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Sega mistakenly reveals sales numbers of popular games
- camcil 1y agoI would've imagined these numbers to be much more than they are.
- StochasticLi 1y agoYup. This is surprising to me too. These are numbers of a relatively small IT/financial firm. I guess all the hundreds of millions of dollars in gaming are taken by a small % of companies like Rockstar or the big mobile games.
- gruez 1y agoAre you misreading the chart? They're not in dollars, they're in units. On slide 28 it mentions they sold 24 million units last year. Multiply by $30-60 to get actual revenue, and it's far in excess of "a relatively small IT/financial firm".
- camcil 1y agoThat makes much more sense, thank you. I just looked at the table on the linked page and not the *.pdf of the deck itself.
- StochasticLi 1y agothank you that makes sense
- bmitc 1y agoSEGA earns $2-3 billion in revenue every year.
- Hasnep 1y agoKeep in mind a lot of that is from Pachinko, see articles like this: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/56271/sega-made-1-billion-pachinko-last-nine-months/index.html https://www.tweaktown.com/news/56271/sega-made-1-billion-pac...
- m4tthumphrey 1y agoOff topic: how can anyone use that website. The ads are pure aids.
- Legend2440 1y agoEveryone except you is using adblock.
- m4tthumphrey 1y agoI do use adblock on desktop but never got round to it on mobile. But, either way, the average user likely isn't using an adblocker; how have we got to this stage where a website is more ads than content?
- palijer 1y agoAdguard DNS works amazing and the only way these sites are usable for me.
- mouse_ 1y agoupdate your vernacular and your ad blocker
- ThrowOregonAway 1y agoWe're not doing this social nannying any more, kiddo.
- mouse_ 1y agook dad
- koshergweilo 1y agoIt's wild to me how Team Sonic Racing sold more than Total War Three Kingdoms
- kmeisthax 1y ago[dead]
- raincole 1y ago... Why? It would be quite surprising if it were the other way around. I'm quite surprised that TW:3D sold that many copies, tbh.
- pinoy420 1y ago[dead]
- CactusRocket 1y agoI think in general Total War and its genre is relatively niche. While almost everybody is up for a bit of cartoony racing.
- ninetyninenine 1y agoRTSs aren’t popular anymore. Took me by surprise too.
- Nasrudith 1y agoPC games are relatively niche compared to console gaming for one. And RTSes tend to be heavily PC biased from the control schemes. Although these days you should be able to keyboard and mouse to a console due to being USB or Bluetooth connected anyway, using it on a couch without a desk would be awkward.
- Ekaros 1y agoOn other hand TW Warhammer III sold surprisingly well to me. I would have expected it to be much more niche...
- deafpolygon 1y agoIt’s amazing how valuable of an IP Sonic is. It still sells consistently well after all those years. I’m surprised even more at the P5R sales! I might actually have to give it a real try— tried it a couple years ago (P5 non-R) and didn’t really take to it, but I was put off by the whole anime vibe.
- xdfgh1112 1y agoIf you're put off by the anime vibe then there's no point trying it at all, you won't like it. It is a very anime game
- haiku2077 1y agoIf you don't like the anime style, Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 is directly inspired by Persona's combat system but has a more mature tone. I liked it a lot, and it's 97% positive reviews on Steam, so you're likely to enjoy it too.
- nottorp 1y ago> directly inspired by Persona's combat system That means they're both QTE based?
- zerocrates 1y agoSetting aside the big argument on whether Clair Obscur counts as turn-based, Persona 5 definitely does: it's more classically/rigidly turn-based than even the Final Fantasy games that use ATB.
- weiliddat 1y agoTurn based but with QTE elements
- PixelForg 1y agoAnd you can even parry! In terms of parrying, for me it is harder and more satisfying than Sekiro's parry system(which was my number one game in terms of combat, now Clair Obscur has taken it's place).
- swarnie 1y agoVideo game consumers have always baffled me and this data just adds to it. Who are the 7 million people going out to buy the 20th Persona game? What are you actually hoping to get from it that isn't just a slight variance on something you've already had multiple times before? I have friends genuinely excited to go buy Mario Cart for the 17th time this year... Once you've made two objects move along an enclosed route at differing speeds and slapped Nintendo marketing on top hasn't the game play evolved as much as possible? Could the money not be better spent coming up with new and interesting concepts rather than copy pasting the same stuff out every 12-18 months?
- tmsh 1y agoImho you are (1) trying to be original on HN (going against the grain) and (2) being dismissive of people’s genuine interests in an area - gonna lead to defensive downvotes. I agree with the responders that this is a common fallacy (good insights / learnings for us all). Eg I like following baseball but if you were to ask me about it 10 years ago I’d be pretty reductive about. I agree with the responders that there’s beauty in the seemingly little things at first that build. That said not all of us take the time to appreciate certain areas of beauty because there’s a lot of beauty out there. And that’s ok but nature does seem to indicate repetition and variation are fine.
- nikanj 1y agoFor many people, the 17th Mario Kart is the first one they buy. New people are made every day, and they won’t pay today’s prices for the first SNES version of Mario Kart
- xg15 1y agoI think this is the correct answer, and also applies to other media: The 20th Star Wars or Disney reboot isn't for you - it's for your grandchildren.
- matsemann 1y agoOr we haven't played every game in the series. Like how most iPhone generations "are the same", but most people don't buy every year. I last played Mario Kart on Nintendo Wii and enjoyed it. That's 17 years ago. I'll probably buy one of the newer versions at some point. And it will be very different from the game I played.
- v5v3 1y agoThe real story here is the highlighting of the flawed attempt to redact a document. Happens a lot.
- remram 1y agoDid they mean to redact though? The slide makes it seem like they are hidden because they are being adjusted, not because they are secret.
- uncircle 1y agoI should go sell to an intelligence agency a malicious PDF editor that covertly shares the plain text version any time someone uses the block out tool. There are billions of PDF files out there, but the ones are being redacted are the most valuable of the lot.
- quickthrowman 1y agoThe only foolproof way I trust is to redact it digitally, print it on paper, and scan it. I’ve used bad redaction to my advantage at work to make money, I’m all for other people using bad redaction techniques :)
- IshKebab 1y agoYou don't need to be that paranoid. Converting to a raster image format is sufficient.
- bqmjjx0kac 1y ago> I’ve used bad redaction to my advantage at work to make money You've certainly piqued my curiosity. Can you say any more?
- rogerrogerr 1y agoProbably trading of some sort?
- quickthrowman 1y ago
- robin_reala 1y agoA reminder that Apple’s Preview app has Redact functionality specifically for this use case: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/preview/prvw11580/mac https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/preview/prvw11580/mac
- throwaway743 1y agoSurprised Like A Dragon sales are lower than others. Been gaming since a kid in the 90s, and it easily ranked in my top 10. It's an instant classic.
- pacifika 1y agoThey renamed it from Yakuza, so it lost name recognition, not surprisingly.
- m4rtink 1y agoIsn't it the other way around, woth "like a dragon" being the actual japanese name of those games ?
- shinymark 1y agoYou’re right but it was called Yakuza in the west for many years. I don’t know if they made the right decision or not renaming it but it is interesting to consider if it made an impact in one way or another on sales.
- 3eb7988a1663 1y agoI have enjoyed a couple in the series, but they are a bit hard to recommend. All of the story lines are anime-ridiculous, have a mixture of fun and grindy minigames (the business development loses its luster pretty quickly), and a lot of trapsing around the map doing fetch quests for the lost soul du jour. If you want a great story, it is weak. Looking for a great tactics game, it is weak. The combination of gameplay styles is a ridiculous ride, but I can see how the genre mashup has limited appeal.
- npinsker 1y agoThe fantasy being sold (playing as a ragtag crew of 45yo, relatively normal, down-on-their-luck men) probably doesn’t help either.
- consumer451 1y agoOnly somewhat related, but a very cool link: > These retro SEGA games are now free on Android (and iOS) until they disappear forever https://www.androidauthority.com/sega-retro-games-android-free-3568153/ https://www.androidauthority.com/sega-retro-games-android-fr...
- tecleandor 1y agoOooooh, Crazy Taxi has the original music. Other ports didn't/couldn't license it.
- techpression 1y agoOne of the best game soundtracks ever, many fond memories of it playing hours upon hours on the Dreamcast.
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- andrepd 1y ago> End of Service: These games will be discontinued and removed Depressing how ephemeral and consumable everything is
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- alt227 1y agoHowever this 'End of Service' means they are stopping serving ads to the game, removing online services, and allowing them to be played offline forever. This is a much better outcome than most games or software that is discontinued.
- andrepd 1y agoIndeed, but they will also stop selling or distributing them, meaning they will only be available via pirates/archivists (which are endlessly harassed by these companies).
- StefanBatory 1y agoTo see WH3 sell less than Three Kingdoms was a surprise to me.
- Ekaros 1y agoThree Kingdoms likely did very strongly in Chinese market. Where as Warhammer is much more western brand. And well if some are happy enough with 1 or 2, and don't need to expand from there that also cuts sales.
- 3eb7988a1663 1y agoI also recall Warhammer 3 having somewhat mixed reviews at launch owing to bugs and/or missing features relative to the previous entry. As you say, if you are already happy with what was available in Warhammer 2, why buy the sequel which is going to have its own DLC treadmill?
- b0a04gl 1y agopersona 5 royal doing 7.25mil and sega still acting like it's some niche anime side hustle. meanwhile they keep pushing sonic into every genre except tax software
- gfaure 1y agoDon’t give them any ideas… https://taxheaven3000.com/ https://taxheaven3000.com/
- tumsfestival 1y agoI refuse to believe that's a real thing. Seems like something you'd see in a Paul Verhoeven movie.
- BobbyTables2 1y agoI’d love to see Sonic as CPA fighting Dr. Robotnik at the IRS! Tails would be a clerk…
- musicale 1y agoThat's good. Looking forward to Persona 6, maybe on the PlayStation 6 or 7.
- Hamuko 1y agoWe do have a Persona 5 dungeon crawler, a Persona 5 rhythm game, a Persona 5 hack-and-slash game, a Persona 5 tactics game and a Persona 5 mobile game, as well as a Persona 5 TV anime and Persona 5 manga.
- kubb 1y agoBut still no persona 6 ;(
- PaulHoule 1y agoIt's hard for me to picture how P6 could really be a step forward. I played P4G long ago on my PS Vita, bought P5R on Steam a while back and I'm most of the way through it on my Steam Deck right now. I love the story and the art for P5R but the game is a bit weak as a game, mainly in the way that other turn-based games (a genre I like) tend to be weak. Except for one battle, status effects mostly don't matter (just wait a few turns and they expire) Games with mechanics that don't matter are just so widespread: I think of Fire Emblem games where the weapon triangle doesn't matter because (i) it is so easy to overlevel characters, and (ii) if your characters is overleveled the weapon triangle doesn't matter. P5R is a crazy long game that doesn't make you make any choices about which social attributes you develop or which characters you befriend, new game plus is unimaginable because the game is so long so you feel you have to do everything which makes the game longer. On top of it the game sets deadlines for you to clear various dungeons which are never challenging to hit. ... and it's not that it is a bad game relative to other games, it's one of the best, but playing through makes think that people need to make something really different in the area of turn-based games mashed up with visual novels such as shorter games that you have to play through to experience everything or games where every mechanic is meaningful. Back in the PS Vita era there were many games where I would really enjoy the NG+ such as Akiba's Trip 2 in which playthoughs got faster and faster as you got stronger or the Neptunia games which had first rate voice acting in two languages and NG+ meant you could enjoy both.
- dghughes 1y agoSega in 2025? I thought they disappeared decades ago.
- mrweasel 1y agoWhy would Sega not reveal sales number for each game?