG JavaScript SSR. In some ways, easier to understand and better than anything we have now.
- re-thc 1y agoGo back to pen and paper.
- ricardonunez 1y agoWorking in my punch cards as we speak.
- rs186 1y agoI mean, Fortran still exists.
- acka 1y agoSo does COBOL.
- xmcqdpt2 1y agoFortran is pretty great: * First-class tensor manipulations (like numpy but in the core language) * Fast math with the right compiler * Automatically sized multi dimensional arrays on the stack * Zero cost C interop * Minimal runtime, no GC, compiles to small programs * Generics * Coarray based parallelism in the core language Sure it has issues but if you want to write fast numerical code and don’t want to bundle 2GB of pytorch or however big the Julia standard library is, or you want to make a small library with a C API, it’s a pretty great language. There are 50 year old libraries that still work perfectly (and much faster than they did then!) You won’t get that kind of longevity out of Rust ndarray.
- billpg 1y agoI kinda want Oracle to go further and insist that no-one can call it "JavaScript" any more. Let's all it "JS" and completely break from Java. "What does JS stand for?" "It stands for itself."
- Keyframe 1y agoLet's all it "JS" and completely break from Java or, you know, its alter ego ECMAScript? ES for short.
- lagniappe 1y agoNobody likes that name, stop
- davey48016 1y agoI don't like it, but I dislike it less than I dislike the name JavaScript.
- ranguna 1y agoI like it. Maybe some people don't like it.
- lagniappe 1y agoI said stop
- siva7 1y agoWhat's the point? Move on to Typescript and just call it TS. I never got the hang out of why people tend to add "-script" to the the name of a programming language like it's 1995.
- skylurk 1y ago"What doesn't it stand for? It stands for commitment. It stands for audacity. It stands for courage in the face of..."
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- siva7 1y agoI can't be the only one who believes the name JavaScript should die in Peace. It was and still is the worst naming of any popular programming language in existence.
- rs186 1y agoAnecdotally I don't know anyone who cares in the slightest bit about that. It's a name that has been used for a long time, and there have been lots of weird, strange name out there for software, but people just use it and move on.
- stronglikedan 1y agoI think there's some bias at play here. I'd wager that most of management still thinks JavaScript and Java are the same thing, and can't understand why their new frontend hire doesn't know how to work on their Java backend.
- Cheer2171 1y agoNo, it still causes confusion from new programmers, HR, execs who thinks JavaScript === writing Java Scripts. We're all in on TypeScript now and I don't think they're teaching Java much in university or boot camps anymore so it doesn't matter much anyway. But when every other intern came in thinking programming WAS Java.... Not great. Having to never utter "JavaScript" again wasn't the primary motivation to move to TS, but it is a nice side benefit. NB: But I had an intern say to me one day "did you know TypeScript is just JavaScript with types and a linter?" And I just smiled.
- ddtaylor 1y ago> No, it still causes confusion from new programmers, HR, execs who thinks JavaScript === writing Java Scripts. Anyone that stupid in 2025 is hopeless.
- latexr 1y agoIntelligence has nothing to do with it. You can’t deduce JavaScript and Java aren’t related, you have to be told/read that.
- loloquwowndueo 1y agoCan’t deno afford $200k without any help?
- alexander2002 1y agoIts to raise awareness
- r_lee 1y agoadvertise their business* and raise more VC money
- loloquwowndueo 1y agoThey could set a smaller target or ask for 1-dollar donations if they’re after maximum exposure. Here’s hoping they actually donate the entire raised amount to a non-profit, because yeah I don’t get the feeling they need the money at all.
- lenkite 1y agoThey would receive even more blow-back for $1 dollnations from HN here.
- youtubeuser 1y agoThey can. It'd be better if they asked other orgs and individuals to publicly support the task, even without funding it.
- jon-wood 1y agoIt's certainly a bold move for a private company that wants to take a behemoth like Oracle to court over something that mostly benefits themselves to solicit $200K of donations from random people in order to so. I look forward to seeing how that plays out for them.
- Sammi 1y ago> mostly benefits themselves This is incorrect. All users of Javascript benefit.
- TiredOfLife 1y agoHow?
- eknkc 1y agoI personally am a user of JavaScript and don’t care what it is called. Call it FuckScript for what I care. How does this benefit anything other than Deno marketing?
- sgammon 1y agoHow
- giveita 1y agoEr... or spend the let me check 6 months loaded cost of one of your devs and do it yourself.
- s1mplicissimus 1y agoSeems this was downvoted. Well I for one agree with you. Looks to me as if deno wants the public goodwill, but isn't willing to put their money where their mouth is. The term "brand awareness campaign" comes to mind.
- jgalt212 1y agoIt's going to be hard to fight a company that has $600 billion in revenues coming their way--just from one customer!
- sanex 1y agoWho definitely can pay it ;)
- maccard 1y agoKinda hard to justify a gofundme for a vc backed company with 21m in a series A round...
- Alifatisk 1y agoThis is not just for their own personal benefit, it’s for the whole community. Why spend their funding on the court case
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- op7 1y agoSorry but I'm not going to sponsor you stealing a company's trademark.
- youtubeuser 1y ago[flagged]
- zrobotics 1y agoWell, it's oracle, so as far as I'm concerned anything that hurts them or their IP is a legitimate public service. That said, it does seem more than a little cheeky for a VC backed company to open up a public gofundme for this.
- whatamidoingyo 1y agoThe company that took a screenshot of the nodejs website and used it as evidence for their claim of the trademark? The company that had absolutely nothing to do with nodejs? Ohh.
- NetMageSCW 1y agoI didn’t know nodejs existed in 1995?
- whatamidoingyo 1y agoIn 2019, when Oracle renewed the "JavaScript" trademark with the USPTO, they were required to provide evidence of the trademark's "use in commerce." Oracle thought they'd just lazily screenshot the nodejs.org website and use that as part of their evidence, which is absurd. If normal people did this, they'd probably be sitting in jail.
- LucasMorins 1y ago[dead]
- youtubeuser 1y agoAlt names: JS, ECMAScript (ES?), WebScript (WS?)
- csiegert 1y agoWS is already taken by the WebSocket ws://… protocol.
- ramesh31 1y agoThis seems a bit like poking the bear. A loss here could give Oracle carte blanche to start going after people for using "JavaScript" anywhere.
- nchmy 1y agoThat's literally what is being fought for...
- ramesh31 1y ago>That's literally what is being fought for... But they don't really go after anyone for it right now, as it's a legal gray area that they haven't really cared to pursue. Forcing the issue will create a judgement (one way or the other) for them to know that it's enforceable if they win. I really hope Deno's lawyers know what they are doing because Oracle has literally unlimited money and legal resources for this kind of thing; it's basically their whole business model.
- beanjuiceII 1y agono thanks, ecmascript already is a fine name why don't we just start using it more since thats what it is why deno so hung up on this? why not focus getting people to use deno instead?
- SpaceL10n 1y ago"ecma" doesn't feel right coming out of my mouth or in my ears. Perhaps because it's sound isn't common in the English language? I'm actually struggling to find any other words right now that sounds similar to ecma. But to answer your question, here we all are talking about Deno. Can't say if that was their plan all along or not, but it's working.
- blindriver 1y agoChange it to EllisonScript
- djdjsjejb 1y agowhy not just ask larry ellison directly?
- TheAceOfHearts 1y agoIf you know his phone number maybe someone would volunteer to give him a call.
- nurettin 1y agoI will volunteer for $200k
- ozgung 1y agoAccording to Wikipedia, JavaScript first appeared on December 4th, 1995, as a part of Netscape Navigator. The name was LiveScript in beta versions. Sun Microsystems (acquired by Oracle) made the application for the trademark[1] on December 1st, 1995. The trademark was issued on May 6th, 1997. [1]https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75026640&caseType=SERIAL_...
- bambax 1y agoI have always wondered why Google didn't buy Sun? They propbably were at the time (and probably still are?) the biggest corporate users of both Java and JavaScript (which, of course, don't share anything beyond the name).
- linuxftw 1y agoDuring that era, SPARC servers were the absolute premium units inside the datacenter. That aligned better with Oracle selling servers than Google, who doesn't sell servers, IMO.
- severino 1y agoThank God they didn't. Java could be another abandoned Google project now. OTOH I don't think anybody can say anything bad about what Oracle did and is doing with Java.
- NetMageSCW 1y agoReally? Try changing licensing terms every few years until their current commercial license requires paying for every employee whether they use Java or not. The world would be a much better place if Google had googled Java twenty years ago.
- wiseowise 1y agoIf you’re not using OpenJDK, you brought this on yourself.
- Illniyar 1y agoI don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would go to fund their product.
- op7 1y agoThey don't have the right to do this. Oracle safeguards the JavaScript trademark against abuse with it's powerful legal teams and has a track record of good stewardship. These guys want to hijack their property and let it loose to the wild west. Who knows what unethical actors will do with it..
- simonh 1y agoFreedom is all very well until someone decides they are free to come and take your stuff, or lie about you, or pretend to be you.
- conartist6 1y agoMost people just call the language "JS" cause Oracle doesn't own that trademark. That's why you wouldn't be able to have a JavascriptConf but we do have JSConf. This is a long-winded way of saying that we already know what people would do with the freedom to speak the name of the language and it's nothing worth fearmongering over... It's for the courts to determine who had what rights, but it's Oracle that is credibly accused of greatly exceeding the rights given them under the law
- suprfsat 1y agoFor example, low effort trolling, or self-propagating supply chain attacks.
- nchmy 1y agoThe entire point is that oracle has done nothing with the trademark - especially not being a good steward. What bizarro world are you living in?
- sremani 1y agoI have donated and was immensely disappointed the donations thus far are about $16K. note to self: take HN righteous indignations less seriously.
- r_lee 1y agoSo donate money for Deno's marketing campaign?
- Sammi 1y agoDeno have been bankrolling this case for a pretty long time already. Winning this case will benefit everybody who are benefited by Javascript. Sound fair to ask for everyone else to pitch in.
- ecshafer 1y agoHow? How does it benefit people. The name javascript being trademarked has never affected me once in my life. Especially since its technically Ecmascript and I am technically writing typescript nowadays.
- cryptos 1y agoThe simple solution is to write everything (for the browser) in TypeScript instead and treat JavaScript only as the compilation target noone actually talks about. And compiling to JavaScript might also become a thing of the past with Webassembly. So, I think we shouldn't care about JavaScript as a name.
- justincormack 1y agoI am fairly sure Microsoft owns the typescript trademark.
- jemmyw 1y agoI used https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ and didn't find it listed there. It used to belong to Lotus. It seems that MS has not trademarked TypeScript.
- justincormack 1y agoYes you are right, apparently not TypeScript or TS.
- ranguna 1y agoShouldn't someone trademark it quickly before a bad actor does?
- Waterluvian 1y agoJavaScript is a nice compilation target because with a few extra flags, it’s actually very readable.
- leptons 1y agoNot everyone doing things on the web is a pro developer using typescript. There are millions of use cases for plain-old javascript in the browser to get work done, probably many more cases of that than there are pro developers using typescript.
- throwingrocks 1y agoSurprised by the amount of mentions of ECMAScript here. It’s the worst possible name to me.
- chamomeal 1y agoSounds like eczema :(
- Finnucane 1y agoToo bad there's no topical creme to get rid of it.
- maybewhenthesun 1y agomeh. 'Java' script was a ridiculous choice which has lead to much confusion. For all I care it could be called mozillascript (would be historically more 'correct') otoh anything Oracle wants is bad by default so...
- balamatom 1y agoPetition to rename it to SillyScript
- epolanski 1y agoCare to state why?
- throwmeaway222 1y agoIt won't be called anything other than EcmaScript because there are already millions of references to that name.
- ncr100 1y agoECMAScript is the base language. Javascript is that base + a layer on top .. 'navigator' object, etc.
- giancarlostoro 1y ago
- dev_l1x_be 1y ago> If we don’t win discovery, Oracle locks in ownership of the word “JavaScript.” This is the decisive moment. One more reason to move away from it and finally get some sanity back in webdev.
- nchmy 1y agoWhat alternative do you propose to Javascript for interactive functionality on a web page?
- nemomarx 1y agowe could always use wasm, right?
- maybewhenthesun 1y agoecmascript?
- gamache 1y ago> finally get some sanity back in webdev Like nested <table>s and 1x1 transparent spacer GIFs?
- nchmy 1y agoThe gofundme is now saying $55k target... Which is it?
- Cyykratahk 1y agoThere is some help text when clicking on the current goal amount: > If an organiser turns on automated goal setting, GoFundMe adjusts their goal automatically based on the fundraiser’s characteristics and performance. You can see the goal history if GoFundMe has ever made automatic updates. > To help the organiser reach their goal, we start them at a lower goal and adjust it as donations come in.
- SignalM 1y agoI appreciate the thought but this isn’t even a David and Goliath .. this is David’s infant taking on Goliath… Oracle spends more on lawyers than engineers. If this 200k is spent it will be thrown in the garbage. Unless Oracle wants to release it on their own they’ll happily stay in court until every penny Deno has is gone and not think twice about it. Have the team focus on something else.. this isn’t even worth typing up and putting on their website.
- chamomeal 1y agoI know there are all kinds of lawyers and pro bono work and such. But $200k sounds like a tiny pittance in lawyer world
- tonymet 1y agothey make a good case that the fundraising would go to assembling evidence like surveys, witnesses -- i.e. discovery -- rather than the billable hours. They probably have pro bono attorneys. Any lawyer would love a W against Oracle in a notorious case like this. Their career would be set for life.
- Wowfunhappy 1y agoBut surely it counts for something than Deno has the facts on their side?
- davorak 1y ago> If this 200k is spent it will be thrown in the garbage. How much will oracle pay to defend that $200k of effort? If the ratio is good enough it still sounds like a worthwhile cause, that is Oracle paying for, in my opinion, holding on to the javascript trademark unduly.
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- hu3 1y agoOracle probably has a hundred lawyers that make more than $200k per year. If Deno tries to half-ass this case, they will be doing the JavaScript community a disservice by creating court precedent for Oracle.
- nchmy 1y agoif they dont do this, there wont be an opportunity for another case..
- hu3 1y agoWell that is an urgency that Deno folks created. So it seems the deed is done. > After more than 27,000 people signed our open letter to Oracle about the “JavaScript” trademark, we filed a formal Cancellation Petition with the US Patent and Trademark Office. Ten months in, we’re finally reaching the crucial discovery phase. - Ryan Dahl You can't make this up. If I was Larry Ellison I would be calling Deno folks personally to thank them.
- barelysapient 1y agoExactly this. Poor judgement on the part of Deno's leaders.
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- Finnucane 1y agoOracle has a lot of money and lawyers, and how much of that have they used to actually protect the trademark? Do they sue people for infringement? Do they run ads in trade magazines saying, "hey please don't use our trademark generically"? How much money do they make from owning the trademark? Are they going to spend more than that to defend it?
- ripped_britches 1y agoCan we just stop transpiling typescript and only run that instead? In seriousness though, this does seem like a distraction from real work
- notpushkin 1y agoPeople need distraction sometimes.
- jasinjames 1y ago> If there are leftover funds, we’ll donate them to the OpenJS to continue defending civil liberties in the digital space. None of the funds will go to Deno
- ksherlock 1y agoShower thought conspiracy theory: If the lawsuit looks like it might succeed, Oracle could make it disappear by ... buying Deno. Is their end goal to free javascript or is it to find an exit?
- Imustaskforhelp 1y agoFirstly 200k isn't a lot of money against ORACLE which is a lawyer's level 100 and atleast millions of $ Secondly, it would be really shitty if they think that oracle could buy deno and we can just allow that and continue to cheer on for them. It would be all hell breaks loose if oracle buys deno and this lawsuit disappears after raising money from public, the people donating would be furious and I feel like that there are already alternatives to deno (bun which is faster) which itself was a alternative to node. People might as well fork it if comes under oracle possession. Idk Tbh I agree that deno isn't the best for such lawsuit but rather something that can stand for free speech maybe fsf which deno could directly support and they can do a lawsuit instead?
- whatamidoingyo 1y agoOof, fair point. How many people would be able to refuse such an offer? Go live on an island and never have to work again, starting a new project if you get bored, or... keep working on Deno?
- shim__ 1y agoI'd contribute to free us from JavaScript
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- huflungdung 1y ago[dead]
- snovymgodym 1y agoThis Bryan Cantrill quote is relevant any time Oracle comes up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2305s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2305s
- ramesh31 1y agoI miss that world so much. People used to care.
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- pyuser583 1y agoJavaScript isn't a generic term. There aren't lots of JavaScripts. Just the one. If Oracle is going to lose the trademark, which it probably should, the reasoning could be better. How about the fact that Oracle doesn't really offer a service called JavaScript. Isn't abandonment a reason to lose trademark? "Google" has become a generic term for search engine, like "Jello", "Kleenex", "Kool-Aid," etc. "JavaScript" isn't like that. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Can someone clear this for me?
- Marsymars 1y agoThe grounds for cancellation in the USPTO letter are from both abandonment and genericism (and “fraud on the USPTO”), and Deno’s open letter to Oracle mostly touches on the abandonment issue.
- 0x073 1y agoI don't understand it, nodejs use JavaScript on their website like many other e.g. vue , what's will 200k throwing away solves? 200k could do much more in the js ecosystem than just a word.
- firefoxd 1y agoThis is a reminder that the power of Oracle is not in creating great software, it's in having iron clad lawyers and salespeople[0]. I want this to happen and will contribute, but I think there will be a rude awakening when the anvil falls on our heads. [0]: https://idiallo.com/blog/why-use-oracle-db-today https://idiallo.com/blog/why-use-oracle-db-today
- thw_9a83c 1y agoThe name "JavaScript" was silly to begin with, just a way to make the buzzword "Java" more popular. Let's call it WebScript and move on.
- RandallBrown 1y agoKinda the other way around right? Java was a popular language at the time so Brendan Eich picked that as part of the name to make his new language more popular.
- thw_9a83c 1y agoMaybe. However, he wouldn't have been allowed to choose the name "JavaScript" if Netscape and Sun hadn't been in a business partnership. So my point is still valid. It was just a random ride on the Java wave.
- padjo 1y agoPretty sure Brendan Eich had nothing to do with the name JavaScript. That was a name cooked up by the marketing department.
- uncircle 1y agoThat is correct: in Brendan's own words: https://youtu.be/XOmhtfTrRxc?si=5J7LrNIaNo-_GNf7&t=99 https://youtu.be/XOmhtfTrRxc?si=5J7LrNIaNo-_GNf7&t=99 (starts at 1:39)
- px43 1y agoHow about EichScript, or ES for short :-D
- TZubiri 1y agoSure, let me just rename all of my file extensions and parsers to .ws and then handle the collisions with websockets paths and then revert it all back to how it was before I touched anything
- dijit 1y agoIt’s not even a good name, let them have it and lets pick something better.
- Alifatisk 1y agoThere is so much resources on the web tied t javascript. Moving onto new name takes massive amounts of effort and will just make people having to keep track of two names when searching the web
- dijit 1y agoMaybe that’s a good thing. PHP needs to shed its image as a crufty language because modern PHP is written differently, I’m sure “the old way” of JS has many similar warts.
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- lewisflude 1y agoI wonder if we should just rename JavaScript to something else (not ECMAScript, which is an awful name). Would be difficult to coordinate, but I think if runtimes start incorporating new naming, there could be enough of a consensus to move away from the JavaScript name entirely and it could become a relic of history.
- throwmeaway222 1y agoIt won't be called anything other than EcmaScript because there are already millions of references to that name.
- lewisflude 1y agoSuch an awful name! From that perspective, a $200k legal battle makes total sense in comparison.
- TZubiri 1y agoI had no idea there was a JavaScript trademark and that Oracle had it! How did they get there? If it were Java I get it, but JavaScript? I also wonder what's the non-brand way to refer to it. JS? EcmaScript? The Browser Language Formerly Known as JavaScript?
- linhns 1y agoWhere does Node stands on this?
- throwmeaway222 1y agoI remember a period where people just called it EcmaScript - so use that
- wyclif 1y agoThey should just change it back to Mocha.
- pmarreck 1y agoCan we do ZFS next?
- phendrenad2 1y agoI've kind of become numb to the annoying JavaScript trademark situation. But yeah, it's bonkers. I agree, let's do something. So, if this fails, let's rename JavaScript to WebScript or BrowserScript or something. Nobody can say those aren't generic. And remember, the laughably unpronounceable, caps-lock-enabled, comedy gold that was "ECMAscript" almost caught on for a hot minute. (Can you believe it? We were this close to walking the halls of our big techs and startups and mumbling about "egg-muh-script".) The biggest hurdle will be getting Google to change the name. Google, famously, carefully avoids interacting with the public. I don't know what kind of infohazard they are afraid of contacting from us, but we have to break through that barrier somehow. We may have to resort to standing on the side of the road on the 101 with a sign that says "No more war! Save the dolphins! Accept the JavaScript(TM)-to-WebScript rename now!".
- darepublic 1y agoWilling to send something Denos way on this. Best of luck
- spankalee 1y agoI donated. Oracle losing the trademark is just the right thing to happen. Even if Oracle has mythical undefeatable army of lawyers, it's worth it to me to see if there's a chance of common sense prevails for once.
- morpheuskafka 1y agoOracle has this trademark in numerous countries. Even if this USPTO proceeding cancels it in the US, someone will need to cancel it in every other country to be safe for using it for a global software project/company. Because they filed directly in each country, rather than using the Madrid/WIPO process, a US cancellation doesn't affect the others at all. (Likewise, even if Oracle wins this, they could still have to spend to defend it in other countries or risk losing it there if challenged.)
- paxys 1y agoIt doesn't matter how much money you raise. Oracle and Larry Ellison can outspend you 100000x, plus they have the ear of the USPTO and the rest of the US political establishment. This is a pointless fight.
- einpoklum 1y ago> Help Us Raise $200k to Free JavaScript from Oracle Sure, just first please become a community-governed non-profit organization whose motivations and interests I am able to scrutinize - and I'll pitch in.
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- sgammon 1y agoGraalJs is still right there
- gtoast 1y agoMan, if only there were some extremely wealthy companies, like the wealthiest companies in the world, that had a vested interest in "freeing" Javascript that could donate a measley $200k...
- codr7 1y agoI hereby cast my vote for shcript, short and sweet; think of it as a way of calling it what it is without using the S word.
- baalimago 1y agoAdd typescript support as default to browsers and drop "javascript" alltogether. Problem solved.
- shmerl 1y agoJavaScript should have been LiveScript if I recall correctly. It was a mistake to put Java in its name, but now everyone has to deal with the fallout. Oracle is still wrong here, but original intent why it didn't end up being LiveScript was to ride on the popularity of Java.
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- sgammon 1y agodidn't deno raise $25M
- sgammon 1y agoWho has Oracle sued, and what progress has it stopped, that Oracle owns the trademark to JS? Genuine question. Who actually cares?
- hereme888 1y agowhat if everyone agrees to call it JavaZcript, start an online campaign to inform everyone of the reason, and let Oracle fume in the madness of its greed?
- wiseowise 1y agoScript is not a problem. It’s “Java” that is trademarked.
- serial_dev 1y ago200k? I’m not familiar with lawyer / paralegal salaries but I’m assuming it might pay for two paralegals for a year at most? 200k sounds like a very small war chest going up against Oracle. Or is this just to get some awareness?
- sgammon 1y agosequoia money angry that oracle money has trademark that nobody enforces or respects anyway
- cornhole 1y agosave your money and pick a better name than javascript
- wiseowise 1y agoAdopt TS as official browser language and kill JS. Since JS is valid TS, it will be literally a drop in replacement. Easy peasy.
- mcv 1y agoIs this just about the name? I always thought naming it after a completely unrelated language was a stupid name. I would welcome making ECMAScript the official name. Or Webscript or something would make a lot of sense.
- knotbin 1y ago"This is just marketing" Do you know how many other INFINITELY LESS EXPENSIVE forms of marketing there are? Of course it's marketing, Ryan Dahl even said openly "I can justify spending money on it because it does get Deno's name out there" on Twitter. But yeah sure this is just an evil plot to get you to use a free MIT licensed runtime or a cloud hosting provider.
- emigre 1y agoI don’t understand why a for-profit company is asking me for money for something they want to do.
- moogly 1y agoI can't believe no one has referenced YavaScript yet.
- wyclif 1y agoThey should just revert the name to Mocha.
- ranguna 1y agoWhy waste money here instead of justing calling it ecma script or js? Who cares about java? Let's just move on. I think it would be a much peittier sight to behold seeing a whole community as a whole change the way they call their language instead of paying 100s of 1000s to some lawyers to fight over a name that's pretty bad in the first place (see the history behind the name, they just wanted to piggyback ride on java as a buzzword). (please don't astroturf saying ecma script is a bad name, if you don't like it, argument why, don't be 12 saying it looks like eczema, it does not and never did)
- mediumsmart 1y agoI raise my free hand to vote for naming the useable subset of JavaScript … JS - the Oracle be my witness.
- sgammon 1y agodownvoting everyone who asks a question in good faith is what makes ryan dahl and deno the matt mullenweg and wordpress of javascript runtimes
- kasajian 1y agoI don't get why this is so important. I don't love Oracle. I do love JavaScript. I couldn't care less who owns the trademark, and not sure what if anything would make me care.
- miragecraft 1y agoMaybe this is the chance to finally get rid of “Java” from JavaScript. My vote goes to WebScript.