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Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided
- nickslaughter02 1y agoFull post: Leak: Many countries that said NO to #ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided—even though the 2025 plan is even more extreme! The vote is THIS October. Tell your government to #StopChatControl! Act now: https://chatcontrol.eu https://chatcontrol.eu
- iLoveOncall 1y agoThat website is pretty bad. Don't say "act now" with a link when the link has no concrete actions listed. "Ask your government not to do that" means absolutely nothing. There should be a list of what people should do step by step based on their country.
- neilv 1y agoThis link is full of the usual self-promoting priorities of politicians, and the modern "influencers" who mimic them. 1. Redirects to someone's personal-name Web site. 2. The top heading on the page is their personal name and what seems to be personal logo. 3. Immediately below that logo the navbar entry for "ABOUT ME / CONTACT". 4. The last entry in the navbar is "GET INVOLVED", and the first entry of that menu is "Follow Me". 5. The first entry in the navbar is "WELCOME" and redirects to a page with a huge photo of him, followed by a heading that starts "Patrick Breyer – Digital freedom fighter and former Member of European Parliament for the German and the European Pirate Party" subheading "Europe’s voice of privacy and the free Internet". 6. Then the page below all this has some information. I think this is one reason that positive revolutions can't happen anymore: the potential leaders/actors see no non-corrupt role models for how to operate. It's a very fuzzy line between self-promotion in service of the mission somehow, and self-promotion in service of power/influence for its own sake.
- bondarchuk 1y agoIn a representative democracy there is nothing nefarious about a representative presenting himself as a person who would stand for certain policies.
- neilv 1y agoThis is purporting to be an issue thing (see the link). But it can't help be a personal brand thing. I'm using this as an example of a problem with modern activism. Everyone wants to do their videos of themselves posturing like influencers, and building their brand, and the issue looks like a vehicle.
- Gud 1y agoOn the other hand, Patrick Beyer is doing more for internet freedom than any other person I know. Who else is fighting chat control and informing the population as well?
- normalaccess 1y agoWith the way the world is I wouldn't be suppressed if it's been infiltrated and is controlled opposition designed to fail.
- nickslaughter02 1y agoLeaked record of a meeting on 11/07/2025: Original: https://netzpolitik.org/2025/internes-protokoll-eu-juristen-kritisieren-daenischen-vorschlag-zur-chatkontrolle/ https://netzpolitik.org/2025/internes-protokoll-eu-juristen-... Translated to English: https://netzpolitik-org.translate.goog/2025/internes-protokoll-eu-juristen-kritisieren-daenischen-vorschlag-zur-chatkontrolle/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://netzpolitik-org.translate.goog/2025/internes-protoko...
- ulrikrasmussen 1y agoI am Danish and I fucking hate my government for this. Nationally, the minister of justice Peter Hummelgaard is also pushing for a law which gives the police intelligence agency (PET) the right to basically do mass surveillance of everyone without prior suspicion of any criminal activity. If passed, they will be allowed to build a database of everyone which correlates social media activity with health care data and any other data collected via surveillance. This will be a machine for automatically generating suspects. Peter Hummelgaard basically says yes to every new tool that the police asks for. He also is a staunch advocate of increasing punishment for every type of crime that happens to catch his attention, even in a time where our prison system is in shambles and has way too many inmates. A true authoritarian.
- anthk 1y agoPublic Unix server will get a Reissanance. Tons of folks will learn to live under small Nix account to chat privately under remote Tox accounts or over I2PD. This will only boost up populace's knowledge. Kinda like in Spain tons of people learnt to either burn cards with microcontrollers in order to pirate TV top boxes or run Nagra and satellite decoders with keys dumped fron sketchy sites to be read with Kaffeine. And, often, it was more fun to decode the signal than to watch the actual TV schedule.
- loa_in_ 1y agoThese things won't magically boost populace's knowledge. People are born every day and they don't know anything. Each year the burden of things you need to know to be an adult increases. The populationbon general will not get hands on with something optional.
- chuckadams 1y agoI wonder how much support it would have if it was called "Speech Control" instead. Probably still a depressing percentage...
- exasperaited 1y agoIt has been given the name "Chat Control" by its detractors, no?
- thrance 1y agoHow much support does it have anyway? Outside of Parliament, I mean.
- akimbostrawman 1y agoFree speech is only really a thing in the US. Many in the EU love to prosecute and control speech they don't like usually with the vague and legally undefined "hate speech" knock out argument.
- readthenotes1 1y agoChatControl!--because Orwell was a rabble-rousing fool
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- budududuroiu 1y agoSome legislation good, some legislation bad.
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- budududuroiu 1y agoBecause the design of a charging port doesn’t open up your population to more cybersec vulnerabilities? The same bureaucratic elite in Bruxelles loved to blame Russian hacking for election mishaps (remember Romanian cancelled elections?), seems antithetical to that
- cjs_ac 1y agoReally, we're not allowed to agree with some of the EU's ideas but disagree with others? You demand that we take every policy proposal from the EU as part of a single coherent political philosophy?
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- bondarchuk 1y ago>HN is one person
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- baal80spam 1y agoWho would have thought?!
- scythe 1y agoIs this an active "undecided" or a "we restarted the count so everyone is undecided again" situation? France flipped, but Macron is more geopolitically mercurial than the average world leader.
- thrance 1y agoHe's riding that right wing populism wave like everyone else. If the crazy brown authoritarians from the far right want this, then why not cave in? (I despise him).
- cocoto 1y agoThe far right in France doesn’t want ChatControl. In fact I think only the soft left, middle and soft right want ChatControl (and it is not even a consensus for among these groups).
- rdm_blackhole 1y agoThe left is pushing for it. The commissioner in charge of the 2024 version of Chat control is/was a communist. I don't mind critizing the far right when it is necessary but this push is not coming from them at all.
- yxhuvud 1y agoNo. That was Ylva Johansson, a Swedish social democrat. They are center left, with emphasis on the center part.
- rdm_blackhole 1y ago> Ylva Johansson In the 1988 general elections Johansson was elected as a member of the Riksdag for the Left Party – Communists This party was the sole political force in Sweden supporting the Soviet Union in the Winter War against Finland. They also supported Soviet military expansion along its Western border. She may be center left now but she was a card carrying member of the communists before. She is a crook and completely bought by the lobbies. So no, I do not agree that she is center left.
- Hizonner 1y agoAw, Jeez, not this shit again.
- Havoc 1y agoEntire world seems to be making a pivot to surveillance state :(
- RegnisGnaw 1y agoChina has shown the world the way and most countries likes it.
- yupyupyups 1y agoNo, people don't like this.
- andrepd 1y agoPeople don't but those with power (i.e. the people who matter) do.
- jeltz 1y agoMost ordinary people don't but they still vote for authoritarian politicians who like it.
- Saline9515 1y agoMost politicians don't support explicitly such measures. This is a technocratic law, result of a weak consensus in the EU. You don't vote for your Homeland Secretary minister. EU PM don't usually campaign for such issues. This is a failure of representative democracy.
- sneak 1y agoA lot of people feel they have nothing to hide and don’t feel strongly one way or the other on privacy, but they do like feeling safe and secure from crime and “bad things”. It’s a dangerous and destructive worldview, because they benefit immensely from the small percentage of society that absolutely does need privacy.
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- RamblingCTO 1y agoI really don't get it. It's against the German constitution and yet there are still politicians pushing for that, again and again. We should make it mandatory that when something is clearly against the constitution you loose your job as a politician. It won't work anyway. It's the same spiel wasting so much money and time. Do we know which lobby group/party is pushing for that yet again?
- betaby 1y ago> It's against the German constitution No one cares. Like anywhere in the world.
- IncreasePosts 1y agoJust saying "It's unconstitutional" doesn't really cut it. It's a question for the courts to decide (based on the constitution).
- bee_rider 1y agoA constitution is the basic big-picture law of the country. The court’s interpretation should be easy to guess. Otherwise, the people won’t feel like it is their document. Rule of law is aided by laws that people know how to follow.
- IncreasePosts 1y agoAt least in America, a classic go to for Republican and democrats alike for opposing legislation is "that's unconstitutional!"
- bee_rider 1y agoSure, I’m from the US as well. In our case, I think this stems from multiple problems—the popular understanding of the constitution and the letter of the thing have diverged, and also the Supreme Court has gone in a third totally unrelated direction. So it becomes a convenient rhetorical meme. (IMO, we should the thing once a generation and have the populace re-ratify it with a high consensus, so we’re all on the same page). I’m not sure if that’s the case in Germany though.
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- dh2022 1y agoI am not familiar with the charging port debate, but enforcing apps to be open to other developers and prevent addiction and be accessible by people with disabilities are all good things. However enforcing surveillance and CSAM scanning is not good. EU can make good laws, and sometimes EU can make bad laws..,
- handedness 1y agoI think the broader point here is that regulation is a double-edged sword. There's an argument to be made that a body which has the power to impose a particular charging port on your phone also has the power to impose what it would view as 'common sense' chat control and CSAM scanning. Europe went from many years of regulating cell phones to mostly ensure they don't cause interference or spontaneously combust, to fairly rapidly achieving a normalized position of regulating ports, app stores, and software. (I suppose another way of looking at it is that the EU didn't seem to much mind when Nokia dictated most everyone's charging ports.) I'm not taking a position on one side or the other on the above, there are compelling arguments for and against both, and millennia of political philosophy has attempted to grapple with the issue of how much power the people should permit the state to have, what those checks and balances should be, and how they should be enforced. Some will reliably naively assert we should only permit well-informed, well-intentioned, good-hearted people to enter into positions of power, but we've seen that play out too many times for it to be considered a viable assumption. So a discussion worth having is whether existing constraints apply, and if not, what hard constraints can be placed on regulators to limit them from acts like this? We've normalized their ability to regulate the device industry to this degree, and they're overstepping. Does Title II Article 7 of The Charter of Fundamental Rights in the European Union prevent this? Or is a new solution needed?
- anthk 1y agoUniversal charger = good STASI/GESTAPO 2.0 = bad To the rest... install Tox, QTox/UTox for PC (any OS) and Atox under Android. Never post personal data, ever. Learn to set up i2pd on Trisquel/Ubuntu distros and set it as a daemon. Set up Links with 127.0.0.1:4444 as the proxy for everything and MARK the checkbox that says "tunnel everything to proxy" or similar. Disable cookies in the settings and DO NOT login to any web. Don't use "links -g", but "links in the terminal". After you finish setting it up, save the settings. Do the same with IRC clients, prefer simple ones such as IRC. Be aware to delete ANY metada and don't put your username as the login one under Unix/Linux, ever. Get some Mutt config for it for the tunnel at /etc/i2pd/i2pd-tunnel.conf. Again, if it's a bit technical, use Claws Mail and disable any enabled metadata for your account.
- rdm_blackhole 1y agoTime to move to self hosted messaging platforms or go back to GPG encrypted messages. And politicians complain that democracy is losing it's appeal! What's the difference between what the EU wants to do and what is being done in autocracies like China and Russia? Snooping on all messages and conversations, even the Stasi did not have this much power!
- supermatt 1y agoIt doesn't matter what you use. It is your device that will be doing the snooping - i.e. client-side scanning
- rdm_blackhole 1y agoThe CSS in the proposal is implemented on an app level, like Whatsapp or Signal does the detection before sending the encrypted message, not at the OS level. If you use an app that connects to your own xmpp server, there will be no snopping. Same if you encrypt your message and post it in Whatsapp.
- ulrikrasmussen 1y agoI'm worried that as soon as this is implemented, someone will make a patched version of the signal client which doesn't do the scanning, and soon after all the affected apps will be forced by law to use remote attestation like Play Integrity.
- rdm_blackhole 1y agoSignal said that they will the EU market if push comes to shove, so there won't be a Signal client to patch because there won't be a Signal app.
- ulrikrasmussen 1y agoThere will still be an APK which can be sideloaded, and you could continue to use it through a VPN.
- McDyver 1y agoThey make it really difficult to fight any of this. You have to, individually - find a representative, their contact info, state your case, hope it's the correct person, hope your mail doesn't go unnoticed, hope that it will be properly read, hope it changes their mind. This is "lobbying" by the people in a disorganised way, trying to fight organised lobbying. This is a barrier that puts lots of people off, even if they have strong feelings about it. I wish there was an easier way for people to say they are against this
- sidewndr46 1y agoOne of the failings of most modern democracies is that if a measure doesn't pass, nothing prohibits it from being introduced again immediately. I've seen ballot initiatives simply get copy pasted onto each election by city council until they happen to pass.
- soulofmischief 1y agoA well-funded institution will always outlast an individual or smaller organization in a war of attrition. I think a modern Constitution needs to consider 19-20th-century concepts such as game theory if it has any hope of preventing eventual corruption.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 1y agoThe same game theory that could make a modern constitution so robust could also be used by the bad guys to thoroughly corrupt the drafting of any modern constitution you could get enacted.
- rolandog 1y agoI'm of the opinion that our failure (as a society) to prevent this type of attrition of democracy — death by a thousand papercuts — will be lead to catastrophic tipping points. As a ChemEng, I can't help but compare the current coordinated attack on the democratic rule of governments worldwide to having multiple batches of emulsions undergoing phase-inversion [0]: only so much fascism can be added before things collapse into a greasy turd. That democracy is not robust does not mean it is not good nor something worth aspiring to. I would argue that the root cause of the sad state of democracies is the fact that we were coaxed into a snafu by virtue of accepting the false equivalence of capitalism and democracy: the first does not warrant the other; in fact they are most times at odds. I am also reminded of the Behind the Bastards podcast and their episodes on Adolf Eichmann's careerist pursuit enabling the Holocaust... leading me to wonder how many people are burning the world down as part of a KPI... Or, in other words, are our economic systems and forms of government vulnerable to the paperclip problem? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_inversion_(chemistry)#In_emulsions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_inversion_(chemistry)#In...
- pimlottc 1y agoArgh, red and green colors are not great for accessibility, I had to look hard to find the countries that were opposed/neutral (Poland, Austria and Netherlands, afaict)
- radicalbyte 1y agoNL should be because, at least so far, they've been listening to the experts (many who are ex-colleagues & friends of mine). We have elections later in the year and that can change (although they're looking positive so far).
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- oytis 1y agoAre they going to vote on that every year until it passes?
- normalaccess 1y agoYes, there is no stopping it with the current structure and tools. They will push until the people give in. Best to prepare for it's existence and figure out how to use the good old sneaker-net.
- arlort 1y agoNo, the reason there's an article like this every 6 months is very specifically that it never gets to a vote
- stephen_g 1y agoBut they will keep trying to introduce it until they think they can win a vote. They keep trying to sneak it through and hope the public will either get too tired to keep fighting or can be distracted by other issues.
- arlort 1y agoPersonally I'm skeptical it's been shot down because of "the public" so far In fact I think all of these impending doom articles are particularly counter productive because they de-sensitize people before it even gets to the parliament which (1) has already expressed opposition to this and (2) is a bit more starving for approval and thus potentially more receptive to this kind of stuff But that's beyond the point regarding the "keep trying" part because I really can't imagine a way to "fix" that which isn't going to negatively impact the quality of legislation in the long run Also I'm fairly sure that if there was a limit on how many times it can be considered in committee it'd already have been approved by council, so be careful what you wish for
- andrepd 1y agoYes, and when it does that's it, forever. Because the EU """parliament""" cannot propose laws, meaning it cannot repeal existing laws either. It's like the IRA said to Thatcher: you have to be lucky every time, we just have to be lucky once.
- mvieira38 1y agoSelfhosting Matrix might be a solution if this passes. The surveillance is to be installed at the app level, imposed on the distributing companies (say, the Signal front-end), this is not a ban on. But if you're booting up your own application, it might at the very least be a legal grey area whether or not you need to implement chat control, so you could just not and the data will still be E2EE in travel for now. Easier than asking everyone you know to use GPG
- crumpled 1y agoIt's not a solution if it passes with "Client-side scanning". Basically a AI bot watching your screen all day. You're gonna need a whole secure deviant device.
- mvieira38 1y agoIf that passes it's over for the european internet, IMO. I would just shut off all personal online devices completely and go banking and work only on a cheap Xiaomi
- rdm_blackhole 1y agoThat is not what the law is about. It is client side scanning embedded in the apps themselves. Each app will have to deploy their own mechanism to intercept the messages. This is not (yet) an OS level scan so there is no AI bot watching your moves on your device yet. Furthermore the AI part will run on their own servers, not on the device. Precisely, the way it has been described, is when you hit the send button, it will the send the message in clear text to the authorities and then send the encrypted message to the recipient, hence the stupid narrative from the proponents of Chat control that it does not break encryption because it was never encrypted in the first place.
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- djrj477dhsnv 1y agoThat seems like it will be largely useless. Sure, the masses will continue using a bugged WhatsApp. But anyone with actual interesting/llegal things to say will switch over to an open source messaging app that hasn't been bugged.
- EGreg 1y agoThe war on end to end encryption is far bigger and more global than you think, and you’re the boiling frogs. Here is the evolving map: https://community.qbix.com/t/the-global-war-on-end-to-end-encryption/214 https://community.qbix.com/t/the-global-war-on-end-to-end-en... It is very unlikely that E2E encryption will be available anywhere except decentralized protocols. You should already have been assuming any centralized actors are just pinkyswearing. The real question is — what do you really need E2E encryption for, in the sense of being resilient against ALL actors?
- elric 1y agoMore money for militarization, 5% NATO tax, money towards buying fossil fuels from the US. More moves towards surveillance of its own people. Europe is starting to look pretty unappealing. I've been fighting for our right to online privacy since the late 90s. And frankly, I feel burnt out. Politicians keep coming up with the same harebrained ideas. Their slippery slope is never as slippery as that of the oppressive regimes of yore. They will always use their powers for good. They will protect us, whereas the evil regimes wanted to control us. Sigh. And who knows, maybe they actually mean well .... but the slope remains just as slippery.
- rdm_blackhole 1y agoHell is paved with good intentions.
- stephen_g 1y agoSpecifically the road to hell (as the saying goes). It seems to be a problem with the whole 'Western' world - we're all on way with increasing authoritarianism and our leaders wanting to create police states...
- Saline9515 1y agoAside from the infamous privacy aspects, I'm wondering about the feasibility and the energy cost of running continously ML algos to scan content on a phone. Given that the private malware providers aren't accountable for it, I guess that it will noticeably degrade the average battery life for phones in the EU.
- matthewdgreen 1y agoIronically, one comment a legislator made was: if you can quantify the carbon cost of this proposal, they’re much more likely to take it seriously than any arguments about privacy.
- beefnugs 1y agoDont worry about it, the house of cards will be propped up with those truck-trailer-nuke-reactors. Only charging your phones if you have 3+ AI subscriptions and comply with all anti encryption laws of course
- TacticalCoder 1y agoKarl Popper, "The open society and its enemies": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance It's all about the paradox of tolerance. That chat control attempt is a direct result of the paradox of tolerance. The thing that makes me sick to my stomach is that some of the worst of worst intolerant discourse is going to be allowed and protected because it's "religious": because we are open, tolerant, societies we are tolerant with intolerance. If you have a holy book that calls for killing non-believers and taking their wive and daughters as sex slaves: that's fine because, see, it's religious. If you want to discuss that holy book online with your fellow believers: that's fine because, see, it's religious. But any talk criticizing that is going to be criminalized, crushed, pointed out as "far right" or any non-sense like that. It's shooting the messenger. Guess what's one of the issue concerning many people in a great many european cities at the moment? People feeling that religious extremism and obscurantism, middle-age style, is making a comeback. And people are organizing marches all over the EU. The last thing the EU wants is people on social media organizing themselves and protesting because they don't want the EU to become the next Syria or Somalia: most in the EU do not want the EU to become an intolerant continent. You could say that any chat control is bad. But that chat control is going to be used prevent the criticism of intolerance. It's really sad: I already moved three times, lived over four different countries (all in the EU) and now I'm planning to leave the EU while I still can (not that there are that many great places where I can realistically go). P.S: for those in the US you should cherish your first amendment
- jackdawipper 1y agosaying no to AI is a great way to become the third world
- smcin 1y ago'ChatControl' = proposed EU-wide framework for detecting and reporting text keywords, images, and videos in all digital private communications, nominally to prevent CSAM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Combat_Child_Sexual_Abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb...
- trallnag 1y agoI don't like pizza and hot dogs anyway
- 3r7j6qzi9jvnve 1y agoNote to poster if they happen to see this: as pointed out there's alt text... But it's plain wrong, saying "Countries like Germany, Poland, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, and the Netherlands are in green, indicating opposition or neutrality" when only the Netherlands, Poland an Austria are opposed; it's probably just been copied from an older version and could use updating.
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- Alles 1y agoAmerican exceptionalism, US is already more authoritarian than the EU by a wide margin, maybe try to get rid of the "barbarians" you already have in your country before pretending to help others.
- tailspin2019 1y agoYour comment history seems peppered with similar low-effort comments about Europe. As a European, I have some strong opinions about the state of your country at the moment. Opinions shared by quite a large proportion of your own population actually. But I manage to refrain from regularly and flippantly insulting entire continents and maintain some self awareness that we all have our own problems. I’d strongly encourage you to do the same.
- renewiltord 1y agoDoesn't take much effort to point out the truth. And it won't matter that much. When you've inevitably created your next crisis I guess we'll just have to come save you again. With freedom we will fix our issues. But you guys always cheer as you go through one way doors.
- nickslaughter02 1y agoThe main lobbying group behind the proposal is a US surveillance company called Thorn. ‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for Child Sex Content https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the-eus-fight-over-scanning-for-child-sex-content/ https://balkaninsight.com/2023/09/25/who-benefits-inside-the... Chat control & Kutcher: Ombudsman criticizes secrecy https://www.heise.de/en/news/Chat-control-Kutcher-Ombudsman-criticizes-secrecy-9805435.html https://www.heise.de/en/news/Chat-control-Kutcher-Ombudsman-...
- isaacremuant 1y agoBecause politicians are not accountable to you and are paid for by lobbyists. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is not a UK/US only problem. The EU nanny statism isn't a good thing nor is the loss of sovereignty associated with it. But hey, the left right binary choice strawman made it so that people basically pushed for more gov power no matter what and now it's too late to stop the inertia. The next time you need to vote against accumulation of power they'll scare you again with extremists, terrorists, drug dealers, children safety, disinformation (which is basically calling for suppression of freespeech and criminalization of wrongthink), etc. If you're still labeling people as "disinformation spreaders" that are dangerous then you can't complain.
- mastazi 1y agoI followed the link to that .eu website which then redirected me to https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ I was expecting to find a big CTA button that I could click to sign some message to my representatives. Instead I found a giant wall of text with "ideas on how to take action" followed by a list of points along the lines of "Is your government in favour? Ask for an explanation" OK, ask how? No links, no email addresses... basically it's just a page saying "if you care about this thing do your own homework and find a way to act" Whoever made that page needs to look into the concept of conversion rate. As it is right now it's basically useless
- thyristan 1y agoOn the other hand, templated mass emails to representatives get filtered out.
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- 0dayz 1y agoIt's jarring seeing these proposals after which we like to brag about being better than China on digital rights. The sad truth is that it's so much easier, cheaper and faster to have these laws than actually doing "police" work.
- pestat0m 1y agoi know it's included in the toot, but it feels like this thread should have the link to the act now site: https://chatcontrol.eu/ https://chatcontrol.eu/ "The EU Commission proposes... ...Mass surveillance by means of fully automated real-time surveillance of messaging and chats and the end of privacy of digital correspondence... ...network blocking, screening of personal cloud storage including private photos, mandatory age verification resulting in the end of anonymous communication, appstore censorship and excluding minors from the digital world..."