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Apple Debuts iPhone 16e
- HelloUsername 2y agoVideo: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mFuyX1XgJFg https://youtube.com/watch?v=mFuyX1XgJFg
- ksec 2y agoStarting at $599!.
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- cubefox 2y agoWith 128 GB storage.
- dagmx 2y agoVery cool to see a new entry into the modem market. Obviously not available for anyone other than Apple, but I’m interested to see how it shapes up over time much like their SoC has done. This has been a long time coming since Apple bought Intels modem division several years ago. I’m also interested to see if it enables cellular in laptops. Afaik the limiting factor has been that Qualcomm charge a percentage of device rate , which would be exorbitant for a laptop. Having it be in house might allow for it now.
- p_ing 2y agoThe modem might be the most interesting thing about this phone. They've spent years trying to get one out the door.
- bayindirh 2y agoI think camera is equally interesting. Why? It uses a linear zoom like a classic lens design inside and embeds an optical 2x zoom lens into a smaller area. From the press release: > With an integrated 2x Telephoto, users have the equivalent of two cameras in one, and can zoom in with optical quality to get closer to the subject and easily frame their shot.
- OptionOfT 2y agoIsn't this the first time they have an actual zoom lens vs multiple lenses and thus CMOS? Edit: reading below it's still unsure if they actually have a lens that moves back & forth to achieve the zoom.
- bayindirh 2y agoThis is the first time they use linear (classic zoom) design. The previous one was a 90-degree periscope design. From 16 Pro Max specifications: > 12MP 5x Telephoto: 120 mm, ƒ/2.8 aperture and 20° field of view, 100% Focus Pixels, seven-element lens, 3D sensor-shift optical image stabilization and autofocus, tetraprism design. 5x optical zoom in, 2x optical zoom out; 10x optical zoom range An image showing what they did earlier: https://i.4pda.ws/s/as6yz0d0FvbZniF2YYSyZ3z2HOWajz2.jpg https://i.4pda.ws/s/as6yz0d0FvbZniF2YYSyZ3z2HOWajz2.jpg
- stirlo 2y agoThere's absolutely no reason for them to introduce a new mechanical camera system. They previously marketed their cropping of the center 12MP of their 48MP sensor as 2x optical zoom. They will use the same method here.
- kemayo 2y agoStrongest argument that they didn't is that adding something like that is absolutely a thing Apple would have talked about at length in the press release. They love getting to do extensive "here's something cool that 'only Apple could do'" segments. (And we love to make fun of them for it.)
- kemayo 2y agoIt's probably the same as the 2x zoom in the iPhone 16 line. The 1x pictures are a 48MP sensor that does some pixel-combining to output a 12MP image. The 2x pictures are a crop of 12MP in the center of the sensor, that doesn't do any combining. So it's still "optical", but it's lower-quality than the 1x.
- ipdashc 2y ago> I’m also interested to see if it enables cellular in laptops Are WWAN cards not a thing already? I've never looked much into them at all, but they do seem to exist, at least (and seem to be around $20-$50 and plug into M.2 slots)
- p_ing 2y agoMacBooks do not have an M.2 slot, nor do they have WWAN.
- dagmx 2y agoMany laptops, including MacBooks, do not have M.2 expansion available.
- wtallis 2y agoAnd when laptops do have a spare M.2 slot it's usually intended for an SSD only and is not the right kind of M.2 slot for a cellular (or WiFi) card. And of course, you'd need antennas. So the whole laptop needs to be designed around accommodating cellular connectivity, with significant changes to the internal layout.
- dagmx 2y agoYeah great point. Given the MacBook is metal, and expansion slot would need to also be placed with cellular in mind to work
- mcculley 2y agoMaybe now they can put a cellular modem in a MacBook Pro.
- tempaccount420 2y agoI hope it's not just the Pro, I really want it in a Macbook Air!
- mcculley 2y agoI agree that every device should have a cellular modem option. I am just annoyed that no matter how much I am willing to spend on Apple's top-end road warrior product, I cannot get an option available from Dell.
- aianus 2y agoWhy doesn’t iPhone tethering solve this problem already? Why pay for two modems? Genuinely curious.
- 42772827 2y agoFindMy relies on the device either connecting to the Internet or pinging a nearby device that does. This would mean Macs always visible in FindMy
- dagmx 2y agoConvenience and also for corporate devices, so you don’t need a company phone to get data on the go
- MichaelNolan 2y agoI'm probably a small minority, but I would trade my phone in for a clamshell/dumbphone tomorrow if my Macbook had 5g. Separately, tethering seems to blow through my phone battery.
- musictubes 2y agoI think the long term plan is for the modem to be part of the SOC. That would probably lead to even better efficiency and cost/space savings. If that happens I fully expect the modem to end up in the M series as well.
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- datadrivenangel 2y agoIf it had a small screen that would be 110% fine. As it is, I think that no-bezel devices are easier to misclick on, but I agree that it does seem very strange on apple's part.
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- _gotb 2y agoOh boy, a 6.1 inch screen. "Popular". Ugh. RIP any hopes of a small SE refresh.
- datadrivenangel 2y agoGuess it's time to go get one of the flip phones...
- bayindirh 2y agoI personally will never go back to flexible plastic screens. I used them enough in resistive touchscreens era.
- LorenDB 2y agoI have a Razr. The touchscreen surface isn't glass (there's a TPU film on top for protection), but it's a very good experience and I rarely think about it not being glass.
- bayindirh 2y agoI agree that the tech is not at the place where it was 25 years ago, but I fiddled with plastic screen protectors on top of these kinds of screens enough. I still use screen protectors, but glass on glass is a much better experience for me. It's a matter of choice, and I'm not judging people who like it by any means, but I'm a bit boneheaded on these things and don't change my choices that fast. For example, I still don't think OLED is suitable for TV sized screens and laptops. I know how the color and contrast is better, but I don't want to replace my TV or laptop every three years because it develops subtle burn-ins for example. I come from CRTs, and can endure a good backlit LCD a couple of more years, esp if it has color temperature adaptive backlight.
- jmkni 2y agoI've gotten so used to my 13 mini that anything bigger just feels too big Hoping against hope that Apple brings back that size/form factor someday so clinging on to my 13 mini until that day comes...
- lapcat 2y agoiPhone SE: $429, 4.7-inch display, 5.45 x 2.65 x 0.29, 5.09 ounces iPhone 16e: $599, 6.1-inch display, 5.78 x 2.82 x 0.31, 5.88 ounces This is a major downgrade in every way for people who want the smallest possible iPhone.
- ctoth 2y agoNot to mention the damn TouchID. So much better of an experience on my old SE than on my 15 pro with FaceID.
- musictubes 2y agoI hear this and I do not relate at all. Face ID is so much more reliable than Touch ID ever was for me.
- mbs159 2y agoAs somebody who wears a mask almost all day long I am glad that fingerprint unlocking is an option
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- hoistbypetard 2y agoI would rather at this point have a watch with good cellular comms, that could use bluetooth for calls and let me tether a tablet for web use. But I have to say, I was more annoyed by the loss of touch ID than by the increase in screen size. While I like the smallest possible iPhone, my SE has not been very nice to use lately. Developers aren't testing their sites/apps on that screen size, and many sites/apps are getting really janky when run on a screen that small.
- gjsman-1000 2y agoHowever, as the iPhone 12 and 13 mini demonstrated, the people who like small phones are a very vocal but extremely small minority (only 3% of US sales were the mini). They both sold so badly, it serves as a reality check for how small voices on the internet are compared to the market.
- newsclues 2y agoI have only ever used Apple budget smartphones (5C and SE models), but I want/need lidar for mapping my house for WiFi networks. Not sure if I want to upgrade.
- nolroz 2y agoI would love a lidar system I could use to map my house with. What are you hoping to do with WiFi on top of that? Optimal device placement?
- newsclues 2y agoYeah, have a Ubiquiti home network, and want to optimize placement of my access points (before I install mounts on the walls/ceiling) and also would like to use it to compare different APs to see if an upgrade makes sense vs installing an extra AP for the garage that doesn't get good signal.
- dylan604 2y agoSo you want a feature in a device that you're going to use for a single purpose one time? How many times do you need to map your house once you have the map? There's gotta be a better single use device for purpose rather than having it limit your options for a non-single purpose device.
- Tomte 2y agoPro: action button Con(?): 60 Hz And the price hike again shows that Apple is the master of the "for just a few hundred dollars more, you can get...“ upsell to bigger iPhones.
- jsheard 2y ago60hz is really taking the piss at this point, if they must reserve 120hz for the Pro line then the least they could do is use 90hz further down the stack.
- bigstrat2003 2y ago60hz refresh is totally fine, there's no reason to be salty about it.
- cptcobalt 2y agoYeah, at this market tier 60Hz is a perfectly usable target.
- layer8 2y agoAccording to several supply-chain rumors, the iPhone 17 models will all have 120 Hz.
- llm_nerd 2y agoI have a Pro that I've set to only use 60 FPS (Accessibility / Motion / Limit Frame Rate). 120 FPS is ever so slightly smoother, but I would rather have the slightly better battery life disabling it. Among mainstream users, people just don't care and this isn't remotely the differentiator people seem to hold it as. Similar to the micro bezel fetish, these are spec-chaser points that certain manufacturers convince people are must haves. But they really aren't.
- enragedcacti 2y ago> Among mainstream users, people just don't care and this isn't remotely the differentiator people seem to hold it as. I agree that most users don't consciously care, but I think its definitely possible that it influences how fast the phone feels and could influence purchases if you are testing them side-by-side in a store. There is some anecdotal evidence to that in the fact that Google does the extremely scummy thing of locking their non-pro Pixels to 60Hz when in demo mode regardless of the refresh rate setting chosen in the OS.
- bayindirh 2y agoThis device looks like a technology testing mule for apple, and with that price point it's guaranteed to sell boatloads. I think being able to cram this amount of new tech (a new camera, a new modem) for a new device is good for apple. I believe this will play out well, and this tech will graduate the so-called flagships in a couple of years.
- kemayo 2y agoLet's see... it's replacing the SE, which is no longer on Apple's website. It's more expensive than the SE, at $599 vs $429. It's a pretty substantial hardware upgrade over the SE, including something like 75% more battery life by Apple's numbers, but it's also noticeably bigger. Apple's own comparison tool is useful: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16e,iphone-se-3rd-gen,iphone-16 https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16e,i...
- SunlitCat 2y agoThe price hike is the major turn off point. Even as a non Apple person I was on the verge of getting the new "SE" if it's in the price range of the old SE line up. But not for 600 USD, that's a bit too much.
- philistine 2y agoThe budget iPhone is 900$ CAD. Let that sink in.
- DrBenCarson 2y agoBreaking news: Apple makes premium products
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- asdff 2y agoThe market for a cheaper iphone like this has always been just buying a 4 year old phone for like $0-small few hundred from your carrier. Makes no sense for apple to push a new product in this segment when their own supply eats it. And all they really offer in the se is a new old iphone anyhow making use of old components they have spare inventory available or on order from their vendors remaining supply lines.
- doctoboggan 2y agoIs this a replacement for the "SE" line? It seems similar to the previous SE models in that it's cheaper, uses an older body, and is released in an off month. The marketing copy in the OP also compares it to the older SE phones. I am guessing that's the end of the small phone line at Apple.
- kemayo 2y agoYeah, they took the SE off their website at the same time as they announced this.
- js2 2y ago> I am guessing that's the end of the small phone line at Apple. That really ended with the 13 mini on which I'm typing this comment and that I'll hold onto till it's no longer supported.
- Wistar 2y agoI have been keeping my 12 Mini in as pristine condition as possible. I often keep the phone in my vest pocket and really hate the size of … well … anything larger than the Mini. Best form factor ever for me.
- Angostura 2y agoSame here. I'm hoping there will be a 19 mini
- f_allwein 2y agoI recently figured the only way to pull that off would be to brand it as „iPhone 19 - Steve Jobs edition“. Apple, feel free to run with it.
- apparent 2y agoIt wouldn't be crazy for them to offer a mini only every several generations. If the problem is that there isn't enough demand to justify design and tooling, it would make sense to let demand grow for 5-6 years, then release a new mini that all small phone lovers will buy.
- Retr0id 2y agoThe C1 is (fingers crossed) probably going to be a big improvement on the security front, since historically, cellular modems have been chock full of remotely exploitable security flaws. That said, if this is their "first gen" then there could be teething issues.
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- robertoandred 2y agoSo goes the end of the mobile device, now all that’s sold are phablets.
- dzonga 2y agoApple has become a behemoth in chip design. I'm guessing Qualcomm won't be taxing them anymore since they're making their own modems
- jmm5 2y agoQualcomm still owns the patents.
- tambourine_man 2y agoThe death of Touch ID. Also huge.
- wpm 2y agoYup, sad news. Anyone who disagrees should try teaching an older relative with less than youthful fine motor control how to use a FaceID equipped iPhone.
- CharlesW 2y agoFWIW: Face ID is optional, and the iOS passcode buttons are very accessible.
- inetknght 2y ago> Face ID is optional Meanwhile, the Settings app keeps begging me to "Finish Setting Up Your iPhone".
- kemayo 2y agoSpecifically the swipe-up gestures you now need for the unlock / home navigations? (I initially thought you might mean faceid doesn't work if you're a bit shaky, but I just tried that and it surprisingly doesn't care.)
- frankus 2y agoI've had the opposite problem: both of my parents' (in their 80s) fingerprints have faded to the point that Touch ID no longer works reliably.
- enragedcacti 2y agoThat is really interesting to me. I admittedly haven't played with it in a while but on previous Android phones I've had basically any patch of skin would register and work okay with the sensor. I know because I used to rock climb a lot which tears up fingerprints so I would register things like the backside of my index finger so I could unlock the phone while it sits on a table. It was definitely finickier than a proper fingerprint but preferable to retraining it every couple of days.
- datadrivenangel 2y agoWhy are small phones not economical for major flagship phone developers? Obviously more expensive phones generate more revenue, but the reduced bill of materials on smaller phones should allow a better profit margin? Mostly I just want a phone that is comfortable in my hands.
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- noja 2y agoBecause people expected to have lower prices with smaller phones.
- gjsman-1000 2y agoBecause nobody buys them. Apple tried with the iPhone 12 mini, and the iPhone 13 mini. They were only 5% of phones sold globally, and only 3% of phones sold in the US. The desire for small phones is an internet thing, but not backed by the market. Take it as a reality check for how internet opinions can be mostly irrelevant.
- bob1029 2y agoAt the scale of Apple, is a specific device configuration that 'only' meets the needs of 3% of their market economically unviable? Did they build a whole special factory just for the slightly smaller device?
- fckgw 2y agoNot a whole factory but whole other tooling, so yes? The chassis is different, the screen is different, the mainboard is different, the layout is different, the battery is different, I think the camera was also different. Only thing shared between the other models was the buttons and the lightning port. It's a huge cost for something that sold (relatively) poorly.
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- blibble 2y agocan I get it without the AI slop?
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- jeffbee 2y agoProbably because those of us who enjoy a lively discourse are tired of people trying to score some cheap karma with a thoughtless deployment of "slop" or "enshittification".
- dbtc 2y agoUnderstood. Here’s a more refined and articulate version: "Can you provide this without the characteristic vagueness and padding of AI-generated text? I’d prefer something more precise, substantive, and thoughtfully constructed." This keeps the directness while adding depth and clarity. Let me know if you'd like it even sharper.
- tempaccount420 2y agoThanks Sam!
- f6v 2y agoJust move to the EU.
- kemayo 2y agoYou can turn it off, still. (For now?)
- nozzlegear 2y agoFunny, I'm actually considering buying this specifically because it comes with Apple Intelligence, and I'm someone who usually avoids AI slop. I guess I just like Apple's particular flavor of AI slop since I use it with the mail and iMessage apps on my Mac all the time.
- mperham 2y agoWhoa, shipping their own baseband modem for the first time, skipping the Qualcomm tax. That's huge, even for Apple.
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- BrandonSmith 2y agoI'm sure Apple still pays patent licensing fees to Qualcomm even if Apple is now manufacturing their own modem.
- GeekyBear 2y agoIn the past, Qualcomm was infamous for high licensing fees. However, part of the process of creating an open industry standard like 4G/5G is getting a legally binding commitment from the patent holders to license standards essential patents to all takers on "reasonable" terms. > If the patent holder refuses upon request to license a patent that has become essential to a standard, then the standard-setting organization must exclude that technology. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discriminatory_licensing https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discrimina... So Qualcomm is still entitled to some money, but not nearly as much as they made back when there was no legal restriction on what they could demand.
- uni_baconcat 2y agoAnd I noticed that Apple C1 skipped 3G network entirely. Only has 2G,4G and 5G support.
- GeekyBear 2y agoI imagine the 2G network they are talking about is GSM, which is a 2G open standard created in the EU and used internationally. > It was first implemented in Finland in December 1991. By the mid-2010s, it became a global standard for mobile communications achieving over 90% market share, and operating in over 193 countries and territories. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM
- parsimo2010 2y agoApparently the camera is "2 in 1" that does 2x zoom with "optical quality" but they never actually say it's true optical zoom. I'm guessing that it's just digital zoom with some fancy processing. Does anyone know for sure?
- xuki 2y agoThey cropped it out from the center of the 48MP photo. It’s the same on 16 and 16 Pro.
- tomduncalf 2y agoIt's a 12mp crop of a 48mp sensor, so it's not digital zoom but it is a crop. It's just that that crop is still of good resolution.
- BugsJustFindMe 2y ago> It's a 12mp crop of a 48mp sensor, so it's not digital zoom but it is a crop. I'm curious what you think digital zoom is if not cropping.
- Tagbert 2y agoThe distinction between optical and digital zoom get a little blurred by this kind of camera setup. No pun intended.
- dbtc 2y agoNice pun though. It's because when the camera is set to record 24 or 12mp photos at default zoom, then you can crop the 48mp sensor and still get the same resolution.
- nicoburns 2y agoTypically cropping and then upscaling. While I don't think it's right to call these crops "optical zoom", the quality is typically pretty good.
- new_vienna 2y agoIt seems that this will cannibalize iPhone 16 sales - it's $200 cheaper, same form factor and internals, with the only difference being the camera, which if you care about you go for the Pro model. However, the price makes for a much more appealing upgrade for anyone who has an older iPhone
- idontwantthis 2y agoPeople love biggest phone for some reason regardless of features.
- unshavedyak 2y agoHell, i want a smaller phone lol. I love the high end phones, i like my iPhone 16 Pro.. but man, this smaller one is tempting. I don't think i'd give up the camera for it though.. but a boy can dream.
- pivo 2y agoI like the bigger phones because of my poor vision and fat fingers. Easier to read, easier to type on.
- gorgoiler 2y agoLarge phones are great for spectacle free use. You can hold the two feet away from you and still see everything while being able to actually focus.
- lotsofpulp 2y agoApple C1 modem versus a tried and true Qualcomm modem seems like a big internal difference.
- CharlesW 2y agoIndeed, this is the most notable aspect about this launch from a technology perspective. Apple's been working toward eliminating their Qualcomm dependency for nearly as long as the iPhone has existed.
- carlgreene 2y agoIncredibly disappointing it’s so big. Bring back the small phones!! You’ll have to pry the 13 mini from my cold dead hands…or just stop supporting it
- selykg 2y agoYou should get 5 years of updates out of it I suspect. It was originally released in September of 2021. So, 2026 might be the final year of iOS updates you'll get, then it's just a matter of how long they back port any security fixes. Sometimes devices end up getting longer support so it's tough to say for sure. At this point one of these SE type devices is on my list for any future upgrades. I've gone to carrying a pocketable camera with me pretty much anywhere so having a good camera on my phone is no longer necessary, which means no more Pro model for me.
- Meleagris 2y agoI agree. My iPhone 12 Mini has seen better days, and I will need a new phone soon. It is disappointing that there is no alternative to the iPhone 12/13 Mini in 2025. The smaller form factor is more comfortable in my hand, and fits better in my pockets. With the slim bezels, I have never felt that the screen was too small. It is funny to think that the screen size on the iPhone 12 Mini is very similar to the screen size on the older plus models. sigh
- Tagbert 2y agoAre you concerned about the screen size, then yes this is bigger. If your concern is pocketability this new phone is only 0.25 inches larger in the diagonal.
- racl101 2y agoI need this.
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- eamag 2y agoCan someone please explain the benefits of C1 chip?
- xuki 2y agoVertical integration. No longer depends on Qualcomm for a very critical component. Slightly higher margin.
- two_handfuls 2y agoFor us: it is smaller and consumes less power, so the phone can have a bigger battery life. For them: more control, lower marginal costs.
- supertrope 2y agoApple no longer has to pay a royalty that’s a percentage of the whole phone. Integrating the modem into the SoC saves power and space.
- _blz2 2y agofunny how that made the phone more expensive
- cynicalpeace 2y agoHow possible is it for there to be a "disruptor" to the smartphone market? I think Apple's selling point is the app ecosystem, but I personally don't use apps all that much. Just a few big ones and they're all just for communication: FB Messenger, WhatsApp, SIM, SnapChat. And the web browser, maps. I'm 27. Why can't someone just manufacture a screen, some buttons, little computer, then software for communication and make some good money? Just seems Apple is a dinosaur nowadays Google too.
- 999900000999 2y agoThe lightphone is an option. A few lower end black and white screen Android phones exist, and that seems closer to what you want. I have some other obligations to handle, but the iPhone 16e looks perfect for me. You can replace so much music production gear with an IOS device. Can legit plug in a microphone and record a full album, which just isn't really their on Android. It's beyond frustrating, but on IOS you have amazing music production, and Android is like 10 years behind. I wish Apple would offer a musicians edition with a headphone jack ( I'd literally pay an extra 150$) , but that's never going to happen...
- rchaud 2y agoWhat would a disruptor in the smartphone space even do in 2025? It's not like the status quo phones are too expensive, too small or too slow compared to the average user's use case. There is a phone for every price point, and at worst you'll be stuck with a bad camera or a laggy chipset. There are already phones running Linux and de-Googled OSes (Purism, Librem, LineageOS). They won't ever get big enough to challenge Apple/Samsung, but maybe be big enough to have a stable enough OS to not scare off people looking to switch.
- cynicalpeace 2y agoMaybe it could be the Juul to Apple's Phillip Morris? Phones occupy the same space as nicotine in my head, so why not explore that comparison?
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- Alifatisk 2y agoWhy can't they release another mini version? I don't want a large phone!
- apgwoz 2y agoIt sold poorly, sadly.
- lofaszvanitt 2y agoOf course, since they gimped it. What about creating a smaller version laden with features...
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- AISnakeOil 2y agoApple has fallen off in every product category.
- ksec 2y agoIt is an iPhone 16, inside iPhone 14 Body, Single Camera from iPhone 16, with iPhone 14 OLED Screen, Apple Modem, Without UWB, Minus 1 GPU Core on A18, 7.5W MagSafe Charging same as iPhone 14. Wifi 6 instead of Wifi 7 on iPhone 16. However at $599, higher than the rumoured $499 or $549 pricing. iPhone 14 previously at $599 and iPhone SE at $429 are now gone. Getting rid of iPhone 14 and iPhone SE as they are both using Lightning and not USB-C. The lineup is a little strange. Will iPhone 15, currently at $699 dropped to $599 when they announce iPhone 17? The most interesting part is of course the Modem. We will have to wait and see how it perform.
- layer8 2y agoNo MagSafe, only Qi (not Qi2). 800 nits typical brightness vs. 1000 for the 16, 1200 nits maximum brightness vs. 1600–2000 nits. Notch vs. dynamic island, of course.
- GeekyBear 2y ago> No MagSafe, only Qi. Qi2 is based on Magsafe. https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/3/23538131/qi2-wireless-charging-apple-samsung https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/3/23538131/qi2-wireless-char...
- dagmx 2y agoQi2 doesn’t require the magnetic component however.
- Tagbert 2y agoTrue but the alignment magnets of MagSafe and Qi2 were a huge quality of life improvement. You are probably better off just using USB to charge this one
- post_break 2y ago"Any device labeled Qi2 is MPP and must include magnets.” https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-qi2-wireless-charging/ https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-qi2-wireless-charging/
- f6v 2y agoAt least I can still buy a 700 eur phone when my 13 mini gives up.
- Jotalea 2y agoThis might be the new best price-quality iPhone after the 13 Pro.
- hx8 2y agoThe point here is to replace iPhone 15 which doesn't support Apple Intelligence without raising the lowest price point for an iPhone. Apple has made a bit of a blunder by selling hardware with such limited memory for so long, which gives them a large install base that doesn't support gen-ai tech. Of course, the urgency of upgrading depends on how bullish you are on gen-ai.
- pzo 2y agoI'm not sure if running any local model on smartphones make sense right now for most of the people. I played with many tiny llm models on ollama and only 14b models can feel to be usable - otherwise why not just run any app that do inference in cloud and run SOTA models? Even o4-mini feels more usable than those tiny models on smartphones - apple would have to ship iphones with 24GB RAM but inference would still be slower than those in the cloud. Paying $200 yearly subscription for chatgpt/claude/perplexity/gemini still seems cheaper than buying new iPhone just for that. I wish though they would ship some beefy apple tv/mac mini/router with 32GB RAM that can work not only as private llm but also private iCloud, vpn, router, pihole, etc
- kalleboo 2y ago> I'm not sure if running any local model on smartphones make sense right now for most of the people It probably makes sense for simpler tasks like summarizing text messages/email that you might not necessarily want to send off to a third party that has a "move fast and break things" approach to data privacy
- lofaszvanitt 2y agoWhat does the e stands for? Eviscerated? :) It would be nice to put the last few years of developments since his death into a silicon brain and ask the digital Steve Jobs his thoughts on the current state of affairs.
- Neil44 2y agoThey made their own modem, the right move but still brave, I bet there are a lot of 'Chestertons Fences' in those.
- usui 2y agoApple leans its weight heavily on controversial smartphone changes and defines trends for the rest of the industry, even when it's not the first company to do so. When it removed the headphone jack, introduced the screen notch, or added a camera bump, everyone followed afterward despite the grumbling. So keeping that in mind, regarding the modem, I remember prior comments about it being near-impossible or extremely difficult for Apple to cut out Qualcomm because of the decentralized network of mobile towers, operators, proprietary information, legacy cruft, edge cases, hardware and geographical testing, etc., which Qualcomm handles as part of its value-add. If Apple starts spearheading changes in how phone modems work, could we imagine mobile towers playing along and converging? Or is it more entrenched than that? Prior discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41287977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41287977
- Analemma_ 2y agoI don't think anyone thought it was literally impossible, just really, really hard and with a ton of corner cases and micro-optimizations necessary. But remember, they've been at this for a long time now: they bought Intel's modem business in 2019 and Intel presumably had several years worth of work on it before that. I guess this is the year when they've ground out enough of the bugs to at least ship it on a non-flagship device.
- hot_gril 2y agoThe other phonemakers didn't grumble about the jack because they realized they could pull the same scam
- dfabulich 2y agoCheck out the battery life! > iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone, lasting up to six hours longer than iPhone 11 and up to 12 hours longer than all generations of iPhone SE. Their page comparing models claims the new 16e gets "26 hours video playback." iPhone 16e: 26 hours iPhone 16: 22 hours iPhone 15: 20 hours iPhone 14: 20 hours iPhone 13: 19 hours iPhone 12: 17 hours iPhone 11: 17 hours The new battery life seems to be mostly due to their new Apple C1 cellular modem, replacing the Qualcomm modems in earlier models. > Expanding the benefits of Apple silicon, C1 is the first modem designed by Apple and the most power-efficient modem ever on an iPhone, delivering fast and reliable 5G cellular connectivity. Apple silicon — including C1 — the all-new internal design, and the advanced power management of iOS 18 all contribute to extraordinary battery life.
- TransAtlToonz 2y agoWow. This is fantastic. This is the first time in nearly fifteen years they've had a feature I've actually wanted to purchase.
- throwfaraway4 2y agoPartly due to being able to fit a bigger battery with the smaller modem size https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFuyX1XgJFg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFuyX1XgJFg
- tempaccount420 2y agotimestamped: https://youtu.be/mFuyX1XgJFg?t=233 https://youtu.be/mFuyX1XgJFg?t=233
- Analemma_ 2y agoIt's possible the battery chemistry has also changed. In the last 12-18 months, a bunch of Android phones have gotten large battery capacity upgrades, apparently thanks to silicon-carbon anodes being mature enough for mass production. Presumably Apple is now doing the sam thing.
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- jcpham2 2y agoStill rocking my iPhone XR with zero plans to change or upgrade phones. If I did or were forced to upgrade I would most likely go for something like this or an older 12 or 14 with a few features as possible.
- tom_ 2y ago"All at an incredible value"? Are you really allowed to say that? (Grammatically, I mean. I'm not asking for legal advice.)
- quesera 2y agoGrammar parses for me.
- Copenjin 2y ago8Gb of ram, for those wondering.
- wc304 2y agoWow, for the 16e right? I missed that in the launch presentation. I’m hoping the 17 has 12+ GB RAM. Then I’ll upgrade from the 7+’s 3GB model
- deergomoo 2y agoAt this point there’s only really one thing I want from an iPhone and that’s an option for a 12/13 mini sized device again. Surely those phones didn’t sell so few that it’s not worth doing at all?
- Etheryte 2y agoIf they can standardize their whole lineup around two sizes, regular and max, then I think it will be a very hard sell to add extra work and complexity for the production lines for a smaller size that sells both lower volumes and lower price. Don't get me wrong, I love the Mini and have one right now, but from a business management perspective I can totally see how getting rid of it makes sense. Another aspect that I think is often missed is that the Mini physically cannot offer the same battery life as other iPhones. Many say they don't mind this, but over time as the battery life deteriorates, it becomes a pain point all the same. I think that is another aspect of why they don't like the small form factor.
- cpach 2y agoAFAIK Samsung doesn’t offer any mini devices either. If that’s true, it’s probably for the same reasons Apple doesn’t.
- JavierFlores09 2y agoWell, in the case of Samsung, I imagine they would rather not want to in order to promote their Z Flip series instead. More compact than any Mini version would potentially be. Though I guess for the people who like their phones to be able to fit in their hand, it doesn't make much of a difference.
- michaelt 2y ago> I think it will be a very hard sell to add extra work for the production lines for a smaller size The Toyota Corolla sells 1 million units a year worldwide - it's totally practical and realistic to set up a production line to make 1 million devices a year. Apple sells 200 million iphones a year. That's why they're happy to make the iPhone 16, 16 Plus, 16 Pro, 16 Pro Max and 16e and offer them in 4-5 colours per model as well. It's something else - probably sales.
- hot_gril 2y agocmd+f "jack" on Apple's page, got 0 results. Pass.
- hnuser435 2y agoNo mention of RAM either.
- sudovancity 2y agoI thought it was going to be an actual modem... like they had previously.
- bentt 2y agoLooks more and more that Apple is pushing AI inference to the edges, with this and the Mac Mini and it's very suspiciously placed power button which says "No, you don't need to shut this computer off. It has important work to do! (For everyone else)" Will be interesting to see how Apple and Nvidia's approaches to AI compare and contrast over the coming months/years.
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- heywoods 2y agoI am hoping Apple at some point in the future will allow iphone owners who also own a Mac with an M series chip to run Apple Intelligence from the Mac to take advantage of faster compute and larger parameter models while still operating at the 'edge'. If the apple private cloud tech allows for a Tailscale like connectivity between your mac and all iphone/ipads on an icloud account I could see that as an additional hook to stay inside the apple ecosystem in addition to the benefits brought to bear by having a much more capable LLM to offload compute to without involving 3rd party AI companies. Perhaps bundle the feature with iCloud+ subscription?
- bentt 2y agoRight??! Others are downvoting me for supposedly inventing a conspiracy theory but to me it lines up pretty well with their business and could offer some compelling value to customers. Most people haven't read up on their private cloud stuff. But I really did think that about the Mac Mini power button!
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- dylan604 2y ago> It has important work to do! (For everyone else) Where do you get that macOS is running code like this? I've never heard of shared compute on my computer for anything other than software I deliberately installed. I haven't paid that close attention to the past couple of OS propaganda films at the start of WWDC. Did I miss something?
- mcculley 2y ago> the first cellular modem designed by Apple Whoah! Maybe Apple can now figure out how to put a cellular modem in a MacBook Pro.
- azinman2 2y agoBut couldn’t this previously have happened with a Qualcomm modem as well? You can always easily tether to your iPhone. It’s hard to imagine people who own a Mac but don’t have a phone — I assume Android can also provide tethering? Aside from the BOM price increase and physical real estate, do want to pay $10/mo or whatever for an additional line?
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- etchalon 2y agoIt could have, but my understanding is that Qualcomm's contracting is pretty brutal. They had no choice but to accept those terms with the iPhone. With the Mac, so long as they were selling without the modem, why bother?
- mcculley 2y agoI own a MacBook Pro and an iPhone (and other Apple devices which have cellular modems in them: an iPad and an Apple Watch). The tethering is flaky and burns two batteries at once while adding latency. I want an always on Internet connection like I can get with a Dell laptop. The Qualcomm royalty agreement has been the problem, as they reportedly get a fraction of total device cost. How my cellular provider bills me for it is irrelevant.
- crazygringo 2y agoPeople have been saying for years that this has always been part of the plan. That the only reason Apple never included a cellular modem in MacBooks is because it would raise their prices because they'd have to pay Qualcomm. Now that they won't, it seems inevitable.
- paul7986 2y agoDoes anyone else long for a new personal device (phone) maker/leader? A real AI phone where if you want you can have a full human like conversation (text, voice & video chat it recognizes gestures & emotions (facial expressions)) with your AI assistant from your lock screen. I use chatGPT while driving in the car to get things done & as a knowledge base, but I have to open the app to use it (not safe when driving). I have an iPhone 15 Pro and still with Siri's Apple Not-Intelligent I can only ask Siri one question at a time and I always have to say Hey Siri ask ChatGPT xyz and then to continue to learn more have to say that again with a follow-up question. It's such a terrible UX when compared to opening chatGPT and talking to it, yet again not safe to do so when driving!
- Tagbert 2y agoYou will likely need to wait for iOS 19 when they transplant an LLM into Siri for that kind interaction. Even then I’m not certain that Apple will go that direction.
- paul7986 2y agoHopefully Open AI and Microsoft could release a true AI phone one that is like the movie H.E.R. where it does everything for you .. just like talking to a human via text, voice & video chat but ur human AI assistant. It interfaces with AI Agents of businesses, your friends, families and co-workers agents to get things scheduled, done, your knowledgebase on all things, etc for you. Though H.E.R. without falling in love with it.
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- hnlmorg 2y agoWhat I really want Apple to release is a foldable like Google Pixel and Samsung Galaxy’s flagship models. The idea of having a normal screen on the front but then a second foldable screen inside is a great tradeoff between form and function. Unfortunately I can’t see Apple releasing this because it harms their tablet sales. Hopefully I’m proven wrong though.
- azinman2 2y agoHave you used one? Is it really better? Putting aside the biggest issue which is a creased and more fragile screen, I’m not really convinced it’s a better experience. Having more real estate for movies seems useful, but it’s otherwise difficult to type/hold/tap on such a large screen without a full commitment to tablet usage (which often includes a stand). I’m also not really sure how often I’d use the larger format.
- hnlmorg 2y agoThe flagship foldables have two screens. A screen on the front that’s a full sized screen just like any other smart phone screen of the last 10 years. But you can then fold the phone open to get access to that wider screen. So you get the best of both worlds, a normal phone handset for one handed action. But a larger screen for when you want something that’s a little more “tablet” like.
- hnlmorg 2y agoJust to add, I too was originally put off by the crease in foldable displays. But if it’s a second screen then I can actually live with that crease since it’s not something that’s going to affect casual use. It’s just there for when a normal phone screen isn’t enough. So it’s almost like having a bonus screen rather than a crease in your main screen.
- dbtc 2y agoThe best of both worlds for me would be a device around the size of the "iphone mini", but with a thicker body, no camera bump, and the extra volume is all battery.
- subsHack 2y ago6.1” I used to think 4.7” was a bit too much. Holding onto SE 2016 till death do us part.
- hot_gril 2y agoI had an iPhone 5 until AT&T completely stopped supporting it. Would buy an SE, but I'm too skeptical of used phones.
- jvidalv 2y agoHopefully one they do a Pro Mini, fingers crossed.
- musictubes 2y agoWhat that even be? You can’t fit what’s in the pro line in a smaller phone. The smaller phones already had smaller batteries, would you be willing to give up more to squeeze in another lens? Something or some things have to give when you have less space to work with. Apple made the best small phones anyone had ever made and people didn’t like them. Bigger phones allow for a lot more than just bigger screens. People seem to take all the non screen stuff for granted.
- bustling-noose 2y agoThink of the QC modem as an API and that API is limited to what QC wants apple or anyone else using their modem to do. The firmware is pushed by QC and then apple can use it to update it’s modems of QC when it does it’s now updates. Now with C1 that API is designed at apple and in a way that their soc team wants to get the best battery life along. So the modem can be turned off / on updated request data signals etc in a more efficient manner with the soc. On top of that apple probably cleaned up parts of the modem that they probably didn’t feel were needed for their iPhones that maybe QC were obligated to include because of the way their modems had to be designed and sold. Now do this to Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and put everything in the soc and you are going to be getting solid gains sooner than later. This transition is very exciting cause I’m hoping this happens to MacBooks as well. Would love a 5G MacBook with a data plan.
- kylehotchkiss 2y agoI’m hoping for 5G MacBook too. Tethering even amongst new phone and laptops still feels very early 2000s with how clunky it is plus the “failed to connect with hotspot for inexplicable reason” Low Data Mode would need to be better enforced at the OS level (maybe with even per-app prompts and data usage tracking - safari and music can use 5G but maybe Arq backups shouldn’t)
- megous 2y agoThat's hard to believe. Even Quectel (random Chinese IoT modem manufacturer, which is also using Qualcomm modem SoCs) gets to have Qualcomm modem source code. I know, because they ship it modified with their own AT commands implemented and other changes. If random chinese company can ship modified Qualcomm modem firmware, Apple surely can, too. :D Massive chunks (millions of lines) of Qualcomm modem firmware (the part running on Hexagon DSP cores) are even leaked on github for anyone to see. Apple is bound to have uptodate and probably even completely source available Qualcomm firmware at its engineers' fingertips. And they have more leverage than random Chinese IoT manufacturer, to request ability to modify it as they see fit. And they'll certainly have at least the parts that are relevant for the control you're talking about. The decision most likely comes down to politics (any help optimizing qualcomm modems directly benefits everyone using them, and that's a lot of android phones out there), and not these kinds of technical issues.
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- neom 2y agoI took myself off the every new iphone train at the 12 pro when it came out. My screen is pretty beat down at this point and the battery is 75% of a day. I keep thinking to get new one but a) my 12 pro is actually still very capable and I like the form factor a lot b) figuring out what iphone to get (including looking at acceptable older model) is totally overwhelming c) I really hate ewaste. If anyone has been in a similar situation and done the research I'm all ears. Thanks!
- nindalf 2y agoWhy wouldn’t you replace the battery? I replaced the battery on my 12 after 2 years for £70 and got a phone that felt like after the replacement. And now, nearly 2 years later, I have no complaints. Maximum capacity 91%.
- officeplant 2y ago$599, 128gb base model. Welp rip any interest a bunch of us had in an iphoneSE4. What a fucking waste of time. The sad thing is I can accept that apple continually wants miserable storage base tiers, that ship has sailed and they will never see 256gb as logical starting points on a phone so damn expensive when their computers start at that horrid storage point. If it was $499 I would have contemplated finally upgrading. At $599 I'll let everyone else beta test apples new modem in case its another 'you're holding it wrong' type of response if it underperforms in speed, connection quality, etc.
- turtlebits 2y agoThe SE was always a bad value prop. A used iPhone was always a much better value. The only reason I approve of the SE is that they get very cheap via the prepaid market (regularly <$100)
- layer8 2y agoThe SE3 was 64 GB base, they upped the base storage here. I agree that the price isn’t very attractive. Internationally it’s even worse.
- officeplant 2y agoWhen the SE2 and SE3 came out I yelled about the 64gb being complete shit then too. They consistently lag 5 years behind reasonable storage tiers for the price of the phone.
- layer8 2y agoI don’t know about reasonable, I still don’t use more than 100 GB, and I assume that many people don’t really need more.
- officeplant 2y agoIts a mix out there. Personally I prefer to keep 100+GB of music on me because cell service in 2025 still sucks, and so does music subscription service offerings. The average normal person I help with phones all seem to be running out of space but its usually done to junk apps they forgot they had, 60gb of grandkid videos, and 10 years of texts they keep dragging along.
- blisterpeanuts 2y agoLack of MagSafe is disappointing. How much would it have cost to include? It's an intriguing feature that distinguishes iPhones from Android competitors. I wonder if the intention was to avoid cannibalizing its more expensive siblings.
- hnburnsy 2y ago$599 for 128GB with this caveat.. >Available space is less and varies due to many factors. A standard configuration uses approximately 12GB to 24GB of space, including iOS 18 with its latest features and Apple Intelligence on-device models can be deleted if Apple Intelligence is turned off and use approximately 7GB of space. Turning on Apple Intelligence will download the models again. Apple apps that can be deleted use about 4.5GB of space, and you can download them back from the App Store. Storage capacity subject to change based on software version, settings, and iPhone model.
- hnaccount_rng 2y agoThat's just saying "The hard drive is 128GB, but your user directory only gets what the system doesn't need". Not at all surprising?
- STELLANOVA 2y agoUSB-C connector with support for: USB 2 (up to 480Mb/s) Can someone explain why they are pushing USB 2 speeds via USB-C connector in 2025? Can't believe it's cost... It's a shame.
- nlitened 2y agoTo be fair, I’ve not used the cable for anything but charging for at least five years
- STELLANOVA 2y agoBackup/restore is one common usecase. It's painfully slow with current speed. AFAIK only Pro model support USB3 speeds. Someone more knowledgable can maybe explain if there is any technical/cost reason behind it (I honestly don't see one ).
- nlitened 2y agoI believe most people do iCloud backup/restore nowadays. I only do manual backup/restore once every few years when I upgrade my iPhone (even then, I could probably do that via iCloud also)
- asdff 2y agoThe only issue is now you pay for icloud for life. Terrible service just try pulling a lot of photos off of it. Basically can't be done because no matter the tool you try you get connection timeout issues after a couple dozen photos. I have like 60k photos on a family members icloud account that we can't get at all. Stuck paying icloud now for that person. Frankly at this point I'd pay for physical media mailed if that were an option.
- seec 2y agoYep. And the incentive at Apple is to keep making people use more cloud and have them pay more for it so they can say they make more profit from the service division. It's quite bad, because it's a rug pull that Apple did. Before all the cloud/service nonsense, what differentiated Apple from the rest was your ability to fully own and manage their devices easily without having to rely on some "forever" subscription. If people wanted some cloud crap, they could have gone with Google or even Microsoft. But current Apple doesn't care, it cares more about money than a fundamental philosophy that sets them apart.
- k310 2y agoFor only $100 more, you can get an iPhone 15 without Apple Intelligence.
- urbandw311er 2y agoAnybody able to point me to a table that compares this with the other recent iPhone in terms of main hardware, screen, camera etc. ?
- quesera 2y agohttps://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16e,iphone-se-3rd-gen,iphone-se https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16e,i... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iPhone_models https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_iPhone_models
- urbandw311er 2y agoThank you
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- crossroadsguy 2y agoI sadly will pass. I know there was no Mini size coming..but still, one can hope. Anyway, I see absolutely ZERO reasons to switch from my iPhone 14 other than to help them beta test their new modem in the field. They already have been doing that with software releases (iOS specially) since iOS 12/13. A Mini would not have been a diminished experience/purchase even with lesser features. This is a diminished experience even for what it would cost.
- danieldevries 2y ago300+ comments about a 'new' iPhone. Does it even fold? Lol
- Aloisius 2y ago167g. Lighter than the 16, but still far too heavy.
- karmakaze 2y agoSo glad it doesn't use the dynamic island which is so distracting as it becomes the foreground and makes the content into background.
- chongli 2y agoNow they don't have any phones with the old-style rounded bezel. The SE was the very last of them. I have a 12 mini and thing I really hate about it is the sharp, orthogonal bezel. It's very uncomfortable to hold for longer periods of time. I'm taking this as a sign from Apple that I use my phone too much and should probably stop.
- saagarjha 2y agoThe newer phones have rounded out the bezels a bit.
- ivanjermakov 2y ago> It's very uncomfortable to hold for longer periods of time Somehow I see using phone less as a benefit.
- philip1209 2y agoPerhaps I'll finally update my 13 mini. I've been holding out hope that Apple will release another small form factor phone, but this may be the closest they will get.
- massysett 2y agoI went from 13 mini to 16. I considered replacing the battery in the mini but a brand new 16 was so cheap with all the Verizon discounts and trade-in that it wasn’t worth putting a new battery in an old phone. The 16 at first felt freakishly huge after years of the 13 mini, but I’ve gotten used to it.
- philip1209 2y agoI was in a similar spot, but then I got a free battery replacement through Applecare [1], so I've stuck with it. [1] "Your product is eligible for a battery replacement at no additional cost if you have AppleCare+ and your product's battery holds less than 80% of its original capacity." https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement
- sprkv5 2y agoIs the iPhone "e" series going to be a yearly release now? Like the Pixel "a" series?
- huang_chung 2y agoWith disappearance of iPhone SE in United States you can no longer buy iPhone with physical SIM slot. But cross the border into Canada and you can buy exact same phone with the physical slot. This is a sad day and not progress in any meaningful way (social engineering away physical SIM, causing loss of flexibility when traveling).
- BuckRogers 2y agoThis might replace my 12 mini. But I'll probably use my phone until it's dead or out of support because this phone just works for me from a form factor perspective. It's unfortunate jumbotrons sell so well to the mindless masses that live on a phone. Otherwise the two main sizes would be the 5.42 and 6.3. Both reasonable for daily carry in a pocket. The 6.7 and 6.9" sizes are what are silly.
- amelius 2y agoArticle reads like an ad.
- testmasterflex 2y agoI don’t now why the hell people want anything larger than the mini in screen size.
- adamsb6 2y ago> iPhone 16e will be available in white and black in 128GB, 256GB, and 512GB storage capacities, starting at $599 (U.S.) or $24.95 (U.S.) per month for 24 months. Wait a sec. 24 * 24.95 = $598.80 They'll pay you twenty cents to take the financing?
- ZeWaka 2y agoMore subscribers/concurrent revenue on their balance sheet to show off, perhaps?
- positr0n 2y agoJust more purchases period. If I don't have $500 but I wouldn't think twice about a $25/mo bill I'd be forced to buy an Android if financing wasn't an option.
- positr0n 2y agoWhat can you pay with if you're doing financing? If they don't accept credit cards, they make way more than twenty cents back with reduced fees. If you finance on an Apple Card you don't get the 3% cash back (last time I looked). Unless interest rates drop to 0% they're obviously still losing money, but if you follow the logic of everywhere that allows BNPL[0] you make it up by having more purchases than you would otherwise. [0]: https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/buy-now-pay-later/ https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/buy-now-pay-later/
- kart23 2y agoread the fine print > The last month’s payment for each product will be the product’s purchase price, less all other payments at the monthly payment amount
- adamsb6 2y agoAha, 59900 % 24 = 20. Still interesting this is one of few products offering zero interest financing.
- einpoklum 2y agoWhy do other manufacturers who debut phones don't get HN posts, but Apple does? Xiaomi Poco X7 & X7 pro were released in Janunary, for example. Don't see a post about that.
- saagarjha 2y agoScale?
- einpoklum 2y agoNo, that's probably not it, the scale is relatively similar. Also, we get posts for tech innovations / releases on much lower scales.
- gorfian_robot 2y agobe the change you want in the world
- prawn 2y agoWhy didn't you submit a story about those devices?
- einpoklum 2y agoBecause I don't think _either_ phone launches merits an HN story.
- uni_baconcat 2y agoI guess if you can reply here, you can post here too.
- shipscode 2y agoIs bluetooth reliable yet or is this model going to be plagued with the same persistent issues since the iPhone 14?
- tbolt 2y ago> Is bluetooth reliable Will it ever be?
- shipscode 2y agoNot like a cable, but it's gotten really bad. I had constant drops on my iPhone 14 Pro. Eventually they shipped me a new one that had the same issue, but the recent software update fixed it almost 100%, like 1 drop/month instead of 10 daily. Then I bought an iPhone 16 Pro and it was even worse than my iPhone 14 Pro... so I returned it even though I wanted a new phone. It's gotta be affecting their bottom line.
- yapyap 2y agoits pretty obvious they give u the singular camera circle so u will still feel a need for the 16 or 16 pro if u can afford it
- trashface 2y agoToo bad they killed the SE. Guess I'm on my last (and first) iPhone
- FinnLobsien 2y agoThe e stands for electronic, marking a departure from traditional mechanical iPhones
- Nition 2y agoJust like the eMac, where we finally moved beyond the primitive mechanical relays used in the iMac G3.
- _kb 2y agoYou’re also forgetting the original leather bound MacBooks and the somewhat contentious introduction of reverse scroll, with calligraphy on both sides!
- Nition 2y agoContentious then, but I preferred those to the modern "natural scroll" where the papyrus falls apart.
- _kb 2y agoAh, of course. I misspoke on that name. I may be showing my age here but the gen 1 papyrus displays were horrid. The scribes constantly complained about it muddying their quills.
- beretguy 2y agoYeah, traditional iPhones that run on gasoline.
- loeg 2y agoIs this the new SE / Mini? Edit: Nope. What's different from the 16? Action button? 1 less GPU core? Same camera but no ultra wide? Ahhh, it's just a cheapened 16.
- zoom6628 2y agoAction button looks to me they finally realized how good the blackberry action button was. Only took 20 years. Can we have the optical pointer back as well so we don't have to jab all over the glass which is slow and imprecise?
- jghn 2y agoSadly yet another phablet
- hyperpl 2y agoI have a (regular) Pixel 8 and given that this is smaller and finally has USB-C I'm very tempted to try to jump to Apple again but I'm curious about the following: 1. Is there a terminal equivalent like termux? 2. Is there an open source wireguard client like the official wireguard client for Android? 3. Is it possible to upload mp4 videos to it to watch offline? 4. Is it possible to upload some of my mp3 collection to it to play offline? 5. I believe syncthing isn't officially supported. Are there any alternative syncthing implementations or workarounds?
- ghc 2y ago1. I mean, there's iSH to emulate an x86 linux environment, but it's not like you can get access to the iOS system through a terminal. Since I mainly use the terminal on my phone for SSH, I use Termius. 2. There's the official wireguard client 3. iOS has native mp4 support. You can play mp4s from files stored on the phone, or from gdrive or dropbox, etc. or just import to your photos/videos library. 4. Yes. 5. yes, the Möbius Sync app
- kstrauser 2y ago1. Not really. There are some good SSH clients that I'd recommend instead. 2. I use the official Wireguard client. 3. Yep. 4. Yep. 5. People grouse about it, but iCloud works brilliantly if you use it with other Apple gear. There are also the usual suspects like Box, Dropbox, GDrive, etc.
- gkanai 2y agofor 3 and 4 the native apps support those formats but you may be happier with VLC which is available for iOS as well.
- walthamstow 2y agoAs someone who recently switched from a Pixel 5 to an iPhone 15 Pro (bought purely for the camera as I'm travelling around Japan at the moment), I hate it. I'm going straight back to Android when I get back to the UK. I plugged it into my MBP expecting to be able to copy media over, but you can only copy it into the sandboxed filesystem of one app. So choose wisely. Downloading media using Plex etc sucks. As soon as the phone locks or you move to another app, it stops. On Pixel, I could queue up a load of downloads or SMB transfers, lock my phone on the side and expect them to be complete when I come back. As for a terminal or using it like a computer, fuhgeddaboutit. If anything I've said is wrong, please correct me. I want to like this phone, the camera is out of this world.
- b212 2y agoGreat, another phone for giants. I’ll keep replacing battery in my 13 Mini, hoping for the best…
- microflash 2y agoKinda disappointing on all three fronts I was hoping there could be some improvement: size, weight, price. With medical conditions affecting my muscle strength, I wish phones would get a bit lighter. Glass sandwich form factor is unnecessarily heavy and fatigues my arms.
- pndjk 2y agoAm I the only one who absolutely detests the notch? To me, it seems like a design flaw and it looks just plain awful. I think we'll look back in the future at how stupid these phones look now. The day this new one came out, I went and bought a brand new SE. I'll keep it in the box until my current SE dies and then I will swap it out for a (new) old SE.
- wuming2 2y agoStill happy with my iPhone 7. Replaced display and battery, at an Apple Store, last year. Gaming, AI and photography are curiosities I look at from afar. For the rest it drives me around on vacation via CarPlay and Apple Maps. Handles my home banking, pre paid card and Apple Pay without a hitch. Chatting and calling on too many apps. Manages my digital IDs, medical records, emails, notes and calendar. Translates my conversations and runs Automations. It will soon help me charge an electric car. What more can I expect from it.
- wc304 2y agoSame but 7+, it’s great. Battery got replaced every 42 months at 80%, and the only inconvenience for me with it is it doesn’t support iOS16/17+ apps and features like Grok, Tesla’s auto trunk open, and Garmin’s fitness app. I’m curious what shortcut/automations do you use? And I’m wondering in general how X’s Grok feature is any different functionally from their standalone iOS17+ app.
- brailsafe 2y agoI've never had even the slightest bit of interest in owning an iPhone, but if this is the testing ground for their new modem, I'm excited to see it come to the mac in the next few years.
- orloffm 2y agoI had hopes for this to have an LCD screen, but alas. I will order a few iPhone SE today if it's still possible to find them.
- znpy 2y agoSeems nobody's mentioning that this model drops the sim slot completely. It's a bummer, because it means that in case of need (broken phone) i cannot buy any new phone, drop my sim in and go. It's a HUGE step back.
- FabHK 2y agoEntry level 16e - one lens. Mid-tier 16 - two lenses. Top-tier 16 Pro - three lenses. The segmentation is very visible.
- joshstrange 2y ago> and the new Apple C1, the first cellular modem designed by Apple This is the biggest announcement IMHO, it's been a long time coming for them to ship something after buying the patents from Intel. It makes sense to ship the first new radio in "not your flagship" and a good way to test it out. I wonder if the iPhone 17 will have it or if they will wait another year to see how it does. I would imagine the 17 is pretty much locked down as of now so it's not like this phone is meant to test in the wild then use the tech in 17 since there isn't enough turnaround time.
- dcchambers 2y agoHave to wonder if the price would have been $499 if the tariffs/constant thread of tariffs over the next 4+ years wasn't there.