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The referenced reply is dull. It's very pretentious but just reiterates common knowledge, it doesn't convey any useful information. For example I wish someone

• Aardwolf 1y ago
  > Miele kitchen equipment That's... pretty standard in Europe
• socalgal2 1y ago
  Worst experience I've ever had was with a Miele dishwashing machine at an AirBnB in the Netherlands. I like my Miele vacuum cleaner though
  • nickd2001 1y ago
    What happened to that then? ;) We bought a Miele dishwasher to replace a Neff which broke down after 10 yrs (probably 16 yrs worth of "official" usage) due to a silly design fault that caused it to leak. Thought a fairly basic model Miele worth a shot, as because it a stupid built-in, there's extra costs getting it installed, so longer it lasts the better. So far, it seems to clean to fairly similar standard to the Neff. Key thing is how long it'll last. Not made in Germany anymore , says made in Czech. Might be fine. But think they've cut some costs. We also own, assumingly, a "Tesco Value" microwave which cost £22 in 2006. Fairly ugly. Has just 2 controls - power level and time. Absolutely hammered, used every day for 19 years, still works fine. I kind of worry whether after this time it will emit more microwaves out into the open so I stand back even more when using it ;)
    • whatevaa 1y ago
      Microwave tech hasn't advanced anywhere beyond timer and power level. Everything else is just a gimmick.
      • dagw 1y ago
        Mine has hot air and grill functionality. Completely changes how I use my microwave. Would never buy a microwave oven that just has microwaves.
      • rfrey 1y ago
        My microwave had an inverter rather than a transformer, which is a change I guess. Don't know if it's an improvement. I do know it was a disappointment to me when the microwave failed after 4 years and I went to salvage the transformer and there wasn't one.
      • imp0cat 1y ago
        I'd say that is not completely true. Variable power levels (on-off-on-off which certain cheaper microwave ovens do) are definitely not a gimmick, unless you like some parts of your meals cold and other piping hot. Same for induction cooktops, but I digress.
    • elzbardico 1y ago
      Put some cups of water surrounding the oven in multiple directions from its front (assume that leakage from the back is less likely and that unless you have metal walls, it won't reflect in your direction). Measure their temperature and take note in your notebook. Put another cup away from the microwaves but in the same environment to serve as control. Measure its temp and put in a notebook . Turn off any air-conditioning or fans in the kitchen, any sources of heat, you know the drill. Turn on your microwave oven for a long cycle (10, 15 minutes) measure temperatures in 1 or 2 minutes interval. Plot everything and compare against control.
      • JKCalhoun 1y ago
        Love the Hacker News.
  • tuyiown 1y ago
    The only thing people look up on Miele stuff is to last 20 years minimum. That and maybe the cutlery tray on dishwashers, but the patent expired some time ago. Everything else barely matters if the thing is workable one way or another.
• coldtea 1y ago
  >Unfortunately you need years to notice such long-term differences, unless someone tells you. Hardly rich, but that "veneer wood furniture and doors" are much better than "laminated chipwood" is common knowledge. But back in the day, poor and rich alike wouldn't look twice at either, but opt for solid wood furniture.
  • alexey-salmin 1y ago
    Well that falls under the "unless someone tells you" part. It depends on your background. I grew up in Russia in the 90s, back then it was considered cool to put plastic panels on the walls of your apartment. Fresh and modern look, easy to wash, clearly superior to wallpaper. It was called "euro-renovation" as opposed to soviet-style or "grandma" apartments.
    • rightbyte 1y ago
      Worse material marketed as modern non-grumpy grandpa and what ever is so infuriating and so hard to argue against. Hopefully I think this has changed though. Or I have become grumpy who knows. Touch panel oven tops is my main hate object in this regard.
    • coldtea 1y ago
      >Well that falls under the "unless someone tells you" part Well, everything falls under "unless someone tells you" in the grand scheme of things. But as far as furniture knowledge goes, it's of the most basic type, not something "just the rich would know".
      • alexey-salmin 1y ago
        Not really, many things you can observe and learn yourself fairly quickly. Some others are very hard to observe yourself (e.g. the poisonous effect of lead) but by now they are embedded into the collective consciousness. My worry is with things that are neither. In this particular context these are things that you know if you grow up in a rich/middle-class family, but hard to come by if you become rich/middle-class later in life.
• anal_reactor 1y ago
  > but it lasts 5-10 times longer I find it such a weird argument. Ok, your furniture from 1900 is still doing great, fantastic. The problems are: 1. Your great-grandfather had a different sense of esthetics, so shit just didn't fit your modern apartment. 2. You moved to a different country, and shipping fees of the furniture were ten times the cost of brand-new chipwood furniture (literally). 3. The furniture was designed with usage in mind that simply doesn't exist in modern world. 4. It was made specifically to fill a certain room. Your new place has a different layout. Deal with it. These arguments are even more true in the context of technology. "Look, my grandma's black-and-white TV is still working!"... great? I'd rather have a modern 4k OLED, but I guess that's just personal preference. Not to mention how having expensive things makes you a prisoner of these things. If your cat ruins Ikea cabinet, you'll be angry for a day. If your cat ruins your family heirloom, you'll be pissed.
  • alexey-salmin 1y ago
    We're not talking of centuries here. Laminated chipwood looks like shit in a matter of years. I can replace my phone every year but for a kitchen table or a bathroom door it's ridiculous, way too much hassle.
    • anal_reactor 1y ago
      I disagree. Sure, it wears down faster, but it still can last you just enough.
  • rienbdj 1y ago
    The best interiors feel lived in but not stuffy. A few old pieces of furniture can help achieve that. Part of the skill of interior design is making these pieces work together in new ways. You don’t want your home to feel like an ikea catalog surely!?
    • anal_reactor 1y ago
      > You don’t want your home to feel like an ikea catalog surely!? I do. Now what.
• safety1st 1y ago
  On a personal level I know several guys who are worth $10-30M, one who's worth probably $40M, and one who's worth around $700M, this is LNW. Not much in the Reddit reply checks out for me. It's true that the $700M guy socializes with "Senators/Congressmen/community leaders." He travels a lot, and comfortably, but has no ownership in a jet. He retired young-ish and no longer works so maybe that's why. He doesn't flash his wealth around except to women he likes, and it's an absolute magnet for them, he gets pretty much any woman he wants to sleep with him simply by being a decent guy who's also worth $750M. I mean, they know that as long as he's dating them they will have a life of permanent luxury travel and not have to work, so not a surprise. But beyond that he's pretty unassuming, doesn't flash his wealth, and mainly just likes to talk about finance and give people business advice. The $10-30M people don't seem much different from me. Their contingencies for dealing with potential financial catastrophes run a lot deeper than mine. Their property is worth more and they do travel a bit more frequently and lavishly than I do. Idk nobody I know is doing this stuff where they're really fixated on getting into the best restaurant in town, or they're totally inaccessible except through their "people" and personal assistants. I don't know a lot of it sounds like a type of person I don't associate with I guess, maybe I am not flamboyant and rich enough. I know there are rich people out there who spend like this guy describes; I interact with them very occasionally and briefly; I'm sure I am super boring to them; I question whether they remain that rich for very long :) I don't know anyone who hobnobs with celebrities nor wants to. The comment is 10 years old, maybe Hollywood has lost its cultural cachet. Eureka, that's it: this is probably a post about Hollywood people.
  • NooneAtAll3 1y ago
    what does LNW mean?
    • InfiniteLoup 1y ago
      >what does LNW mean? "Liquid net worth", I'd assume.
  • nothrowaways 1y ago
    the NW of 700M guy increased to 750M in 1 min - does he sell eggs?
• mellosouls 1y ago
  I think you have a couple of good examples in your comment and I understand you would have liked more along those lines, but: The referenced reply is dull. It's very pretentious but just reiterates common knowledge, it doesn't convey any useful information. I disagree strongly - its not a multiple-gold answer that is now being linked to years later for no reason. I read it years ago and have always remembered it - one of those rare internet comments that I think is a classic informational moment, well-written and illuminating.
  • albedoa 1y ago
    This is fascinating to me and I'm sure many people who read your comment. What did you learn from the reddit comment that you didn't know before reading it ten years ago? Why has it stuck with you?
    • mellosouls 1y ago
      I particularly remembered the gradations, but not the details. I remembered enjoying reading it and that it has insights into fantastic worlds and have revisited it at times, like I did here.
• oezi 1y ago
  > Price is 3-4 times higher but it lasts 5-10 times longer The problem is that if an Ikea furniture lasts 15 years then that's enough. People no longer need 50-100 years furniture, because nobody wants to inherit old stuff anymore. Life's circumstances change faster and buying quality often isn't worth it. Maybe a Miele dishwasher last twice as long at double the price. But it will become old after 10 years even so.
  • Cthulhu_ 1y ago
    > People no longer need 50-100 years furniture, because nobody wants to inherit old stuff anymore. I'm going to challenge this assertion: did anyone, ever? Looking around in my parents' house (retirement age), there's no furniture from their parents (post-WW2). I don't remember whether my grandparents had any furniture of their parents in use either. I do recall going to the charity shops and finding older wooden furniture; while I recognize it as better quality as what you can get today, at the same time it's no longer useful today. TV cabinets (with doors) for CRT TVs and video tapes, writing tables, those kinds of things are obsolete. Tables are timeless though. But also, over time a lot of that old furniture was either destroyed or bought up and exported. What you find in the charity stores near me today is mostly 90's and onwards.
    • lmm 1y ago
      > did anyone, ever? Yes. Pre-railroad people mostly didn't move and inheriting furniture was extremely helpful. Go back earlier and the cost of buying your own furniture would have been prohibitive.
    • Semaphor 1y ago
      > Looking around in my parents' house (retirement age), there's no furniture from their parents (post-WW2). I don't remember whether my grandparents had any furniture of their parents in use either. My parents are both 70+, they have 3 big cabinets from their parents, made from solid wood. I’d not mind having them in the right place. They look and handle great, only the drawers could use some finetuning ;)
    • JKCalhoun 1y ago
• em500 1y ago
  > For example I wish someone told me about the existence of Miele kitchen equipment before I accidentally rented an apartment of a well-to-do woman. Don't believe the hype. I got an apartment full with Miele kitchen equipment (from the previous owner, but less than 10 years old). They're nothing special, and I got a lot more random errors on the oven ("please contact service", tried that once, they were as clueless as you'd expect) than in my previous Siemens kitchen.
  • Loic 1y ago
    We are all Miele at home and for the next renewal, I will go to Bosch/Siemens. Too many small failures here and there (less than 8 year old). I was sincerely surprised because 20 years ago, Miele was the gold standard (at least in Germany). So, I agree with you.
    • alexey-salmin 1y ago
      Well see: by the time I learned about Miele it's already too late!
    • DSingularity 1y ago
      What about gaggenau?
      • riehwvfbk 1y ago
        It's the Bentley Bentayga of apppliances: same VW bones, fancy badge. Gaggenau is Bosch, exact same replacement parts fit.
      • Der_Einzige 1y ago
        I compared Miele, Thermador, gaggenau, and regular Bosch 800 fridge side-by-side in a appliance store. There is nothing on those higher end versions which make them worth anything close to the markup on the Bosch 800 fridge. If I'm going to spend almost 2X, you better give me at a minimum fully metal and glass construction (almost no plastic). I get slightly more metal and slightly (very slightly) stronger plastics. That's about it. What a scam. Don't buy Miele or gaggenau. If you want a truly high end fridge, you'll need a built in made by someone like subzero or its competitors.
• d--b 1y ago
  There are pros and cons for "luxury" items. Sometimes they're overpriced (Miele is), sometimes they're expensive to maintain (try get a stain out of marble), sometimes they're not durable (think of cashmere sweaters). There is no secret sauce that tells you whether the price of something you buy is a proxy for its qualities. And when you buy something expensive, you're kind of pissed when it breaks. That's why many wealthy people go for the expensive luxury shit at first, like buying a Porsche, or a 30k kitchen remodel, only to go back to good old Toyota and ikea kitchen, cause they're just as fine and a fifth of the price / maintenance. You usually learn those things the hard way.
  • sellmesoap 1y ago
    As a person who's installed quartz countertops for a living, I'd shy away from IKEA kitchens. I agree with your point, but I'd take exception to the general quality of their cabinets in Canada at least.
    • d--b 1y ago
      Idk, I've seen 40-year-old Ikea cabinets being totally fine (in France). Nowadays, the trend is that people buy the cabinet frames from Ikea, and then buy the doors, handles, and bottom support from someone else who makes more durable ones. The thing is that with Ikea, I kind of know what I get. From a custom kitchen cabinet maker, I could get something that lasts a lifetime, or something that wears quickly.
      • song 1y ago
        There's been a severe decline in quality with Ikea though. I know that the cabinets prior to 2012 were significantly better than now.
        • d--b 1y ago
          Ah thanks for pointing out
      • ricardobayes 1y ago
• firemelt 1y ago
  anybody can elaborate more about the miele? why miele?
  • Ekaros 1y ago
    Generally at least some models at least used to be very reliable. Like I just discussed with my parents that their clothes washer is over 20 years old. And been in regular use without any issues or significant maintenance. That sort of lifespan isn't really expected from even premium models from most brands. So they do have perceived quality of being more expensive but more long lasting goods.
  • vertnerd 1y ago
    I've had the same Miele HEPA vacuum cleaner for 35 years. I've replaced various pieces on it over the years. The bags are still available. It refuses to become obsolete.
  • enneff 1y ago
    I’ve had to repair my Miele dishwasher several times. (Faulty heater relay, common problem with the model.) also coincidentally the spring in the door broke yesterday. Otherwise it does clean the dishes very well and it’s quiet and attractive looking. I bought it because they have a good rep. But I’ve owned this dishwasher for 15 years and it’s still going. My Fisher and Paykel fridge I’ve had for 20+ years and it’s never needed any maintenance whatsoever. To me that’s pretty amazing.
  • foobarian 1y ago
    I got one because it was the only reasonable model I could find with a water softener built in. It lasted a good while (~8 years) and performed well i.e. no hard water stains on dishes. After 8 years it developed a grinding noise in the recirculation pump which pointed to broken gears and a replacement which would cost in the ballpark of a new machine so I replaced it. The design itself has some "German overfeatured" idiosyncrasies to me. Like, when the wash is done, a little stick extends out of the top of the machine pushing the door open to vent. But then, when you tug on the door to open it, you can hear a little geared motor spin and retract that stick. Just more stuff to design, add to BOM, and to break.
• InvOfSmallC 1y ago
  Same experience. We found Miele in the apartment we bought. We understood the why for the price. Worth it.
• Cthulhu_ 1y ago
  > Similarly it took me a long time to realize just how much better the veneer wood furniture and doors are compared to laminated chipwood. Price is 3-4 times higher but it lasts 5-10 times longer and is much more pleasant to use. Unfortunately you need years to notice such long-term differences, unless someone tells you. Isn't this also down to age? That is, stuff like that built 100 years ago is - in my head - better quality. However, this may very well be survivorship bias - of course anything built 100 years ago still around today is good, because anything that wasn't as good is long gone. Like my ikea furniture will be as soon as I try to move it.
  • alexey-salmin 1y ago
    I'm not looking into 100 years old stuff, that's mostly solid wood anyway. I'm referring to my consistent experience of buying both laminated chipwood and veneer wood things, then seeing the former disintegrate within 5 years and the latter last 10 years with no visible damage. It's all good now, I just wish it didn't take me 10 years to gain this knowledge. On another hand if I got it much earlier it wouldn't benefit me either because I could only afford cheap stuff anyway.
  • bluGill 1y ago
    We still know how to make the things that last. Modern engineering can do better than the 100 year old things. However we also know how to make things much worse. They couldn't make chipwood 100 years ago.
  • mrguyorama 1y ago
    >However, this may very well be survivorship bias - of course anything built 100 years ago still around today is good, because anything that wasn't as good is long gone. Like my ikea furniture will be as soon as I try to move it. It's a 100% surviorship bias. The knockoff "ikea" style flatpack dresser that I assembled (incorrectly) when I was 12 lasted 20 years, and only finally went away because I was moving in with my girlfriend and we could afford slightly more "real" and coordinated furniture. It would have continued to work for longer. The stuff that lasts 100 years is primarily just whatever is bought by people who treat their stuff well. That has vastly more impact than any product design excluding the modern planned obsolescence and negligence with electronics. Basically any Toyota can make it to 250k miles, but the Million Mile Lexus is still impressive to people because it tells you about the history of the car more than the manufacturer. If you want to know what cars will make it to 1 million miles, you don't look at reliability stats, you look at what was bought by middle aged wealthy men who were good friends with very careful mechanics.
• mathverse 1y ago
  Except Miele is not a luxurious brand it's just a slightly highend piece of equipment.
• master_crab 1y ago
  Miele looks and acts high end. And that includes the repair costs because they frequently break. No thanks. I’ll take something that is less so but will work for years without complaint.
  • tlb 1y ago
    Yes, but the quietness outweighs all other considerations.
  • sriram_malhar 1y ago
    Anecdata. I've had Miele washer, dryer and cooktop. No parts changed, no maintenance done on them since 1992. Works absolutely fine.
    • whatevaa 1y ago
      1992 and todays Miele might be the same. You know, 3 decades have passed.
      • elzbardico 1y ago
        enshittification is universal
      • phatfish 1y ago
        Miele oven, hob (cook top?) and extractor fan all still work fine since they were installed around 2004 in my flat. The flat was even rented before i bought it.
    • dagw 1y ago
      You cannot necessarily compare a 1990s Miele product and 2020s Miele product. I've hardly ever heard of people having problems with their old Miele stuff, know several people who have had problems with their new Miele stuff. Further anecdotally (from a guy who works at an appliance store) there is a difference in quality between Miele stuff made in their German factories and stuff made in their newer Eastern European factories (often their 'budget' line).
• dinkblam 1y ago
  > existence of Miele kitchen i'd pay not to own Miele
• ponector 1y ago
  Next stage is to realize solid wood is better than veneer wood. Also miele has too much marketing hype. Want the ultimate appliances? Buy professional equipment. Like washing machine that are used in hotels.
  • martin_a 1y ago
    > Buy professional equipment. Just what I thought and wanted to add. I guess if an appliance is used each day for several hours, that will last a lifetime in my home for use once or twice a week. Downside: Professional kitchen equipment is also optimized for being easy to clean. Could be a problem if you don't like pure stainless steel very much... ;-D
  • akvadrako 1y ago
    Those are designed to have a service contract for continuous maintenance. Not the best idea for a home.
    • bluGill 1y ago
      Most of them don't have a contract. And most homes wouldn't want the type of appliance that needs a service contract anyway.
      • fragmede 1y ago
        On a thread about what the rich people do, not being able to afford a service contract isn't something the rich do. Ever have a IT person on call for your own house because you're to busy being rich? At some level of rich you want the service contract.
        • mrguyorama 1y ago
          Eh, that level of rich doesn't care about a service contract. If their hyper-fancy, whatever gadget filled dishwasher/oven dies randomly because it's made like cheap shit and all the features are just checking boxes, they don't care, they can have it replaced within an hour, so the cook will just have to deal with only a single oven until then. Which is why the rich are terribly undiscerning purchasers: the downside for them is some wasted pocket change. The time it took to consider the purchase already earned them more money than they will spend. The appliances themselves however absolutely are built and designed to be serviced regularly to meet their expected lifespans.
• im3w1l 1y ago
  > Price is 3-4 times higher but it lasts 5-10 times longer and is much more pleasant to use. If you are rich then you can buy something that is 20 times more expensive and lasts twice as long. The efficiency doesn't matter as much when it's chump change either way.
• JKCalhoun 1y ago
  The referenced reply covers several tiers of wealth and, to be sure, can be simplified to: as you move up in wealth so to does your access to real estate, luxury and political power. But your comment on Meile, nice kitchen cabinets, sounds like you're looking only for what the next tier above you is enjoying. (And go Bosch for the dishwasher, BTW.)
  • alexey-salmin 1y ago
    > But your comment on Meile, nice kitchen cabinets, sounds like you're looking only for what the next tier above you is enjoying. No, not really. These are examples of things I know from N+1 level. I'm curious to hear about N+2, N+3 and so on. Some of the points shared in this thread fit nicely, like "buying identical cars in locations you visit often". Or something like "don't by 488, find a used 458 instead -- it's more fun for lower price" would be appreciated. The original post instead just rambles like this: "I know rich people, let me tell you how rich they are. You wouldn't believe it. Like, really really rich. Like they have their own island, you know". I don't see how that's useful.
    • bluGill 1y ago
      A lot of things aimed at the middle class are better than what is aimed at the rich. There are not enough rich people pay engineers and so you end up with a $30,000 appliance that has the same features as the $1000 version and is lower quality because the few people who can afford to spend that much isn't enough to work out all the over time, while the lower priced models they release a limited run and then watch to see what breaks and fixes that....
      • alexey-salmin 1y ago
        Sure. I'm not interested in high-quality appliances per se, it's just an example of something middle class people buy that poor people aren't really aware of. The original question still stands: What do insanely wealthy people buy, that ordinary people know nothing about? By the definition of the question I can't know the answer myself: I am "ordinary people" so I must know nothing about it. So what's left to me is to suggest parallels at the level I do know something about. Another example of a "middle class thing", not related to things or appliances: services, in particular moving. I changed flats many times in my life, more than 10. I used to pack, load, unload and unpack everything by myself and at some point it started to take 2-3 days of my time full time. Then one time I contracted an end2end moving service (you just give them the keys) and I would never ever go back. Recently a friend of mine was moving and asked to help to load the truck. After an hour of sweating I asked why he didn't contract someone -- this idea just never crossed his mind. A year later he was moving again and was grateful for the advice. Surely, rich people enjoy services that would never cross my middle class mind? A governour for the child maybe? Well I would never know.
• Aeolun 1y ago
  Heated toilet seats with bidet. You will never want to go back.
  • WinstonSmith84 1y ago
    move to a warm country and that problem is solved.
    • rfrey 1y ago
      A luxury reserved for your ski chalet, then
• kiney 1y ago
  Miele is considered special elsewhere? In germany it's one of the most common brands of kitchen equipment and probably the most common brand for washing machines. I personally consider them overpriced for the quality. My family rents out a vacation home with three units, all equipped with washing machines and dries from miele and we had a couple of them fail over the years.
• tough 1y ago
  Miele is a pretty well known standard german brand no? I'm sure they have higher-end stuff but i dunno, maybe you could have researched it, or just didnt find the need before? There's a pretty good saying about 10$ boots that last a year or 100$ ones that last 10 years If you're well enough, you can probably afford more things that you can use anyways, so it makes sense to optimize for those that give you the most kicks for your bucks, even if they're technically more expensive.
  • Lio 1y ago
    > Miele is a pretty well known standard french brand no? Miele are German in fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miele https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miele
    • tough 1y ago
      ty fixed that lol sounds frenchy to me (the name tho)
      • ragazzina 1y ago
        It means "honey" in Italian.
        • tough 1y ago
          Oh that does make a lot of sense and maps easily to -miel- in Spanish or just -mel- from latin. I love how similar all latin-based languages look like at the roots
• myself248 1y ago
  My mom worked at a law firm where one of the partners retired, moved to England, and bought a castle. As one does. He told this story while back in the States for a party: Castles are old. And drafty. And need a LOT of renovations to bring them up to a modern standard. So he had immediately set upon this work, hiring contractors, picking out high-end appliances, arranging for the import of Italian marble countertops... And once the place was looking nice, he threw a housewarming (castlewarming?) party, and invited all the folks from the neighboring castles. And at this party, he was regaling one of the old-money guests with how nice the downdraft range was, and how it really felt special with the new counters. "Fascinating.", replied Old-money. "I have never been in my kitchen."
  • FreebasingLLMs 1y ago
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    • financltravsty 1y ago
      It's old-world ragebait. Falling for it is lowly -- like you don't know the game.
    • fennecbutt 1y ago
      Damn bro, shut your damn mouth using that offensive word for people like me. It's fucking 2025. Hurr durr 4chan kid, that site is dead now time to grow up. I hope dang senses a disturbance in the force.
      • HaZeust 1y ago
        You sunk to his level. First mistake.
        • fennecbutt 1y ago
          No. I will always react to homophobia with aggression. There is no bargaining to be had or pleasantries to be exchanged.
• potato3732842 1y ago
  >The referenced reply is dull. It's very pretentious but just reiterates common knowledge, it doesn't convey any useful information. This is a textbook example of why you can't get a serious answer to anything nuanced on a vote based platform. The low common denominator stuff that is easy to agree with gets everybody clicking the right-think button and to the top it goes. Anything with nuance or controversy gets buried. Even this comment I am replying to probably wouldn't have wound up where it is did it not pay homage to the god of groupthink by cheerleading for Meile, though any other brand the upper middle class likes would have fulfilled the same rhetorical purpose.
• b3lvedere 1y ago
  Not sure if Miele is still what it used to be. To my knowledge Miele products tend to live a tad longer for almost twice the price. I do wonder what household appliances these homes have that Enes Yilmazer shows on his YouTube channel. It seems it's always the same huge black/silver color washer and dryer.
• Damogran6 1y ago
  In covid had a whirlpool dishwasher that lasted less than 3 years (4 subsystems failing all at the same time)...it was either wait 2-X months for the Miele we wanted, or pay twice as much to have it today. ($2k vs $1k) I'm uncomfortably enamored with this dishwasher. (Bought it over a Bosch as the percentage needing repair in the first year was 8% instead of 12% and I was flat done with it.) The dishwasher is fully enclosed...the typical DW is open at the back with all the guts just barely contained in an open structure. To balance the dishwasher, you slide it into the nook and turn two bolt heads that have a mechanism that raise the back of the dishwasher after it's set in place. There are instructions on how to install matching cabinet faces...the buttons are on the top of the door...if you want zero indication you have a dishwasher, they'll accomodate. While the drawers(?) are well thought out and can take a lot of dishes, it shines when you're entertaining, it flat SOAKS UP dishes and flatware and has cycles to safely wash crystal. We never seem to use this. It has pucks full of detergent, a load now a days costs about $1.80...more than I'd like, but the simple avoidance of pouring soap and having a sixpack delivered when you need it is a crazy luxury. 5 years in and it's been faultless.
  • rfrey 1y ago
    Do I understand from this that they lock you into... proprietary soap?
    • potato3732842 1y ago
      You can toss a spoon of powder into any dishwasher before pressing go.
    • dagw 1y ago
      You don't have to use it, as the machines still have the option to use normal dish washer tablets. But if you want to use their auto dosing feature (in theory it works out how dirty your dishes are and does only as much detergent as you need), then yes you're locked into their proprietary system, and paying 2-4 times as much per wash.
    • Damogran6 1y ago
      Stockholders are all about the after-sale subscription model. The convenience outweighs the cost at this point. I'm not proud about it.
• noboostforyou 1y ago
  > Price is 3-4 times higher but it lasts 5-10 times longer and is much more pleasant to use. "The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. ... A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. ... But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet. This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socio-economic unfairness."
  • ackbar03 1y ago
    I'm curious about this though, does a rich man actually wear the same pair of boots for 10 years? That being said, I've noticed that a lot of clothes that I bought 10 years ago or so are of pretty high quality compared to today, (and no, they are not rich man's clothes). Some of them I actually have been wearing for more than 10 years now.
    • FrankPetrilli 1y ago
      Oh hey I'm uniquely positioned to answer this; though I'm in tech (and at this point frankly speaking well-compensated) my family have been bootmakers for decades. I'm sitting at a tech office right now wearing a pair of boots that my father made for me in 2015 - regardless, they're absolutely spotless and I'd wear them to a formal event without hesitation. Every 6 months or so when I'm by his store I shine them up and put in a fresh pair of leather laces. Every 3 or so years, he re-soles them when the soles eventually wear out and lose traction. Eventually they'll require a rebuild, but they've got probably another 5-10 years of daily wear in them before that. I've got a few more pairs I swap between every so often, like a pair with OD green canvas that looks nice with khakis, but these solid black ones are my daily wear. While 10 years sounds like a good run for boots, my father has a pair at ~35 years old now that he still wears frequently. IIRC they've been through one or two rebuilds and few re-soles in that time. Were these commodity sneakers, I'd be purchasing a new pair every few months. Even nice running or trail shoes only tend to last a few hundred miles in my experience, but I've put tens of thousands on these and will get ten thousand more easily. Re-soles and rebuilds aren't free, but they're less than a replacement and put years of lifetime back on the boot. They're also comfortable as hell and fit me like a glove. So in short: yeah, rich men do wear the same pair of boots for 10 years, or even far longer.
• bushbaba 1y ago
  Disagree it lasts 5-10 times longer. IKEA kitchens will last anywhere from 10-30 years. 5-10 times longer is 50-300 years, which is well outside the range veneered hardwood kitchen cabinets will last.
  • m463 1y ago
    depends on the ikea product. I had ikea stuff that: - bubbled when liquid spilled on it - scratched easily - had screws loosen over time. basically all of them (this was non-kitchen stuff, I just haven't bought a kitchen from them)
• gammarator 1y ago
  > veneer wood furniture If I were wealthy, I’d be getting solid hardwood…
  • alexey-salmin 1y ago
    Well so would I, too bad I'm not wealthy.
• caulkboots 1y ago
  The only Miele you want is the vacuum cleaner.
  • Der_Einzige 1y ago
    The only vaccum cleaner you want is a central vac (Miele doesn't make these). Central Vac's are easily 4X as powerful for often the same price as the over priced Miele stuff.
    • mdp2021 1y ago
      Thanks for the info! Do you happen to have references?
• PeterStuer 1y ago
  Honestly, Miele is the brand of choice for anyone middleclass over 40, at least in Europe, so I'm sure most (grand)patents would have told you. Not exactly a 'secret'.
• ricardobayes 1y ago
  In Europe, Miele is definitely understated wealth, so are hardwood floors in good condition (20+ year neglected floors don't count). Geothermal heating systems.
• account42 1y ago
  > Similarly it took me a long time to realize just how much better the veneer wood furniture and doors are compared to laminated chipwood. Price is 3-4 times higher but it lasts 5-10 times longer and is much more pleasant to use. Unfortunately you need years to notice such long-term differences, unless someone tells you. You also need to be able to afford the higher up front price. Sam Vimes boots theory of socioeconomic unfairness in practice.