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Hunt for Red October 1990 (2016)
- boricj 2y agoThe making of for "The Hunt for Red October" describes some of the other practical effects inside that movie, like the scenes on the surface with the Red October or the set for the interiors of the submarines: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2_epfA20dOY https://youtube.com/watch?v=2_epfA20dOY
- bambax 2y agoGreat reportage, thanks! What a great movie that is. I can't get enough of Scott Glenn as a captain.
- dylan604 2y agoI never had a mental image of Mancuso from reading the book, but Glenn is what was always pictured in my mind in any of the other books he appears. Similar for Jack, I never really got a mental image of Ford or Affleck, it was always closer to Baldwin if not quite Baldwin. Mancuso was just flat out Glenn.
- keane 2y agoPresumably the description that "mirrors were used in a periscope like arrangement" refers to something like these: https://www.keslowcamera.com/gear/lenses/other/periscopes-and-probes/ https://www.keslowcamera.com/gear/lenses/other/periscopes-an... or https://www.panavision.com/camera-and-optics/optics/product-detail/flsc-frazier-lens-system https://www.panavision.com/camera-and-optics/optics/product-...
- ggm 2y agoI once played with a sub miniature version of this with a 35mm screw adapter. I think it's the kind of thing used to shoot inside violins, or the one I saw architectural models. Bigger would admit much more light for film
- ggm 2y agoMy memory is the intruded explosions and depth charge effects were a bit intrusive to the model. ILM was fusing digital and analogue effects?
- rtkwe 2y agoThey look like they were taken separately and composited in later but I don't think they're digital effects beyond compositing them into the shot, rig removal, color matching/grading etc.
- Noumenon72 2y agoThe pylon holding up the ship out of frame reminded me of the Captain Disillusion video on how they did the ship in Flight of the Navigator. https://youtu.be/tyixMpuGEL8?si=PBwP3BWLcuSfTu2n&t=206 https://youtu.be/tyixMpuGEL8?si=PBwP3BWLcuSfTu2n&t=206
- mark_undoio 2y agoThank you - I'm watching that video now and it's amazing!
- ljf 2y agoOff topic, but always amazed me that the Russian submarine in this film has a swimming pool (more like a plunge pool) but still seems wild. https://youtu.be/JrULRXlAlMU?si=kvh64qy64E7aqXPY https://youtu.be/JrULRXlAlMU?si=kvh64qy64E7aqXPY
- pbhjpbhj 2y agoPresumably there's some point in the film where you see this is actually in a sub rather than a propaganda film made elsewhere?
- skhr0680 2y agoIt’s real, there are photos from a real tour of a Typhoon submarine
- unwind 2y agoThis [1] seems to be a Quora post featuring such images. Very cool, didn't know that! [1]: https://www.quora.com/Did-the-Typhoon-class-of-submarine-really-have-a-swimming-pool https://www.quora.com/Did-the-Typhoon-class-of-submarine-rea...
- mytailorisrich 2y agoThere are two decomissioned Typhoons visible on Google Maps, with parking spaces and cars for scale: https://maps.app.goo.gl/ov8Ppr6PE6X1gG1B9 https://maps.app.goo.gl/ov8Ppr6PE6X1gG1B9
- sandworm101 2y agoIt only seems wild in light of how the US relates to its military. For all the hype about life in the russian navy, you are still much more likely to see sailors suntanning on a russian ship than any USN boat. Look at this footage. Look at the guys on the helo deck. When russian sailors have time off, they take it seriously. https://youtu.be/fVXxTS2f8CE https://youtu.be/fVXxTS2f8CE
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- beloch 2y agoIt's interesting that ILM went with a smoke chamber to shoot the underwater scenes in this film. It was probably a lot easier than shooting underwater and less likely to screw up the models. Some of the time this method looks fantastic but, at other times, it looks like a model in a room full of smoke. I've always found the underwater model scenes shot for Das Boot[1] to be more convincing. [1]https://theasc.com/articles/das-boot https://theasc.com/articles/das-boot
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- bambax 2y agoUnderwater scenes on "For your eyes only" (1981) were all filmed on land because Carole Bouquet couldn't go underwater. When you know it you can see it, but when I saw the film (one of the first time I ever went to the movies) I didn't notice it at all.
- dylan604 2y agoIt's less about screwing up the models as much as not needing a pool, as well as not needing underwater capable cameras. Underwater rigging for cameras puts incredible limitations on what camera is used, the motion of the camera, etc. Keeping everything dry is always going to be preferred. The motion control equipment isn't meant for use underwater either. It just makes much more sense to shoot it dry. Especially considering this was before CGI and 3D rendering was in its infancy, maybe toddler stages.
- hinkley 2y agoAdhesion and cohesion always fuck up scenes that combine scale models and water. Splashes always look very wrong, and in the case of a submersible bubbles could be a problem. Smoke chamber makes sense. Although in the days since “O Brother Where Art Thou?”, when they added dust-yellow color to the entire movie in post, maybe there are other ways now, if you didn’t want to go entirely to CGI.
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- mmustapic 2y agoThis man bought the prop recently https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/10/28/the-hunt-for-red-october-leads-to-wyoming-and-the-powell-man-who-bought-it/ https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/10/28/the-hunt-for-red-oct...
- dylan604 2y agoI don't think prop is the right word here
- belter 2y agoIf you like Red October, dont miss the french movie "Le chant du loup". Absolutely great for lovers of the genre: "The Wolf's Call" - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7458762/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7458762/
- bartekpacia 2y ago+1! I had little expectations toward that movie (I think it was just randomly airing on the TV and I watched it), but was very pleasantly surprised. I'm a fan of Clancy's books (and movies based on them), and The Wolf's Call could easily be one of them.
- boleary-gl 2y agoI love Clancy's books too and hate that they ruined his legacy by slapping his name on a whole bunch of books he didn't write at the end there.
- owlninja 2y agoAnd "Das Boot"!
- belter 2y agoYes of course! I did not mention it since it's so well know.
- sandworm101 2y agoFyi, based on a true story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_frigate_Storozhevoy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_frigate_Storozhevoy "Gregory D. Young was the first Westerner to investigate the mutiny as part of his 1982 master's thesis Mutiny on Storozhevoy: A Case Study of Dissent in the Soviet Navy. One of 37 copies of Young's thesis was placed in the Nimitz Library of the United States Naval Academy where it was read by Tom Clancy, then an insurance salesman, who used it as inspiration to write The Hunt for Red October."
- ToddWBurgess 2y agoThere is a great YouTube video on the subject if you are interested. Its 38 minutes long but worth the watch. When The Soviets Hunted Down Their Own Warship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkBQl7YRI3E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkBQl7YRI3E
- radiowave 2y agoYoutube channel InCamera did an interesting series of videos showing their use of practical effects in the creation of a submarine-based short. Not directly related to Red October, but folks might find it worth a watch. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0pnlLzhW4c1v-vKUWRWXZBD4no4F_fGH&si=y4iLaUqZiN6zwuWX https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0pnlLzhW4c1v-vKUWRWXZBD4...
- zombot 2y agoYay, in one of the photos there's a giant mermaid beside the submarine! Great article.
- sswaner 2y ago“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.” Overheard every few sprints…
- PaulRobinson 2y agoYah, yah, yah... [waves people away while walking through offices, before sitting down to a cup of tea and some correspondence] That scene is how most Monday mornings feel as I start to process my inbox. Including dropping the cup of tea all over myself and immediately needing a meeting with my superiors.
- gwbennett 2y agoGreat read on how ILM made the shots. As a crew member on the USS Salt Lake City (SSN-716), we took many of the cast and crew out to sea for 24 hours before they made the movie to get a feel for what sub-life was like before they made the movie. All the cast and crew were great, and I think it made the movie better. Actor Scott Glenn, who plays the Captain of Dallas, modeled his character after our Captain, Tom Fargo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rjO_VrESNo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rjO_VrESNo It is a great movie!
- encoderer 2y agoYou read the book? I’m curious how all of the operational details and jargon held up to a real sailor.
- gwbennett 2y agoyes, I read the book before I got to the boat when I was at nuclear reactor prototype training in Idaho. Read it on the long bus rides back and forth to the site. Yes, it was good and pretty operationally accurate. All the sub lingo etc, is accurate. Some of the actors on the bridge of the Dallas were active duty sub sailors at the time.
- dctoedt 1y ago> the long bus rides back and forth to the site Did you live in IF or Pokey? For some reason an image of my small green bus pillow came to mind. I wonder what happened to it.
- cwillu 2y agoIn case you didn't know, Tom Clancy has also written a lot of non-fiction military reference material: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy_bibliography#Non-fiction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy_bibliography#Non-fi...
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- tptacek 2y agoJust a quick note that this film really holds up, like weirdly well given its subject and vintage. If you haven't watched it in a long time, add it to your list.
- gdubs 2y agoWatched it again recently — still great. Alec Baldwin is a great Jack Ryan. It's such different role than what he's become known for since.
- MarcelOlsz 2y agoNow watch the uncut version of Das Boot undubbed (5hr8m long).
- metalliqaz 2y ago> 5hr8m long pass
- MarcelOlsz 2y ago3 movies you would hate ranked from most to least: 1) Christian Marclay's The Clock 2) Sátántangó 3) Dekalog
- HeyLaughingBoy 2y ago/me remorsefully remembers the cute German girl who asked him if he wanted to go see it with her. Decades later, it occurred to me that she liked me. Oh, well, story of my life!
- tptacek 2y agoThe 5 hour uncut Das Boot is an amazing first date.
- MarcelOlsz 2y ago
- nodesocket 2y agoOne of my favorite movies. The Tom Clancy (Jack Ryan[1]) themed movies are all very good. I wish Hollywood would make more of this type of genre today instead of recycled superhero garbage. [1] - The Hunt for Red October (1990) - Patriot Games (1992) - Clear and Present Danger (1994) - The Sum of All Fears (2002)
- ubermonkey 2y agoMy wife and I (both 55) rewatch this probably once a year. It's a really solid film that holds up SUPER well -- so many great elements came together here. Obviously, the principal cast is outstanding; it's not just Baldwin and Connery. Sam Neill we always love (Connery's XO; "I would like to have seen Montana"), and Scott Glenn (Mancuso, captain of the Dallas) rarely disappoints. We also get a late appearance by Richard Jordan (would would die only a few years later) and an early one by Courtney Vance as the Dallas' sonar tech. Stellan Skarsgard is Tupolev, the Soviet sub captain who pursues Connery. Jeffrey Jones, mostly of note to our generation as the principal in Ferris Bueller, has a small role as the former Navy intelligence man Skip Tyler. And there's a blink-and-you-miss-it role for Gates "Beverly Crusher" McFadden as Ryan's wife in the early moments of the film. It was only on a relatively recent viewing that we noticed one of the Red October's minor officers was played by an actor we'd recently seen on TV. On THE AMERICANS one of the main Soviet characters is a man named Burov who eventually rotates back to the USSR to work in the same government ministry as his father. His father is played by Boris Krutonog, who 30 years before played Slavin -- his big moment is denouncing the political officer as a "pig" at the tense dinner scene early on. I never know how film-nerdy people are, so I'll also note that Red October was directed by John McTiernan, who also directed the original Predator, Die Hard, The Last Action Hero, Die Hard with a Vengence, and the 1999 Thomas Crown remake. Unfortunately he did some deeply shady shit around one of his films and ended up in some significant legal trouble that basically blew up his career, but the films he made in the 20th century basically all hold up pretty dang well. The sense of momentum you get in October is present in Die Hard and in Crown as well.
- sizzzzlerz 2y agoI really liked the movie which was pretty faithful to Clancy's book and, I think, to submarine life itself but the one thing I didn't like about it was the choice of Sean Connery as Ramius. For a supposed Russian speaker, his Scottish accent was a bit jarring to my ears. He did a great job with the role but the believability was compromised. I be curious to know who the producers considered for that part and why they were rejected.
- RajT88 2y agoListen. If you're watching Connery in a film in 1990, you've had decades to learn to suspend disbelief regarding his accent skills.
- blackguardx 2y agoEspecially the Highlander, a film set mostly in Scotland and Connery is supposed to be Spanish...
- RajT88 2y agoMy favorite egregious accent snafu was The Wind and the Lion where he was supposed to be Moroccan tribal leader. Second favorite was the mad barking which was supposed to be Japanese in Rising Sun.
- ctrlp 2y agoI know it's not for cinema but anyone in Cambridge, MA should visit the nautical model museum at MIT. Has some excellent large models. https://mitmuseum.mit.edu/more/hart-nautical-gallery https://mitmuseum.mit.edu/more/hart-nautical-gallery
- bigie35 2y agoSomewhat related (submarine war movie), is Crimson Tide with Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman. I can't vouch for the military accuracy, but can say that the drama and intensity is one of best i've seen.
- cdkmoose 2y agoLove this movie, it turned me into an avid reader of Clancy. At the time of this movie, I was working as a software engineer for a defense contractor building combat control systems for submarines. When it was released, the company took the entire department, including former Navy submarine officers now project/program managers to a private viewing. There were definitely groans when some things on the sub were inaccurate, but given the level of hands-on knowledge and expertise in the audience, it was very well received.
- BMc2020 2y agoMy only complaint was one of my favorite lines from the book did not make it into the movie, where Captain Ramius says 'there is enough chemical energy in the rocket fuel to melt the submarine'.
- 100k 2y agoIf you like this movie, I recommend Jamelle Bouie and John Ganz's podcast "Unclear and Present Danger" (the name is a riff on Clancy as well) which covers the political and military thrillers of the 1990s and how they dealt with the United States' changing place in the world after the end of the Cold War. They have done two episodes on this movie: https://jamellebouie.net/unclear-and-present-danger/2021/10/27/the-hunt-for-red-october https://jamellebouie.net/unclear-and-present-danger/2021/10/... https://jamellebouie.net/unclear-and-present-danger/2022/10/30/the-hunt-for-red-october-take-two https://jamellebouie.net/unclear-and-present-danger/2022/10/...
- isx726552 2y agoReally curious to know what the test shots from Boss Films looked like! Richard Edlund’s team’s work on various films of the 80s was impeccable (including Ghostbusters, Die Hard, Big Trouble in Little China, and more). They were the inheritor of the crown of high quality 65mm VFX after Douglas Trumbull quit the business (the pinnacle of his work being films like Blade Runner and Brainstorm). I have to wonder what was wrong that caused the last minute switch to ILM!
- nopelynopington 2y agoIs there any real life basis for the plot of Hunt For Red October? Did any Soviet subs ever defect?
- radicaldreamer 2y agoThe shot in this movie where you see the nuclear missile bays was incredible.
- xoxxala 2y agoThe book has a few mentions of an Apple II on the USS Dallas and that the sonarman, Jones, is the boat champion of Choplifter and Zork. As a nerdy teenager, I always loved that detail.